New Dimensions; Brain/Mind; Part 2

<v Marilyn Ferguson>Well, what is this? You know, it's like people are doing their own thing, and yet they <v Marilyn Ferguson>don't realize that in the autonomy that many people are experiencing is also a new <v Marilyn Ferguson>willingness to cooperate. But in a different way, it's a- it's a provisional <v Marilyn Ferguson>joining of forces that I maintain my autonomy. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But I want to work with you. But basically, it's like we always did things with <v Marilyn Ferguson>hierarchies and organizations. OK, we want to work together. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Who's the president? Who's the vice president? <v Marilyn Ferguson>Let's appoint a committee. And I think what's happening now is that in the networking <v Marilyn Ferguson>form of, um, cooperation, it's not <v Marilyn Ferguson>hierarchical. It's very, very powerful because it can connect and <v Marilyn Ferguson>reconnect in many ways and because each person is responsible for <v Marilyn Ferguson>his own thing, that he doesn't yet have the others for resources so that there isn't that <v Marilyn Ferguson>kind of lopsidedness of power that happens in <v Marilyn Ferguson>the typical form or structure that we have politically in business. <v Marilyn Ferguson>One of the things happening in corporations, in fact, is one person <v Marilyn Ferguson>working in this area called the dismantling of the pyramid and understanding

<v Marilyn Ferguson>that- <v Michael Toms>?inaudible? America watch out, huh. [laughter] <v Marilyn Ferguson>People, uh, give their energy to a business, <v Marilyn Ferguson>to a- to an enterprise when they feel really part of it. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And, uh- when you awaken and then their own sense of self. <v Michael Toms>One of the things that you mentioned was that part of this evolution is the acceptance of <v Michael Toms>uncertainty. Does that mean the acceptance that there are paradoxes <v Michael Toms>is out there? It's always going to be there? <v Marilyn Ferguson>Oh, yeah. I think that's it. <v Michael Toms>God really does play dice with the humans. <v Marilyn Ferguson>[laughter] Does and doesn't. That's a paradox, right? <v Marilyn Ferguson>there is a- there is a theory in science that won the Nobel Prize <v Marilyn Ferguson>in 1977, which I think relates to this. <v Marilyn Ferguson>It's very exciting. And it was developed <v Marilyn Ferguson>by a- Nobel Prize went to Professor Ilya Prigogine, <v Marilyn Ferguson>a Belgian chemist, and Prigogine has related this theory to personal <v Marilyn Ferguson>and social transformation to in his lectures.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>And he's doing a book called On Being and Becoming. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And basically it's- it's this- it's called the Theory of Dissipating Structures. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And what he said was, and he predicted this sometime before it was proved, but <v Marilyn Ferguson>it has since been proved, that in an open <v Marilyn Ferguson>system like a seed, an amino acids, certain chemicals, <v Marilyn Ferguson>a person, a city even, but he was dealing with- with <v Marilyn Ferguson>chemical solutions, that theory is the transformation <v Marilyn Ferguson>that goes on because you're taking in from the environment, giving out to the <v Marilyn Ferguson>environment, and that there is this capacity for continuously <v Marilyn Ferguson>being transformed to higher levels of order. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And that whereas the second law of thermodynamics basically pictures the universe is <v Marilyn Ferguson>falling into entropy, into disorder. <v Marilyn Ferguson>There is this countervailing force which is moving to higher and higher levels <v Marilyn Ferguson>of order and integration. And that what happens is that when you perturb <v Marilyn Ferguson>a complex system, it has a chance to escape its steady

<v Marilyn Ferguson>state and move into a higher order of complexity and order <v Marilyn Ferguson>and organization. And that, as he put it, the nature of the laws of nature change <v Marilyn Ferguson>changes at higher levels of complexity, different rules. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And that is as strange as it sounds, as contrary <v Marilyn Ferguson>to, quote, common sense, as it sounds that if you then you stress <v Marilyn Ferguson>or perturb a system, then it will become more ordered. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But it has to be stressed or perturbed in order to be set free, <v Marilyn Ferguson>to be liberated, to go into another level. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And there was an Israeli brain researcher who was applying <v Marilyn Ferguson>this to and was launching a whole program to apply these theories to brain function <v Marilyn Ferguson>when he was killed by a terrorist in Tel Aviv in 1974. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And it's just now been kind of resumed in terms of brain research. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But the brain being the most complex bit of matter on the face of the earth <v Marilyn Ferguson>is obviously dissipating structure. And there is evidence certainly in the consciousness

