Penitentiary of New Mexico Riot; 11; Historic Film Collection, Video 0011

Can we bring the camera here so it doesn't freeze? This is an agreement between Felix Rodriguez, Directive Corrections, Mabel Montoya, Depp Rewarden, Penitentiary in Mexico. On this date, we have met inmates Lonnie Durand and Kedrick Durand. The Penitentiary will not abide by any retribution on the staff's part and the use of firepower or physical force on any of the inmates. Administrative and disciplinary segregation policies must be clearly defined to the inmates and the staff. We further agree that the mediation team will meet with representatives of the news media which is you guys. In South Block 3, there will be no double-selling, double-bunking, unless emergency access. Immediately upon signing this agreement, the inmates will negotiate their fellow inmates

and present the other inmates' points of view and administration with further fire hoses to be brought into an institution. They will be handled by inmates to put out the fires. All four parties, and instead above, realize the living quarters will be important so the inmates are in good faith. In good faith, effort will start putting on the fires. And it's signed here by Mr. Felix Rodriguez and Mr. Bob Montoya, myself, and Kedrick Durand. I knew that, but it's okay. Good to take it with you. Lonnie, you served the president of the Penitentiary has agreed not to abide by... Let me raise that up.

You're hard to come up. Hands good. Come on. Come on. Can I? Have a little bit. Look at that. I just matured with air. I looked over there, and I brought in some donuts early, and I figured it's Felix Aedom. Did you have anything to eat? No. Well, they have a rip of Lonnie, and all that stuff. Get ready for that. No, there's a bag of donuts. Oh, do you want a cup of donuts, right? Far out. No, no. I hope that's a Felix has eaten him. I don't want to... I could say I look back there. Oh, I wanted one. See if they got a little bag there, huh? Say you say one. Ooh. Oh, I was doing it again, man.

Thank you, Felix. I'm not eating those. I'll take one of them again. All right. Practice. Thank you. I told the guys last time we'd be back in the camera. They were going to make sure they knew I could do it. Thank you. Should they want to do these? I'll keep the camera. They're going to get that statement. We'll just stay here and wait. Just take the way it is. But I wanted to make sure they knew I kept my word on it, because they gave me their word for it. When they talked about Lieutenant and I are coming out, because I told him, I said, man, if he comes out, we get an I out. You know, I think that would really help. And they did. And they kept their word to me, and I said he comes out. I'll go in. The whole trip was behind this. It wasn't an escape. It was just a trip to Sheldon's Dushin, that we were not on the evil grounds. They were treating us like little children in the whole world,

growing up in reality. In other words, we're just tired of all this harassment. A harassment, harassment. I'm missing out that they harassed everybody. It's just a select field. You know that they're just getting down, down, getting down, like this is my second time here. Okay, when I was here the first time, I was harassed and harassed. And I finally made it pull and got out of here. And now that I came back, I tried to do the best I could. But no, they wouldn't let me. They have to knock me off, knock me off, or move shit that I had. Nothing. I wouldn't even go, we just keep away from them. For they won't see me. Still, they got me and you. Felix told me last night, when I talked to the guys, you know, he said, look, he said, you have to see when we come out. That's it. We'll, uh, got some copy or something. I thought Felix would put that to him. No, he told me to come back in, so he got statements like this. And I told him, he said, we'll give it to you. And we'll run it, make it available just as you want it.

So, another thing they've, uh, they've been brought up is, uh, they're trying to people, leave people in permanent segregation as a program. But, uh, there's no college program in there, no good time program in there, and there's no program in there, but bunk. That's all. You know, that's all. So, uh, it doesn't seem right. I can see it if you commit a crime, tie the institution, or let's go pay for it, but when you can get picked up for nothing without a report, well, then it's kind of hard for you to understand. You know, it keeps you nimble, or, you know, like, uh, two or three weeks, you know, what's happening, and all of a sudden they come and say, well, you're turned loose, you know, but, uh, I don't think that's fair at all, you know. If they got some money, let's, let's go do it and get it over with, you know, but all this stuff about investigation, and all this stuff just doesn't hit the spot. What's wrong with this penitentiary? I'll be truthful, you know, is there is too many Indians and none of cheese. Not enough Indians. Well, all right.

