PBS NewsHour; June 3, 2020, 3:00pm-4:00pm PDT

- Captioning sponsored by - NEWSHOUR PRODUCTIONS, LLC - >> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING. - I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. - ON THE NEWSHOUR TONIGHT: - PEACE AND JUSTICE. - PROTESTS INCREASE IN SIZE - ACROSS THE COUNTRY, WITH - VIOLENCE DECLINING, AS NEW - CHARGES ARE LEVELED AGAINST - MINNEAPOLIS POLICE OFFICERS IN - THE KILLING GEORGE FLOYD. - THEN, POLICING IN AMERICA. - WE EXAMINE LAW ENFORCEMENT - PRACTICES THAT - DISPROPORTIONATELY TARGET PEOPLE - OF COLOR, AND WAYS TO REFORM THE - JUSTICE SYSTEM. - PLUS, "RACE MATTERS." - AS COVID-19 EXPOSES DEEP RACIAL - FISSURES, A SOCIOLOGIST EXAMINES - THE OFTEN-UNINTENTIONAL RACIAL - ATTITUDES OF AMERICANS. - >> PERHAPS PEOPLE WILL SEE THE - THAT THESE NUMBERS AND JUST THE

- TREMENDOUS TRAUMA THAT THE BLACK - COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR IS - FACING IN THIS MOMENT. - AND PERHAPS THAT WILL MAKE THEM - TAKE RACIAL HEALTH DISPARITIES - MORE SERIOUSLY. - >> Woodruff: ALL THAT AND MORE, - ON TONIGHT'S PBS NEWSHOUR. - >> MAJOR FUNDING FOR THE PBS - NEWSHOUR HAS BEEN PROVIDED BY: - ♪ ♪ - MOVING OUR ECONOMY FOR 160 - YEARS. - BNSF, THE ENGINE THAT CONNECTS - US. - >> FIDELITY INVESTMENTS. - >> CONSUMER CELLULAR.

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- AND BY CONTRIBUTIONS TO YOUR PBS - STATION FROM VIEWERS LIKE YOU. - THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: THERE ARE NEW - CRIMINAL CHARGES TONIGHT IN THE - KILLING OF GEORGE FLOYD. - THE DEATH OF THE MINNEAPOLIS MAN - AT THE HANDS OF POLICE HAS - ROILED THE NATION, AND LARGE- - SCALE PROTESTS ARE CONTINUING. - LISA DESJARDINS BEGINS OUR - COVERAGE. - >> Desjardins: IN MINNESOTA, - THE FAMILY OF GEORGE FLOYD, - GATHERED ON THE EVE OF HIS - MEMORIAL SERVICE, AGAIN FACED - LEARNED NEWS IN HIS CASE. - TODAY, THE CHARGE AGAINST - DEREK CHAUVIN, THE OFFICER WHO - PRESSED HIS KNEE ON FLOYD'S - NECK, WAS RAISED TO SECOND- - DEGREE MURDER. - THE THREE OTHER OFFICERS WHO - WATCHED AND STOOD NEAR AS FLOYD - DIED HAVE BEEN CHARGED WITH - AIDING AND ABETTING MURDER. - FLOYD FAMILY ATTORNEY BENJAMIN - CRUMP. - >> THE FAMILY HAS ALWAYS WANTED - FIRST-DEGREE MURDER. - TO THE FULL EXTENT OF THE LAW. - WHATEVER GEORGE FLOYD WOULD HAVE

- BEEN CHARGED WITH, IF THE ROLES - WERE REVERSED, THAT'S WHAT THE - FAMILIES HAVE ASKED FOR. - >> Desjardins: CRUMP SAYS THERE - IS STILL THE POSSIBILITY OF - INCREASED CHARGES. - ATTORNEY GENERAL KEITH ELLISON - ANNOUNCED THE DECISION TODAY. - IT CAME AFTER A NIGHOF SOME OF - THE LARGEST, AND LARGELY - PEACEFUL, NATIONWIDE PROTESTS - YET. - ( CHANTING "I CAN'T BREATHE!" ) - >> Desjardins: IN NEW YORK, - PROTESTERSEFIED A NEW, EARLIER - CURFEW, WITH THOUSANDS FLOODING - THSTREETS WELL INTO THE NIGHT, - WITH ONLY SCATTERED LOOTING. - >> I DON'T PREACH VIOLENCE, I - PREACH EQUALITY. - I WANT ALL OF US TO BE EQUAL, - AND THAT'S WHY I STAND. - >> Desjardins: ULTIMATELY, - POLICE OFFICERS BEGAN PUSHING - PEOPLE OFF THE STREETS... - >> KEEP GOING! - KEEP GOING! - >> Desjardins: ...IGNITING A FEW - CLASHES. - >> THEY GRABBED INNOCENT PEOPLE - FOR NO REASON, AND JUST STARTED, - LIKE, CUFFING THEM, PUSHING THEM - INTO THE GROUND. - THIS DUDE WAS A JOURNALIST IN - THE PRESS, HE HAS A PRESS PASS, - AND THEY PUSHED HIM TO THE - GROUND. - >> Desjardins: IN WASHINGTON, - D.C., THE SCENE OUTSIDE THE - WHITE HOUSE WAS ALSO STARKLY - DIFFERENT FROM ONE NIGHT - EARLIER. - A NEW, TALL FENCE BARRED

- PROTESTERS FROM LAFAYETTE PARK - NEXT TO THE WHITE HOUSE. - THE CROWD REMAINED LARGE AND - BROKE CURFEW TO GATHER, BUT - POLICE DID NOT USE FORCE TO - REMOVE THEM, AND THINGS REMAINED - PEACEFUL. - PROTESTERS POINTEDLY WORKED TO - BLOCK ANYONE ATTEMPTING - VIOLENCE. - >> THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY - VIOLENCE, ASIDE FROM A STREET - SIGN THAT WAS TORN DOWN, AND THE - CROWD BOOED HIM BECAUSE THAT'S - NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE FOR. - >> Desjardins: WHITE HOUSE PRESS - SECRETARY KAYLEIGH McENANY TODAY - RAISED CONCERN ABOUT POLICE - OFFICERS WHO HAVE BEEN INJURED, - INCLUDING DAVID DORN, A RETIRE - OFFICER, WHO WAS KILLED WHILE - TRYING TO PROTECT A FRIEND'S - STORE IN ST. LOUIS. - PRESIDENT TRUMP HAD DEMANDED - THAT GOVERNORS AND MAYORS GET - TOUGHER AND USE THE NATIONAL - GUARD. - TODAY, IN A FOX NEWS RADIO - INTERVIEW, HE CLAIMED CREDIT FOR - THINGS APPEARING TO GET CALMER. - >> IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED - IN MINNESOTA, THEY WERE GETTING - DECIMATED. - AND AFTER THREE DAYS OF WATCHING - IT, I DEMANDED THAT THE NATIONAL - GUARD BE UTILIZED, AND IN ONE - DA IT WAS OVER. - >> Desjardins: THE PRESIDENT - ALSO TALKED THIS WEEK OF - INVOKING THE "INSURRECTION ACT"" - TO USE THE ACTIVE-DUTY MILITARY - IN A BID TO RESTORE ORR. - BUT TODAY, SECRETARY OF DEFENSE

- MARK ESPER TOLD CONGRESS HE - OPPOSES TAKING THAT STEP NOW. - >> THE OPTION TO USE ACTIVE-DUTY - FORCES IN A LAW ENFORCEMENT ROLE - SHOULD ONLY BE USED AS A MATTER - OF LAST RESORT, AND ONLY IN THE - MOST URGENT AND DIRE OF - SITUATIONS. - WE AREOT IN ONE OF THOSE - SITUATIONS NOW. - I DO NOT SUPPORT INVOKING THE - INSURRECTION ACT. - >> Desjardins: SECRETARY ESPER - ALSO DEFENDED HIS MONDAY NIGHT - WALK WITH TRUMP TO A NEARBY - CHURCH FOR A PRESIDENTIAL - PHOTO-OP, AFTER POLICE FORCIBLY - CLEARED AWAY PEACEFUL - PROTESTERS. - >> WHAT I WAS NOT AWARE OF WAS - EXACTLY WHERE WE WERE GOING WHEN - WE ARRIVED AT THE CHURCH, AND - WHAT THE PLANS WERE WHEN WE GOT - THERE. - IT WAS ALSO MY AIM, AND GENERAL - MILLEY'S, TO MEET AND THANK - MEMBERS OF THE NATIONAL GUARD - WHO WERE ON DUTY THAT EVENING IN - THE PARK. - >> Desjardins: BUT SENATE - MINORITY LEADER CHUCK SCHUMER - AGAIN CRITICIZED WHAT HAPPENED - OUTSIDE THE WHITE HOUSE THAT - NIGHT. - >> THIS ADMINISTRATION ORDERED - FEDERAL OFFICERS TO GAS PEACEFUL - PROTESTERS AND CHARGE ON - HORSEBACK AND DEFEND OUR - MONUMENTS LIKE BATTLEFIELD - POSITIONS.