<v Marilyn Ferguson>research that we do go through these perturbations and shifts <v Marilyn Ferguson>into a higher level of brain interaction. <v Michael Toms>Sounds like a scientific validation for the forces of good versus the forces of evil. <v Michael Toms>[laughter] <v Marilyn Ferguson>It's very zen actually. What he calls it is- And he made the point- Prigogine made <v Marilyn Ferguson>the point in some lectures he gave a year ago at the University of Texas. <v Marilyn Ferguson>I'm going down to Boston to interview him. <v Marilyn Ferguson>He's in this country until sometime in April. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And I want to do another special issue based on his thinking, because I think it's very <v Marilyn Ferguson>important and very exciting. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But he has talked about how this really is a validation of the vision <v Marilyn Ferguson>of the poets and the- the artists and the mystics. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And it's definitely a validation of the Eastern view of reality, the eastern worldview <v Marilyn Ferguson>that we are in a world of being and becoming, and that there- there <v Marilyn Ferguson>is in evolution there. <v Marilyn Ferguson>There are two forces. One is chance and the other is necessity. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Necessity is the thing, the stress that drives us to this next step.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>This next order- and it fits in with some current theories- alternative theories of <v Marilyn Ferguson>evolution that have been coming out of, um- there is a theory. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Stephen Jay Gould at Harvard and, uh- and Niles Eldridge of <v Marilyn Ferguson>I think it's now Natural Museum of History, independently evolved theories <v Marilyn Ferguson>that they call that have been called punctuated equilibrium- theories of evolution, <v Marilyn Ferguson>which says that a species evolved by way of stress <v Marilyn Ferguson>very rapidly by living at the edge of their natural habitat, <v Marilyn Ferguson>and that because they had moved into something that wasn't quite what they were <v Marilyn Ferguson>accustomed to, that that caused very rapid evolution. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And in a sense, at least metaphorically, if not literally, we can see that that's <v Marilyn Ferguson>happening to us. We are stressed. We are living at the edge of our tolerance. <v Michael Toms>Gives us hope for the future doesn't it. <v Speaker>[Song: Looking for Space by John Denver]

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<v Michael Toms>I'm talking with Marilyn Ferguson, the editor and publisher of Brain/Mind Bulletin.

<v Michael Toms>Mariylin, ee always hear that we're only using <v Michael Toms>very small percentage of the brain, 10 percent of our brain potential. <v Michael Toms>First question, do you know where that quote came from? <v Marilyn Ferguson>Yeah, I finally found out it was the culprit who said that. <v Marilyn Ferguson>[laughter] Everybody cites that. <v Marilyn Ferguson>William James said something to that effect. <v Marilyn Ferguson>I don't know about the percentage, but he was, I think, the first person who made that <v Marilyn Ferguson>point. And the problem with that point is that <v Marilyn Ferguson>it's um- people tend to think that there's one corner of their <v Marilyn Ferguson>brain, that they're using or something like that is really the significant thing about it <v Marilyn Ferguson>is obviously who can measure percentages and- and different people are living nearer to <v Marilyn Ferguson>their potential than others. <v Marilyn Ferguson>The brain has endless capacities for new knowledge, <v Marilyn Ferguson>information, transformations, and that we generally <v Marilyn Ferguson>lapse into a comfortable place and don't bother to get out of there. <v Marilyn Ferguson>It's like there are two

