1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-10-10; Part 4 of 6

so because because because because because the pope girl told playboy plaza hotel that he was joined by two women and i think i recall you saying that you recognize one of them is that correct i reckon that's the point that i have seen her in the hotel the previous to this is where they do see are in the recall as the hotel was laid out when you come in the front entrance of the

rail coming directly into the lobby there's a large lobby reception room type area to the right the operators and the stairs were to the mezzanine floors the mezzanine floors was a gathering point for delegates there was free and curious spectators it was probably the most free access area to the hotel and you had seen her before us or what was her job for what we he was supposed to be due and what'd you find her mission was skating no

witnesses confirm the costumes what were the question you're up in response to that particular question i noticed her on several occasions in the hotel once was eating lunch and several towns in the mezzanine area drawing conclusions to what her specific function in their work you mention a hospitality room in a column that was until you describe that a little more for years or was that for a lot of who was there senator it's been my experience that not only political conventions but business and social convention there's always a special place in their urine convention meeting place for the hotels or they haven't worked in kentucky we call hospitality room which consist of room or people get together conjugate topping drake sometimes or sing and dance and basically the wonder of old tale which used as a meeting place where delegates could get together and socialize with other delegates political figures to get together

and socialize with other politicians and so forth so i think you mentioned them correctly if i don't think your testimony correctly that in this hospitality room would always a usual year women addicted to characterize as rather low moral characters that correct yes sir well the harmony whether the number fluctuates senator as did the number of people in the er and sometimes it would be people there other cancer you know the room would be crowded were the ones that you saw that regulate these girls yes that i travel quite extensively between the duality on the album blue hotel in each different ok all there would be a certain crayon that would hang out in that particular hotel you could you could almost stereotyped a different type drought of record the railroad the family at the playboy clubs and so forth

what was the commonalities to why these girls with her dose of coffee or coke to what ideas i thought they were awesome things and that was the gentle understanding and they were obviously for anyone else and it's in that kenyan the girls were prostitutes reason why i'm interested in this is not to drive this particular point of the ground without a great deal of my earlier in these hearings about political or one first presented to them as to mature mr mcgrew her most of the inability plan contain day proposal use call girls at the democrat convention two years of that the democrats win because tomato that particular problem was the council not use that apparently at least the mcgovern headquarters it

this mural is turning the corner there has been some indication and the investigations that we have conducted here that the mcgovern headquarters in california were used by people to organize a barrier heckling of one of president nixon's appearance in california do you have any knowledge of that not of that particular instance at the time i was operating within the governing hundred people in california the basic concern there was a democratic presidential primaries and not the general election in november did you ever participate in any of his heckling demonstrating a radical disruption that you know so why did you have any

opinion as to whether this particular activity was more disruptive to the political system of the country than your intelligence gathering i personally feel it as i mentioned earlier when you deprive someone of the writer speaking of that echoing them they are demonstrating in preventing them from even making the appearance that you're violating the rights but i also believe that you have a right to express your opinion and everyone should be given equal opportunity and just one final question because my time is up when you live on the security duties and they govern headquarters in miami a jew at a time if you meet with without a pardon from the senator to do that no sir i never obstructed this visitation i mean on your role did not like a little music has done the center mongolia

oh thank you mr mcmillan way battle a prom when you're related to this committee you had quite a bit of training for jobs you're doing where you see this trend if you talking about political experience foreign intelligence gathering both political experience foot name i started when i was eight years old working in all different types of tests and gradually grasping of your knowledge of political operations american democratic system as i got older how our right now i'm twenty seven years old already june and do infiltrate and gather intelligence and the manager did by reading and talking about with people i knew bobby kennedy and

eugene having conferences with anybody before you started out in your job in relation to happen to this is no sir what that transplanted during a meeting with that mr rainer when you were higher were there any specific instructions given to you yes sir the instructions were that hours to travel through the democratic primary states gathering information pertaining to personal and organizational structure of the democratic candidates individual campaign organizations did you ask him for indie credentials as to what he represents no sir the question of credentials never came at that meeting it was an unusual interview with europe and experience them and then went to louisville kentucky and ask you to gather information on primary presidential