- WHAT IS PRESIDENT TRUMP DOING TO - THIS GRAND DEMOCRACY? - >> Desjardins: THE WHITE HOUSE - AND PENTAGON TODAY DENIED THAT - TEAR GAS WAS USED ON THE - PROTESTERS MONDAY NIGHT. - THE WHITE HOUSE TODAY SAID THAT - ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR GAVE THE - ORDER TO PUSH BACK THE CROWDS, - AND IT WAS PART OF A PREVIOUSLY- - MADE DECISION. - MEANTIME, THE WORLD IS WATCHING - THE UNREST ACROSS THE UNITED - STATES. - IN IRAN, SUPREME LEADER - AYATOLLAH ALI KHAMENEI SAID THE - U.S. IS HYPOCRITICAL. - >> ( translated ): THEY KILL - PEOPLE, COMMITTING CRIMES - OPENLY, AND THEY DON'T - APOLOGIZE. - BUT THEY SHAMELESSLY KEEP - TALKING ABOUT HUMAN RIGHTS. - APPARENTLY, THE AFRICAN AMERICAN - MAN WHO WAS KILLED THERE WAS NOT - A HUMAN BEING. - >> Desjardins: IN CHINA, THE - COMMUNIST PARTY NEWSPAPER - "GLOBAL TIMES" SAID THE U.S. - SHOW OF FORCE PROVED BEIJING WAS - RIGHT TO CRACK DOWN ON PRO- - DEMOCRACY CROWDS IN TIANANMEN - SQUARE, 31 YEARS AGO TOMORROW. - THE TRAGEDY OF GEORGE FLOYD'S

- DEATH HAS SPARKED GLOBAL - PROTESTS IN SOLIDARITY AGAINST - RACISM FROM LONDON, TO PARIS, TO - CAPE TOWN, SOUTH AFRICA. - BACK IN THE U.S., NEW PROTESTS - FLARED UP ACROSS CITIES THIS - EVENING, FOR A NINTH STRAIGHT - NIGHT OF UNREST. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'M - LISA DESJARDINS. - >> Woodruff: THIS EVENING, - FORMER PRESIDENT JIMMY CARTER - RELEASED A STATEMENT, CALLING - FOR JUSTICE AND ACKNOWLEDGING - THE PAIN OF RACISM. - HE WROTE, "WE ALL MUST SHINE A - SPOTLIGHT ON THE IMMORALITY OF - RACIAL DISCRIMINATION. - BUT VIOLENCE, WHETHER - SPONTANEOUS OR CONSCIOUSLY - INCITED, IS NOT A SOLUTION." - I SPOKE A SHORT TIME AGO WITH - THE MAYOR OF ONE CITY THAT HAS - SEEN PROTESTS AND CURFEWS IN THE - PAST FEW DAYS. - STEPHEN BENJAMIN IS COLUMBIA, - SOUTH CAROLINA'S FIRST AFRICAN - AMERICAN MAYOR, AND HAS HELD THE - POSITION SINCE 2010. - MAYOR BENJAMIN, THANK YOU VERY - MUCH FOR TALKING TH US. - AS A BLACK MAN WHO'S BEEN IN - PUBLIC LIFE GOING BACK TO THE - 1990s, WHAT HAS THIS PAST WEEK - BEEN LIKE FOR YOU? - >> I'M USED TO ACTIVISM, THAT'S - WHY I GOT -- WHERE I GOT MY - START. - BUT THIS YEAR AND, HONESTLY, THE

- LAST SEVERAL YEARS HAVE BEEN - UNLIKE ANYTHING I'VE SEEN - BEFORE. - OBVIOUSLY, THE GLOBAL PANDEMIC, - UNLIKE ANYTHING WE'VE SEEN IN - THE LAST 100 YEARS, TRYING TO - DEAL WITH IS INTERSECTIONALITY - OF SO MANY ISSUES THAT LED TO - DESPAIRTY IMPACT ON COMMUNITIES - OF COLORS AND AFFECT ON THOSE - AND WITH SO MANY OTHER MAJOR - ISSUES GOING ON, PEOPLE FORGET - WE'RE STILL VERY MUCH IN THE - PANDEMIC. - THE COLLECTIVE PAIN THAT AMERICA - HAS FELT OVER THE LAST WEEK OVER - THE FLOYD CASE AND AS A - CULMINATION OF THE PAIN - REGARDING SYSTEMIC RACISM, - VIOLENCE, POLICE VIOLENCE AND - ALL THESE OTHER ISSUES, IT HAS - BEEN OVERWHELMING, AND IT - REQUIRES, YOU KNOW, REAL - LEADERSHIP WILLING TO STEP UP - AND ADDRESS THESE ISSUES. - BUT IT'S GOING TO TAKE A LOT OF - WORK, A LOT OF WORK. - >> Reporter: YOU HAD, OF - COURSE, PROTESTS ON SEVERAL

- NIGHTS, PROTESTS OVER THE - WEEKEND THAT TURNED VIOLENT. - WHAT WOULD YOU SA SAY IS THE STE - OF UNREST RIGHT NOW IN COLUMBIA? - >> JUST AS YOU SEE ACROSS THE - COUNTRY, INDEED ACROSS THE - GLOBE, THERE ARE SEVERAL OF OUR - CITIZENS AND PEOPLE WHO LIVE - HERE WHO MAY NOT BE CITIZENS WHO - WANT TO HAVE THEIR VOICES HEARD, - WHO HAVE FELT FOR QUITE SOME - TIME THAT THEY HAVE BEEN - UNHEARD. - SO WE AGGRESSIVELY ENCOURAGE - PEOPLE TO PARTICIPATE IN THE - RIGHT TO PETITION YOUR - GOVERNMENT FOR REDRESS OF - GRIEVOUS. - SOUTH CAROLINA CASE, U.S. - SUPREME COURT CASE, IT STARTED - IN COLUMBIA BACK IN THE EARLY - '60s, STILL CASE LAW TAUGHT IN - LAW SCHOOLS, DOES SECURE - PEOPLE'S RIGHT TO PETITION, TO - ASSEMBLY ANDREE SPEECH AND - IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE FEEL IS - AT THE CENTER OF WHO WE ARE AS A - CITY AND STATE. - THE CHALLENGE, OF COURSE, ON - SATURDAY IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN - THOSE NONVIOLENT PROTESTS BECOME - VIOLENT, AND I FEAR THAT THE - GREAT DISCUSSION THAT WAS - EMERGING -- WE STARTED HEARING

- VOICES LAST WEEK THAT NEVER - TALKED ABOUT SOCIAL JUSTICE, - EQUITY, SYSTEMIC ISSUES IN - POLICING LAST WEEK ACTUALLY - START TALKING ABOUT THEM AND - SPEAKING IN WORDS THAT REFLECT - LOVE, GRACE AND MERCY, AND I - BELIEVE THAT THE EVENTS OVER THE - WEEKEND, IN SEVERAL CITIES, - INCLUDING OURS, KIND OF TOOK US - OFF TRACK. - AND MY GOAL HAS BEEN TO PULL US - BACK ON TRACK TO MAKE SURE WE - CONTINUE HAVING THOSE IMPORTANT - DISCUSSIONS. - >> Reporter: I READ THAT YOU - MET WITH THE PROTESTORS ON A - COUPLE OF OCCASIONS. - THEY ARE TALKING TO YOU ABOUT - WANTING MORE TRANSPARENCY IN THE - WORK THAT POLICE DO IN YOUR - COMMUNITY. - THE KINDS OF THINGS THEY'RE - ASKING FOR ARE NOT ON THE BOOKS - RIGHT NOW, SO THEY'RE ASKING YOU - TO CHANGE LAWS, CHANGE - REGULATIONS? - >> YEAH, IT'S ACTUALLY A MIXED - BAG. - SO THE LIST OF CONCERNS AND - MANDS, IT'S ACTUALLY A MIXED - BAG OF THINGS THAT REQUIRE LOCAL

- ACTION, SOME REQUIRE STATE - ACTION, SOME FEDERAL AND SOME - ADDRESS CULTURAL ISSUES THAT - HAVE BEN PART OF OUR DNA SINCE - BEFORE THE FOUNDING OF THE - REPUBLIC, GO BACK TO 1619, BUT - STILL REQUIRE LEADERS TODAY TO - ADDRESS THEM. - OUR CONVERSATIONS HAVE LENT - THEMSELVES TO LOOKING AT THESE - DEMANDS. - LITERALITERALLY WE SPENT TWO HOS - YESTERDAY GOING THROUGH ALL OF - THEM, AND ME SHARING. - IT STARTS WITH DIALOGUE. - THE CHALLENGE WE HAVE RIGHT NOW, - JUDY, AS YOU KNOW, IS A LOT OF - WELL-MEANING PEOPLE ARE ELLING - AT EACH OTHER OR SILENT, AND - THERE'S NOT MUCH DIALOGUE, SO I - PROMISED TO THEM WE WILL WORK - THROUGH THIS, HAVE REAL - DIALOGUE. - THE THINGS WE AGREE ON, WE'LL - MOVE ON, THE THINGS WE DISAGREE - ON, WE'LL SHARE REASONS WHY, AND - IF WE HAVE A FUNDAMENTAL - AGREEMENT WITH SOME OF THE IS - SHIEWSH DOWN THE ROAD, WE'LL LET - DEMOCRACY DO ITS WORK.

- >> Woodruff: QUICKLY, I WANT - TO BRING THIS BACK TO WHAT YOU - MENTIONED AT THE OUTSET AND THAT - IS THE PANDEMIC AND COVID 19. - SOUTH CAROLINA, I AUTOSAW OVER - THE WEEKEND, HAT ITS HIGHEST - DAILY NEW COUNT OF COVID CASES. - HOW CONCERNED ARE YOU, MAYOR - BENJAMIN, THAT THESE PROTESTS - COULD LEAD TO ANOTHER OUTBREAK - OF THE VIRUS OF COVID I? - >> INCREDIBLY CONCERNED, - ESPECIALLY AFTER WHAT WE SAW ON - SOME OF OUR BEACHES ON MEMORIAL - DAY WEEKEND. - MOST OF THE PROTESTERS ARE - SOCIALLY CONSCIOUS ENOUGH TO BE - WEARING P.P.E., TO BE WEARING - MASKS. - HOWEVER, WE DO KNOW THAT THE - GREATEST WAY TO SLOW OR STOP THE - SPREAD OF THE VIRUS IS TO DO - PHYSICAL DISTANCING, AND THAT'S - NOT HAPPENING. - WE HAVE BEEN TALKING WITH - ORGANIZES ABOUT OFFERING - COVID 19 TESTING AT SOME OF THE - NEXT RALLIES AND DO SOME OF THE - THINGS TO TRY AND CURB THE - SPREAD OF THE VIRUS BECAUSE IT - IS SHOWING NO SIGN OF ABATING OR - DECELERATING.

