New Dimensions; Gabrielle Roth; Part 4

<v Gabrielle Roth>[poem] Holding on. I had something to lose, to protect, to fight for. <v Gabrielle Roth>When I became the teachings integrating into action, as I learned <v Gabrielle Roth>I became a warrior fluid, letting go of everything, being nothing <v Gabrielle Roth>to lose or protect. <v Gabrielle Roth>I say to you, go where you go, <v Gabrielle Roth>but never stay. <v Gabrielle Roth>Take what you take, then give it away. <v Gabrielle Roth>Pay attention to great minds. <v Gabrielle Roth>Use them as models, not mask. <v Gabrielle Roth>Let's appreciate rather than imitate our teachers. <v Gabrielle Roth>For each of us has our own task to perform here in the Destiny <v Gabrielle Roth>Dance. This is your one and only chance <v Gabrielle Roth>to do that dance, take it. <v Gabrielle Roth>[poem set to music] I am the enemy. A collective identity. All

<v Gabrielle Roth>of our ?descendnts? existing to detain the spirit. <v Gabrielle Roth>Why give up your spar? ?inaudible? Why give up choice to follow anothers voice? Remember, <v Gabrielle Roth>Mr. Jones? <v Gabrielle Roth>?inaudible? <v Gabrielle Roth>Maybe crazy. <v Gabrielle Roth>Responsibility ?inaudible? Alone, we must begin at ?home? <v Michael Toms>So it's really up to each of us.

<v Gabrielle Roth>Absolutely. <v Michael Toms>We can't look outside of ourselves for help. <v Gabrielle Roth>Oh, yes, you can. But you have to come right back inside. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's like, yes, you can. I mean, in the mirror of the I see me, we need mirrors. <v Gabrielle Roth>That's the whole point. It's like we- we live in a mirror system. <v Gabrielle Roth>And the worst thing that we can do to a human being is to rob them of the mirror system <v Gabrielle Roth>and to put them into solitary confinement. <v Gabrielle Roth>This is a horrible thing to do to someone. <v Gabrielle Roth>We absolutely are dependent upon this mirror system, for it's in that system that we <v Gabrielle Roth>discover our own truth. <v Gabrielle Roth>The problem is that we can't get caught in someone else's reflection and then wear it <v Gabrielle Roth>like it's ours. We have to be able to bounce back. <v Gabrielle Roth>We have to be able to see ourself in someone else's reflection and then find that <v Gabrielle Roth>reflection from within so that it's like always going back and forth <v Gabrielle Roth>between the contradictions between leader, follower, between teacher-student. <v Gabrielle Roth>You have to be able to be in the flow. <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, it's like when we get stuck and we start. <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, putting someone on a on a pedestal.

<v Gabrielle Roth>You know, it's it's very difficult, it's very difficult for each of us. <v Gabrielle Roth>Like I'm dealing with this now. I have other I have people who are my students. <v Gabrielle Roth>But the only way that I can handle that is to make them immediately into teachers so that <v Gabrielle Roth>there is a constant flow. I have two wonderful girls doing the moving center work <v Gabrielle Roth>in Santa Cruz with children. It's like they're translating all of this work about unity <v Gabrielle Roth>and uniqueness into theater for the children. <v Gabrielle Roth>And this has been my dream. This has been my vision to bring what I know <v Gabrielle Roth>back to the children. It's like I left the kids saying to myself, I know nothing. <v Gabrielle Roth>I know absolutely nothing. <v Gabrielle Roth>These kids, except that these kids are dead. <v Gabrielle Roth>They're fifteen and they're dead. <v Gabrielle Roth>They are not alive. They are not you. <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, they are not allowing themselves to express themselves. <v Gabrielle Roth>I have no sense of who they are and I left with <v Gabrielle Roth>that and now I'm returning you know, I'm returning my work to the educational system <v Gabrielle Roth>through all forms, actually. But that happens to be one that's very important to me.

<v Gabrielle Roth>And these two beautiful ladies are doing amazing work in Santa Cruz, <v Gabrielle Roth>working through the school system as consultants and creating dynamic <v Gabrielle Roth>theater processes in a period of, you know, six or seven hours with the kids, <v Gabrielle Roth>where they really allow them to create their own characters, to create their own plays. <v Gabrielle Roth>And then they create the guidance, the catalyst, the form. <v Gabrielle Roth>And the kids really create the content, because the childhood <v Gabrielle Roth>cycle is about the heart. It's really about the heart. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's about developing a sense of authority. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's about developing a sense of rules and regulations. <v Gabrielle Roth>And at the same time, because of that, we can't lose the individual spirit. <v Gabrielle Roth>We have to allow them to move together even at that age. <v Gabrielle Roth>And so I see them doing this work. <v Gabrielle Roth>And and that's the only way that I can work with people and, you know, work with <v Gabrielle Roth>initiates. It's like they must have their own. <v Gabrielle Roth>They must be unique. They must be willing to be original.