Too many cheese and none of Indians, but I mean, uh-uh. Each captain has their own set of rules. At one time it was run by one captain and it ran smooth. Under, under the smooth vision of Mr. Rodriguez, Mr. Rodriguez, when he was a foreman, this penitentiary ran smooth. There was, there was, uh, beatings that, there was none of the exosaramies and all that, performing forced on, uh, on, on different inmates. You know, it was a great task to us, when we asked Mr. Felix Rodriguez, you know, by all means, I know he won't take a demotent pay, but, you know, what that, we need somebody with Mr. Rodriguez caliber to run this penitentiary. Well, you know, I took, with Felix, when he said, you're giving me my word, and I told him that you, you know, you guys want, and keep that camera just, you're mounted up in here, and you've got guys who want to speak, you know, come out, I think they trust me, and I think they trust Felix, and we're taking it. I think, I think, pretty much,

that the three people involved here have the same feelings as the most, as the most institution, because all of them have been through it. And everybody's been griping about the same thing, and maybe if we can get it cleared up, and it will be a lot better for all the institutions. I think John had a question. John? How much of the penitentiary can they say by putting up the fight? It's, uh, it's a, it's a, it's a total disaster. Let's put it that way. It's a total disaster, because the water leakage, water, the main water valve is, uh, has burst, and, uh, there's water in every tier, except on the, on the higher tiers, but there's water everywhere. You got to walk through, through water. I know, on the way out right now, there's a man in between the two grills of the control center. I believe he's dead. The last time he was dead, it's an image. There. Do you know who that is?

I don't know. He can, he can tell by blood all over his face. But I know a personal friend of mine that died of, uh, smoke inhalation, trying to get back to get another guy out. That is, uh, thanks to you. Thanks to the deal. He, uh, he tried to go back and get somebody out of, uh, smoke inhalation. And, uh, he's dead now. And, uh, they still haven't as, uh, right now taking them out. And, uh, I'm going to ask Mr. Felix, uh, I'm pretty sure he'll give me a permission to get, uh, nine stretchers, or maybe nine stretches, we'll have to make a double, a double take on it, because there's about 18 who are dead. I presume. Yeah. But 18 inmates are dead. And, uh, and the hostages are, are doing fairly well, as far, I go every, every 10 minutes, very 15 minutes to go check on them. I, I don't run nothing in this penitenti, I'm just doing my time, but yet, because, uh, I have got college education, the guys want me to be, be, be mediator fun. And, uh, the reason for, for the thing that's coming here,

is because we've been here a while, and we seem to change, they come down, and, uh, it's not that we're, some modern, ordinary, ordinary, just that not too many people like to come and talk to, to the man, or anything, see. But if somebody don't come and do it, then it's got to be, it's going to just revert to more killing, and I think there's been enough of this. And, uh, my personally, myself, I don't want to see no more killings, and, uh, I'd like to, uh, just get all this taken care of, as soon as possible, the easiest way possible, without no more writing. Mr. Rodriguez, uh, say I got a mediation hearing once a month from Mr. Rodriguez. Mr. Rodriguez, uh, uh, uh, proposed this, uh, in our mediation hearing, but at the, at the department, uh, uh, directions, at the time didn't go along with it. Which, under Mr. Rodriguez's rule, they had school release, uh, uh, work release, rehabilitative courses. This is what, uh, the penitentiary lacks, is rehabilitative courses. Right now, they've got, uh,

uh, six months' waitiness to see a psychiatrist. And there's, uh, guys in there that are walking around like zombies. They've got them up in Thorazine, or whatever it is. The walking like zombies that really, actually don't belong in a penitentiary. They belong in a mental institution. What I'm saying is, uh, to, he, uh, he kind of hurts me because, of this renovation that's gone on, it's, it's gone to the birds now because of, of, of, of, of, of, uh, what has, what's happened? You know, there's, need, need, need high foot water all over the place. Yeah, well, that's what's one of this, with the firewood. I asked the, what's the name last night? Yeah. Whether or not, I said, how come you appear so wet? Yeah. Let me ask you, I asked Felix, and he gave me his word last night when I talked to the guys. And you guys, uh, the film we have here, we're going to take down, and make it available, not just for the channel five, but it's going to be available for all the networks.

