The Fine Print; Program 02 20 Guest Lisa Scottoline Book Courting Trouble

and i gather that any from national public radio this is the fine print and exploration and celebration i'm rebecca seventeen years ago leases got a lien he was a success at a prestigious law firm in philadelphia she loved being a trial lawyer but then she was handed some good news and some bad news that good news was the birth of her daughter the bad news was the failure of her marriage so lisa scuttle leaning left the law firm to raise her daughter and to make a do or die effort to write in financing herself with five visa cards she wrote about her experiences as a lot it took three years to finish but everywhere that mary went was blocked by harper collins and received an edgar award nomination and that was the beginning of a very successful career for lisa struggling in her second novel a final appeal didn't win the anger and her

subsequent six novels have been critically acclaimed bestsellers lisa's latest legal thriller is titled courting trouble and her fans will be glad to know that this book again features many rosato is all women off her the book's center however is a new associate and murphy a beautiful redhead with plenty of smarts isn't afraid to take chances although with her past she'd be better off using more caution lisa scott laney is as intelligent as lively as warm and as lovely as the character she creates i hope you can join us for this next half hour before we talk about courting trouble your latest book ask how and what you can do and how wonderful i mean a big traveler and torn for this book most recently but before that

reason kids raising pass the cost but i have my daughter who's sixteen innocent step daughters who were eighteen twenty one and twenty three so we were very busy for a while well we're just off of college so there's only one home again in a meeting is a blow dryer you know that's i mean that's a lot of estrogen in one hand and said i'm a mostly is good so again no cause for complaint always enjoyed with each of your books figuring out ok what are some of the thing she really wanted to get into this particular book familial relationships of course with our mistaken identity coming at a time when you earned you had a sister who knew did not know existed in this one friendship i think is the first one yes for me i thought this is a book about friendship and not just about established friends but making friends and what friends can do for you and what ole lonely sad life it is if you don't have

here i do think that is actually what is behind this whole book because i started to think about it and they've created this as a listener in a series which is a group of women lawyers who are also friends in varying degrees and having lived on the inside of that occurred to me once that as an adult it's hard to make friends everyone to be easy and we'll have our friends my friends of the same without hats as high school and it is very hard to break into that anderson of wonder sometimes why that's so does have to be selling and our friends really necessary when you grow up i mean i'm married of kids out the job should not be enough bite it really isn't and it in his book the main character it appears to have all you know she's praying she's and in your legs or on moisturizer she's mad men to volunteer for fetuses that stretch for me read an iran to worry yeah yeah just very bold and she's very impulsive and she lies to gather things and she's she's not like oh the aluminum learning about she looked like somebody who

doesn't need a friend but actually she does on a western answered my own question about that you know why is it that and i think it's true for men too but i'm across like i was beaten up for women friendships are so we started you know you weren't getting along with my husband but some alumni like oh my best friend on the new guinea for coffee cuz i need a real event and we'd take turns interrupting each other that we feel better later and i think that all relationships benefit from their restorative is exactly the word devious can have a nurturing thing and it's another think it will work so why are also busy with kids or whatever that we know especially moms and women who kind of take care of everybody they believe is a way to take care of yourself to take off an hour and talk on the phone with your friend or your for lunch which was a key we'll have to cope with the cleanup will have to jump up a cd one more coffee someone's going to reference is it's worth every penny

yes yes it really is the very beginning of courting trouble i think the first really sad scene in terms of understanding what this like a friendship is doing four and murphy this main character this redhead green eyed gorgeous you've got a hater kind of lover to but she is just pulled off a start in the courtroom that it very easily could have gotten hurt disbarred and or put in gao but she's always use it and she goes ahead and she does it and it wreaks havoc in the court the judges furious but he said your point has been made exactly and she wins the case and so she's you know she's got that feeling that took this big risk you know i leapt off the cliff and i made it safely you know in the river down below and she goes back to the office and the result home of course is the head of the law firm isn't the end which really is or because she's lent him about banning exactly but judy carrier and

mary dinunzio are in and she gertz yourself to go into their office she is laughter coming from mary's office and she goes again thinking oh maybe we could all go out for a drink or just something she needs to connect and these two women stop laughing when he comes into the office she feels completely and totally shut out and the only four and she realizes she has and it's not even a friend is a woman who walks beside her when they're doing the exercise bikes at the gym there well i knew i think it's not a typical and i think it's sort of interesting to the thing probably even though i feel like i have good friends there's times i think when i felt that way i think this was one we've all been outsiders are insiders july i lived in philadelphia i grew up there i've lived about tennis where with a high school most of time i feel very inside when the other hand in high school i was in a latin club we're not cool kids were