candidates and that did not represent himself to be affiliated with any political party or a new political organization no so i have this type of activity taking place at least statewide announced they were not political motivation oh i like that this is what many fans newspaper report will volunteer and work in individual campaigns as volunteers to obtain information of the year making of the president tie story so that later on after the election they can compile information on paper can change burgers and organizations you mean to tell me that the newspaper reporters infiltrate too i know one instance partially were newspaper people possibly you might not say infiltrate but they work with their campaign i think this is a oh a fairly widespread practice of newspaper people on press people following campaigns

not just to report the news but for all her writings and bachmann said they plan to publish after the elections now you didn't buy mr stone's story on blackwell's that how they were interested in behalf of some conservative business people mean by that did you mean that that question that a question only in the sense of a lot of talk what type of people they were and what type of activities which would be would transpire if if i didn't take the job it questioned each individual's character ask him anything about the individuals themselves what you stated aim your testimony that through the years that that chemistry jason rainer contacted you and that is when they represented some conservative businessman and that he would as jack they was asking you to go to different

states during the primaries and by not about personal and even by that i had no reason to doubt senator when did dawn on you that you have a political mission for the republican party it spectators early as june of seven it and that would you think you're getting information for such as you gather and what did you think you were performing he's asked for that you didn't think that day you were doing these things in behalf of these so called conservative businessman bijan center of the camp i had no does not even know who the people were as long as i myself felt that the activities were legal and we're not are destructive to the american system i felt that i was working within the system in a normal political function in carrying out an operation and now i can see where possibly there would be some question as to watch someone would challenge i think but in nineteen seventy two

the seven are the american people had any reason to suspect these type of activities so what did you consider them unethical notes are due today no sir you consider them in proper no sir do you today you know sir now you well you mentioned in your diary on now age five that five night float it infiltrated countries that borders by complimenting the elderly artist manager your drug activities into believing i was a dedicated humphrey supporter now is that going to do by cd i wasn't like to see police use of isolating way you want to make a water wheel i was working in that capacity but you were not educated hundreds of waterways

that's again a question of terminology let jesus that are still as stated in the press that that i did everything she asked everything they thought i could do to help them not you consider yourself a dedicated hundreds were no i'm not thinking of support then you were deceiving no i think it has begun to get you we're now on april twenty second you call anyone entered support for jackson it was in pennsylvania i feel like that we can present a country doing what reporters as you have vindicated and to have indicated that you were vacated humphries border why were you telling people intervene in support of that this specific instructions for that evening's communique work that they took all the people that were there in an orphanage put him on phones calling people and as a desperate last minute effort to attract swing some more support the

humphrey not only instructions were to get on a telephone call people are trying to get out the vote i wasn't specifically instructed solicit vote for help prevent and at this particular camp in looking back and thinking back on that particular evening i might've jackson my sense of an outline and i discover him well they did it did it did they do something that they're turned toward it being confronted jackson isn't about which are asking well what happens what triggered your sudden change of loyalty has vacated humvees order to avoid the test of that to your earlier question that i was not a day for support we are owning that where you were no sir not in nineteen seventy two well why didn't tell the office manager that you weren't they were volunteer to work soon these

these these conclusions weren't stevie award given to conclusions are drawing here is at that that she was convinced that was i didn't say that i didn't do anything to convince her of that other than work in a campaign understood that number eight or you state your summary i saw the governor's youth coordinator this is at the democratic national convention i saw mcgovern's youth coordinator tom public and he mentioned to me that the government organizing its own security staff this was the highlight of the iranian government i went to the hotel that borders that are toning already had security man i lose myself until tony that have sent me over for security reasons to assist them and we offer security now that must've felt like to actually save you over to assist with a bar i ordered to misrepresent yourself the most boring and consent by ms southwick to assist