And Felix said, so we're going to take it. Anyone who wants to use it, can use it. And I will say again, if you want to, any further negotiations if you want, we'll keep the camera here. I know the rest of these guys are, that we'll keep it here, and they want to get out. And the same thing will happen. So the three TV, the old stations will have available. They'll make copies. They can all take it. As long as that's with you guys, those guys, whereas you're, as long as it's known, that we are not the ring-meters. We are not the ring-meters. I am not a ring-meter. I am here for the fact that, the three of us were in self-blocked feet, and we were brought out. Wherever it started, I don't know where, or who started it. Just say it that way, because we're not cutting, and channel five, we're not cutting it. So you know that. When you say it, that's where it's going to be. You're like, you're brought out by other inmates. By other inmates, that's three. The three of us were all in, in secret, in secret, in self-blocked feet. I still have my, my self-regulation. You know what I'm saying? Let's go have my, security unit. My cover off here, from the door. What were you all doing?

You guys on the upper tier? You know, I was in the basement. He was in the basement. I was on the, on the north side, bottom tier, and he was on the south side. But he used to be the death roll? Yes. Well, that's where I was at. You know, see a lot of times, you can get around with it. Like, if you've been doing time, and something like that comes down, well, it's just automatically that, yeah, it's something to do, you know, either pull water or something like that. See, we don't, well, there might be a rumor that they found mercy. You gotta watch out for your own interest. Even though you try not to get as deep or as deep at all, you try to do what you're possible. You know, it's just like, sometimes you want to, you don't want to hook somebody, see, you turn the other cheek and he's still hooked, you see. So what are you going to do? The guys are,

most of the guys feel the same way about Felix's weight. Yeah. And the first time, I'm feeling all, I love him. I'm expecting him here. I believe I got Felix, well, the biggest word and Mr. Mato has word for it, or no retribution, or whatsoever. And I'm going to get it to him. He also told me that assuming they can, you know, get the hostages out and everything, then we can come back in and make sure and do a follow-up to make sure and talk to the same guys, to cheer again. And I'm talking about today, we'll be here as long as you guys want us to, but do we can come back in in a week or two weeks and check with you again to make sure that the promises have been carried out? We're on cell block three, at least we were. I know. We were fast asleep and we heard this noise and all that. They opened our doors, they told us, either you come out and join in or, you know, what's going to happen. We're just following our interest, you know. Like, there's no way that we could have kept ourselves in the cell,

because they have cutting torches, as you'll see, once we get inside, a lot of the cell bars are cut, that they can open the doors, they're cut, and they talk to the rest of the money. Do you think you can get the other end makes to agree to this? To agree to what? To agree to what? To the agreement. They can agree. They said that, I presented them with agreement and they said that they do not want, especially this part. The thing, that, uh, that the firepower and physical power has retaliation towards, uh, towards the inmates of the penitentiary for the accomplices, what they have accomplished is, as far as killing. It was, it was like a rampage, everybody was just killing one another. That's what, uh, kind of, the chances are, there are some more of the hostages that come out when, you know, you go back, when you go back after this.