- IT GIVES ME GRAVE CONCERNS. - >> Reporter: MAYOR STEPHEN - BENJAMIN OF COLUMBIA, - SOUTH CAROLINA, THANKS SO MUCH - FOR TALKING WITH US. - >> IT'S AN HONOR, JUDY. - THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: THE U.S. TOPPED 1.8 - MILLION CASES OF THE CORONAVIRUS - AND PASSED 107,000 DEATHS. - THE STATE OF FLORIDA REPORTED - 1,300 NEW INFECTIONS, ONE OF ITS - LARGEST ONE-DAY SURGES. - BUT, GOVERNOR RON DeSANTIS SAID - IT IS BECAUSE TESTING CAPACITY - IS IMPROVING. - >> NOW, THE VIRUS ISN'T GONE. - I THINK THAT WE'RE TESTING A LOT - IDENTIFYING CASES, PARTICULARLY - IN PRISONS, AMONGST AGRICULTURE - WORKERS, AREAS WHERE YOU HAVE A - LOT OF CONGREGATION, CLOSE - QUARTERS FOR A LONG PERIOD OF - TIME, AND SO WE'RE GOING TO - CONTINUE TO KEEP AN EYE ON THAT. - >> Woodruff: OVERSEAS, THE

- BRITISH GOVERNMENT SAID THAT IT - WILL MANDATE A TWO-WEEK SELF- - QUARANTINE ON ANYONE ARRIVING - FROM ABROAD. - IN THE U.S. PRESIDENTIAL - CAMPAIGN, FORMER VICE - PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN IS NOW - WITHIN A FEW DOZEN DELEGATES OF - CLINCHING THE DEMOCRATIC - PRESIDENTIAL NOMINATION. - HE SWEPT TUESDAY'S PRIMARIES IN - SEVEN STATES AND THE DISTRICT OF - COLUMBIA. - WE WILL LOOK AT THAT, AND THE - OTHER HEADLINES FROM THE - PRIMARIES, LATER IN THE PROGRAM. - REPUBLICAN PARTY LEADERS MADE IT - OFFICIAL TODAY-- PARTS OF THE - G.O.P. CONVENTION WILL TAKE - PLACE THIS AUGUST IN CHARLOTTE, - NORTH CAROLINA AS PLANNED. - BUT, IN AN UNUSUAL MOVE, - PRESIDENT TRUMP WILL GIVE HIS - ACCEPTANCE SPEECH IN A CITY YET - TO BE DETERMINED. - NORTH CAROLINA'S DEMOCRATIC - GOVERNOR ROY COOPER HAS SAID - THAT PANDEMIC CONCERNS MAKE A - FULL-SCALE CONVENTION VERY - UNLIKELY. - FORMER DEPUTY ATTORNEY GENERAL - ROD ROSENSTEIN CONCEDED TODAY - THAT THERE WERE MISTAKES IN THE - PROBE OF THE 2016 TRUMP CAMPAIGN

- AND ITS ALLEGED TIES TO RUSSIA. - HE SAID HE WOULD NOT HAVE - APPROVED SURVEILLANCE OF - CAMPAIGN AIDE CARTER PAGE IF HE - HAD KNOWN OF PROBLEMS WITH THE - WARRANT. - BUT AT A U.S. SENATE HEARING, - ROSENSTEIN DEFENDED TAPPING - ROBERT MUELLER TO LEAD THE - INVESTIGATION, AND INSISTED THE - PROBE WAS NOT CORRUPT. - >> I WAS CONCERNED THAT THE - PUBLIC WOULD NOT HAVE CONFIDENCE - IN THE INVESTIGATION. - I DECIDED THAT APPOINTING THE - SPECIAL COUNSEL WAS THE BEST WAY - TO COMPLETE THE INVESTIGATION - APPROPRIATELY AND PROMOTE PUBLIC - CONFIDENCE IN ITS CONCLUSIONS. - >> Woodruff: THE MUELLER PROBE - FOUND THE RUSSIANS DID TRY TO - INTERFERE WITH THE 2016 - ELECTION. - IT DID NOT ALLEGE A CRIMINAL - CONSPIRACY WITH THE TRUMP - CAMPAIGN. - PRESIDENT TRUMP'S DOCTOR REPORTS - THAT HE REMAINS HEALTHY, BASED - ON HIS LATEST PHYSICAL EXAMS. - TODAY'S STATEMENT ALSO SAYS THE - PRESIDENT HAD NO ILL EFFECTS - FROM TAKING HYDROXYCHLOROQUINE - FOR TWO WEEKS TO HELP WARD OFF - COVID-19.

- HOWEVER, A MAJOR NEW STUDY TODAY - IN THE "NEW ENGLAND JOURNAL OF - MEDICINE" SAID THE DRUG HAS NO - EFFECT ON THE CORONAVIRUS. - THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION WILL - BAN FOUR CHINESE AIRLINES FROM - FLYING TO THE U.S. - THAT ANNOUNCEMENT COMES - AFTER BEIJING REFUSED TO LET - UNITED AND DELTA AIR LINES - RESUME FLIGHTS TO CHINA, AS THE - PANDEMIC HAS SUBSIDED THERE. - BEFORE THE PANDEMIC, THERE WERE - ABOUT 325 FLIGHTS A WEEK BETWEEN - THE TWO NATIONS. - AND ON WALL STREET, STOCKS - PUSHED HIGHER AGAIN, ON GROWING - OPTIMISM THAT THE ECONOMY CAN - RECOVER QUICKLY. - THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE - GAINED 527 POINTS TO CLOSE NEAR - 26,270. - THE NASDAQ ROSE 74 POINTS, AND - THE S&P 500 ADDED 42. - IT IS NOW NEAR ITS ALL-TIME - HIGH, SET EARLIER THIS YEAR. - STILL TO COME ON THE NEWSHOUR: - WE EXAMINE POLICE PRACTICES THAT - OFTEN TARGET PEOPLE OF COLOR, - AND POSSIBLE REFORMS.

- A SOCIOLOGICAL PERSPECTIVE ON - THE DEEP RACIAL FISSURES OF THE - UNITED STATES. - PLUS, THE CRITICAL TAKEAWAYS - FROM ANOTHER PRIMARY ELECTION - DAY IN AMERICA. - >> Woodruff: THE PROTESTS HAVE - BECOME ABOUT MORE THAN JUST - POLICING. - BUT, THE BIG DISPARITIES IN - HOW LAW ENFORCEMENT TREAT - AFRICAN AMERICANS AND OTHER - PEOPLE OF COLOR-- AND HOW THAT - HAS LED TO TOO MANY DEATHS-- - IS AT THE HEART OF HOW THIS ALL - BEGAN. - WE ARE GOING TO SPEND SOME TIME - EXAMINING THAT AGAIN TONIGHT - WITH AMNA NAWAZ, AND A RANGE OF - VOICES. - >> Nawaz: JUDY, AS WE'VE SEEN, - THERE'S BEEN QUITE A DIFFERENCE - IN HOW POLICE OFFICERS HAVE - RESPONDED TO SOME OF THESE - DEMONSTRATIONS AND UNREST, - ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY HAVE BECOME - MORE CHAOTIC OR VIOLENT.

- HOUSTON'S POLICE CHIEF, ART - ACEVEDO, HAS BECOME KNOWN FOR - CONDEMNING FLOYD DEATH AND - WALKING WITH PROTESTERS EARLY - ON. - HE ALSO WAS CRITICAL OF THE - PRESIDENT, ARGUING HE SHOULD - "KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT" IF HE HAD - NOTHING CONSTRUCTIVE TO SAY. - BUT IN THE PAST DAY, SOME - PROTESTERS HAVE ALSO DEMANDED - THE RELEASE OF BODY CAMERA - FOOTAGE TIED TO A HALF DOZEN - HOUSTON POLICE SHOOTINGS THIS - SPRING. - ART ACEVEDO JOINS ME NOW. - CHIEF ART ACEVEDO, THA YOU FOR - BEING WITH US AND WELCOME TO - THE "NewsHour". - I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE - RESPONSE THAT'S GOTTEN SO MUCH - RT OF YOUR RESPONSE TO GET OUT - AND WALK WITH THE PROTESTORS. - WHY DID YOU DO THAT - >> FIRST OF ALL, I'M AN - IMMIGRANT, ENGLISH IS MY SECOND - LANGUAGE AND, QUITE FRANKLY, I - LIVE AND WORK AND SERVE A CITY - THAT IS THE MOST DIVERSE IN THE - COUNTRY, AND I WANTED TO FEEL - THE PAIN, ESPECIALLY WITH MY - AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY, AND - FOR THOSE WHO DON'T THINK THIS - COMMUNITY'S PAIN IS REAL, I - WOULD ASK YOU TO MARCH WITH THEM

- ANLOOK IN THEIR EYES AND LOOK - AT THE TEAF BEING SHED AND HEAR - THE STORIES AND YOU WILL BE - EMPATHETIC. - IF YOU'RE NOT EMPATHETIC SEEING - WHAT THE WORLD HAS SEEN IN TERMS - OF HOW GEORGE FLOYD DIED, THEN I - THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY PART OF - THE PROBLEM IN THIS COUNTRY AS - IT RATES TO POLICE RELATIONS - AND BASICALLY RACISM IN OUR - COUNTRY. - >> Reporter: YOU'VE TALKED - ABOUT CHANGING THAT POLICE - CULTURE AND THE LANGUAGE, YOU'VE - ALSO TALKED ABOUT THE NEED FOR - MORE DEESCALATIOTRAINING, AND - I WANT TO ASK YOU IN RESPONSE TO - WHAT WE'VE SEEN ACROSS THE - COUNTRY FROM SOME POLICE - DEPARTMENTS TO SET ASIDE THE - POCKETS OF LOOTING AND VIOLENCE, - THE VAST MARITY OF THE - DEMONSTRATIONS HAVE BEEN LARGELi - PEACEFUL, EVEN AS THEY'VE GROWN, - AND YET WE'VE SEEN AGAIN AN - AGAIN IN IMAGE AFTER IMAGE THAT - PEACEFUL DEMONSTRATORS WITH - SIS AND BULL HORNS ARE MET - WITH A POLICE FORCE IN FULL RIOT - GEAR THAT LOOKS READY FOR - BATTLE. - HOW DOES THAT CONTRIBUTE TO - DEESCALATION? - >> WELL, HERE'S THE PROBLEM -- - DURING THEAY, IN MOST CITIES, - PROTESTORS COME OUT, PEOPLE THAT

- WANT TO FOCUS ON THE DEATH OF - GEORGELOYD AND ON POLICE - MISCONDUCT AND MAKING CHANGE IN - THIS COUNTRY COME OUT. - BUT AS THE DAY GROWS LATE INTO - THE AFTERNOON AND EARLY EVENING - INTO THE NIGHT, THEN WHAT - HAPPENS IS TOO MANY PEOPLE COME - OUT WHO ARE MORE INVOLVED IN - ANARCHY, WHO WANT TO NOT - PROTEST, BUT THEY WANT TO - HIJACK, THEY WANT TO HIJACK A - LEGITIMATE MOVEMENT, WHICH IS - COUNTERPRODUCTIVE, AND, SADLY, - FOR POLICE OFFICERS, PEOPLE - AREN'T THROWING BOTTLES AND - ROCKS AND MOLOTOV COCKTAILS - UNTIL THEY'RE ACTUALLY THROWING - THEM. - ON FRIDAY WHEN THINGS START - FLYING, WE HAD ABOUT NINE - OFFICERS HURT. - SO I UNDERSTAND THE PERCEPTION. - IT'S A FINE BALANCE, BUT, AT THE - END OF THE DAY, WE HAVE TO KEEP - OUR OFFICERS SAFE AND THEIR - NUMBER ONE PRIORITY SHOULD BE TO - KEEP THE COMMUNITY SAFE - >> Reporter: I WANT TO GET - BACK TO THE VIDEOS WE REFERENCED - IN OUR INTRODUCTION BECAUSE AS - WE'VE SEEN VIDEOS OF YOU