<v Gabrielle Roth>The work is the work. That's a method in the wrong hands. <v Gabrielle Roth>It would become an imitation of me in the right hands. <v Gabrielle Roth>It will become an inspiration to all it touches. <v Speaker>[Song: Water Into Wine by Bruce Cockburn] <v Michael Toms>Musically, that was changing water into wine and verbally we're doing that

<v Michael Toms>here [laughter, Gabrielle Roth: beautiful] with Gabrielel Roth. <v Michael Toms>Gabrielle, you've had lots and lots of teachers and lots and lots of mirrors <v Michael Toms>in your own journey. And what is that brought you to? <v Michael Toms>What point is it brought you to? Do you feel like you've reached a point? <v Michael Toms>Or are you still moving toward another point? <v Michael Toms>how's that work for you? How's it working for you? <v Michael Toms>How's it feel? <v Gabrielle Roth>It feels fantastic. I feel like I've completed my puberty <v Gabrielle Roth>and hopefully a lot of my peers have done the same. <v Gabrielle Roth>And that this part of my life is about intimacy. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's about maturity. It's about contributing my gift to the society as a whole. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's about, you know, expanding my vision to include <v Gabrielle Roth>the entire planet. <v Gabrielle Roth>And it's brought me to <v Gabrielle Roth>a place where where I can really begin to be who I am and serve <v Gabrielle Roth>who I am. And a lot of that has been falling

<v Gabrielle Roth>in love with Robert. That's been just the most profound teaching for me. <v Gabrielle Roth>That's to me, God's training. It's the simple everydayness of it all. <v Gabrielle Roth>And really learning to be with someone and- and <v Gabrielle Roth>grow with someone and share with someone. <v Gabrielle Roth>I mean, I've been a loner. I've been- I've moved a lot. <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, I've covered a lot of ground. And I had to do that. <v Gabrielle Roth>I had to be willing to let go of everything in order to do that and to be willing to let <v Gabrielle Roth>go of all attachments on the dime. <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, just move. And and I did. <v Gabrielle Roth>And at some point, I completed that <v Gabrielle Roth>part of the path. And I really felt the staggering loneliness <v Gabrielle Roth>of not having a soul mate. <v Gabrielle Roth>It was like right at that point that that I met Robert, but it was like I geared <v Gabrielle Roth>my whole self for it. You know, I wasn't ready up until that time. <v Gabrielle Roth>And I feel that this is very important. And I really hope that people are robbing <v Gabrielle Roth>themselves of this, you know, by getting caught in this pubescent play from bed to bed,

<v Gabrielle Roth>from head to head, you know, like this is finding yourself, this is finding your <v Gabrielle Roth>independence. But as soon as you get your independence, then you want to share it. <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, you want you want to have somebody to move up and down with. <v Gabrielle Roth>And. And I'd say that my life now is about it's rooted in family, <v Gabrielle Roth>which it was missing before. <v Gabrielle Roth>And it's you know, my work is taking a big change. <v Gabrielle Roth>I'm moving toward theater and really exploring what <v Gabrielle Roth>I know and what I feel and what I have to say through magical metaphors, <v Gabrielle Roth>through, you know, more theatrical outlets rather than therapeutic ones. <v Gabrielle Roth>Although to me, they're all the same. <v Gabrielle Roth>So that I've been working on a Broadway piece or a kind of a Broadway piece, it's going <v Gabrielle Roth>to take a different form. But I've been spending the last year really working on that. <v Gabrielle Roth>I have that almost completed. <v Gabrielle Roth>And that's a very exciting thing to me. And then the writing is all very newsy. <v Gabrielle Roth>Anyway, had time I was that I did survive, had to work, and I never had time to sit

<v Gabrielle Roth>around just gestating and- and allowing the <v Gabrielle Roth>the understandings to flow into writing, into words, into form. <v Gabrielle Roth>So right now my life is about form. <v Gabrielle Roth>So I suppose that's maturity. <v Michael Toms>Sounds to me like you had to also step back and just let go of of <v Michael Toms>searching for the other, as so many of us do, to allow the other to appear. <v Gabrielle Roth>Well, I went through all this stuff and I came out dancing. <v Gabrielle Roth>I mean, what a joke.[laughter] I mean, I could have been dancing the whole time, <v Gabrielle Roth>you know. It's like I was you know, I thought there was something important I was <v Gabrielle Roth>supposed to get and what I was supposed to get at the end of this whole thing was dance, <v Gabrielle Roth>you know, and that's- that's been that was the- that was the message I began <v Gabrielle Roth>with. That was the message I received in the beginning. <v Gabrielle Roth>And it just it I didn't have the security and the trust to really pay attention <v Gabrielle Roth>to that. So I had to go through all of this to find to reestablish my roots <v Gabrielle Roth>within, you know, the roots that aren't earthbound necessarily, but that are <v Gabrielle Roth>far beyond that.