They said that they didn't want, they didn't want, uh, release the hostages now, unless we got to talk to, uh, to the news media, and, and, and, and, and Dr, uh, Dr. Keane, who's Dr. Keane? Is there any way possible that we can get, uh, a lawyer in here? Make this all little light. That way, if, uh, something comes down, I'm not saying that, uh, maybe you'll go back on your work because I doubt it, or Mr. Montoya, or anything, but it always looks better and black and white, but we can say, well, you look at here, this is what they gave us. It's not just hearsay, you know what I mean? And, uh, if you could arrange something like that. Okay, anyway, let me ask you this. If we do this, uh, we're still talking about the relief of the hot speeches. Once I've agreement this made, etc, whatever we negotiate at that time, then you guys would release hot speeches. Good.

I'll do my, I'll do my damnedest, so I haven't released, but, uh, like once, once we release all the hot speeches, then we'll have no play, besides your word. That's right. And touch the fact that we're here. We're here, and we heard him, and he hasn't gone back in his word with me yet. Well, we hear the last time that, uh, the man were marched in, in, in strip, in the hands over the head, and everybody just hit him with belly clubs and all. All right. Well, that's what happened the last time, and that's, that's the kind of retaliation that these inmates don't want. She does the kind of thing we don't know about it. Don't be like this. You know? Yeah. You know what I mean? You know what I mean? You know what I mean? I started my class here murder back to now. And see what I thought. rapidics we don't watch nothing like that. You know, they don't lock us up. Lock us up or whatever we want to do. It's starting over, nine strike. Later on... We can only stand together,

is there anything else we can do, is there anything that's still here? When we, uh, going out and keeping in touch, would... we can. You'd come here by the end I didn't eat long enough. Uh... We can stay out of here. You want us to stay here, so when you get back, the only thing we'll do is take the film, because then they want to file their stories. So we'll take it. And when they call us, we'll be here again. When you want to talk to us again, we'll be here again when you want to come back out. There's no medical staff in there now, because they don't want to go out. You come back? Why don't you call it three of us out, and that way we'll go more, of what's gone down inside the institution already. And that way we'll go running out. Because I trust Felix. Yeah. I trust Bobby. We'll just let him know when... They didn't come far. We're just going to take... I'm going to take the tape, send it down, and he's got to call it, and they got to file it. So it's nothing more, it will take us more than 15, and we'll be here. In other words, the camera's staying here. So there's no scratch. Inside the medical attention right now. There's a...

There's a... There's about 15 dead people. There's about 15 dead, and there's about six injured that need sutures on their face. And I mean, they're really bashed in pretty bad, and they've soaked through two towels already. One guy I know of, and he said, I said, you need stitches on that, man. You better go to hospital, and he says, I can't go. They'll shoot me. He's lost a lot of blood. Yeah? Yeah. And there's... Right now, what we're sitting here, there's probably killing going on now. But we'll be here. Well, you bet. They just take them out. Indeed. Huh? We are staying today, until you guys want to come out again and talk, and give us an update. John, I'll be holding you. Okay, I'm going to go in. I'm going to go in. Yeah. Wrap to all the people. Patrick? No, I'm not. Vincent, I'm sorry, Patrick. I'm 26. We're going to go in, wrap to all the people, and see what they feel. And when we get an ultimate,

we're going to come back out and say, well, good luck. You asked the guys I talked to last night, that we said we'd be back. That's when I went in. I said, you can't do that. I'll get a word with Mr. Rodriguez, and see if I can get approval, if I can get some guys that get them dead people out of there. And you and I, guys from here, to get them dead people out of here. I want inmates to get the people out of here. Why don't Felix is coming back, so we're just asking them. You're through with your... You want to talk? Yeah, you want the strangers to get the dead people out of here. The dead people. Yeah. And the hurt people? Yeah. And then... Hold on a second. Felix? Felix? Felix? Yes. Yeah, I need you out of here. Lani got something they want to ask you. And that's up. Great, man. Mr. Rodriguez, I want to know if it'd be available to get a one, two, three, four, five, six... Well, see, we got 15 dead people. I want to pull them out of there, man. Okay. If they're still being...

