New Dimensions; The Corporate State; Part 4

<v Michael Toms>Well, that's part of it getting by with a little help from our friends. <v Michael Toms>I'm talking with Charles Reich and we're exploring the dimensions and parameters <v Michael Toms>and potentially our potentialities of the corporate state and the realities of the <v Michael Toms>corporate state. And we're in the process of taking phone calls. <v Michael Toms>And our number here is 6-2-1-1-1-2-6. <v Michael Toms>And we have lots of calls. So if you try and keep trying to line may open as we continue <v Michael Toms>to take the calls. Hello, you're on the air. <v Caller 1>Hello Michael <v Michael Toms>Hi. <v Caller 1>This is Sharra from ?Richmond? <v Michael Toms>Hi Sharra <v Caller 1>And hello to Charles. [Charles Reich: Hello] I love New Dimensions, and I want to say <v Caller 1>that I'd like to donate $400 if this will be matched by other listeners who will give <v Caller 1>$100. <v Michael Toms>Oh, that's great. <v Caller 1>So I just want to put that out, and I love you all. <v Michael Toms>Thank you. <v Charles Reich>Thank you. <v Caller 1>You're welcome, goodnight. <v Michael Toms>Well, that's instant response, right? <v Michael Toms>Instant support. So you heard the challenge out there, listeners. <v Michael Toms>And it happened here spontaneously as Charlie was saying.

<v Michael Toms>Hello, you're on the air. <v Caller 2>Hello? <v Michael Toms>Hi. <v Caller 2>Hi. <v Michael Toms>What is your name? <v Caller 2>My name is Nancy. <v Michael Toms>Hi, Nancy. Where are you calling from? <v Caller 2>From Berkeley. <v Michael Toms>Hi. <v Caller 2>Hi. <v Michael Toms>You have a question? <v Caller 2>Yes, I- first of all, I would like to <v Caller 2>express my appreciation for the first time I have heard publicly <v Caller 2>favor the idea of mass communication <v Caller 2>of the public about the nature of the communication in this day. <v Caller 2>I think it's very exciting to even suggest <v Caller 2>the idea that people en masse can <v Caller 2>express their dissatisfaction with the quality of information <v Caller 2>and input that we get. <v Caller 2>My question have- I have two questions. <v Caller 2>One, this has to do with the American Indian struggles of todaythat <v Caller 2>are going on right now. I would- I- I hear

<v Caller 2>philosophy of the American Indian movement <v Caller 2>in this land. But I also have a question about <v Caller 2>how do you see the struggles that they're doing right now as it applies to your vision of <v Caller 2>our future society? <v Charles Reich> I- I just see <v Charles Reich>every sort of human rights struggle <v Charles Reich>as being part of unity. <v Charles Reich>That is it seems to me that that all the movements, the the ethnic movements, <v Charles Reich>the movements that like the women's movement, the <v Charles Reich>movements that involved the land that involved ecology, the movements that involve <v Charles Reich>traditions, native traditions, all of <v Charles Reich>these are an attempt to restore the idea <v Charles Reich>of America, which is an idea of infinite variety of <v Charles Reich>infinite riches in terms of human traditions.

<v Charles Reich>And this is what I- The context in which I would <v Charles Reich>place the the Indian struggle is that it's <v Charles Reich>a part of the attempt to to make us whole, to make us all <v Charles Reich>the things that we are and not just just one very, very narrow <v Charles Reich>and distorted and an arid and- and empty <v Charles Reich>version of America. So so I think the Indians struggle is enormously <v Charles Reich>important and enriching. <v Charles Reich>And in addition to everything else, it it reminds us that we are the <v Charles Reich>inheritors of something uniquely native and American that <v Charles Reich>makes us, you know, tied to our land and <v Charles Reich>that our own ways. So I just see it as part of this whole attempt <v Charles Reich>to make the American idea become real again. <v Caller 2>I see. I recently saw a film on the Pitt River Indian <v Caller 2>and saw that they were speaking from the culture that I

<v Caller 2>hear you envisioning and are trying to <v Caller 2>struggle, you know, real minority situation with <v Caller 2>?BPE? in New Mexico , again, and in South Dakota, struggling with uranium <v Caller 2>and coal and oil, corporate interests that <v Caller 2>are poisoning the land and the people that live there, the Indian people. <v Caller 2>And that was- that was why it inspired me. <v Caller 2>I heard your concerns and material <v Caller 2>concerns emerging when I heard you speaking your philosophy. <v Caller 2>I was interested to know if there is some way that you are available for <v Caller 2>communication other than this program. <v Charles Reich>Well, I'm in the phone book in San Francisco, and I try to spend <v Charles Reich>most of my time writing. I'm writing a third book, and I <v Charles Reich>try to spend most of my time doing that.