- MARCHING WITH THE PROTESTORS AND - IN THE LAST DAY WE'VE SEEN - VIDEOS OF PROTESTORS AN WHICH - WITH YOU, CALLING YOU A LAWYER - AND MAKING REFERENCE TO YOU TO - RELEASE POLICE BODY CAMERA - VIDEOS. - ON THE SAME DAY GEORGE FLOYD WAS - KILLED IT WAS THE SIXTH FATAL - POLICE SHOOTING IN AS MANY - WEEKS. - EVEN THE EDITORIAL BOARD AT THE - HOUSTON CHRONICLE SAYS IT'S TIME - TO RELEASE THE VIDEOS. - SO WHY HAVEN'T YOU? - >> FIRST OF ALL, I THINK IT'S - IMPORTANT FOR THE COMMUNITY TO - KNOW THAT THE ONE THING THAT'S - MISSING FROM THAT NARRATIVE IS - ALMOST EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THOSE - OFFICER-INVOLVED SHOOTINGS - INVOLVED ARMED SUSPECTS THAT - WERE CONFRONTING OUR OFFICERS. - ONE HAPPENED RIGHT AFTER AN - 80-YEAR-OLD WOMAN WAS STABBED TO - DEATH IN A WALGREEN'S PARK LOT - WHO PROCEEDED TO ATTACK HER - OFFICER WITH A KNIFE, AND I - COULD GO DOWN THE LINE. - THERE ARE ALMOST ALWAYS - CONSEQUENCES TO OUR ACTIONS.

- THIS IS THE MOST DIVERSE CITY IN - THE COUNTRY AND IN THE EVENT ONE - OF THE OFFICER-INVOLVED - SHOOTINGS LEADS TO INDICTMENT, - IF WE RELEASE EVERYTHING, AND - THERE'S SO MUCH PRE-TRIAL - PUBLICITY, WE RUN THE RISK OF - MOVING THE TRIAL TO ANOTHER - COUNTY THAT IS NOT AS DIVERSE OR - PROGRESSIVE, THAT IS NOT AS - REFLECTIVE OF OUR JURY POOL, AND - THE WORST THING THAT COULD - HAPPEN IS WE HAVE A CASE MOVED - TO EAST TEXAS, WEST TEXAS, A - PLACE THAT ISN'T REFLECTIVE OF - THIS COMMUNITY THAT'S THE MOST - DIVERSE IN THE COUNTRY AND WE - HAVE AN ACQUITTAL. - THAT IN ITSELF IS A PROBLEM. - THE OTHER PIECE IS THAT WE'VE - HAD TWO FAMILIES NOW THAT ONE - FAMILY HAD DEMANDED RELEASE OF - THE VIDEO AND, AS SOON AS THEY - SAW IT, WE SPENT THREE HOURS - WITH THEM, SHOWED THEM ALL THE - VIDEOS, THEY DON'T WANT THE - VIDEOS RELEASED - >> Reporter: AFTER THAT - PROCESS IS COMPLETED, YOU WILL - RELEASE THOSE VIDEOS? - >> ABSOLUTELY, WITH THE - EXCEPTION THAT I WANT TO MAKE - THE ARGUMENT THAT, FOR THE - FAMILIES WHERE THERE'S NO - CRIMINAL CHARGES THAT DON'T WANT

- THEM RELEASED, I THINK THAT HAS - TO BE PART OF TH CONVERSATION. - , - AFTER ALL - >> Reporter: BEFORE I LET YOU - GO, CHIEF, VERY BRIEFLY, WE - MENTIONED YOU HAVE BEEN CRITICAL - OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S CALLING FOR - RAMPED UP USE OF FORCE TO - DOMINATE THE STREETS. - YOU'VE SEEN THE PROTESTS GROW - BIGGER IN THE DAYS SINCE. - I WONDER WHAT YOUR CONCERN IS - THE EFFECT WILL BE IF THE - PRESIDENT CONTINUES WITH THAT - KIND OF RHETORIC - >> WELL, FIRST, I URGED THE - IMMEDIATE -- I URGE THE MEDIA TO - QUOTE ME PROPERLY AND HAVE THE - PROPER CONTEXT. - I ACTUALLY SAID PLEASE, WHICH NO - ONE SEEMS TO BE PUTTING INTO THE - CONVERSATION. - I THINK I WAS PRET DIRECT WHEN - I SAID SHUT UP AND I REALLY - WANTED TO SAY BE QUIET. - BUT I KNOW FOR A FAC THAT MEN - AND WOMEN'S LIVES ARE ON THE - LINE. - THIS IS A TIME FOR LEADERSHIP - AND RECONCILIATION AND THIS IS A - TIME FOR A CALL FOR PEACE AND, - MOST IMPORTANTLY, IT'S A TIME TO - USE WORDS THAT DEESCALATE THE - SITUATION AND MOVES THE - CONVERSATION FORWARD, AND NO - ONE'S BETTER POSITIONED TO

- EITHER DO IT THE RIGHT WAY OR - THE WRONG WAY AND TO HAVE THE - MOST IMPACT ON THE PRESIDENT OF - THE UNITED STATES AND WE'RE - CALLING ON HIM TO BE AN AGENT OF - POSITIVE CHANGE IN COMMUNITY - RELATIONS - >> Reporter: CHIEF - THANK YOU - SO MUCH - >> THANK YOU. - >> Nawaz: LET'S FOCUS IN FURTHER - ON THESE QUESTIONS. - A FEW NUMBERS THAT UNDERSCORE - THE DISPARITIES HERE: - MORE THAN HALF OF ALL PEOPLE - KILLED BY POLICE ARE BLACK, - ACCORDING TO RECENT NUMBERS. - AND ONE OF EVERY TEN BLACK MEN - IN HIS 30s IS IN A JAIL OR - PRISON IN THE U.S. ON A GIVEN - DAY, ACCORDING TO THE SENTENCING - PROJECT. - NOW, TWO OF OUR GUESTS ARE - ENGAGED IN THIS CLOSELY. - TRACEY MEARES IS THE FOUNDING - DIRECTOR OF THE JUSTICE - COLLABORATORY AT YALE LAW - SCHOOL. - SHE WAS A MEMBER OF PRESIDENT - OBAMA'S TASK FORCE ON POLICING. - AND, SAMUEL SINYANGWE IS AN - ACTIVIST AND A POLICY ANALYST - WHO STUDIES THIS. - HE'S ALSO A CO-FOUNDER OF THE - GROUP CAMPAIGN ZERO. - WELCOME TO YOU BOTH AND THANK - YOU FOR BEING HERE. - SAM, WE HEAR THOSE NUMBERS, WE - REPORT THEM AGAIN AND AGAIN.

- YOU STUDY THE DATA, SO HELP US - PUT THEM INTO CONTEXT. - HAD THEY BEEN GETTING BETTER OR - WORSE OVER TIME? - >> SO, WE BUILT POLICE VIOLENCE - WHICH IS A MOST COMPREHENSIVE - DATA BASE BUILT IN 2015. - WE HAVE BEEN TRACKING EVERY - INCIDENT IN THE COUNTRY. - WE FOUND THE NUMBER OF POLICE - KILLED BY POLICE EACH YEAR HAS - NOT GONE DOWN SINCE THE PROTEST - BEGAN IN 2016. - ABOUT 11 IS HUNDRED PEOPLE ARE - KILLED BY POLICE EACH YEAR, - CONSTANT GOING BACK BEFORE THE - PROTESTS FROM 2013 AND GOING UP - TO 2019. - HOWEVER SOME CHANGES ARE - NOTABLE. - POLICE KILLINGS IN LARGE CITIES - HAVE DELINED ABOUT 30% SINCE - 2013. - MEANWHILE, POLICE KILLINGS HAVE - INCREASED IN SUBURBAN AND RURAL - AREAS - >> Reporter: POLICE OFFICER - LET'S TALK ABOUT THE POLICY - REFORMS BECSE A LOT OF PEOPLE - HAVE BEEN HEARING ABOUT THEM - AFTER VIDEOS DOCUMENTING THE - DEVASTATING NUMBERS WE TALKED - ABOUT.

- WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE POLICY - REFORMS, EVERYTHING FROM BODY - CAMERAS TO BANNING CHOKE HOLDS - AND STRANGLE HOLDS, THERE ARE - SOME PLACES THEY DON'T WORK IN - NEW YORK, EVEN IN NEW YORK, - WHERE THOSE KINDS OF CHOKE HOLDS - WERE BANNED AND THEY STILL GO ON - AND IN SOME CASES WITH IMPUNITY. - TALK ABOUT THE POLICY REFORM ON - THIS. - WHAT IS STILL NEEDED TO BE DONE? - >> I THINK WHAT'S NEEDED TO BE - DONE IS TO HAVE A NATIONAL - BASELINE STANDARD AROUND USE OF - FORCE. - I THINK SAM'S OBSERVATION THAT - BIG CITIES WHIFF A LOT MORE - RESOURCES TO ENGAGE IN POLICY - CHANGE AND TO ACTUALLY TRAIN - OFFICERS ON STRATEGIES LIKE - DEESCALATION, BANNING CHOKE - HOLDS, TEACHING AND TRAINING - OFFICERS ON HOW TO BETTER ENGAGE - WITH CITIZENS TO DEAL WITH THE - LEAST -- LEAST FORCEFUL - RESPONSE, USING CITATIONS RATHER - THAN ARRESTS, OR JUST TALKING TO - PEOPLE RATHER THAN CITATIONS, - THOSE ARE THE KINDS OF - STRATEGIES THAT BIG CITIES ARE - ENGAGED IN. - SMALLER CITIES DON'T ALWAYS