this yourself what made the suggestion this was the first i know that the security staff and mr southworth in addition to this as i understand it now later even columnist your garage and told him that i would be an excellent choice for the security position i did not pull over and ask for the security job now on not ten am you stated it is amazing how easy it would be to be right in the midst of all the operations in yemen now the work i did well i'm well miami is probably the best i did while i was on the sign the characters i have played in the last four months are as varied as the locations i was in maybe someday soon i will take the time to write about all the people i met and that they have a wedding we don't need to obtain information that hurt their individual course not you think that this was an ethical and proper yes i believe my babies at their camp where people would you like me to

explain that statement the collective good well i'll go ahead and please explain that how playing different debate role for different candidates and dividing loyalties among different candidates is brought this proper and let's start with senator the playing of different roles reversed to not of deceit argues that in but that a different organization of staff members were stereotypes so they're in the oven organization most volunteer workers were young hippie type protesting type of students in the end of a freaking out the volunteer workers or more of the college intellectual a social fraternity tight route and this is what it's meant an implied in this particular phrase were talked about playing different characters and different roles because it was necessary when i was with humphrey to be a little lighter a little more

discreet and a little bit more well mannered when you are in the world you could be anything you please now you you were you instead are now turning their causes or you're not naso the fall if you refer back to the complete context of that barrier completely flanagan are not hurting their calls it was not it's this statement doesn't say that there was motivation to go out and hurt their cause but what in fact happened was about me obtaining this information this summary with written this summer of nineteen seventy three after the fact and in fact from the revelations of the committee after aa where the information obtained was going i believe politically park their cars but not from the standpoint of deception are any kind of espionage during those activities that's very unusual rationalization i might say

my time and thank you in a white says through very real question is why do you think you were not challenging when you made application to work for these various campaigns and discussion with a minority counselor today there's certainly rumors were new government campaign and the question was asked us to what it would take to check out and get a phone call and that your hometown et cetera why do you think that this didn't happen well if you take each individual case the position that i was placed in that place myself in with the different organizations for instance in philadelphia in philadelphia most of the

youth volunteer as was the case in california went to the mcgovern headquarters humphrey was very very desperate for volunteer workers and i believe that as i stated earlier they were just simply appreciative of the fact that i was willing to come over there and stuff envelopes and mailing list and take charge of a group of people that were carrying out their job successfully well you think that might be that here in this country with a campaign have to be on free campaigner mcgovern campaign and nixon campaign or whatever but the basic assumption the basic assumption is that those that volunteer are not spies yes sadly that's a general concept of the country another words apparently the basic assumption that's somewhat at odds to your own personal opinion i might add a person opinion of others and appeared before you he's going to go on all time because of the fact they won on all time everybody

would be checked out and i believe that's correct but of course if all of a sudden now it's thrown out on the table or to this committee and also the american people that goes on all the time and were gonna start checking each other out i would hope that we never get to that point wherein our political campaigns in our dealings with each other as fellow citizens that we have to check each other now again in earlier testimony before this committee indicated it was in response to sarah baker's question is do you know what should be done the public record is a perfectly adequate way to check candidates' out as to their views on various issues as to their

past history as to what they propose to the future don't you think that's quite adequate public record what one edition of the public record should be known by the voters often and senator the public record is not an accurate one basket report on the actual events i know myself i have been victim to public press in the sense that when my name was first mentioned many the stories and more especially the rumors leaks are what everyone how that were circulating that the press have been proven that testimony before this committee and before other legal authorities that they were inaccurate and somebody in my opinion it's necessary that these things be checked out well they could have free press guarantee the fact that the facts are to be checked out in that innocent men are not

be condemned out of him by the american people senator i don't mean to imply your opportunity now to express exactly your thoughts and what you did and what you didn't do for the people of country that's what i'm hearing senator levin made a remark that i feel the freedom of the press is should be restricted or epr are curtailed in any manner i was just merely stating that all although an all public records are not always correct and you need to check into a father than just read how senator voted on the floor of the senate on a on a particular bill sometimes of motivation and reasoning behind that or more portman the actual vote itself you think the congressional record is a philosophically inspired document one where the other no so but i don't believe the american public as the family or