<v Marilyn Ferguson>different aspects of our human equipment or our human <v Marilyn Ferguson>repertoire that are in a sense play against <v Marilyn Ferguson>each other and we can go either way. <v Marilyn Ferguson>One of these is we have the capacity to turn off <v Marilyn Ferguson>pain, to turn off conflict, to repress it. <v Marilyn Ferguson>That one of the things that our brains have have a capacity for, which probably comes <v Marilyn Ferguson>from the days when we really needed that, you know, you're- you're injured, but <v Marilyn Ferguson>you have to escape in some kind of primitive situation so that you can turn it off, like <v Marilyn Ferguson>battle anesthesia as it is sometimes called. The same capability allows <v Marilyn Ferguson>us to put out of our minds any conflicts, paradoxes, pain, <v Marilyn Ferguson>discomfort or anomalies to shove them to the back of the mind. <v Marilyn Ferguson>You might say in a way that it's, and again this is just think of it more metaphorically <v Marilyn Ferguson>than literally, but it's like a left brain process for cutting off the pain, <v Marilyn Ferguson>emotion and confusion coming from the right brain.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>The right brain tends to mediate novelty. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And but let's just say our- our two selves are our multiple selves <v Marilyn Ferguson>that we can- we can push into the background things that need to be resolved. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And when we do that, it goes into the body. <v Marilyn Ferguson>It manifests as anxiety, uneasiness, psychosomatic illness or whatever. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But it keeps us in what has been called a comfort zone as <v Marilyn Ferguson>far as not having to deal with the new. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And yet we also have the capacity <v Marilyn Ferguson>of transforming all pain, paradox, conflict into something, <v Marilyn Ferguson>into something else. For instance, if you have literally- literally, if you have a pain, <v Marilyn Ferguson>if you injured yourself, you go into the pain, you really put a quality of <v Marilyn Ferguson>attention into that pain. That pain changes. <v Marilyn Ferguson>In fact, it usually disappears, but it changes, and the healing process is speeded up. <v Marilyn Ferguson>What this what I call the psycho technologies, meditation, hypnosis, psycho synthesis, <v Marilyn Ferguson>all those things, what they've done for us and anything that increases your awareness

<v Marilyn Ferguson>is they've given us a way of getting a better quality of attention to <v Marilyn Ferguson>allow all of that information to come forward so that it can be transformed. <v Marilyn Ferguson>That's why this rapid process of change begins to happen to people when they do that, <v Marilyn Ferguson>so that we have basically the biological possibilities of either repressing <v Marilyn Ferguson>change or going with it. <v Michael Toms>Have we developed this incredibly evolved mechanism called the brain <v Michael Toms>that we don't seem to be using much of it? <v Michael Toms>[laughter] How does it correlate to evolution that this incredible <v Michael Toms>mechanism of the brain that we keep hearing about, this wonderful, magical thing <v Michael Toms>that we're only using a very small part of? <v Michael Toms>How is that developed? And we haven't caught up with it. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Well, there's what Lyall Watson, who wrote a book called him Super Nature <v Marilyn Ferguson>Biologist. He's called it the catch 22 of the brain, which is that if <v Marilyn Ferguson>the brain were simple enough that we could understand it, we would be so simple.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>We couldn't. <v Marilyn Ferguson>The brain is incredibly complex and no serious brain <v Marilyn Ferguson>scientist expects to be able to understand it. <v Marilyn Ferguson>The more advanced the brain scientists, the more in awe he is of- of its <v Marilyn Ferguson>mysteries. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Just now, in the last couple of years, the research on these brain opiates, the <v Marilyn Ferguson>endorphins has just opened a whole new range of mysteries. <v Marilyn Ferguson>It's tremendous. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And what has happened is that we've had this incredible instrument, <v Marilyn Ferguson>but we had no way to know what it was capable of. <v Marilyn Ferguson>We thought, for instance, there are is, uh, DaVinci or there is Michelangelo or there <v Marilyn Ferguson>is Gandhi or something. Well, there are exceptions. <v Marilyn Ferguson>You know, we've- we haven't understood. It's like all these things have either happened <v Marilyn Ferguson>by accident. All of these these the people who- <v Marilyn Ferguson>who truly explored their potential and challenged it <v Marilyn Ferguson>and really did something with it happened almost in spite of our culture. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And I think it's because of this other- because of these two different aspects of our

