New Dimensions; World Future Society; Part 3

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Your own company is involved in producing and making <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>a link between your productive capacities and a natural inherent tendency of planetary <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>not just need, but growth would be the a philosophical <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>context for profit making to both serve its <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>own interests and serve the needs of the larger body. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Now this gets me into one of the more controversial thoughts that I have. <v Larry Guice>Before we get into that idea, we've got to do a station ID here. <v Larry Guice>So we should say,. <v Michael Toms>This is [Larry Guice: go ahead] KQED in San Francisco. <v Michael Toms>And you're listening to New Dimensions. Continue Barbara. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Is much of the first wave <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>of futurism alerted us to the limits to growth, and <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>quite rightly so. The Club of Rome and others pointed out, if we continue to pollute, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>populate, industrialize, we will have mass catastrophe <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>by the year 2050 or whatever. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>They had a model of an earth only scenario. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And in a finite system, what they say is obviously true.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>However, we're not in a finite system. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>We're in an open system. And I once met Aurelio Peccei in Bucharest in 1972. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>He's the head of the Club of Rome. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And he was the most sought after futurist and most brilliant book, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Limits to Growth. And I went up to him and I said, 'Dr. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Peccei, have you considered the resources available to humanity in outer <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>space?' And he said, Madam, we have examined the universe and find it to be irrelevant. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I'll never forget that remark. And I said, 'Dr. Peccei, that's impossible. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>The Club of Rome has not gone that far. And no one can say that,' and then he said, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>'we've already used up too much of the resources of the earth to get the foothold in <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>space. And therefore, even if it were true that those resources, resources are there, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>we don't have sufficient capital to make that kind of investment. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Therefore, it doesn't even matter if they're there.' So I <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>said I began a real deep study of the potentials of <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>our next level of environment. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And there's a great thinker called Kraft Ehricke who points out that humanity is about to

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>build the András sphere, which he says is the human sphere. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>The biosphere was built by the organisms that came before us. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Our relation to the biosphere is to maintain, conserve and preserve it. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>But that cannot be the full function of the human with the big brain is to simply <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>preserve the creation of the past -cannot be and it isn't. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Our other task is to create a new environmental niche altogether. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>That opportunity for growth. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>We are just at the threshold of most social thinkers are pre-Copernican. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>They're badly off as the clergy at the time of Galileo. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>They think it's a one planet solution. It isn't. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>The earth and space are indivisible. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Now, as we begin to recognize that it was our space shuttle goes up in 1979. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I think if it all goes well in 1980, we will start space industrialization <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>in the mid 80s. We will begin to establish a lunar base if we <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>choose to. By mid 90s and by the year 2000 could begin to develop

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>independent human communities in space, which would be producing for earth <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and eventually independent of earth. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Now, as far as business goes, that seems like it would be real <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>far out to even discuss that relationship to ordinary business. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>But many friends of mine now are beginning to see that if they are growth <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>oriented, they can't continue to survive in a limited system. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And growth is a bad word in a finite system. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So even though they can't quite see the leap from where they are now to the fact of us <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>being a solar ecology and a solar species, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>they are beginning to try to do some long range thinking as to how they could help <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>open that up. And this is a very tricky thing. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Let's assume we do have a new universal environment that we're mature enough to take <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>advantage of now. How are we going to do that? <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Is it going to be by government centralized systems? <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Is it going to be by free enterprise systems which could be exploited?

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Or is it going to be a new social innovation? <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I think it should be a new social innovation with citizen participation <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>as much free enterprise as possible, with some government regulation, but not too much. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So the business of business is to produce <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>goods and services that are for the good of the whole. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>They are going to start moving into a tremendous task of the development of <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>building a new environment. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>The amount of wealth that will be generated through building a new environment and <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>gaining access 24 hour a day, free solar energy and asteroids and <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>so forth is astronomical. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>We're on the verge of astro culture and the industrial future <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>is so great as to be mind-boggling again. <v Michael Toms>Let me play the devil's advocate for a moment and say that I agree with on the <v Michael Toms>entrepreneurial score. I think that the future of of what you're talking about lies <v Michael Toms>in individuals taking steps to make changes in whatever environment