the interest which is a pity of the whole fine to read a congressional record do you think the demands voting record political record attic only available to the american people regardless of the only interpretation but the actual votes and so i think it takes i'd like to know exactly what it is that is outside the public record that should be known as tutors can you gentlemen i think the important thing is the motivation as i mentioned earlier are i know of cases where actions are taken off some fans' been a victim of circumstance where i had to do certain things that i would not really like to get a measure certain senators and congressman paul an appropriations bills not because there's no yes or no the total aspect i think it would be a shame for this country people voted to a simple yes or no answer questions simple yes or no well do you think the candidates for the pros the united states they answer yes know during the course of a political campaign

i'm not implying that they've probably been subjected to the most searing question and i might add a mosque was apple's sense from the left and the right in the center you think this occurs during the course of the campaign yes there that i don't feel it's adequate i don't think the press conference answers to questions are adequate for the people princess movie entire question and during the course of the campaign the candidates are subjected to questions from citizens yes i think that's what's one aspect that television has played a vital role in american politics in the last ten years because the candidates can say something in the autumn and take an opposite view calif you know

i was quoted on a financial newspaper the i find it difficult to believe as i think we've been very forthcoming with the committee and john get into a philosophical debate with but what i can't allow the press spying the gathering of political intelligence during the course of campaigns is something that you feel oh you know not only that was director of course this campaign that is a proper course of action for future campaigns are correct the war as it as a put american political system spans now i believe it is and it's a necessary function i think senator baker stands now that system didn't check yo that system obviously was based on the assumption that you were not a spot just like the system of this country operates on the basis that a man is innocent till proven guilty and now what you're advocating for this committee and all this is a yes we had best check each other

out and we have that determine whether men incentives to be rather difficult country to live in the original i think you're reading into the statement when i said yes i believe that people should be checked out i did not say that that was the best estimates that as it stands now if our candidate for public office and they have volunteers before allah with him in charge of my security i would check them out well i think a quite frankly are far easier and less involved process to get rid of the type of activities which you're talking about that enter into a mass scale checking out of each other in the course of our activities because what you did obviously was the aberration not the rule of law was only one in the company's headquarters a military base headquarters i checked out from top of mind but they're still happens to be i think probably that certain ideals in the fatah candidates and their workers a lot of those become the volunteer their services do because of their belief when the man

and what he stands for and not because they were going out and gather political intelligence level for the russians to my staff in the senate has explored new activity and they give them the big spring to breed you had previous experience infiltrating into campaigns but the presidential election of nineteen seventy two nasr nature i would have pushed and that the answer if someone attempting to get you to infiltrate another political campaign they would do to show nosair would do think that in the future our political candidates and political parties might well the whale volunteers no i don't think they need be

and only on workers you've suggested checking credentials radical theologian i would suggest that people that are put in positions of responsibility indeed be checked out or being confined in their convictions like you so i have no further question from jim risen know it he got off because he's been thank you

mr james hamilton assistant chief counsel patients with us mr joseph foreign language you spell your last name for the record please this is going to seek a u g h e r and what is your version and europe as an employment and presently employed by the california legislature as the chief administrative officer opposition

to the campaign of senator george mcgovern in the fall campaign in the general election i was appointed to the southern california campaign and what was your tenure in this position off from august through early october and was the city of los angeles in your jurisdiction yes it along with five or six counties in southern california the top two set the context context of the questions i'm going to ask you and also the questions that i'm going to actually attended one who will volunteer i want to read certain relief portions of the testimony of mr haldeman for this committee and first i'm reading it page's six o six so i'm supposed to chew on the most common was discussing the type of fighter activity

yet in the quotation that was envisioned would have specifically excluded such acts as the following violent demonstrations and disruptions heckling or shutting down speakers burning or a bombing campaign headquarters physical damage or trashing of headquarters and other buildings our last month of candidates wives and families by the senator's disruption of the national convention by watering down or a guest with eggs and to my actors indecent exposure of rock throwing a shop window it's slashing bus tires smashing windows setting trash fires under the gas tank of a bus knocking policeman from their motorcycles continuing rotation i know that this committee and most americans would agree that such activities cannot be tolerated in a political

campaign but unfortunately the activities i can't describe our activities which took place in nineteen seventy two against the campaign of the president of the united states by his approach as a recess as a senator is right for a floor vote we're also going to pause briefly public television coverage of the senate hearings will continue after a station identification on a bridge coverage of the hearings is being broadcast as a public service where local public television station this is pbs public broadcasting service fb is bankruptcy