<v Marilyn Ferguson>nature, the one that draws back from change, the ones it's afraid of change- <v Marilyn Ferguson>afraid of change, afraid of pain or fear of fear kind of thing. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And the one that is willing to explore. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Culturally, we have inhibited <v Marilyn Ferguson>that exploration. Our educational system doesn't do anything for- our educational system <v Marilyn Ferguson>inhibits it. I mean, a young child goes into the educational system and immediately it <v Marilyn Ferguson>begins closing in. Somebody said that unlike insects, human beings start out as <v Marilyn Ferguson>butterflies and end up in cocoons. <v Marilyn Ferguson>So that are- are our need to- our need to control. <v Marilyn Ferguson>I mean, that aspect of our consciousness, if we've got to be in charge, we're not willing <v Marilyn Ferguson>to kind of flow with anything has kept us from going with that potential. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But now we have- It's interesting. <v Marilyn Ferguson>There was always this difficulty of dealing with qualities rather <v Marilyn Ferguson>than quantities that how do you get hold on something like- how do you get hold on <v Marilyn Ferguson>something like genius or- or spiritual insight.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>And finally, by our quantitative little things <v Marilyn Ferguson>that we do in the laboratories and our sort of technological analytical <v Marilyn Ferguson>measurements, we finally are able to pull out just enough in the way <v Marilyn Ferguson>of quantity that we could see that there was this incredible quality there. <v Marilyn Ferguson>We could say all meditation does certain things for your health, that <v Marilyn Ferguson>certain consciousness altering processes have certain effects on the EEG. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And this little quantitative thing that we did began opening us up to this great <v Marilyn Ferguson>qualitative realm. And I think that the answer to your question basically is what <v Marilyn Ferguson>Teilhard said. We had to become aware of our evolution. <v Marilyn Ferguson>We had to recognize what a spectacular thing this brain is. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Before we could let it happen, before we could use it. <v Michael Toms>Why wouldn't it have devolved in the process? <v Michael Toms>I mean, we've been stepping on it for centuries, [laughter] why would it have just <v Michael Toms>started to progress? [laughter] <v Marilyn Ferguson>I don't know. It's it's a good question. Things don't seem to happen that way in <v Marilyn Ferguson>evolution, I guess. And maybe-

<v Michael Toms>Somewhere, somehow that brain evolved to match the species <v Michael Toms>that was therefore it at some point in the evolution. <v Marilyn Ferguson>It's almost as if it has been waiting and waiting for it. <v Marilyn Ferguson>That potential has been there. Well, it's part of it's a plastic interaction kind of <v Marilyn Ferguson>thing, for instance. <v Marilyn Ferguson>They didn't research maybe 10 or 12, 15 years ago at UC Berkeley. <v Marilyn Ferguson>That was very important on rats that showed that stimulation changed <v Marilyn Ferguson>the brains. It actually changed the the physio- certain physiological <v Marilyn Ferguson>aspects of the brains. <v Marilyn Ferguson>If you- if you have a baby, a human baby, and you interact with that <v Marilyn Ferguson>baby and you keep listening to it, giving to it <v Marilyn Ferguson>and so on. You can develop what we think of as a genius intellectual <v Marilyn Ferguson>giftedness because the potential is there, the synapses are there, the connections are <v Marilyn Ferguson>there to be made. You know, it's just it's waiting. <v Marilyn Ferguson>It's like Pygmalion or something <v Marilyn Ferguson>that the- the response- It's a very responsive organism.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>But our- Burton White of the Harvard Preschool Project <v Marilyn Ferguson>said recently another 10 percent, quote, to quote the William James one [laughter]. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Well, that probably only 10 percent of our children get the kind of environ- early <v Marilyn Ferguson>environment that they need to make the most of their capacities that <v Marilyn Ferguson>he found years some years ago, like a decade ago, they found that the <v Marilyn Ferguson>mother's interaction with the baby or that young child <v Marilyn Ferguson>made all the difference in the world between a child that was competent and able to deal <v Marilyn Ferguson>with multiple factors at once and so on. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Any child who was incompetent and it wasn't the amount of time the mother spent with the <v Marilyn Ferguson>child, it was the quality of the attention. <v Michael Toms>I think ?inaudible? Did a lot to popularize that notion to that it was so important a <v Michael Toms>young, young infant who we've often just kind of related to is just a baby- <v Marilyn Ferguson>Just a baby [laughter] <v Michael Toms>Just a little baby, you know and doesn't really know. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But there's consciousness, there.