<v Michael Toms>they're operating in. We're calling business, we're calling it people, smaller groups who <v Michael Toms>are moving. <v Michael Toms>At the same time, here are the larger corporations, which I've noticed, where the <v Michael Toms>entrepreneurial spirit is totally dead. <v Michael Toms>It's no longer there because there's just become this institution that kind of moves of <v Michael Toms>its own momentum. I have trouble seeing General Mills or General <v Michael Toms>Motors and AT&T realizing that they can do a turnaround <v Michael Toms>and totally change their direction say from oil to <v Michael Toms>solar or whatever, saying, you know, it's like you hear- you hear these large companies <v Michael Toms>saying, well, we can't really get economical solar energy until the year 2000. <v Michael Toms>You know that that's not just simply not true. <v Michael Toms>We can put a man on the moon in less than 10 years when the technology didn't even exist. <v Michael Toms>We can certainly create economical solar energy if that's a priority. <v Michael Toms>So we're really talking about is redirecting our priorities. <v Michael Toms>That's what you're talking about. <v Michael Toms>I want to go back to how does that large institution redirect

<v Michael Toms>its priorities without totally dying and starting a new one? <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I think the answer to that is certainly very complex and I don't have the full knowledge <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>of it. But the the big institutions are going to die if they don't do it, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>because you can't go on producing more and more automobiles, more and more <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>refrigerators, more and more highways. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>If they can't, anyone - anyone other than those you can't transform will die. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>There's an evolutionary law in there and they're already feeling that. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So but here is a very fascinating thing, Michael. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>The people who have the motivation to do these new things are not, as you say, the heads <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>of corporations. They are bureaucrats in general. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And I have called this the principle of rising impotence. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I have found that the higher up anyone is in any given institution, the less likely they <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>are to be ready for transformation. It's an extension of the Peter principle. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Right. And the more likely they are to feel that their obligation and quite often they <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>think morally so is to maintain a system upon which many people depend. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So I don't look to the people at the tops of these places.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>At first I was disappointed because I was naive. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I thought institutions would want to transform. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>They don't. It's the people at different levels within them and slightly without them <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>that want to transform. And this is the discussion I've been having with a lot of people. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Let's say all that capacity exists. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>It's like the muscles of the baby. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Now, are we going to say that we would like to gain access to how to use <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>that muscle for the good? Or are we going to turn away from the muscle because it's too <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>dangerous? My inclination is to learn how to <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>gain access to the control of the muscles <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>that come in the back door, as it were, infiltrate the power system, not as a subversive, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>violent communist, for example, but we're talking about evolutionary <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>infiltration literally- you're talking about consciousness guerrillas. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And the thing about us is that we're not out to tear down the system <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>so much as to evolve it. Yes.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Now and in- in some really deep sense, it is to the best interests of the <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>system to evolve, because if it doesn't, it finds itself making <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>that which is destructive and eventually it will be cut out because of <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>that. So there will be within every big institution, there's no <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>no one that you don't go to that you won't find evolutionary radicals. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And I am a magnet for those radicals. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So part of the Evolutionary Management Association's plans <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>is to send me around to the big corporations in which I will just talk at lunch or <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>wherever they let me talk. And I will find in every one of them people like you and me. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And then by linking us up with each other, then our our task is not how <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>to destroy General Motors, but how do we evolve General Motors. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And there will be enough people in that body if connected up with other people who are <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>in Chrysler and other people who are in General Electric and other people who are at IBM, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>all of whom are attracted to a limited future. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So we're going to I think the most creative approach is to make

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>links of people and see if it can evolve. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>There is no guarantee of that. But the other alternative that people have is let's <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>dismantle these large giants. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Let's decentralize and let's go back to some state or forward to some more decentralized <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>state in which there is much less power altogether. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Now to my mind, that is a romantic illusion which- <v Michael Toms>Like moving to the country because it's gonna be okay out there. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>It's okay if you've had a lot, your affluence, so forth. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>But anyone who's grown up in the country. [laughter] Involuntary simplicity <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>is not, first of all, going to put up with that. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I mean, that is the very it only only affluent people choose that <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>at that level. Now, I think decentralization, self-organization and recycling <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>non-wastefulness is essential. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And that's part of the new ethic that we need to go into. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And it's completely part of the space ethis. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>How we take these centralized systems and transform them is to me the most creative <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>question now. And it's by becoming creative, entrepreneurial organizers