- NECESSARILY HAVE THOSE RESOURCES - OR ACCESS TO THE TECHNICAL - ASSISTANCE TO DO THAT WORK, AND, - IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS, THE - CURRENT ADMINISTRATION HAS NOT - DEVOTED RESOURCES TO DOING THAT - WORK IN THE WAY THAT THE COPS' - OFFICE AND THE OBAMA - ADMINISTRATION DID. - FINALLY, I THINK, WITH WHAT - YOU'RE SEEININ SOME OF THE - MAJOR CITIES, IS A CHANGE IN - ORIENTATION OF HOW TO DO - POLICING AS A GENERAL MATTER. - THAT IS, INSTEAD OF FOCUSING ON - FERRETING OUT WRONG DOERS AND - FOCUSING ON DETERRENCE-BASED - STRATEGIES OF GETTING PEOPLE TO - OBEY THE THROUGH THROUGH FEAR, - INSTEAD PEOPLE ARE FOCUSING ON - STRATEGIES THAT PROMOTE TRUST - AND LEGITIMACY. - A REAL CHANGE IN THE JOB OF THE - POLICE OFFICER, AS WE KNOW IT, - BUT MORE NEEDS TO BE DONE - >> Reporter: SAM, THE BIG - QUESTION HERE IS ACCOUNTABLE AS - WELL, RIGHT, THAT WEN BAD - ACTORS, AS THEY AT A, ACT BADLY, - SOMETHING HAPPENS, IT SENDS A - MESSAGE. - WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE THE - ACCOUNTABLE FACTOR, WHAT STANDS - IN THE WAY OF THAT - ACCOUNTABILITY AND HOW CAN THAT - PART OF THIS BE FIXED?

- >> SO NATIONWIDE, ONLY 7% OF ALL - REPORTED EXCESSIVE FORCE RESULTS - IN AN OFFICER BEING HELD - ACCOUNTABLE ACCORDING TO THE - BUREAU OF JUSTICE STATISTICS. - WHICH MEANS IN 93% OF THE CASES - WHERE CITIZENS REPORT MISCONDUCT - INVOLVING FORCE OFFICERS AREN'T - DISCIPLINED. - TO UNDERSTAND WHY THAT IS - OCCURRING, WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT - THE SYSTEMS AND STRUCTURES OF - ACCOUNTABILITY AND THE WAY IN - WHICH POLICE UNIONS IN - PARTICULAR PLAY AN OUTSIZED ROLE - IN INFORMING WHAT THOSE - STRUCTURES LOOKED LIKE. - WE LOOKED AT 100 LARGEST CITIES - IN THE COUNTRY AND EXAMINED THE - POLICE UNION CONTRACTS, THE - CONTRACTS BETWEEN THE POLICE - UNION AND THE CITY WHICH ARE - USUALLY IN EFFECT EVERY FOUR - YEARS AND GET RENEGOTIATED. - WE FOUND IN CONTRACTS LIKE IN - CITIES LIKE CHICAGO, POLICE - MISCONDUCT RECORDS ARE DESTROYED - EVERY FIVE YEARS, AND BETWEEN - EVERY ONE AND TWO YEARS. - THOSE PLACES WITH CONTRACTS ARE

- LESS LIKELY TO HOLD OFFICERS - ACCOUNTABLE, MORE LIKELY TO HAVE - MISCONDUCT AND MORE LIKELY TO - SHOOPEOPLE. - WE NEED TO TALK ABOUT SHAPING - THE WAY IN WHICH COMMUNITIES CAN - POSSIBLY HOLD POLICE - ACCOUNTAE, EVEN IF YOU HAVE - THE BEST POLICE CHIEF AND MAYOR, - IN MANY CASES THEY ARE LIMITED - IN WHAT THEY CAN DO BECAUSE THE - ACCOUNTILITY STEM HAS - ALREADY BEEN NEGOTIATED AWAY AND - THE UNIONS HAVE VETO POWER OVER - CHANGES TO THE STRUCTURE - >> Reporter: I APOLOGIZE FOR A - BIG QUESTION WITH A FEW SECONDS - LEFT, BUT YOU TALKED ABOUT THE - NEED NOT ONLY FOR PALSY CHANGE - BUT CULTURE CHANGE, WHERE DOES - THAT BEGIN? - >> THAT BEGINS WITH MAKING AN - EFFORT TO ACHIEVE SOME OF THE - THINGS THAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT - TODAY. - IT REQUIRES THE FAC THAT WE NEED - TO HAVE A SERIOUS DELIBERATIVE - DEMOCRATIC CONVERSATION ABOUT - THE SHAPE OF POLICING AND THE - CONTEXT OF THE STATE WHOSE JOB - IT IS TO SUPPORT ITS CITIZENS - AND -- IN ENSURING THE VITALITY - OF THEIR COMMUNITIES, AND THAT - THE NOT JUST A CONVERSATION

- ABOUT WHAT POLICE DO, IT'S A - CONVERSATION ABOUT THE SHAPE OF - PUBLIC EDUCATION, HEALTHCARE, - HOUSING, ALL OF THESE THINGS ARE - RELATED. - SO WHEN PEOPLE E FOCUSING ON - POLICING RIGHT NOW, THEY NEED - TOWNS THAT IS THE TIP OF THE - ICEBERG IN TERMS TO HAVE WAY -- - IN TERMS OF THE WAY IN WHICH - PEOPLE REACT WITH THE STATE - >> Reporter: PROFESSOR TRACEY - MEARES OF YALE LAW SCHOOLS AND - SAMUEL SINYANGWE OF CAMPAIGN - ZERO. - THANKS FOR BEING WITH US - >> THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: WHILE THE COVID-19 - PANDEMIC CONTINUES TO OCCUPY - CENTER STAGE, WHAT SOME ARE - CALLING A DIFFERENT VIRUS-- - STRUCTURAL RACISM-- IS NOW FRONT - AND CENTER. - WE TURN TO SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT - CHARLAYNE HUNTER-GAULT FOR THE

- LAST IN OUR "RACE MATTERS" - SERIES, LOOKING AT SOLUTIONS TO - RACISM. - >> Reporter: MORE THAN 100,000 - AMERICANS HAVE DIED FROM THE - COVID-19 PANDEMIC, THE VAST - MAJORITY OF THEM AFRICAN - AMERICANS. - BUT, STUDIES ALSO SHOW THAT THIS - GROUP-- ESPECIALLY BLACK MEN AND - BOYS-- FACE THE HIGHEST RISK OF - BEING KILLED BY POLICE, THREE - TIMES HIGHER THAN WHITES. - AS CITIES NATIONWIDE BOIL OVER - IN PROTEST AT THESE TWIN - EPIDEMICS, ONE EXPERT SAYS - SOLUTIONS LIE NOT ONLY WITH - SYSTEMIC REFORM, BUT WITH - INDIVIDUAL FAMILIES. - SHE IS MARGARET HAGERMAN, AN - ASSISTANT PROFESSOR OF SIOLOGY - AT MISSISSIPPI STATE UNIVERSITY, - AND THE AUTHOR OF "WHITE KIDS: - GROWING UP WITH PRIVILEGE IN A - RACIALLY DIVIDED AMERICA." - SHE SPENT TWO YEARS EMBEDDED - WITH WHITE FAMILIES IN A - MIDWESTERN TOWN, LOOKING INTO - THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN WHITE - PRIVILEGE AND RACISM, EVEN IN - FAMILIES THAT VIEW THEMSELVES AS - PROGRESSIVE. - MAGGIE HAGERMAN, THANK YOU SO - MUCH FOR JOINING US. - >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING - ME. - >> Reporter: IT WAS AFTER GRAD - SCHOOL THAT YOU EMBEDDED - YOURSELF IN AN ALL-WHITE

- COMMUNITY SOMEWHERE IN THE - MIDWEST-- THAT REMAINS - ANONYMOUS, UNDERSTANDABLY. - HOW DID YOU PRESENT YOURSELF? - I MEAN, DID YOU SAY, "I'M HERE - TO STUDY WHY YOU'RE A RACIST?" - >> NO. - I DID NOT APPROACH PARTICIPANTS - LIKE THAT. - AND SO, I WENT WHERE I THOUGHT I - WOULD FIND THEM. - AND WHEN I WOULD APPROACH - FAMILIES, I WOULD PRESENT THIS - PROJECT AS ONE THAT IS EXPLORING - HOW PARENTS PREPARE THEIR - CHILDREN TO PARTICIPATE IN A - DIVERSE DEMOCRACY. - THAT WAS THE LANGUAGE THAT I - USED. - IT WAS INTERESTING BECAUSE MANY - OF THEHITE FAMILIES THAT I - INVITED TO PARTICIPATE WOULD - OFTEN REFER ME TO THEIR FRIENDS - OF COLOR. - SO, LIKE, THEIR BLACK FRIEND, - THEIR BLACK NEIGHBOR, YOU KNOW, - THEIR LATINO COWORKER. - AND I THOUGHT THAT WAS - INTERESTING, THAT THEY BELIEVED, - EVEN BEFORE I STARTED COLLECTING - DATA, THAT THEIR CHILDREN WOULD - T HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT - RACE, BUT THAT THE BLACK AND - BROWN CHILDREN IN THEIR - COMMUNITY WOULD. - >> Reporter: WHAT WAS SOME OF - THE MOST SURPRISING THINGS THAT, - MAYBE SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT - THINGS THAT YOU LEARNED DURING

- THOSE... THREE YEARS, RIGHT? - >> Reporter: SO ONE OF THE - GREAT THINGS ABOUT EMBEDDING - MYSELF IN THIS COMMUNITY IS I - WAS ABLE TO REALLY DOCUMENT ALL - OF THE DIFFERENT WAYS THAT - CHILDREN IN MY RESEARCH LEARNED - PORTANT IS WHAT THEIR PARENTSE - DID. - SO THE CHOICES THATHEIR - PARENTS MADE ABOUT WHERE TO LIVE - OR WHAT SCHOOL TO SEND THEIR - CHILDREN TO OR WHICH - EXTRACURRICULAR ACTIVITIES TO - ENROLL THEIR KIDS IN, WHERE TO - TRAVEL, WHAT KINDS OF, YOU KNOW, - MEDIA THEY CONSUMED, ALL OF - THESE CHOICES HAD REALLY - ALL OF THE CHOICES HAVE REALLY - SIGNIFICANT IMPACTS ON HOW - CHILDREN WERE INTERPRETING THEIR - SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT. - AND SO, CERTAINLY FOR THE KIDS - THAT WERE LIVING IN THAT - SUBURBAN COMMUNITY, THEY, I - MEAN, THEY NER CAME INTO - CONTACT WITH A PERSON OF COLOR, - EVER. - EVEN THEIR KNOWLEDGE ABOUT - RACIAL DIFFERENCE OR ABOUT RACE - IN AMERICA CAME FROM THINGS LIKE - TV SHOWS AND MOVIES, WHICH WAS - INTERESTING. - AND SO I ABSOLUTY THINK THAT - PARENTS ARE SHAPING THIS - PROCESS. - >> Reporter: NOW, YOU SPOKE