They got some pulse, we can be able to help them. Okay. They need your help. Yeah. Well, can at least have... If you can send a stretcher out here, we can take a minute and start loading them up. We've got all the stretchers you need. All right. And I need the keys to the gym. There's the keys at the gym, I don't know. Now, I can go this route to the gym, right? No, there's only one exit. Excuse me. What's happening? Yeah. Okay, okay. Awesome. Yeah. Have you ever felt like your life has been threatened? The last one. Well, sure, I've been, you know... And all I... Whatever you've been trying to do, is take you to the hostages. That was the one that was communicating back and forth from South Naxxigs for the hostages. They didn't even talk, trying to get them coffee, so whatever they needed, you know. You can confirm that with Larry Mendoza. I stayed talking to him for quite a while.

And, you know... Yeah, for sure. That are it. And our custody right now are mostly old-time guards and we know I'm pretty good. And they always try to do this. They treat it as right. And that's the reason they're getting treated right. I just got to know, saying that they're going to feed this in the Simon test for all the stations. And we'll be here. But Joe, we have to do this. Give it to SimonSell. All right. Let me go on this. All the stations at the same time. Not just one. OK. I believe the main problem in this pen is over the chronic conditions.

And I filed a class 81 suit and 77 on it. And I knew we were sitting on a time bomb. I knew eventually that it was going to blow up. And I was trying to prevent it through mediation. But mediation hasn't seemed to accomplish nothing. And the guys are just fed up with being harassed by the inmate guards. It seems that most of these guards don't have adequate facilities, adequate training. And me, as me being the spokesman for the inmates, I'd say that a new administration is indeed needed. Do you need me if I was having a question? From the deputy warden down. Anybody else have any questions? A lot of them. I'm sorry. I'm catching you see. You can trust me. We sure do. From the deputy warden down there. Yeah.

Deputy warden. What's wrong with it? This place is there's too many cheese, not enough indians. Each captain has his own rules. I feel he asked whether you want Jerry to stay his warden or do you want any new warden? Well, Jerry Griffin seems to be pretty lenient. As far as his job. I've come to realize that he's nothing but a headstone also. From what we want is that we want an administration where they could cope with us. All the inmate really wants is mutual respect. And we'll give him respect. But the respect that we're getting isn't adequate. Good deal. You know, that's all the inmate wants is mutual respect. You gave me a word. You gave him and you kept it. Thank you. Good luck. Can you bring up, find out just who's next. Okay? No problem. Yeah. This way. Okay. Hi. I like you again. I mean, this is John Roberts. Cool. Yeah.

You haven't met him, man. No further from the Associated Police. Good. You're a separate Q-man. Stand by. Yeah. If you want to bring anyone out, you can bring him around. But I want to keep talking to you. Okay? That doesn't bother me. Cool. Okay. Great. Okay. Well, what we'd really like to find out is what's going to happen to us right now. You know, after we release all the hostages and everything, if we're going to be retaliation, that's one thing. One of our questions. They're going to hurt us. Okay. If not, there's no way we can live in these units. What's going to happen to us then? Are they going to transfer us to county jails? Are they going to know? What's going to happen to us? Candelar, you're talking about, like, as soon as it's over, whether it be, whether it be, like, if it wraps up and say two hours, then you want to know exactly what the game plan is. Can I, Felix? Candelar is something you may have worked on. He's anxious to know what the game plan is. You want to come in?

Okay. Come on in a second. You still got. Remember. He wanted to ask about the game plan guy, okay? Keep the guys back for just a minute, okay? Can I get Felix? You want to ask about the game plan? We're just holding for a minute. Okay. Felix comes in for a second. He was answering Candelar's question. We'll get it on the tape. Candelar asked Felix. He wants to know what will happen is, like, what will happen immediately to make sure you don't there's no retaliation. Why do you get the hot to just out? People give up their weapons. Yeah. And they come out here and then we go in and assist the situation in there to see where we're going to house the rest of the people. And you have my word that nobody will be beaten up, shot at, or anything else. Okay. I wanted to ask you. There's not too many good living quarters left. Okay.