<v Michael Toms>Incredible being here that's picking up everything when it comes into the world. <v Michael Toms>Absolutely everything. <v Michael Toms>And most of us wind up with. I think perhaps a lot of crutches out <v Michael Toms>of our childhood. We wind up as a mature cripples. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Absolutely. What happens, I think, is we're fragmented. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And that part of the transformative process for most of us as were growing up is putting <v Marilyn Ferguson>ourselves back together. And that as more people are conscious <v Marilyn Ferguson>parents now that the children growing up now may <v Marilyn Ferguson>not need as much putting together that they will have, um- They'll <v Marilyn Ferguson>grow up more intact and who knows where they can go. <v Michael Toms>Lots of possibilities with that one. <v Michael Toms>You mentioned again a little earlier you mentioned the cults. <v Michael Toms>And I just wanted you to give us your definition of what you think a cult is, because a <v Michael Toms>lot of confusion about the cults, especially this time and <v Michael Toms>the dangers of cults. And I like to remember that this country was founded <v Michael Toms>by - [Other speaker: cults! [laughter]] cults. [laughter] Yeah, at least they're two

<v Michael Toms>groups that would fit the current definition [sounds of agreement from other speaker] of a <v Michael Toms>colt is outside of the mainstream. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Yes. Yes. Well, I think there is that there there's a new book out and University of <v Marilyn Ferguson>Chicago published it called Alternative Altars. <v Marilyn Ferguson>I'm trying to think what the subtitle is by Robert Elwood of the University of Southern <v Marilyn Ferguson>California - Very nice book -explaining how <v Marilyn Ferguson>what appear to be exotic spiritual movements <v Marilyn Ferguson>happening in this country are really part of an of an alternative stream that has been <v Marilyn Ferguson>going through the United States from its inception. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And he calls these the excursus religions <v Marilyn Ferguson>E-X-C-U-R-S-U-S, meaning that they involve the person going on excursion <v Marilyn Ferguson>in effect to another dimension and coming back and going back and a kind of a <v Marilyn Ferguson>cycling that goes on there of an inner world, which is no <v Marilyn Ferguson>doubt true. I mean, the American Transcendentalists movement certainly related to this <v Marilyn Ferguson>and many other sort of movements, <v Marilyn Ferguson>groups, the Shakers and and so on.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>The use of the term cults is probably inaccurate because one man's <v Marilyn Ferguson>religion is another man's cult as far as how they're defining it or we tend to use cults <v Marilyn Ferguson>referring to quite, quite exotic things. <v Marilyn Ferguson>He also made the point l would also make the point that what is happening in this country <v Marilyn Ferguson>is that all these things are being Americanized. For instance, he talks about the <v Marilyn Ferguson>ultimate Americanization of Zen as is ?inaudible?, and <v Marilyn Ferguson>that it's- spirituality in this country is manifesting itself <v Marilyn Ferguson>in all sorts of unexpected ways. <v Marilyn Ferguson>They grow out of this culture, and that I've noticed that people who <v Marilyn Ferguson>tend, particularly the media, tend to focus on <v Marilyn Ferguson>people who take on Indian names and shave their heads and so on without noticing <v Marilyn Ferguson>the deep movement from religion to spirituality that is happening in the country. <v Michael Toms>Just seeing the surface. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Right. Right. I think this whole question of guru relationships <v Marilyn Ferguson>is, uh, is a very delicate one, because there are people