spanish at a new suit i don't ever lose that and often hear from a job i have to go to newark in europe i'm a total complete outsider i always have like the wrong clothes in it and i'm very aware of that iraq and not of that i'm not swimming in that the whole pond but you know you've got to gird yourself and you've got to try and that's what this character does i was hoping and it then people would see what she does because when she goes in to see these people she has the right impulses women in colored bird yup i wanna connected just like you said i want to connect but i'm not really sure how now she doesn't tell them this incredible think she's just on court which is cut her problem they stop laughing i think there are people besides and had experience of people start shouting up in i mean you can even tell it and sometimes a phrase in someone's been talking about you know who made out as a quick silly aside i had the strength of the day before i left and carmike desire they make a misstep care of home buyers

in the computer business and we have a lot of computers in our blood family room before they each have one and was my end i came in and they were instant messaging they're always i am in people that's an ever so of course when i walk in they cover the screen and i said when you guys doing of course i had my peek as i'm good peaking before they cover and i realize that they were instant messaging each other icicles why don't you turn off the computers and actually talk to each other and they said because we're talking about you know i know i know and technology are holding the president would like a modern spin on i just come into a room and you were talking about i did it silently just common strain that is surreal it is another they relented only to happen in two thousand and by half but you sort of realize it there's a lot of queues at and miscues that going to form a new relationship as an adult even though we're so well groomed only come into the world and try to present are certain like we

still just people inside and an somebody who needs to reach out doesn't really understand that and really doesn't know how to do it partly that's a disadvantage at least from my research is being someone as gorgeous as she is as she had interviewed two really gorgeous people which was really kind of interesting because the main characteristic that they shared was that people come to them they don't really have to learn to come to people things come to them favors an i put the stuff in the book and of the new releases get saved the best current the rental agency people were pleased them men in particular but women to know it's kind of what we have in this society which is unfortunate and what creates an ad person is people come to me and when people don't come to like put a really gorgeous women all all women law firm we know what they're not falling energy effects like you set out to the girl you love to hate and so she has to learn how to reach out to people and i'm not going to give this away but you

sang for example in high school you're in the latin club how cool kids from the spanish club you never get over that there is something in anne's past that she's never gotten over either way and it almost doesn't really matter how beautiful she is today because all that baggage is still there she sought marlys ghost and she still carrying all that baggage around with her ear that's true it's gravy you see that i do think that some silly typical you know i really do think that i have a line and i had to pull myself but i we're so harmless i'm so very proud of it but i was kind of like none of us outgrows a kid in the bathroom mirror you just don't i'm always good deal and clever my own mind and i think that we're all like that passionate journalists who wildly like many of us rely so does the media changing as you get all the chairs it would you know maybe i think this book isn't really true for good i'm becky niemi views over the prisoners and assert yourself and you find it a lot people think you're really kind of a jerk and it

works both ways and then there's people go to happily delusional about how terrific they are and then they find out you know like sam i surrender rate that the person who has you know feels to fish and when she's not that it is a given in this book and in probably another is let's tell people now the bare outlines of courting trouble what was your book about that the idea from homicide detective some meat eaters says it'll have the nine votes down and panic us ally it is funny it's really fun and it's grim i like to laugh and they have a wonderful sense of humor him and that discussion to set a throwaway line and he said home your best person to solve a murder would be the victim but they're never around when you needed another one that's kanak you and then i realized you know there will be ancient idea for balk at the same time i realized i had this habit which my husband he's quirky but i think is just fine which is really a bachelor's

i've always done that and i don't think it's a mormon i think of it as more of a life so that wouldn't be interesting if i combine those ideas and that's recording troubles about this woman this court is redhead wakes up one morning having left her house in the city without her beloved cat with a cancer and i was a newspaper and the headline says lower murder and picture underneath us hurts and in effect she returned a bitter she realizes quickly that her friend has been killed and decides and that either weather homicide detective well she thinks she knows who an enemy of hers is as in she says about the software and murder species the crime victims going to solve the crime and that's basically that the leaping off point recording they have an interesting star hope oh yeah it's funny because you know i get this idea that as you said i mean i don't really i'm write anything and i'm not really writing without line so my first question is can that happen because everything has to be plausible and the law the police procedure like their baguettes my friends at the station precinct in philadelphia and