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>ourselves, but not necessarily just on a tiny scale somewhere. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>See, the reason I call my book The Hunger of Eve is I think that Eve, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>symbolizing human psyche, is heading for the tree of life. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And the tree of life is the knowledge of how the processes of creation work. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And if you remember in the story of Genesis, the Lord God Jehovah became very upset <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>because if they, the man, get to the tree, they'll have the powers of the gods, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>which means immortality, intelligence <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>of the whole universe, not being limited to the planet and so forth. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Well, we're gaining those powers. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And the question is, is it natural for us to become co-creators or not? <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>In a state of self-consciousness, it is not. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>In a state of holistic consciousness, it is. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So I want to make a point here, if I can, that in talking about <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>the transformation, we must think of the full range of capabilities which <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>are evolving concurrently.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>The one that is most discussed on this program is consciousness. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And we're assuming that there is the evolutionary capability of more holistic Christ <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>like Buddha, like consciousness, and that more and more of us will experience it as a <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>norm of relatedness and attunement. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Secondly, there is the space capacity. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>It's there. It's a resource the human race has inherited and we find we can do it. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Then take the capacity for community. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>We know that at certain times and places people achieve deep level empathetic community. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>If you think of that as a new norm and add to it holistic consciousness <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and the abundance that earth space will bring, you begin to see that maybe community can <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>really work synergistically. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Then add the whole biological revolution and the understanding of mind of body, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>both psychically to overcome disease and genetically to understand the way <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>the DNA works, perhaps to have longevity, life extension, new <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>bodies or new environments, then add extra terrestrial contact. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>The possibility that the human race as we mature, will contact as

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>a shared social experience, maybe through our mass media, which is our nervous <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>system. Other intelligence, then add the whole cybernetic revolution <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>where we will not have to do any more repetitive rote work that we don't choose to do, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>plus all the superhuman capacities and calculation and guidance. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>What you see here and all of these are coming online in the same 20 years, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>the finiteness and these new capacities now assume for a moment all of <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>them operating synergistically- consciousness, space, community <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>genetics, cybernetics and extraterrestrial contact. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Then you begin to see that the quantum transformation is going to so <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>change our existing patterns that you can't pick one segment and look at it in isolation <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>from the other. You see, if we had space colonization without a change in consciousness, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>it could be devastating. On the other hand, if we had a change in consciousness and <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>didn't develop a new environment, that could also be devastating. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>If we have bioengineering and can have longevity and are

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>limited to one planet, it would be deadly. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>But if we're going to do work in the cosmos, it may be absolutely natural to have, what <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Bucky Fuller calls, a continuous human. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So in long range planning. Think of all the capacities. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Think of the fact that we are an earth based species. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Think of the fact that all of these are happening at the same time and imagine them <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>working harmoniously. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>We've gotten to get an image of optimal wellness personally. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Let's get an image of optimum wellness in a planetary sense. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Then we can begin to see how to make it all work. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>[. <v Speaker>[Song: Starwheel by Bruce Cockburn] <v Michael Toms>We're going to be continuing our conversation with Barbara Marx Hubbard in just a few

<v Michael Toms>minutes. But while we're kind of here with Ben Jealous <v Michael Toms>playing in the background from an album called Between Heaven and Hell, <v Michael Toms>I want to tell you about a very special event that's coming up <v Michael Toms>in the near future. <v Michael Toms>It's going to happen on May the 12th. That's a Saturday. <v Michael Toms>And it's called Three Jewels in the Lotus II. <v Michael Toms>That's Roman Numeral 2, because that was a three jewels in the Lotus One, which I'm sure <v Michael Toms>many of you out there familiar with and even experienced. <v Michael Toms>The one that we're doing coming up on May the 12th is <v Michael Toms>going to feature a day with Stuart Emery. <v Michael Toms>The co-founder of Actualisation is Barbara Marx Hubbard, <v Michael Toms>who we're having a conversation with right now, and Patricia Sund. <v Michael Toms>It's an all day program. It will begin at 9:00 and end at 5:00. <v Michael Toms>It's going to be happening at Masonic Auditorium here in San Francisco.