- ABOUT SOME OF THE MORE - INTEGRATED COMMUNITIES, BUT - THOSE PREDOMINANTLY WHITE - COMMUNITIES, IN THE SCHOOLS, - WERE THEY TEACHING AFRICAN - AMERICAN HISTORY? - >> THEY WERE NOT RECEIVING AS - CRITICAL OF AN EDUCATION ON THE - HISTORY OF RACISM IN AMERICA, OR - AFRICAN AMERICAN HISTORY, - CERTAINLY. - AND THIS WAS APPARENT BASED ON - THE THINGS THAT THEY SAID. - ONE OF THE QUOTES IN THE VERY - BEGINNING OF THE BOOK IS FROM A - CHILD WHO TELLS ME THAT, "SINCE - MARTIN LUTHER KING AND ELEANOR - ROOSEVELT, AND HOW SHE WENT ON - THE BUS AND SHE WAS AFRICAN - AMERICAN AND SAT ON THE WHITE - PART, AFTER THE 1920s AND ALL - THAT, THINGS CHANGED." - AND SO I THOUGHT THAT WAS A - REALLY COMPELLING QUOTE, BECAUSE - IT DEMONSTRATES, YOU KNOW, JUST - HER LACK OF KNOWLEDGE. - AND THEN HER MOTHER WAS SITTING - THERE WHEN SHE SAID IT AND SHE - WAS LIKE, "YES, TELL IT, TELL - HER, YOU KNOW, TELL HER WHAT YOU - KNOW." - >> Reporter: YOU KNOW, THIS - COVID-19 PANDEMIC HAS UNLEASHED - A LOT OF INFORMATION THAT PEOPLE - MAY NOT HAVE BEEN AWARE OF, AND

- THAT IS THAT, AT THE MOMENT, THE - MAJORITY OF PEOPLE WHO ARE - GETTING INFECTED BY THE VIRUS - AND WHO ARE DYING ARE PEOPLE OF - COLOR, PRIMARILY BLACK PEOPLE. - DO YOU THINK THAT THE ATTENTION - THAT'S BEEN PAID TO THAT IS - GOING TO MAKE PEOPLE LOOK AT - AFRICAN AMERICANS AND PEOPLE OF - COLOR DIFFERENTLY? - >> YOU KNOW, ON THE ONE HAND, - PERHAPS PEOPLE WILL SEE THAT - THESE-- THESE NUMBERS, AND JUST - THE TREMENDOUS TRAUMA THAT THE - BLACK COMMUNITY IN PARTICULAR IS - FACING IN THIS MOMENT, AND - PERHAPS THAT WILL MAKE THEM - TAKE, TAKE RACIAL HEALTH - DISPARITIES MORE SERIOUSLY. - ON THE OTHER HAND, YOU KNOW, - I THINK THAT THERE'S EVIDENCE - THAT, YOU KNOW, PEOPLE HAVE - KNOWN ABOUT RACIAL AND RACIAL - HEALTH DISPARITIES FOR A VERY - LONG TIME. - LINDA VILLAROSA HAD AN ARTICLE - IN THE "NEW YORK TIMES - MAGAZINE," AND IN THAT, SHE - REMINDS US THAT W.E.B. DU BOIS - TALKED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, THE - SOCIAL CONDITIONS THAT LEAD TO - RACIAL HEALTINEQUALITY, IN

- 1899. - AND SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING NEW. - >> Reporter: SO, BASED ON YOUR - RESEARCH, THOUGH, AND YOUR - INTERACTION WITH PEOPLE WHO - OBVIOUSLY BECAME VERY - COMFORTABLE WITH YOU, IN YOUR - PRESENCE-- DO YOU HAVE ANY - SOLUTIONS THAT YOU CAN OFFER FOR - PEOPLE TO DEAL WITH RACISM IN A - MORE POSITIVE WAY? - >> WELL, I THINK THAT ONE OF THE - PATTERNS THAT I SEE, IS THAT A - LOT OF WHITE PARENTS BELIEVE - THAT SIMPLY TALKING TO THEIR - KIDS ABOUT RACISM WILL SOMEHOW - ENSURE THAT THEIR CHILD WILL NOT - REPRODUCE RACIAL INEQUALITY IN - THEIR OWN LIFE. - AND, I ALWAYS SEE THESE ARTICLES - THAT COME OUT. - I'VE SEEN A LOT RECENTLY THAT - HAVE COME OUT IN LIGHT OF THE - POLICE SHOOTING OF GEORGE FLOYD, - FOR EXAMPLE, WHERE, YOU KNOW, - PARENTS ARE BEING CALLED TO TALK - TO THEIR KIDS. - AND WHAT MY RESEARCH SHOWS IS - THAT TALK IS ONLY PART OF THE... - PART OF THE ANSWER. - AND, IN FACT, I THINK THAT - PARENTS, ESPECIALLY THOSE LIKE - THE ONES IN MY STUDY, WHO ARE

- WHITE AND AFFLUENT AND HAVE A - NUMBER OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF - PRIVILEGES, WHEN THOSE PARENTS - USE THOSE PRIVILEGES TO GIVE - THEIR OWN CHILD ADVANTAGES, THAT - ULTIMATELY REPRODUCES FORMS OF - INEQUALITY THAT ARE, YOU KNOW, - PART OF THE PROBLEM, TOO. - >> Reporter: BUT HOW DO YOU - CHANGE THAT? - BECAUSE YOU CAN'T TELL PEOPLE, - "STOP MAKING MONEY OR STOP - BEING, YOU KNOW, WELL-OFF." - SO HOW DO YOU DO THAT? - >> EVERY PARENT THAT I'VE SPOKEN - TO HAS TOLD ME THAT THEY WANT - THEIR KID TO BE HAPPY. - AND I THINK THAT TRYING TO GET - YOUR CHILD AN UPPER HAND AND AN - ADVANTAGE AT EVERY TURN AND - USING THE SYMBOLIC CAPITAL OF - WHITENESS AS WELL AS YOUR - ECONOMIC PRIVILEGE TO DO THAT, - IS ULTIMATELY NOT GOING TO LEAD - TO THE KIND OF FUTURE THAT IS - GOOD FOR ALL CHILDREN OR ALL - PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN THIS - SOCIETY. - AND I THINK THAT THE MOST - IMPORTANT THING THAT WHITE - PARENTS CAN DO IS EMBRACE THE - IDEA THAT ALL CHILDREN ARE - WORTHY OF THEIR CONSIDERATION - AND THAT WE SHOULD CARE ABOUT - OUR COMMUNITY. - WE SHOULD THINK ABOUT THE - COLLECTIVE GOOD.

- WE SHOULD FOCUS ON HOW WE CAN - HELP EVERYONE, RATHER THAN JUST - FOCUSING ON OUR OWN CHILD. - >> Reporter: FINALLY, HOW - IMPORTANT IS IT FOR PEOPLE WHO - ARE IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS TO - SAY THE RIGHT THINGS ABOUT RACE? - AND DOES THAT REALLY MATTER? - >> YES, I ABSOLUTELY THINK IT... - THINK THAT IT MATTERS. - IT'S IMPORTANT THAT PEOPLE WHO - ARE IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS AND - IN POSITIONS OF AUTHORITY TAKE - THE REALITIES OF RACISM, THE - LEGACY OF RACISM, THE-- THE DATA - AND THE FACTS THAT WE HAVE ABOUT - RACISM, SERIOUSLY, AND INCLUDE - THOSE IN NOT ONLY WHAT THEY SAY, - BUT ALSO WHAT THEY DO, IN TERMS - OF THEIR POLICIES AND HOW THEY - MOVE FORWARD AS-- AS A LEADER. - >> Reporter: WELL, MAGGIE - HAGERMAN, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR - JOINING US. - I KNOW THAT THIS IS GOING TO BE - VERY INSTRUCTIVE TO A LOT OF - PEOPLE. - >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING - ME. - >> Woodruff: AND PLEASE JOIN US - FRIDAY NIGHT FOR "RACE MATTERS: - AMERICA IN CRISIS," A PBS - NEWSHOUR PRIME TIME SPECIAL. - AT THE END OF THIS DIFFICULT - WEEK, WE EXPLORE THIS CRITICAL - MOMENT AND HOW WE MOVE AHEAD.