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bee continues its coverage of hearings by the senate select committee on presidential campaign activities it again and by correspondent jim lehrer as we go back to the hearing nerve assistant chief counsel james hamilton is reading from earlier testimony by a chair bob haldeman the hearings will come to order some adjoining house overseeing the question was but that brief recess i was reading do you read portions of missed the whole woman's testimony not like to continue this to set the context for the questions i'm going to ask you

know that this committee and most americans would agree that such activities cannot be tolerated in a political campaign but unfortunately the activities i had described all activities which took late in nineteen seventy two against the campaign of the president of the united states by his opponents some of them took place with the clear knowledge and consent of agents of the opposing candidate in the last election others were acts of people who clearly who were clearly i'm sympathetic to the president that may not have had direct orders from the opposing camps now add into quotations parliament later provided testimony as do several specific events to back up its general statement including testimony regarding to events that occurred in los angeles page six or your frame of parliament gave as an example of the burning and bombing campaign headquarters an

incident in hollywood and fairfax avenue where a nixon campaign office was and i'm quoting again blown up by a bomb in court and i paid six the real far been following question and answer all while mr thompson you say some of these instances took place with the clear knowledge and consent of agreements of the opposing candidates in the last election you have any bases or that pipe with the hall i understand there's some in the documentation the one specific that comes immediately to mind and that is the occasion of a trip to los angeles to the century plaza hotel and which there was a very large demonstration staged out in front and bills to notify people of this demonstration is planned demonstration where to be at one time and that sort of thing were handed out by the

mcgovern headquarters and i understand there was a phone call program set up in the mcgovern headquarters there are calling people to expand to come and attend this demonstration in a quotation that there's like to question you regarding the century plaza hotel hansen and first do you recall the date of that appearance i believe it was september twenty seven and a lot of that topic the demonstration it was that visit the president to los angeles where he was being honored at a large fundraising dinner within the central plaza hotel in the demonstration was outside of the hotel did you attend a meeting in september prior to the demonstrations where the demonstration was discussed yes i did about we are today demonstrations there was a smaller

meeting in the mcgovern headquarters two people associated with the campaign and re reported to me that they might pay an organizational meeting had taken place relative to the forthcoming demonstration in them they described what was planned and asked her what assistance so if anything they might want to hear in this meeting people mrs jones and this is very important was anyone else in the meeting rich stearns was in the meeting he was on the national governance fine was visiting los angeles and for the entire meaning only applauding he was demeaning as a matter of fact was underway

between stern and the other two individuals i came to the meeting late i don't frankly i don't recall him how long he stated we forged some period of time though the four of us did discuss the forthcoming demonstration he may have left before it would you tell the committee who moses led away in mississippi at all what all recessions layoffs hit it with arms as the city was an employee of the california mcgovern campaign <unk> ludwig was associated with a campaign and i had it a long experience of activity with various the sort of the story of organizations in southern california and at that meeting were you told

who the people were that was offering an organizing the century plaza demonstration it was my understanding that the the sponsors such a vivid color variations these organizations that had conducted activities in the past in los angeles area they strive to meet a very responsible group consisting of the professional people are members of the clergy responsible individuals non violent and in response to was there any indication at this meeting at the demonstration to be head of the central plateau would be less than peaceful no we were very careful to discuss the that were being taken to make sure that it was a