first question is do bodies get mistakenly identified as other people isn't all that time with them is that it's a great comfort as a novelist but as a citizen you can do it you know our you know it taught me really really before i had this insert talking about it a mother enlisted in a fight some menace or some people are emotional and they look away and until the actual physical results of tests or the stuff they did get him and acidification can stand that's what set the book up for the job we can't exactly what us about the size and so yeah that's another monkey wrench you throw in the works is a long holiday weekend and nobody's gonna be around to do these tests example everything will grind to a standstill because i was sort of amazed me that we froze of the reading public has a sophistication and so were people just generally watching the news and you know basically the forensics and the dna testing in the hair analysis and what that whole crime fighting mechanism that comes into play to detect unsolved crime and csi is a number one show but what's interesting to me my research showed is that it all rests on a

person and oj unfortunately taught us all that that that it is a vulnerability at that at the rock bottom personal level any that is in this case it's a delay that's good for writers cause we can explain it but it's very interesting to me that given all these high technology it's filled with some single individual a city employee or anybody to see us for the july something like that after a long holiday weekend tired and heady first cut because you put the wrong chemical in the wrong too and suddenly somebody is who's diagnosed as having cancer or not having just not humanly vulnerable that languages are great charm our conversation with lisa scuttling his latest legal thriller is titled courting trouble will resume after this brief time and i hope you can continue to check out the fine print

support for the fine clip comes from grace will be in the bed and breakfast where book lovers located on the highest point in one county gray still has a three hundred sixty degree view of the great smokey mountains w w w dot race will be and be dot com there is a character in this book food is a stalker but not just your average run of the male everyday stalker there is such a thing he's in a rather manic yet how that's pronounced if you chose listeners what that means one issue that these really gorgeous people though in any simulate a pickup soccer as awful that is is that people become obsessed with them and what i started to do the research in particular talk to a therapist one in particular was very hopeful i've found that more and more actually define it to romania is this syndrome with the person actually believes they're the person they're

stalking stocker believes that the stock he is in love with that it's not only that they had fixated on this person like i love marilyn monroe it's really marilyn monroe once me and more and more i was learning the celebrity cases steven spielberg and michelle pfeiffer and there's a lot of them they write in soccer was coalesced what he calls itself wisdom a cranky billy's meg ryan was to marry him it's a very odd indeed to me sort of interesting twist on the succession a love and it can happen for no reason and you have to have any contact with these people it's just a four of delusional behavior and so that's the case of this woman i sort of wanted to say there's a sky stalking her and what i like about her is that she does everything she supposed to do when you go because i want to because of timing saw when what you do you should do if you can move you should've you should change your address you should change your job if you put a tape recording machine on to that when he leaves messages you have evidence

and if she does all that she gets a temporary restraining order it's a very hard you know as most people know and i don't want it linger too long and this is supposed to be an entertaining book i wanted to show the reader if you're somebody who steadfastly refuses to be a victim although she is one and she just doesn't really get into it to her credit and does everything she supposed to do and that's still not enough for sure that's true for a lot of women one of these people is on your tail know can change your life in just the most horrific ways and they're very very very persistent i mean are romantics can start for pretended twelve years well i can change everything what you know the scariest thing about our that to me was if you don't try to get help if you don't get a restraining order put on this person or any of the other legal ways that you can keep this person away from you because you have challenged his or her delusion and it suddenly flip so hundred and eighty degrees and now you become the object of this person's hate to

be late and it's so focused and so i can be violent there's plenty of cases there was one a new acronym just forget this image of her directing the book where a woman was found with her temporary restraining order knife to her chest and nurses or four minutes awful stuff some inadequacies research ooh she's got thirteen temporary restraining orders from an ex husband bring him back to court and bring him back to court and she won a move her kids are in school and you know that plus i don't know i don't know what you do about that but you just keep trying whenever processes there are mostly think everything you know i think of it as like anything your healthcare your career it i teach my daughters in the end you have to depend on yourself that's exhilarating but it's also frightening and you're trying to you know i think anybody listening right now who's ever for example experienced a burglary and you come home and you find out someone has been in your house touching your things and taking your things it sets up such a and an easy no spanier that it's often months before you can enter your house without feeling uneasy when

we're going to find it has the person than back and this takes that to the nth degree and can answer the door that she doesn't have to look first to make sure that this person is not on the other side and that's a horrible figure who have to live with you i think when when i talk to these one person particular with a cure is what is gone as her peace of mind that is the thing that we have that you will never ever have until the person's dead and you know he's young nanny shows no signs so i can imagine what does it mean you saw there was a loss of privacy even that is a far cry from i never feel safe even in my own house man so what is already on the scary said the court said were healthy and that's a battering and or controlling husband isn't this is not a huge part of this book but there's enough and here again i think this is an issue that it that you find imported keep reminding people that there are a