<v Gabrielle Roth>And,uh, so I don't you know, I don't feel I don't regret any of it. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's been in my- my- my life has been amazing. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's been really a lot of I've covered a lot of ground. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's been very interesting and exciting. <v Gabrielle Roth>And I'm really glad to be home at ?Terrell Farms? now, just, you know, a <v Gabrielle Roth>bigger Mench. <v Michael Toms>?Terrell Farms? is where you live, huh? <v Gabrielle Roth>Yeah, that's where we live. And that's, uh- <v Gabrielle Roth>I wrote a love poem. Can I read that? Can I read a love poem on the air? <v Gabrielle Roth>[Host: Be my guest] It's called 'Soulmate Song to Robert.' <v Gabrielle Roth>I love to hold you in my arms. <v Gabrielle Roth>Deep in the night at Tarryl Farms. <v Gabrielle Roth>I feel your body becoming mine as we disappear in languorous mind. <v Gabrielle Roth>You're my first and last vision every day. <v Gabrielle Roth>And all I want is to keep it that way. <v Gabrielle Roth>You are my deepest teacher. <v Gabrielle Roth>In God's training were enrolled. <v Gabrielle Roth>My surrender is total.

<v Gabrielle Roth>My commitment is whole. <v Gabrielle Roth>I awaken in your presence, all my parts to play. <v Gabrielle Roth>I bet you think I'm crazy. <v Gabrielle Roth>Changing every day. But everything's always new, including <v Gabrielle Roth>me and you. I look at you and see me inside out. <v Gabrielle Roth>We are something that I never doubt. <v Gabrielle Roth>In my life, you're the star being just who you are. <v Gabrielle Roth>You were what I needed to cure my aching heart. <v Gabrielle Roth>And now that you've done it, let's never be apart. <v Gabrielle Roth>Well, except maybe occasionally for art. <v Michael Toms>Beautiful poem, beautiful,. <v Gabrielle Roth>Beautiful man. <v Gabrielle Roth>I feel strange all these poems have been about men, but, you know, the interesting thing <v Gabrielle Roth>is most of my teachers have been children, dancers, women. <v Gabrielle Roth>And yet I felt like sharing those teachers that other people could relate to as well and <v Gabrielle Roth>honoring those teachers that touched on many lives.

<v Gabrielle Roth>And another time I'll touch on the ones that just moved me personally. <v Gabrielle Roth>They are there and there are many of them, too. <v Gabrielle Roth>And in this time, I felt like it was just appropriate for me to acknowledge <v Gabrielle Roth>how much I've received and how much others have given to my life. <v Michael Toms>I think it's appropriate that all of us do that. <v Gabrielle Roth>I think it's important that we recognize that we're <v Gabrielle Roth>taking, and that we're giving. <v Gabrielle Roth>But it's like the song Who Heals the Healer? <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, it's important. <v Gabrielle Roth>A lot of people put their lives on the line, and every once in a while, they need to know <v Gabrielle Roth>that someone recognized that. <v Michael Toms>The balance, I think, is really important. <v Michael Toms>So where do you- where do you go from here? <v Michael Toms>What is what is the next step for Gabrielle? <v Gabrielle Roth>Immediately I'm going to Esalen to do my workshop and ritual theater. <v Gabrielle Roth>And, uh, that has been extraordinary experience for me over the last year, working really <v Gabrielle Roth>in-depth with the ritual theater process.