peaceful demonstration and i was satisfied with the basis of the information they gave me that would be a peaceful demonstration well you were that the organizers of the demonstration had secured the services of a number of monitors to preserve order at the demonstration yes i was now during his name was a proposal that it will go in on bikes and the los angeles headquarters would be used to solicit demonstrators to come to this demonstration yet and do you recall the latest polls and specifically whether the proposal of that came from one of the others or whether i volunteered i was interested in is assisting the demonstration and it will not interfere with any of the

higher priority activities of the campaign and we didn't have a telephone bank and a headquarters that was not being used at that point in time and so during that meeting i didn't agree that our phone bank would be available to the sponsors of the demonstration but that we cannot provide and manpower or any other sort of assistance and that if the organizers of the demonstration wanted to recruit their own people to use those phones to call persons on their own lives to encourage them to attend a demonstration it was agreeable with us so it was your decision than that the phone banks could be used as a correct that's correct and dentistry decision receive approval from those caught up in the campaign when you get rich stearns was at the meeting in it he agreed with

this he did indicate that there's a proposal that his pro growth or lives that were these phone lines actually used if they were probably for two successive nights have a phone one wall i don't recall precisely i would guess nobody in the room that we used for the telephone bank we probably had twelve or fifteen phones and billing these tonight with a fully occupied our thanks so yes there may be a couple of phones that went unused and we're the phones made by people who are sponsoring the demonstration if you don't require yes there were many mcgovern step workers many golf to solicit demonstrators no they did not we were interested in the name the governor's staff workers to concentrate on a voter registration drive and for that

reason i did not want them to participate in this effort that list are used to make their phone calls a list that were compiled by the people who are sponsoring a demonstration widely on the list they had names of persons who had in the past attended their various activities altered by one or another of the groups that made up the coalition where any of the mcgovern lived used for that work no ideas separately told him that we would not allow them to use their lists and that we don't we would be calling the names on those was for other activities and we did not want to over until we did not want to well armed supporters for things that were not a high priority for the president a call told at the demonstration of awkward part of the government campaign activity frankly i don't

know you know if a college with older people are coming from the government orders i don't know that either that that is the phone banks refused to tonight's final night with a bunch of operation start i recall but then from about six o'clock to nine o'clock or thereabouts generally from the dinner hour two hundred and thirty as the acceptable time performing abortions when today's college after the second night we were informants senator mcgovern would be visiting los angeles i'm all following week and so we needed to use those telephones to call our own lists of supporters to encourage them to attend an event we which are trying for his parents

lebanon the government step workers helped distribute leaflets announcing this demonstration and heard in attendance very minimal extent these sponsors of demonstration printed up a large number of leaflets and ask for assistance and distributing them i told them that i felt that the massive distribution would interfere with other activities but that we would be agreeable to placing a small number of leaflets and each of our storefront headquarters for the information that people in those headquarters and many storefronts with aaron paul well i would think that about that time in southern california area we must've had a hundred or more storefronts i dont know precisely how many of them receive those leaflets because they were only given out in instances where a storefront came to the headquarters to pick up a regular order mcgovern literature and we

did not make any special effort to get the leaflets to headquarters unless we have some other reason for a contract would you estimate that leaflets were discovered in an over to a point i would if i guess i would say probably half the storefront probably wish it was traditionally cleveland i think so i think it's not the same eating and was later that afternoon you do you recall burned but this better than the decision to ensure that leave that it's likely that he may not have been there at that time that indian immigrants that worker place all pay for advertisements about in the demonstrations no in the government's network a book displayed in the making and distribution of signs and placards to be used at the demonstration we're calling it the mcgovern

headquarters people calling in cold outer leaves the demonstration and give instructions to bring a sign that the demonstrations now if your dentist well i don't know i did not go to that moment can only one person specifically and she did attend and returned to their headquarters right afterwards to describe for me what happened to your legs name of governance network or yes that revelation take a violent turn having admitted in the public record that the government the lightly used to contact them for them for eight years and when he did this i believe it was between the