<v Charles Reich>And I don't mind occasional interruption, and sometimes <v Charles Reich>I'm- I'm very pleased to get one. But you've got to respect <v Charles Reich>the fact that most of the time I've got I work at my book. <v Charles Reich>If that's okay. Did you have another question? <v Caller 2>No, but thanks very much. <v Michael Toms>Okay. Thank you for your call. <v Michael Toms>Our phone number here is 6-2-1-1-1-2-6. <v Michael Toms>Our guest is Charles Reich. Hello. <v Michael Toms>You're on the air. <v Caller 3>Hi, my name is Eric from San Jose. <v Michael Toms>Hi, Eric. <v Caller 3>And I'm very glad to be able to speak to Charles Reich. <v Caller 3>That was one of my favorite books, The Greening of America. <v Charles Reich>Thank you. <v Caller 3>And it meant a lot to me when it came out, and <v Caller 3>I was wondering, the <v Caller 3>part of- the main aspect of the book <v Caller 3>that you wrote 10 years ago was the revolution <v Caller 3>of the new generation. And, uh, what you've talked about tonight,

<v Caller 3>it seems to be mainly Chapter 2 rather than Chapter 3 of that book or Part <v Caller 3>3. And I was wondering whether <v Caller 3>how you see the flower children, the, uh- however you want to <v Caller 3>describe that movement, whether you see it as <v Caller 3>continuing today, whether it has any future. <v Caller 3>And the second question is that you <v Caller 3>seem to be stressing tonight social action and <v Caller 3>economic issues and questions of equality and democracy. <v Caller 3>But the issue of The Greening of America seems to me the need to <v Caller 3>enhance changes of consciousness and transformation of consciousness <v Caller 3>as the main force of change of the future and <v Caller 3>the importance of quality of life, and authentic value, and

<v Caller 3>youth, and creativity, and, uh, I'm wondering whether that is still <v Caller 3>basic to your philosophy, as it seems to be to somewhat from the <v Caller 3>last- last- irrespoonsible last caller, and <v Caller 3>whether you still think that these are more important <v Caller 3>questions of employment? <v Charles Reich>Well, to start off with, yes, indeed. <v Charles Reich>I think that personal change and change of consciousness and the vision <v Charles Reich>are of fundamental importance. <v Charles Reich>I- I see The Greening of America as <v Charles Reich>a process and as an agenda. <v Charles Reich>It got its beginning in the late 60s. <v Charles Reich>They were even earlier seeds than that. <v Charles Reich>They were seeds in the 50s and there had been seeds before that. <v Charles Reich>But the real seeding perhaps took place in the late 60s. <v Charles Reich>The first stage it seems to me during the 70s <v Charles Reich>has been the stage of personal exploration and personal

<v Charles Reich>discovery. And we've had a decade that has seen <v Charles Reich>enormous advances in the area of personal <v Charles Reich>freedom I think. Now some people have given <v Charles Reich>that exploration a bad name. <v Charles Reich>Some people have called it selfishness, narcissism and so forth. <v Charles Reich>Well, I don't see it that way. <v Charles Reich>It seems to me that if there's going to be personal exploration, it's going to <v Charles Reich>have to start with the self and it's going to have to go in every possible <v Charles Reich>direction and of it's going to look silly. <v Charles Reich>And some of it's going to be open to ridicule. <v Charles Reich>But on the whole, I think the last decade has represented an enormous <v Charles Reich>amount of progress in personal terms. <v Charles Reich>Now I see the agenda as expanding to the creation <v Charles Reich>of a new community. And to create a new community, we have to deal <v Charles Reich>with economics. We have to deal with jobs.