- >> Woodruff: IT WAS A REMARKABLE - CONTRAST YESTERDAY, IN THE - MIDDLE OF AN ONGOING PANDEMIC. - EVEN AS PROTESTERS TOOK TO THE - STREETS IN DOZENS OF CITIES, - VOTERS IN SEVERAL STATES WERE - MAKING THEIR VOICES HEARD AT THE - POLLS, BOTH IN-PERSON AND BY - MAIL. - IN FERGUSON, MISSOURI, WHERE - PROTESTS FIRST ERUPTED IN 2014 - AFTER THE SHOOTING DEATH OF - MICHAEL BROWN BY A WHITE POLICE - OFFICER, THE CITY ELECTED ITS - FIRST AFRICAN AMERICAN AND FIRST - WOMAN MAYOR. - ELLA JONES REFLECTED ON HER - HISTORIC WIN LAST NIGHT. - >> SO BEING THE FIRST AFRICAN - AMERICAN WOMAN, WHAT DOES THAT - MEAN? - THAT MEANS I'VE GOT WORK TO DO. - BECAUSE WHEN YOU'RE AN AFRICAN - AMERICAN WOMAN, THEY REQUIRE - MORE OF YOU THAN THEY REQUIRE OF - MYOUNTERPART. - AND I KNOW THAT THE PEOPLE IN

- FERGUSON ARE READY TO STABILIZE - THEIR COMMUNITY, AND WE'RE GOING - TO WORK TOGETHER TO GET IT DONE. - >> Woodruff: TO LOOK AT SOME OF - YESTERDAY'S ELECTION RESULTS AND - WHAT IT MEANS AHEAD OF NOVEMBER, - I'M JOINED NOW BY SOMEONE - FAMILIAR TO NEWSHOUR VIEWERS-- - IT'S AMY WALTER OF THE COOK - POLITICAL REPORT, AND HOST OF - PUBLIC RADIO'S "POLITICS WITH - AMY WALTER." - LET'S START WITH THOSE RESULTS - IN FERGUSON. - IT'S ALMOST LIKE BOOK ENDS. - YOU HAD THE BIG PROTESTS OF SIX - YEARS AGO WITH THE DEATH OF - MICHAEL BROWN AT THE HANDSF A - POLICE OFFICER. - SIX YEARS LATER, PROTESTS IN - FERGUSON MISSOURI OVER WHAT - HAPPENED IN MINNEAPOLIS. - IT'S A CITY STILL STRUGGLING - LIKE THE REST OF THECOUNTRY - WITH THIS ISSUE. - HOW IS IT THOUGHT THAT THE - ELECTION OF THIS WOMAN, ELLA - JONES, COULD CHANGE THINGS? - >> YEAH, JUDY, IT IS QUITE - REMARKABLE, AGAIN, TO HAVE A - FIRST AFRICAN-AMERICAN ELECTED - IN THIS WEEK IN A CITY LIKE - FERGUSON THAT HAS SO MUCH

- SYMBOLISM. - BUT WHAT'S ALSO REMARKABLE, - JUDY, IS HOW MUCH THE AMERICAN - PUBLIC HAS MOVED ON THIS ISSUE, - THIS ISSUE OF EXCESSIVE FORCE - USED BY POLICE, ESPECIALLY - AGAINST BLACK FOLKS, AND WHAT WE - SAW IN 2014 WAS ONLY A THIRD OF - AMERICANS THOUGHT THAT THE - POLICE USED EXECUTIVE FORCE WITH - AFRICAN-AMERICANS VERSUS WHITES. - IN 2016, IT WAS STILL ABOUT A - THIRD. - TODAY A NEW POLL CAME OUT, - MONMOUTH UNIVERSITY POLL SHOWS - THAT ALMOST 60% OF AMERICANS NOW - BELIEVE THAT EXCESSIVE FORCE IS - BEING USED AGAINST - AFRICAN-AMERICANS MORE SO THAN - IT'S BEING USED AGAINST WHITES. - AND I THINK THAT'S AN INCREDIBLE - MOVEMENT IN SUCH A SHORT AMOUNT - OF TIME. - I THINK A LOT OF THAT IS DRIVEN, - OF COURSE, BY THE HORRIFIC VIDEO - THAT MOST AMERICANS, IF THEY - HAVEN'T SEEN IT THEMSELVES, HAVE - HEARD ABOUT. - AND I ALSO THINK IT'S REFLECTIVE - OF THE FACT THAT A LOT HAS - HAPPENED SINCE 2014, EVEN IN

- FERGUSON. - IN FERGUSON, EVEN BEFORE THIS - ELECTION OF THE MAYOR, A NUMBER - OF AFRICAN-AMERICANS WERE - ELECTED TO THE CITY COUNCIL, SO - IT WENT FROM ALMOST ALL WHITE TO - BEING MAJORITY AFRICAN-AMERICAN - OVER THE COURSE OF THESE LAST - FEW YEARS. - >> Woodruff: SO, AMY, SO MUCH - TO TALK ABOUT THERE, BUT I ALSO - WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT IOWA. - VERY INTERESTING RESULT THERE. - REPUBLICAN CONSERVATIVE - CONGRESSMAN STEVE KING KNOWN FOR - MAKING CONTROVERSIAL STATEMENTS - OVER THE YEARS, ESPECIALLY WITH - REGARD TO WHITE SUPREMACY. - SO LAST NIGHT HE GOES DOWN TO - DEFEAT IN THAT PRIMARY IN IOWA. - WHAT DOES THIS SAY ABOUT WHAT - COULD HAPPEN IN NOVEMBER? - >> JUDY, SEEMS LIKE ALMOST TOO - MUCH OF A HOLLYWOOD SCRIPT, - RIGHT TO HAVE THE FIRST - AFRICAN-AMERICAN ELECTED IN - FERGUSON AND THEN TO HAVE - SOMEBODY ASSOCIATED WITH - ANTI-IMMIGRANT AND RACIST - STATEMENTS LOSE IN A PRIMARY IN

- IOWA. - IT'S NOT AS SIMPLE AS THAT, OF - COURSE. - NOTHING EVER IS IN LIFE OR IN - POLITICS. - THE CHALLENGE THAT STEVE KING - HAD ALSO CAMWITHIN HIS OWN - PARTY, AND HE WAS DEFEATED IN A - REPUBLICAN PRIMARY, IN LARGE - PART BECAUSE THE REPUBLICAN - LEADERSHIP ABANDONED HIM AFTER - HE MADE SOME OF THESE COMMENTS - IN 2019, BUT THEY WERE ALSO - ABANDONING HIM BECAUSE OF HOW - WEAK A SHOWING HE HAD IN 2018. - HE ALMOST LOST IN HIS VERY - CONSERVATIVE, VERY REPUBLICAN - DISTRICT. - THEY GOT BEHIND A STATE SENATOR - WHO'S ALSO VERY CONSERVATIVE, - WHO'S ALSO VERY CLOSELY TIED TO - DONALD TRUMP. - HE TIED HIMSELF VERY CLOSELY TO - THE PRESIDENT IN HIS OWN ADS. - THE CAMPAIGN THAT THE REPUBLICAN - OPPONENT TO STEVE KING RAN - WASN'T TAKING ON STEVE KING'S - PAST ANTI-IMMIGRANT OR RACIST - STATEMENTS. - HE DIDN'T MENTION THAT REALLYT - AT ALL. - IT WAS FOCUSED ON THE FACT THAT - STEVE KING HAD LOST HIS - PRESTIGIOUS COMMITTEE ASSIGNMENT - THAT REPUBLICANS HAD STRIPPED - HIM OF THAT.

- SO THAT WAS A BIGGER FACTOR IN - THIS RACE THAN THE STATEMENTS - THAT HE HAD MADE PREVIOUSLY. - >> Woodruff: AND NOW THAT SEAT - IS GOING TO BE ONE TOUGHER FOR - THE DEMOCRATS TO PICK UP. - >> THAT'S RIGHT. - >> Woodruff: QUICKLY, AMY, - JUST A FEW SECONDS. - THIS DISPUTE OVER THE REPUBLICAN - CONVENTION IN THE STATE OF - NORTH CAROLINA, WHERE IS THAT - HEADED? - >> IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S HEADED TO - A DIFFERENT STATE. - THE PRESIDENT WANTS -- THE - PRESIDENT WANTS A BIG - CONVENTION, AND HE WANTS A - CROWD, AND NORTH CAROLINA'S NOT - GOING TO GIVE IT TO HIM, SO HE'S - GOING TO FIGURE IT OUT, AND HE - WANTS TO SHOW AMERICA THAT HE'S - GETTING THINGS BACK ON TRACK AND - THE CONVENTION IS HIS WAY TO DO - THAT. - >> Woodruff: AMY WALTER, SO - MUCH TO TALK ABOUT. - THANK YOU VERY MUCH. - GREAT TO SEE YOU ON THIS - WEDNESY. - WE'LL SEE YOU NEXT WEEK. - AND WE WILL BE BACK SHORTLY WITH - FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA'S - RESPSE TO THE CURRENT CRISIS, - AND A NEWS UPDATE. - BUT FIRST, TAKE A MOMENT TO HEAR - FROM YOUR LOCAL PBS STATION. - IT'S A CHANCE TO OFFER YOUR - SUPPORT, WHICH HELPS KEEP

- PROGRAMS LIKE OURS ON THE AIR. - >> Woodruff: YAMICHE ALCINDOR - SPOKE TO MEMBERS OF THE FERGUSON - COMMUNITY BACK IN 2019. - THEY REFLECTED ON WHAT HAS - CHANGED FIVE YEARS ON, AT THAT - POINT, FROM THE FATAL SHOOTING - OF MICHAEL BROWN, AND WHAT STILL - MUST BE DONE. - HERE'S A SECOND LOOK AT THAT - "RACE MATTERS: SOLUTIONS" - REPORT. - >> Alcindor: A TYPICAL SUMMER - BARBECUE NEAR WHAT SOME SEE AS - HALLOWED GROUND. - IT WAS HERE FIVE YEARS AGO THAT - OFFICER DARREN WILSON SHOT AND - KILLED 18-YEAR-OLD MICHAEL - BROWN. - >> TO ME, THAT JUST-- LITTLE - PATCH JUST REMINDS ME OF EXACTLY - WHERE IT HAPPENED AT. - I CAN'T DRIVE OVER IT. - I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. - I DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN IT, - OR WHY, BUT I CAN'T. - I DRIVE AROUND IT. - >> Alcindor: FRAN GRIFFIN HELPED - ORGANIZE THIS EVENT AS PART OF - THE SOUTHEAST FERGUSONOMMUNITY - ASSOCIATION.