week so he's using the following me use the phone from the time of the demonstration it's all came in response two inquiries we didn't get that we've used function before the demonstration took place yesterday was as the campaign pointed of southern california the tuition apology for that activity and what he cannot issue an apology i don't think that there's anything to apologize or improper activity with the campaign the mcgovern campaign asked by the california committee for the reelection of the first on and on the colleges that might occur at the demonstration yes and what was there is part of just you know it was we did not respond now turning to the second incident that was referred to vomit on in

the testimony that i read you when did you first learn of these so called hollywood bombing the morning after i heard a news reporter saw something in the newspaper to extent that a nixon headquarters in hollywood that have a fire do you have any knowledge met at the data that incident around september sixteenth september seventeenth care about and do you have any firsthand knowledge of that and none whatsoever now with hundreds of events in a minute from work on it when he's sitting behind you have to walk over that incident but i have one for the question i ask you amer governments that person involved in any way in this so all running at the nixon headquarters certainly not

yemen at the southern california campaign for murder and what was his position his position was essentially western states or neighboring states the circuit court for i think probably most of the state's west of the rockies i think he also protect service members who have been his superior gary hart it was a meeting that you refer to this is the soul of america and what her position on campaign she was our director of special organizations

that is a responsibility with courtney the activities the special committees teachers groups other professional groups groups of people that were united with some common interest such as her people's rights organizations solid position yes it was very unwomanly she us are essentially as our liaison under joseph in his direction as as a liaison with the various peace or you know organizations in southern california or would this meeting take place the meeting in which we participated in the mcgovern headquarters and a veteran officer troy my home office who's on it was made as an awful sight of iraq and say who is the

deputy too rich terms representative was the government and the president in that meeting i don't believe she was she made an hour and i have no specific recollection of their house so that i first came out a few moments ago on the meeting was on the way at the time and i walked in there the two women were discussing with work their tenants that are much organizational meeting and he has like a minivan we're going to have this meeting a methodist church

become will trickle of our mission in los angeles and who attended that you attended that meeting the government working my understanding is that this is what was there you cannot offer for mississippians they're not you loyal individual the you know any organizations that organizations of the meeting and i don't recall any specifically by name out of a page from the los angeles clippers but with the river and dated september twenty seconds or twenty seconds in october second nineteen seventy two oct twenty seven was afraid and it lists several groups among those just waiting in the meeting for a news

meeting church recorded before women's track for police another mother for peace peace action council october fourteenth coalition national peace action coalition vietnam veterans against the war individually the finance committee the enemy is student union for these american civil liberties union went on for a socialist workers party progressive labor party echo park and silverlake food conspiracy one against the war young socialists alliance student mobilization committee and though janet peace campaign pentagon papers bradlee citizens research investigating committee was that the school was that these committee set the date as as well as various religious groups and george mcgovern campaigners were if they were

these groups of lawyer with a number of them by name one of the assistant minority council's several weeks ago describe the article to me on the day basis of information that the representatives from our campaign gave me an alarming and on bases that demonstrate me actual demonstration how it took place and fight we find it difficult to believe that that's a correct county whose purpose of them correct counting and you've known about it wouldn't go to some concern yes certainly would have if i if i had known for sure or had any reason to believe that some of the organizations was that there

had been at the organizational meeting i would not want the assistance of the campaign the assistance of the campaign because i was reasonably certain on the basis of the information that i had that it would be a peaceful demonstration you know because of a history of violent activities in the previous election no that was not willing at a campaign that was in nineteen sixty or against president johnson war yes

there was a there was a lot of demonstration i did not participate in a guest at the dinner that evening and i went inside the hotel i did not see any of the demonstrators my soul that i read the news accounts and so joe lloyd's coverage parts of the demonstration from that experience like and i was certain that the precautions were taken them and again to protect the president and all guests to also concerned that extent the demonstration actually just not refer to nineteen sixty seven was five years prior and one that were speaking about here involving know

every time i'm walking from individuals so it's on a recent think that because the nineteen sixty seven there was a demonstration over the same issue and the reason that we were once again valentina knew what you call her up and ninety six so that's a group was calling specific say and others lot of pushing and shoving and some demonstrators were killed