<v Michael Toms>And tickets are available. And the proceeds from this event go to support New Dimensions <v Michael Toms>radio. The kind of conversation that we're having right now with Barbara <v Michael Toms>is the kind of radio, the kind of media that you can support by supporting this event. <v Michael Toms>Tickets are $15 and you can obtain them directly from New Dimensions <v Michael Toms>Foundation by sending a self-addressed stamped on <v Michael Toms>the globe with your requests for whatever number of tickets you'd like <v Michael Toms>to new Dimensions Foundation. 267 State <v Michael Toms>Street. San Francisco, California. <v Michael Toms>94114. <v Michael Toms>That's New Dimensions, 267 State Street. <v Michael Toms>San Francisco 94114. <v Michael Toms>And be certain to include a stamped self-addressed envelop because it makes it a lot <v Michael Toms>easier to get the tickets back to you. <v Michael Toms>Tickets are reserved. We will have reserved seating. <v Michael Toms>So it's first come, first serve.

<v Michael Toms>Although it's difficult to get a bad seat in the Masonic Auditorium if you've been there, <v Michael Toms>you know that. But do get your ticket requests in early, because we do expect and <v Michael Toms>anticipate a sellout just like we had the first time. <v Michael Toms>Also, I want to tell you, too, that the following weekend, that's May 19th and 20th. <v Michael Toms>We'll be doing a special presentation weekend with Barbara Marx Hubbard presenting <v Michael Toms>her- her theater for the future. <v Michael Toms>And you perhaps don't want to miss that either. <v Michael Toms>And if you'd like information about that weekend, you can write to the same address or <v Michael Toms>you can give us a call. Our phone number is 6211126 <v Michael Toms>during normal business hours. <v Michael Toms>Looking forward to seeing you at Three Jewels in the Lotus II on Saturday, May 12th. <v Michael Toms>One of the things on our listeners might want to know is how you become a part of the

<v Michael Toms>Evolutionary Management Association. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Well, I will give you my address because we <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>don't yet have a headquarters. A lot of these soft organizations. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>But in Washington, D.C., you could write to me 2325, Porter <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Street NW Washington, DC to <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>triple 0 8. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And you will be welcome to join us. It's absolutely new and it's particularly <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>for people who are wanting to make decisions and needing a <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>support network and discussion of this kind. <v Michael Toms>Great. Barbara, I just told our listeners about the upcoming three Jules Lotus <v Michael Toms>event that's going to be happening on May 12th. <v Michael Toms>And I also told them that we're going to be sponsoring the weekend with you, that <v Michael Toms>following weekend on the 19th and 20th, where you present your Theater of the Future <v Michael Toms>and perhaps you can just briefly describe what that is. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Yes. I'm so excited about doing it in this context, Michael. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>On Friday evening, May 18th.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>We'll do the theater, which is a one hour multimedia narration of the story of creation <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>with a projection into the future of what it will be like when everything works. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And it's got original art and music is quite beautiful. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Then on Saturday and Sunday, we're going to explore several things. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>One, as I told you, I believe that we have an intuition of the future, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>all of us. And we're going to do a session, first of all, where we have some real <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>experts telling us these new capacities in cybernetics, in consciousness, in <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>space, in community. The people who have seen seen the potentials <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and quite rational in a left brain type expert <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>presentation for about an hour. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Then I've learned from Bill Harmon that there is a cell <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>called the imaginal cell in the metamorphosis from Caterpillar to butterfly that <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>holds the picture, the coded information of the butterfly at the time metamorphosis <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and actually uses the caterpillar material to build a butterfly.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>All right. So in this weekend, after we've heard our new capacities, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>people are going to volunteer to play the imaginal cell and then we will break <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>up into small groups and people are going to be asked to know to see if they've ever <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>experienced what it would be like when these capacities are working in consciousness, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>community, not dying, being in space. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And then to get some kind of flashforward picture of ourselves operating <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>at the next level and share it in improvisation. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And what I've done this twice, once in Atlanta, once in Los Angeles. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And people begin to say, yes, I thought that. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Yes, I know. Yes, yes, yes. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And something strange comes over. It's a kind of harmony because we are all as <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>little children in relationship to our own future. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And I think is the mine. We shall all become as little children - Yes- we become <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>as little children in awe of what we can become. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>We're all children in relationship to our future.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And the people start sharing in improvisations. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And it's very, very interesting because what everyone thinks they think all by <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>themselves, they find actually is a shared human consciousness. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Then in the afternoon, we're going to take those more specific new capacities <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and have people meet with the resource people who know these capacities and look <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>at the ethical political implications of being able to do these things <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and come up with what is really a beginning of the real new politics, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>which is not simply getting over all our problems, but leaving ourselves to work what <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>we want to create. Becoming proactive rather than reactive. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And the groups will begin to look at the ethical political <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>guidelines in policy based on the real <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>shared capacities of the human race. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And then so you will have a discussion in bioengineering, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>in cybernetics, in consciousness, in community, in extraterrestrial development, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>in dolphin and extraterrestrial consciousness research like Allen Hynek.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And then most will try to imagine what it will really be like if all those <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>capacities operated synergistically. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And what kind of decision should we make to get there that will be done in the weekend <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and then we'll have a session on what people will also try to bring in decision makers <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>in government, in business and education to share with <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>the intuitive mind, the scientific mind as to how society <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>can evolve. Now what? <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And in San Francisco, it's the most wonderful place to test this out, because there's so <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>many people who have developed the intuitive capacity. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>There are a lot of good scientists in the California area that we can bring in who know <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>these specifics. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And then we'll get as much power structure there as wants to be there. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Plus, of course, citizens who are interested, and I think <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>that that will be a little model of a social function <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>that-. <v Michael Toms>You will launch the spaceship on Monday. [laughter] <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>We'll discover what- some more about a proactive