<v Marilyn Ferguson>certainly who surrender their autonomy to teachers <v Marilyn Ferguson>and who no longer want to make any judgments whatsoever. <v Marilyn Ferguson>There are other people who provisionally put themselves in the hands <v Marilyn Ferguson>of the teacher, as you would put your hands- self in the hands of a stockbroker. <v Marilyn Ferguson>Trusting this person with something that is important to you, that <v Marilyn Ferguson>a friend of mine suggested that the broker analogy, because people do that. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And that doesn't seem strange at all. They're saying you have some expertise, you have <v Marilyn Ferguson>some mastery. I want to- I want to learn from you, and that it <v Marilyn Ferguson>is not necessarily a surrender of autonomy, but it's an openness, a <v Marilyn Ferguson>willingness to be taught, which is very important. <v Marilyn Ferguson>I think that what the people that I know, the people I'm writing about in The Aquarius <v Marilyn Ferguson>Conspiracy, mostly after going through a lot of different disciplines and processes <v Marilyn Ferguson>and exploring, come to a place where they're open to all <v Marilyn Ferguson>of them. They're adherents of none.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>They're- they appreciate them. But there is no one system that's large enough to deal <v Marilyn Ferguson>with reality. They're all lenses that we use. <v Marilyn Ferguson>This is a nice way to look at it. Let's look at it the way you look at it for awhile, <v Marilyn Ferguson>okay. Now, here is an interesting way that somebody else is looking at it. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And they all have a rich explanatory value to us at different times. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But I think that, uh, we come into a place where we see that, uh, there <v Marilyn Ferguson>are truths and there is a matrix that underlies all <v Marilyn Ferguson>of it. And it's the matrix that's the important thing. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And that this is- the matrix that we come to says that, um, <v Marilyn Ferguson>we're living in- And this is where we kind of go against the old Newtonian clockwork <v Marilyn Ferguson>world view and move into an area that is- that is more coherent with <v Marilyn Ferguson>the radical science, which is that we experientially realize <v Marilyn Ferguson>that it's all process, that it's all what's happening now, that- <v Marilyn Ferguson>that- that's what's important. Where we are right now is very important.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>And that achievement orientations, even to be oriented to enlightenment <v Marilyn Ferguson>as a goal is an illusion. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And that also that wholeness is terribly important and that what we're doing, <v Marilyn Ferguson>what feels right to us is every time we're making something whole again. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And that was what Jan Smuts really meant when he coined the term holism, <v Marilyn Ferguson>is that there isn't- not just treat the whole person, you know, like in medicine <v Marilyn Ferguson>or holistic medicine, but that the universe itself is attempting always to make holes. <v Marilyn Ferguson>There is a drive in nature to make holes out of things, to complete things. <v Michael Toms>It's interesting. <v Michael Toms>Fascinating subject. It just goes on and on. <v Michael Toms>It's one of those things.It's a kind of an endless well, [laughter] never get to the <v Michael Toms>bottom of it. <v Marilyn Ferguson>That's really what Ilya Prigogine's said in this one of his lectures on being and <v Marilyn Ferguson>becoming, he said there is no elementary level of reality. <v Marilyn Ferguson>The deeper you get into it, the more complex it gets. <v Marilyn Ferguson>You know, they were always thinking, well, alright, we are- we found the atom.

<v Marilyn Ferguson>Now we're gonna find the parts of the atom and down and down. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And the further down you get, you get into an area of greater complexity, the more you <v Marilyn Ferguson>know- it recedes ahead of you. Yes. <v Marilyn Ferguson>[Host: When you realize you don't know what's] Right. <v Marilyn Ferguson>And paradoxically, with this uncertainty, there is a kind of knowing. <v Marilyn Ferguson>But it's a new kind of knowing. And I think it's like if you get clarity, what you get <v Marilyn Ferguson>clarity about is the fact that you're going to have to live with the uncertainty. <v Michael Toms>Yeah. <v Michael Toms>We're talking with Marilyn Ferguson, the editor and publisher of Brain/Mind Bulletin. <v Speaker>[Song: One Step Into the Light by The Moody Blues] <v Speaker>[Song: One Step Into the Light by The Moody Blues] <v Speaker>[Song: One Step Into the Light by The Moody Blues]