<v Charles Reich>We have to deal with the way we are structured and govern. <v Charles Reich>And so they come along as part of the agenda of the greening of America <v Charles Reich>as well. It's my belief that in the 80s, the people <v Charles Reich>who were 18 or 20 or 22 years old in the 60s <v Charles Reich>are going to be taking over. <v Charles Reich>And I think as they take over, their values are going to take over. <v Charles Reich>I think the 80s are going to be the decade of community, the decade in <v Charles Reich>which the promise of. The 60s begins to be realized, <v Charles Reich>and I think you're going to see that the transformations that are taking place <v Charles Reich>so privately during the 70s are going to begin to have a great public <v Charles Reich>impact. In the 80s. <v Charles Reich>And so see, I didn't think the greening of America was going to all happen overnight. <v Charles Reich>I thought that it was going to happen the way that people change, which is <v Charles Reich>slowly, incrementally by the efforts that we make daily <v Charles Reich>in our lives to change. And we all know that we can't accomplish those things.

<v Charles Reich>All of a sudden, we all have to make a great effort for every <v Charles Reich>change that we make. I think that the progress toward the <v Charles Reich>greening of America has been far, far greater than the media <v Charles Reich>are willing to report or acknowledge. <v Charles Reich>I think that a fair report would say that there's been just a vast change <v Charles Reich>in the last decade. And I think that's only the beginning. <v Charles Reich>I think the 80s are when it's really gonna be something, because then <v Charles Reich>it's gonna be the people in their thirties and forties who who really were nurtured <v Charles Reich>in the 60s who are going to have the power in this country. <v Charles Reich>So I'm very optimistic, and I just don't believe what I read in the papers that's <v Charles Reich>all. <v Caller 3>Let's hope that they remember the values of 60s <v Caller 3>as they get into power. <v Charles Reich>I- I think that they will find that those values are real. <v Charles Reich>It isn't so much a case of remembering the values. <v Charles Reich>It's realizing that they are a better way to live, that they're a healthier

<v Charles Reich>way to live, that they're a happier way to live. <v Charles Reich>In other words, the values of the 60s can prove themselves <v Charles Reich>only in action. They can only prove themselves because yo- you lead a better <v Charles Reich>life and you're more- a satisfied person. <v Charles Reich>And if that isn't true, then those values aren't any good anyway. <v Charles Reich>So I hope to see them prove themselves in the only way that they can, which is by <v Charles Reich>being lived and being- by proving that the people who live <v Charles Reich>them are better off than the people that don't. <v Michael Toms>Thank you for your call. <v Caller 3>I certainly agree with that. <v Charles Reich>Thank you. <v Michael Toms>Our phone number here is 6-2-1-1-1-2-6. <v Michael Toms>Hello. You're on the air. First name, please. <v Caller 4>Barbara. <v Michael Toms>Hi, Barbara. <v Caller 4>Hi, Michael. <v Caller 4>[laughter] I'd like to say that I think that perhaps many people don't understand the <v Caller 4>urgency of what you're talking about when you say New Dimensions may not be <v Caller 4>here. I think you're not talking about much. You're talking [audio cuts out]

<v Caller 4>And I feel that those <v Caller 4>of us that are involved with you <v Caller 4>[Michael Toms: Yes] really do help support that. <v Caller 4>I would like to say I will send in 500 dollars. <v Caller 4>And I think what we're talking about <v Caller 4>tonight is social action. <v Caller 4>[Michael Toms: Yes] [laughter] And part of that is supporting the things that are our <v Caller 4>life support systems. <v Caller 4>And New Dimensions, I think, is a life support system in a sense that it makes <v Caller 4>us consciously aware of a great variety <v Caller 4>of portions of our <v Caller 4>society that many of us do not come in contact with otherwise. <v Caller 4>[Michael Toms: Yes] And I don't know how to say this to support you, because <v Caller 4>that basically is what I'm trying to do. <v Michael Toms>Well, you're it's coming through loud and clear.

<v Michael Toms>Very supportive. <v Caller 4>Right. I really I don't know how upset you are for <v Caller 4>letting people understand how really urgent it is that people come across <v Caller 4>right now. [Michael Toms: Yes] want New Dimensions to be here in and how much you want to <v Caller 4>hear with the process of the time increment that's involved. <v Michael Toms>Right. We're talking about weeks, not months. You're absolutely right. <v Caller 4>And I think that I'm - And I think weeks need to be one or two or three. <v Caller 4>Right. <v Michael Toms>Yes. <v Caller 4>OK. [laughter] <v Michael Toms>You got it. <v Caller 4>OK. <v Michael Toms>Right. And we got it. [laughter] Thank you. <v Caller 4>I think that really is important. And anyway, I'm- <v Caller 4>it is very important to me that you hang around. <v Caller 4>[laughter] <v Michael Toms>Yes. And it's very important to us that we hang around, too. <v Caller 4>But I- I really have not since tonight that <v Caller 4>this has been coming across in the fact that people need to come tonight and tomorrow and <v Caller 4>the next day and say, hey, here I am with my check and my dollars. <v Caller 4>Yes, I want you to be there.