- THE GROUP WAS FORMED IN THE WAKE - OF BROWN'S DEATH TO PROVIDE - COMMUNITY SERVICES. - LIKE MANY OTHERS, GRIFFIN WAS - SPURRED TO PROTEST AFTER BROWN - WAS KILLED. - AND, EARLIER THIS YEAR, SHE WON - A SEAT ON FERGUSON'S CITY - COUNCIL, BECOMING THE FIRST - BLACK WOMAN TO REPRESENT HER - WARD. - >> WHEN MICHAEL BROWN JR. WAS - KILLED, IT CHANGED THE LIVES OF - SO MANY PEOPLE, NOT JUST HERE IN - FERGUSON, BUT THROUGHOUT THE - ENTIRE WORLD. - IT CHANGED MY LIFE. - I NEVER, EVER WOULD HAVE THOUGHT - THAT I WOULD HAVE BEEN A - POLITICIAN, BUT I FOUND - SOMETHING THAT I COULD DO THAT - WOULD HELP MY COMMUNITY. - >> Alcindor: BROWN'S DEATH - THRUST FERGUSON, A CITY OF - 22,000, INTO THE NATIONAL - SPOTLIGHT. - IMAGES OF POLICE IN ARMORED - VEHICLES FIRING TEAR GAS AT - PROTESTERS AND DEMONSTRATORS - SETTING FIRE TO BUSINESSES - FUELED INTENSE DEBATE. - NOW, AS ANOTHER ANNIVERSARY - APPROACHES, MANY ARE TAKING - STOCK OF WHAT HAS CHANGED. - JAMES KNOWLES IS MAYOR OF - FERGUSON. - HE'S ONE OF THE FEW REMAINING - CITY OFFICIALS FROM 2014. - HE REMAINS THE TARGET OF INTENSE

- CRITICISM, BUT INSISTS THE CITY - HAS MADE MEANINGFUL STRIDES. - >> WE HAVE A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT - OF NEW OFFICERS IN OUR POLICE - DEPARTMENT, A MUCH MORE DIVERSE - POLICE DEPARTMENT THAN WE HAD IN - THE PAST. - OUR COURTS ARE MUCH MORE FOCUSED - ON WORKING WITH PEOPLE TO NOT - GET CAUGHT IN THAT KIND OF CYCLE - OF BEING IN THE COURT SYSTEM - THROUGH TRAFFIC TICKETS OR - HOUSING FINES. - >> Alcindor: OF COURSE, MANY OF - THOSE REFORMS WERE MANDATED BY A - JUSTICE DEPARTMENT CONSENT - DECREE. - IN 2015, THE D.O.J. CONCLUDED - LAW ENFORCEMENT PRACTICES IN - FERGUSON WERE "SHAPED BY THE - CITY'S FOCUS ON REVENUE, RATHER - THAN PUBLIC SAFETY NEEDS." - IT ALSO DETERMINED THAT AFRICAN - AMERICANS WERE ARRESTED AT - DIROPORTIONATE RATES, AND SOME - WITHOUT PROBABLE CAUSE. - STATEWIDE, BLACK DRIVERS ARE - STILL NEARLY TWICE AS LIKELY AS - OTHERS TO BE STOPPED. - IN FERGUSON, THE DISPARITY IN - TRAFFIC STOPS OF BLACK DRIVERS - HAS ALSO INCREASED BY 5% SINCE - 2013. - YET FERGUSON HAS REDUCED ITS - TICKETING. - IN 2014, THE CITY ISSUED NEARLY - 12,000 TICKETS. - MOST WE FOR MINOR MUNICIPAL

- CODE VIOLATIONS. - IN 2017, THAT NUMBER WAS UNDER - 2,000. - NOW, REVENUE HAS FALLEN FROM - NEARLY $2 MILLION IN 2014 TO - JUST UNDER $400,000 IN 2017. - THE MUNICIPAL COURT S ALSO - VACATED NEARLY 10,000 ARREST - WARRANTS. - THERE HAVE ALSO BEEN BROADER - CHANGES. - LAST YEAR, WESLEY BELL WAS - ELECTED ST. LOUIS COUNTY - PROSECUTOR. - THE FORMER FERGUSON CITY - COUNCILMAN DEFEATED LONGTIME - BOB McCULLOCH, WHO DECLINED TO - INDICT OFFICER WILSON. - >> IT WAS MORE OF THE TYPICAL - "INCARCERATE YOUR WAY OUT OF - EVERY PROBLEM." - SOMEONE IS STRUGGLING TO PAY - CHILD SUPPORT, PUT HIM ON - PROBATION OR LOCK THEM UP. - SOMEONE HAS A DRUG ISSUE, PUT - HIM ON PROBATION OR LOCK THEM - UP. - AND THAT EXACERBATES THE - PROBLEM. - >> Alcindor: INSTEAD, HE IS - PRIORITIZING PRE-TRIAL DIVERSION - PROGRAMS, SH BAIL REFORM, AND - DECRIMINALIZING LOW-LEVEL DRUG - CHARGES.

- THERE ARE ILL SERIOUS - QUESTIONS OVER JUST HOW MUCH - CHANGE HAS COME TO FERGUSON. - STORE FRONTS LIKE THESE REMAIN - SHUTTERED, AND DEVELOPMENT IS - SLOW. - AND, THERE ARE STILL STARK - RACIAL DIVISIONS AND DEEP - TENSIONS BETWEEN THE COMMUNITY - AND POLICE. - COUNCILWOMAN GRIFFIN WORRIES THE - THIRD WARD, WHICH HAS THE - HIGHEST PERCENTAGE OF BLACK - RESIDENTS AND THE LOWEST INCOME - LEVELS, IS NOT GETTING ENOUGH - RESOURCES. - LAST WEEK, A MISSOURI NONPROFIT - ANNOUNCED PLANS FOR A NEW - DEVELOPMENT PROJECT. - IT WILL INCLUDE A HEALTH CARE - CENTER AND POSSIBLY A GROCERY - STORE. - STILL, SOME IN THE CITY - REMAIN DEEPLY WORRIED ABOUT - INTERACTIONS WITH THE POLICE - AND RACIAL PROFILING. - >> IF ANYTHING, IT FEELS THE - SAME. - YOU KNOW, I DON'T FEEL LIKE - NOTHING DIFFERENT. - I DON'T FEEL LIKE IT'S ENHANCED - OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. - I DON'T EVEN FEEL LIKE I CAN - CALL THE POLICE TO SAVE MYSELF - >> Alcindor: MARCUS HICKS AND - TRAVIS BOWL, BOTH 22, LIVE IN - FERGUSON, AND SAW THE PROTESTS - HERE IN 2014. - >> LIKE, BEING A BLACK MALE, - IT'S JUST-- LIKE, I FEEL LIKE - IT'S-- IT'S JUST LIKE, IT'S - NEVER GOING TO CHANGE. - LIKE, THEY'RE GOING TO FOREVER - THINK WE'RE ON SOME TYPE OF B.S. - OR SOME TYPE OF GANG-BANGER - STUFF AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

- >> Alcindor: YET SOME WRONGLY - BELIEVE BLACK RESIDENTS DESERVE - EXTRA SCRUTINY. - >> IF YOU WATCH HOW SOME OF - THESE PEOPLE DRIVE, YOU KNOW - WHAT-- YOU KNOW WHAT COLOR THEY - ARE. - I'M NOT PREJUDICED, BUT WE CAN - TELL BY THE WAY THEY DRIVE. - >> Alcindor: JUDY McCARTY HAS - LIVED IN FERGUSON SINCE SHE WAS - TWO AND LIVES JUST BLOCKS FROM - WHERE BROWN WAS KILLED. - AND WHILE HER HUSBAND WILLIAM - SAYS SOME COURT REFORMS WERE - NEEDED... - >> WHEN YOU COME IN TO PAY A - TICKET, AND YOU HAVE GOT FOUR - OTHER OUTSTANDING WARRANTS, AND - THEY PUT YOU IN JAIL, YOU CAN'T - PAY YOUR FINE IF YOU'RE IN JAIL. - YOU'RE NOT GOING TO BE WORKING. - >> Alcindor: STILL, THEY WORRY - THINGS HE GONE TOO FAR. - >> LET'S NOT GO THE OPPOSITE - WAY, WHERE THE-- THE WAY THERE - SEEMED TO BE GOING NOW, AND - THERE'S NO PUNISHMENT FOR - ABUSING THE LAW. - >> RIGHT. - >> Alcindor: AT THE SAME TIME, - FERGUSON'S INDEPENDENT MONITOR - TESTIFIED THE CITY NEEDS TO DO - MORE TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENT - POLICY CHANGES, INCLUDING NEW - POLICE TRAINING. - BUT MAYOR KNOWLES SAYS THE COSTS - ARE TOO HIGH, WHICH HAS RANKLED - MANY ACTIVISTS.

- >> THERE IS NO POLICE DEPARTMENT - IN MISSOURI, VERY FEW IN THIS - COUNTRY, THAT DO ALL OF THE - THINGS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY OUR - CONSENT DECREE. - WE HAVE TO GO THROUGH MORE - HOOPS. - WE HAVE TO ENDURE MORE TRAINING, - MORE SCRUTINY. - >> Alcindor: GRIFFIN SAYS IT'S - THAT KIND OF SENTIMENT THAT - MAKES HER CONCERNED THE CITY MAY - REVERT TO ITS OLD PRACTICES. - BUT SHE'S ALSO CONFIDENT IN THE - MOMENTUM OF THE LAST FIVE YEARS. - >> WHENEVER I PASS UP THE SPACE, - LIKE, IT'S A CONSTANT REMINDER - OF THE-- WHAT MY - RESPONSIBILITIES ARE. - IT'S A CONSTANT REMINDER OF THE - PAIN THAT AN ENTIRE COMMUNITY - FELT. - AND IT'S JUST A CONSTANT THAT WE - HAVE GOT TO KEEP FIGHTING. - >> Alcindor: FOR THE PBS - NEWSHOUR, I'M YAMICHE ALCINDOR - IN FERGUSON, MISSOURI. - >> Woodruff: AND A NEWS UPDATE - BEFORE WE GO. - FORMER U.S. SECRETARY OF DEFENSE

- JAMES MATTIS IS CONDEMNING THE - PRESIDENT, WHO NAMED HIM TO THAT - POSITION, FOR DIVIDING THE - COUNTRY. - WRITING IN "THE ATLANTIC," - MATTIS SAID THAT PRESIDENT - TRUMP'S RESPONSE TO THESE - PROTESTS HAS BEEN "AN ABUSE OF - EXECUTIVE AUTHORITY" AND THAT - MR. TRUMP IS A THREAT TO THE - CONSTITUTION. - FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA - ALSO SPOKE OUT ABOUT THE DEATH - OF GEORGE FLOYD. - MR. OBAMA'S REMARKS CAME DURING - A VIRTUAL TO HALL, DURING - WHICH HE SPOKE DIRECTLY TO YOUNG - PEOPLE OF COLOR AFFECTED BY - RACIAL INJUSTICE AND VLENCE. - YOU CAN WATCH THE FULL VIDEO ON - OUR WEBSITE, pbs.org/newshour. - BUT FIRST, HERE IS AN EXCERPT. - >> I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOU - MATTER. - I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR - LIVES MATTER, THAT YOUR DREAMS - MATTER. - MATTER AND, WHEN I GO HOME AND I - LOOK AT THE FACES OF MY - DAUGHTERS, SASHA AND MALIA, AND - I LOOK AT MY NEPHEWS AND NIECES, - I SEE LIMITLESS POTENTIAL THAT - DESERVES TO FLOURISH AND THRIVE, - AND YOU S - YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO LEARN AND

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