Okay. What's going to happen there if you don't have enough room to put out the people? Are you going to be transferred to county deals? Are you going to be just handcuffed out here, like, no, we will find proper housing. In fact, we're a contact at other states to see if we can house on an emergency measure. Okay. That sounds good to you. Can you pass it on to them? But can you bring someone else up to me and then pass on to what Felix said? Okay. Okay. You kept your word. Okay. Good luck. Yeah. Sure. Okay. I need about a minute to set up our camera again. Okay. Yes. You keep it right. Yeah. Mike Colby. And you haven't met you. Why don't you just shake hands for a moment. The Journal Bill Feather from the Associated Press. Yeah. John Gillis and John Robertson, who's within the Mexican. That's my cameraman who can't hear me. Thank you. They're from the German press. Yeah. That's the United Press. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And this is the TV thing here. They'll go out to all the TV stations. Let's get. No way, man. No way. He. Anything you say. I'm going. I'm going to go and edit it. Okay. Now we can go Mike. First. I made the promise that we would come in. I don't want to ask you a question later on. They may want to ask you if you don't want to answer it fine. But you've got a statement to make. Have any. Yeah. Well, I like to say about this institution that it's the administration in this institution has been here for over 20 years. And most of them, they're just a click. They call us click. They've got one of their own. They do anything they want concerning. Sell house three. And they. They just got us run. Okay. Dr. Mark Orner, who is the head of the psychological unit here in In a penitentiary has threatened myself. And Mr. Stevens there on several occasions. We were charged with escape two months ago from the penitentiary.

And it was because of him they have threatened our lives. They're going to continue to threaten our lives even after we leave this penitentiary. But one of our demands now is that the five of us. The five that you've talked to are in in jeopardy right now. No matter what they say, once you people leave and they go in there, they're going to beat us and beat us bad. You know, people may not believe that kind of shit goes on, but it does. I've seen it. I've had it done to me. I know. You know, I don't understand. You know, they think that what we've done here is wrong. This penitentiary is 20 years behind any joint in the United States. And I think that can be proven by records. So yeah, I think we've done something to write. Mike, thank you. Any of you have any questions of Mike? OK. I appreciate it. I'm Randy Mills. Good luck. Thank you. I need just one thing. Let me introduce you to you.

He's going to set the camera. This thing is going to all the TV stations. The Spruce Campbell. Albuquerque Journal. Bill Feather with the Associated Press. John Gillis, United Press International. John Robertson with the Santa Fe in the Mexican and one of the fellows won in the Mexican guy here. I made a promise to him last night that I bring back the cameras and the reporters. And I don't want to stop you from saying anything. What you say is going to them unedited. We don't work for the penitentiary people. We're here because I took the words of the guys last night and they haven't broken it to me yet. Have that. Have your name first. My name is William Jack Stevens. Yeah, and I was housed in segregation. About F T E P H or D P P H. Yes, sir. Okay. And I was housed in segregation. About four about three three and a half months ago for a tempted escape. And the reason the reason for that escape was. I was being threatened by inmate staff.

And Dr. Mark Orner for one particular. And people was bringing me this every day telling me that Mark Orner had some kind of grievance against us. And he was not going to allow us out of this penitentiary alive. And as of this minute, I'm doing a life's 15 year sentence with a life running wild. And I feel as long as I'm in this penitentiary, I'll never get out alive. All right. You have anything else to say? Well, yeah, sir. Go ahead. I would like to. I would like to talk to Mr. Rodriguez if I may. Felix. Felix, can I see you for a minute? Oh, he's talking to the other guy, sir. Could you give him your please? Sure can. Felix, can we see you for one minute? Yeah. Can you commit for one minute? Sure. Mr. Rodriguez has just told me that he would give myself, Mr. Stevens. And the three other gentlemen that you have talked to his word in writing that the five of us will be transferred out of this penitentiary by tomorrow.