lot of people out there who seem normal perfectly normal perfectly nice but are very controlling and can be very violent if crossed right and can now be ruining the spells and our children's life without behavior and most people never know that's right and i sort of wanted to present the guy in this book as the way that i think i these people can be somehow to just do normal seeming if you the fee known that relationship where you're married or not you've come to set certain things as trout part my perspectives come from having his daughters and stepdaughters and seeing for example one particular this is it modeled on him but she boyfriend who he called her the moment she then the juror if she was late to call you say white kids calling fifteen times a day and she thought that that was very affectionate and very attentive until it became clear that he didn't like her friends and sources of things like that happen and you

go that's very interesting how behavior that we'll even equate with love i mean if you are a popular songs he really loves me if he's at my house of the roses when i didn't ask him to be there and that was on their automatic still they bring your gifts and nice girls that we are summer but huge gift you'd be jerk to say thank you but if the well so much on the levy the door elk candy while he's at your door and if she's into intrusion and it really is about control and you're absolute right it's about controlling behavior and disease and dizzy we made a parallel police have wanted to show more subtle version of what we all can agree a psychotic but i don't think we know that that's as its own form of control too huge lucy and ethel fan i am telling and they're also love all the way through this one and is experiencing things and something will happen she's there's mental note and then she'll say something to some of them are funny some of them are any really i remember this but i just love

that no blank hard on that the last thing i kind of backed into cousinly can as well my six year old alter tv families we have now the osborne says the sopranos i found her turned over to tv land and their cars and i remember i love lucy so the pleasant funny show but then of course i mean i'm watching now and the whys and i'm completely misses like it is in a lucy in the tao of louisiana i doubt elvis were wonderful sort of like what's really happening here and come to think of this show as having for very discreet and well fleshed out characters instantly put into a situation the plants are terrific and they usually have a really great surprise ending and i also liked the spirit that lucille ball that sense of no redheaded verve so it's about friendship about female friends and cynical and i think that was part of the pleasure of that show you're watching them just love each other and schemed to gather

and it gives the eggs and the shirts and all the songs that they did a little bit having in the us senate wondering she says show a side of herself as lucy with apple and its premature she is which is just in complete isn't it's a totally poignant line top and he saved a chef i've always felt like lucy with a vessel afloat i think that that's an essential laptop or you know it's unthinkable research for your books you talk about it touched honored throughout this interview but i have noticed or the course of your career you take your research very very seriously and on one of your books the last book i believe it is mary dinunzio is going to represent this old man ray who has pigeons did you carry a similar percentage is ok ok and so i had to learn all about homing pigeons which was fascinating actually that's the fun part of the job that you serve get to

explore something like what makes grilling cages fly home which there still is no answer for which is kind of remarkable to me and he could have i am computers and pension checks but you can figure out what makes a bird find its way back home over two hundred miles and they may be slower than pension checks then i think about it and maybe they are but i like that research in corning trial and in previous books that it's tough because you get very i'm involved in your research not to make a really inappropriate comparison but i always think i always think of herman melville moby dick he does work to do his homework and you have this one point when his years wonderful the book that wasn't his power this like eight pages describing harper looks and so whenever i get to and the researcher decisions of remember you know a fraction of that makes it into the book it's emily what have only waste the time that i i fee eel that at that time isn't wasted you come with a lot of my research i went there saying isn't it was on one of my previous trips here that we talked about utah elementary which is a concept i hadn't heard that he recommended a book by simon schama

risk of memory and a third that is such a profound notion that you live on the land and the land shape you a new internship there and talk about how that could apply even to places beautiful as tennessee but also places can a crummy is your might might hometown comes battered asphalt streets yet i walked three letters and i i use an iou for that he says lisa scuttling the award winning and bestselling author of nine legal thrillers including the latest court in trouble and that does conclude our program through this week i hope you enjoyed it and i hope you'll join me again next week too we'll check out the fine plan for national public radio i'm rebecca is produced by rebecca bain and scott smith for nashville public radio copies

of the program are available on contact us and the cost of thirty dollars reward or call our business all this monday through friday at six one five seven six la tonight you can hear the flavor at any time by visiting our website you'll find more than two years with the pogroms archive where you can also find more information about the fine print book love including a complete list of club selections he addresses w w w dot wto and not o r g e