<v Michael Toms>Well, Barbara, thanks for your being there and saying what you said. <v Charles Reich>And thank you, too. <v Caller 4>Ok. <v Michael Toms>Thanks a lot. <v Michael Toms>Well, it's, uh- New Dimensions produces spontaneous <v Michael Toms>radio, and that's one of the principles that we've always supported, and it's wonderful <v Michael Toms>to realize that we have listeners out there who really support this kind of <v Michael Toms>communication, because the truth of the matter is- is that this kind of communication <v Michael Toms>happens all too little in the media, <v Michael Toms>in our culture and our society. And we certainly don't want to let this little <v Michael Toms>glimmer disappear. And so it's really important that each of us <v Michael Toms>honor those things that are important in our own life. <v Charles Reich>You know, not only is New Dimensions a support system, but it's also a <v Charles Reich>decontamination system. <v Charles Reich>To me, getting rid of the poisons is just an enormously <v Charles Reich>important part of our job of cleaning up America, cleaning

<v Charles Reich>up the American earth, cleaning up American air and cleaning up <v Charles Reich>America's thoughts, Americans ideas, America's imagination, <v Charles Reich>all of that decontamination, cleaning up the part of each <v Charles Reich>person that is individual and unique and and telling <v Charles Reich>people that they don't have to conform. They don't have to be like everybody else, that <v Charles Reich>their ideas are as valuable as anyone else's. <v Charles Reich>Those are jobs that only an institution like this can do. <v Michael Toms>Yes. <v Michael Toms>Hello, you're on the air. <v Caller 5>Hello. <v Michael Toms>Hi. What is your first name? <v Caller 5>My name is Lynn. I'm calling from my Willits. <v Caller 5>138 miles up the Redwoods Highway. <v Michael Toms>Oh, great. Hi, Lynn. <v Caller 5>Hi. I'm a senior citizen, 66 <v Caller 5>years old. And I remember in the days of my youth when <v Caller 5>there were umpteen private companies like Log Cabin <v Caller 5>FERA, one of hundreds have been gobbled up by the

<v Caller 5>General Food Trust in spite of a Sherman Antitrust Act, which <v Caller 5>was mentioned earlier on the program. [Other speaker: Uh Huh] And these are things <v Caller 5>I'm sure everybody can see and senior citizens my age must have had <v Caller 5>the experience of seeing all of these different <v Caller 5>outfits that have been gobbled up by one big conglomerate. <v Caller 5>Senior citizens would remember them as individual companies years ago. <v Caller 5>My question is, seeing this and knowing what's going on, what <v Caller 5>can I or anyone else do to break up these <v Caller 5>illegal trade? <v Caller 5>Why not try having the best legislators writers that money can buy? <v Charles Reich>Well, they have all the lawyers and they have the legislators, and they have the senators <v Charles Reich>and they have the congressmen, and all too often they have the governors and <v Charles Reich>the presidents as well. That is very true.

<v Charles Reich>On the other hand, your observation that this gobbling process is illegal. <v Charles Reich>That is also true. <v Charles Reich>It is true that all of these acquisitions could have been challenged <v Charles Reich>and could have been prevented. <v Charles Reich>And not only that, but the the law provides for what is called divestiture. <v Charles Reich>The law provides that courts may order that the <v Charles Reich>great big companies cough up all of these small companies and <v Charles Reich>return them to their independent status. <v Charles Reich>So your question becomes a question of of active politics. <v Charles Reich>You know, if you can get the the political <v Charles Reich>system to do what you want, the law is there on <v Charles Reich>the books and are ready to be enforced. <v Caller 5>Is there a lawyer that can expect them to institute a class action against these <v Caller 5>monopolies on behalf of people like myself and millions of other American citizens <v Caller 5>who are injured by it?