Right. That's all right. I say it again. Let's get around to TV. Can you swing a camera? Can you get us? Do it again. Mr. Rodriguez, I have a shirt. Kobe Stevens. The Tudorans. And. And. Can Lauria. Can Lauria that they will be transferred out of state tomorrow. It's out of state. Right. To another institution. Right. That's five of us. That's five of us. Okay, you satisfy. But that just goes on camera because it's on the camera and it's in the paper. And you agree to give that to us in writing before we let the officers go. Right. And the other thing is these men upon that I will give them my agreement. I'll give it to any males upon you guys giving me the hostages and he can give you the paper. I'll bring the paper into you. We will get the hostages out here. And. The fact that. Also. Wait a minute. Also. That none of these other dudes here in this institution that have stayed behind will be hurt. No. No rest. No segregation.

No. I'm going to tell you right now. You can't put people on cell block three because there's no cell block three there. We're going to be looking at it. We're looking at other facilities for the people that are in here that we start getting the plates and shape. Fine. Okay. And I think one of the things you cannot expect to perform miracles. Another thing. It's going to take a little bit of time. Another thing. We don't want the hostages released until we're transferred tomorrow morning. No. It is nothing for people to say. Look. You guys are fucking over. Yeah. Yeah. We made an agreement this morning. Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Rodriguez. Look here. You had a man named Harmon Ellis come back from the state 10th century in in Arizona. Right. He went to court. He got a court order that as soon as his trial was completed. He would be transferred back to that back to Arizona. Yeah. Well, that man was here for this other escape. You guys didn't fulfill your bargain. Nobody sent him back.

I did not know about that. I did not know about that. Yeah. I talked to Ellis and. Okay. All these people. All these people back here are doing. Buku time. There's a 90% of them are flat time sentences and they cannot go with every other day. In the last week, they've had 15 people bring in the segregation on investigation. No reports without no reports. It's come to their house say, yeah, you're investigation and lock you up. And some of them has been in there for four months and don't even know why they're there. No. All of that. There's people. Yeah. They've come from court with a life sentence, 150 years of living. We're making apples and we're going to take one step at a time. Okay. Let's go. Because I told them one thing. I said a few things. We're going to stay here. Like I'm talking to you three. We want to get around the table. We're getting our sound. Okay. Good. They come from court directly to South Blanc three without no kind of disciplinary reports here in the institution.

They're kept there six, nine months just because they have a life sentence. How much time they have. There's no reason why they should be kept there. They don't give them no reasons. They don't suddenly just let them out of the population. I think it's probably come in. You're right. I don't want to give you a name before we just talk for a minute. My name is Rudy Alass. How do you spell that, Rudy? A-L-D-A-Z. Last name. A-L-D-A-Z. Rudy. Rudy. Are you D-Y? Do you have anything else? Yeah. Good. Another thing. Another thing. All of us five are doing enough time. We're not going to leave this institution for the next five or ten years. You're not going to leave an institution. This institution. I am never leaving an institution for the rest of my life. I'm assuming that he talked about being transferred out of state. You mean, yeah. I'll go out of state to where a motherfucker can do time. Comfortable.

Like a human being. Like a human being. I'm never getting out. Could you guys hold here for a second? Can we do it? Yeah, man. Can you just make sure, bring back the same five, okay? That's cool. I need one thing. When you come back, I need about just about two minutes to set up the camera again, okay? Hey, cool. Thank you. You haven't broken your word. None of them had. Oh, no, no.

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Move it up. When you all moved in and what happened as they moved in well we moved in yesterday morning with the guard and just have been standing waiting to see where we were needed in order to support the state police and the infantry officials that's all we've done up to this point I see what happened when you got the call to to move in whether it was any incident today. No none at all none of I know. Just about 15 minutes ago how is the operation handled where did they come in from.

They they came right through this gate along with the state police swap team in the city of Santa Fe swap teams and there's no one employed as you see them right there as these people voluntarily come out and give up. We haven't engaged any of them physically in any manner at just point. Have any shots been fired at all none at all none not from our people anyone. Not that I know of. Biggest shot here with the end of it sitting down national guards. We thought.

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