<v Gabrielle Roth>I mean, bringing our attention to ourselves, to each other, into the planet <v Gabrielle Roth>through theater, recognizing the movement <v Gabrielle Roth>of life through its- there- through its cycles of childhood puberty deaths, <v Gabrielle Roth>you know, maturity, the birth, you know, and really getting a sense <v Gabrielle Roth>of what we really go through here on this planet and developing compassion for each <v Gabrielle Roth>other, developing compassion. That's very important. <v Michael Toms>So the Moving Center will continue to move? <v Gabrielle Roth>Yep, The moving center is never going to be a fixed organization. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's not- I'm not into creating a male forum like that. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's a consultancy. It moves in in many, many different waves. <v Gabrielle Roth>It moves through all forms and vitalizes them. <v Gabrielle Roth>And whatever I put my attention to, then I will, you know, use the same tools to <v Gabrielle Roth>to bring unity and unity and uniqueness to that form. <v Gabrielle Roth>And like I say now, I'm- I'm in the phase of creativity <v Gabrielle Roth>where I'm really into writing and into producing plays and into translating <v Gabrielle Roth>all of this into theater.

<v Gabrielle Roth>I feel that theater, it needs to come back, the ritual type of theater where people are <v Gabrielle Roth>transformed within the context of a theater, that they go there and that they leave and <v Gabrielle Roth>they're different, that they leave transformed, inspired, changed. <v Gabrielle Roth>And I'm into- I'm into creating this kind of theater, as are many others. <v Michael Toms>Sounds marvelous, sounds marvelous. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's exciting, Michael. It's exciting to watch people turn on to themselves. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's exciting to watch them vitalize. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's exciting to watch them realize that their own history is marvelous. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's absolute theater that their pain is glory. <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, that- that they're okay and that they have so much <v Gabrielle Roth>more. I mean, I know that right now my work at Esalen is extremely popular. <v Gabrielle Roth>I mean, there's lots of bodies, lots of people, lots of waiting lists and a whole new <v Gabrielle Roth>thing happening to me. And at the same time, I realize it's not- they're not coming to <v Gabrielle Roth>see me. They're coming because they get- <v Gabrielle Roth>they get a sense of who they are.

<v Gabrielle Roth>A dynamic and vital sense of who they are and how to how to put that in <v Gabrielle Roth>the world, how to celebrate it, how to find the theater <v Gabrielle Roth>of their own lives and express it. <v Gabrielle Roth>And so, um, I'm devoted. <v Gabrielle Roth>I mean, I'm not gonna quit. I have no, no, no desire to retire. <v Gabrielle Roth>You know, I'll just move through the next phase. And after that, I'm sure there'll be yet <v Gabrielle Roth>another. <v Michael Toms>Gabrielle,it's been great being with you. <v Gabrielle Roth>It's been wonderful being with you again, Michael. I missed being here. I've missed my <v Gabrielle Roth>San Francisco friends. I can't tell you how much I've missed you. <v Gabrielle Roth>You're very special. <v Michael Toms>Well, you gave us a special gift today. <v Michael Toms>I've been talking with Gabrielle Roth. And if you'd like more information about <v Michael Toms>Gabrielle's activities and tapes that she produces, you can write to The Moving Center. <v Michael Toms>And the address is Post Office Box 2-0-3-4, Red Bank, <v Michael Toms>New Jersey, 0-7-7-0-0-1. <v Michael Toms>The address, again, for information about Gabrielle Roth's activities. <v Michael Toms>The Moving Center Post Office Box 2-0-3-4, Red Bank,

<v Michael Toms>New Jersey 0-7-7-0-1. <v Michael Toms>Also, if you'd like to check out the Moving Center's Children's Theater down in Santa <v Michael Toms>Cruz, there is a phone number for that area. <v Michael Toms>4-0-8-4-2-9-1-9-6-3. <v Michael Toms>That's for information about the Moving Center Children's Theater area <v Michael Toms>4-0-8-4-2-9-1-9-6-3. <v Michael Toms>This is Michael Thoms on behalf of the entire New Dimensions radio family wishing you <v Michael Toms>moving through the cosmos. <v Gabrielle Roth>[poem set to music] Shaman, candlelit, transformer of souls. Barefoot, <v Gabrielle Roth>rooted before the ?line?, making movements, speaking songs. And wind around rugged slopes of ego, so he can ?moan? So we can see

<v Gabrielle Roth>truth ?inaudible? We're dancing hearts. And now he never lies. While <v Gabrielle Roth>authenticity dies. In the fear of being real, we don't want to feel the shaman moving below the mind.Seaking <v Gabrielle Roth>to find ancient angers, the wounded healer, a gian ?inaudible? ?jazz people?. He <v Gabrielle Roth>lies to release souls from ?inaudible?, transforming wrongs, to healing heights. The

<v Gabrielle Roth>shaman moves heartbeats through souls ?slump?. Everybody's <v Gabrielle Roth>scared of the dark. All <v Gabrielle Roth>you have to do is turn on the light. Turn on the light. Turn on the light. <v Speaker>[Song: It's In Everyone of Us by David Pomeranz]