<v Charles Reich>Well, there are plenty of lawyers who could be expected to do that. <v Charles Reich>But there are very few lawyers who would win. <v Charles Reich>You won't win until you begin to have some political clout, because <v Charles Reich>it really depends upon that. You know, I'm a lawyer, and I have to tell <v Charles Reich>you that the law follows the elections. <v Charles Reich>The law is a political instrument and the law will bend with the <v Charles Reich>currents of power. And what I'm saying is not cynical, but it <v Charles Reich>really reflects the role of law in society. <v Charles Reich>A law is the servant of what people really want. <v Charles Reich>And until the people make themselves heard, it's going to serve the corporate interests <v Charles Reich>as it has ever since the last 50 years. <v Charles Reich>So you've got to get big and strong and tough and then <v Charles Reich>the law will begin to see things your way. <v Michael Toms>Lynn, thank you for your call. <v Caller 5>OK. All right. Thank you. <v Michael Toms>Mhm <v Caller 5>Bye <v Michael Toms>Those callers who are still on the line, we ask you to be brief because we're closing in <v Michael Toms>on the time that we have remaining here.

<v Michael Toms>So I ask you to please be brief. <v Michael Toms>Hello, you're on the air. <v Caller 6>Are you speaking to me. <v Michael Toms>Yes, I am. <v Caller 6>This is Andrew in Berkley [Michael Toms: Hi] I have two questions, very short ones, and <v Caller 6>Mr. Reich can answer this very briefly. <v Caller 6>One, I have a very strong feeling that we're going into a depression. <v Caller 6>[Charles Reich: Right right.] And the other thing is, do you remember Sinclair <v Caller 6>Lewis' book, It Can't Happen Here? Do you think [Charles Reich: Yes, I read it] we're <v Caller 6>going to get into a situation like that? <v Charles Reich>Well, what I think is that as this artificially created <v Charles Reich>depression comes down on us, there's going to be a very strong movement <v Charles Reich>to have powerful central control. <v Charles Reich>And I think that we have to be aware of that danger and we have to fight that danger. <v Charles Reich>I think it's a real danger. But I think that we can successfully prevent that. <v Charles Reich>But I really appreciate your alerting us to that danger, which is <v Charles Reich>going to be facing us in the next few years. <v Caller 6>I was afraid of that. <v Charles Reich>Yes. Well, you should be.

<v Caller 6>Thank you very much. <v Michael Toms>Thank you for your call. We have time to take one more phone call. <v Michael Toms>Hello. You're on the air. <v Caller 7>Hi, Mary from San Francisco. <v Michael Toms>Hi, Mary. <v Caller 7>And I just want to tell you that I got a solicitation letter from New Dimensions <v Caller 7>today asking for my membership, and I wanted to mention that there <v Caller 7>wasn't any note of urgency in the <v Caller 7>letter. <v Michael Toms>I know when that letter went out, it was- it was like before we realized the urgency of <v Michael Toms>it. So [laughter] <v Caller 7>And I just want to emphasize that to communicate the urgency. <v Caller 7>[Michael Toms: Yes] is a good idea. [Michael Toms: You're right.] And then the other <v Caller 7>thing was, oh, no, now I <v Caller 7>can't remember. [laughter] <v Michael Toms>[laughter] Well, that's perfect. <v Caller 7>What was it?Oh. <v Caller 7>I can't remember. <v Michael Toms>That's okay, Mary. Thank you for your support. <v Caller 7>Oh, I know what it was. <v Michael Toms>Aha.

<v Caller 7>I think that you should really stay on the air. What people can contribute <v Caller 7>like $25 membership, or whatever, because by saying for us to call <v Caller 7>you on Monday [Other speaker: Yes] I know a lot of people will just, you know- they <v Caller 7>forget to call. [Other speaker: Right. Good. <v Caller 7>Good.] You can do right now. <v Michael Toms>Yes. Uh-Huh, well we do have those memberships, as you mentioned. <v Michael Toms>And also I'm reminded that we had a caller earlier say that she would donate $400 <v Michael Toms>if we had four listeners who would match it with a hundred each. <v Michael Toms>I'm sure if there's another listener out there who'd like to match it with the four <v Michael Toms>hundred dollar contribution, that's possible too. <v Michael Toms>There are lots of ways you can help. And so those are just a few. <v Michael Toms>And we talked in our group meeting on Thursday about how if we had 50 people give us a <v Michael Toms>thousand dollars, we'd be out of trouble. <v Michael Toms>If we had 100 people give us five hundred dollars, we'd be out of trouble if we had <v Michael Toms>250 people give us $50 we [laughter] The combinations <v Michael Toms>are infinite, but you get the idea I'm sure. <v Caller 7>Yeah, that's great. Thanks a lot. <v Michael Toms>Thank you. <v Caller 7>Bye bye. <v Michael Toms>Bye. Well, we're coming down to the wire. <v Michael Toms>And Charles, it's really been good talking with you again.