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>social futurist movement. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I feel, Michael, that my my purpose at this stage is to help <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>the proactive futures movement become real <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and a service and not just a lot of far out people with isolated ideas. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I think that by 1984 in speaking of America, <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>that we should have a proactive, future oriented political <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>campaign. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>It might be in both parties. For all I know, it might be a new party. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I'm not speaking now in ordinary political terms where we can. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>People can examine their capacities and in a participatory using a lot <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>of citizen participation techniques which have developed quite strongly. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>I know John Vasconcellos and others in California have developed it to let people look at <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>their problems in the light of these capacities and begin to- to set out some new <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>guidelines for our political system. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Act 3 this weekend will be

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>a- one place in which we can begin to get that act together. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And I'm going to go around the country and do it. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And then I've talked to some people out here about planning a national event after <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>doing it in different regions. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And Act 3 means to me the present. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>In the Theater for the Future, Act 1 is the 15 billion years of the past. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Act 2 in the theater is the future. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Act 3 is getting ourselves together now to see how to build the future. <v Michael Toms>It's almost like sometimes you feel that. <v Michael Toms>I know I've had this experience a number of times that you're ready to make a decision <v Michael Toms>and you know that somehow the answer has already been achieved <v Michael Toms>or attained. And it's like the secret is tuning yourself in to <v Michael Toms>realize it or finding the answer which already is there. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Exactly. I have that feeling so much. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And that's why this is not a kind of hubris. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>You know, here we are, semi-gods and we can do whatever we want in the universe.

<v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Not at all. The feeling I have as we gain in creativity <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>is that we are more and more required to seek out the pattern <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and only that truth of the discovery of a preexisting matrix <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>towards holism, which is deeply moral in the real sense of the word moral <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>means concern for the whole. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Only through the discovery of that matrix will we have the the <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>ability to use the power. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>So I have become extremely humble in <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>the sense that what the human race is doing is discovering a pattern <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>and then co-creating with it. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>It isn't to say that we're just passive in relationship to the pattern. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>Our energy is required, but it's an energy that isomorphic with the pattern. <v Barbara Marx Hubbard>And if we get too far off from that pattern, the evolutionary process will select-