<v Michael Toms>I want to say that. <v Michael Toms>Let me give- give our listeners our address as well before we wind up here, and <v Michael Toms>you can write to New Dimensions at 267 State Street, San Francisco, <v Michael Toms>94114. <v Michael Toms>Also, if you'd like a radio calendar of upcoming New Dimensions radio programs provided <v Michael Toms>that they're still there. We do have some calendars left, and you can write to <v Michael Toms>KQED, FM New Dimensions actually care of KQED FM and the address for KQED <v Michael Toms>FM is 508th Street, San Francisco, California 94103. <v Michael Toms>In Charles Reich's last book, The Sorcerer of Bolinas Reef, in <v Michael Toms>the closing pages of that book, he wrote, 'You have <v Michael Toms>only to learn simplicity, only to listen, only to act as you truly feel, <v Michael Toms>only to believe the thoughts you already have, only to acknowledge <v Michael Toms>your connection to others so that their thoughts and energy flow through you <v Michael Toms>so that their strength and love gives you strength and love to go forward.

<v Michael Toms>Only to accept help, only to give help, only to move <v Michael Toms>on the current of the universe. <v Michael Toms>Let us get up from where we're sitting under the cliff and start walking toward the reef. <v Michael Toms>The waves crash on the rocks and send spray that we can feel on our faces. <v Michael Toms>The wind bites, the sunburns. <v Michael Toms>Now we are standing on the reef itself. <v Michael Toms>From this hour, I ordain myself loosed of limits and imaginary lines. <v Michael Toms>I put on my magic robe, black and purple with gold and silver stars <v Michael Toms>and moons and zodiac signs. <v Michael Toms>I inhale great drafts of space. <v Michael Toms>I put on my tall, pointed sorcerer's hat. <v Michael Toms>I am larger, better than I thought. <v Michael Toms>I faced the western horizon, the limitless ocean, and bough humbly to all <v Michael Toms>the majesty that a smaller or greater or different than I. <v Michael Toms>These yearnings, why are they? <v Michael Toms>Then I turn and face the distant city and the country beyond. <v Michael Toms>I swear to you, there are divine things more beautiful than words can tell.

<v Michael Toms>It is open to the farthest horizon to know the universe itself as <v Michael Toms>a road, as many roads as roads for traveling souls. <v Michael Toms>It is a sunny and fertile land where our dreams can come true. <v Michael Toms>Out of the dark confinement and from behind the screen here we can <v Michael Toms>be discoverers again. We can explore. <v Michael Toms>We can create a new community. <v Michael Toms>We can experience wonder and magic and love. <v Michael Toms>We go through struggles and wars. Rebel! <v Michael Toms>My call is the call of battle. <v Michael Toms>I nourish active rebellion Down with the walls, flee the dying city! <v Michael Toms>We go. The road is before us. <v Michael Toms>Join me. I give you my hand. <v Michael Toms>You too, shall wear a sorceress cloak. <v Michael Toms>I give you my love. More precious than money. <v Michael Toms>That is what human beings can be. <v Michael Toms>Will you give me yourself. Will you come travel with me? <v Michael Toms>Now it is time to come home from the reef. <v Michael Toms>Walk back along the beach as the day ends.

<v Michael Toms>Stop at the place where the road comes down to the beach. <v Michael Toms>There someone has tramped out in the sand in giant letters, thank <v Michael Toms>you. Up the hill now in silence. <v Michael Toms>Calmly and quietly and reverently, let us enter <v Michael Toms>the new world. <v Michael Toms>This is Michael Toms on behalf of the entire New Dimensions radio family. <v Michael Toms>[Song: Theme from "Cosmos" Television Series by Vangelis]