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edge of love that the south of the identify with and realize and recognize another word that even though it may be different from other people who've read the book have a point only in the body and a medical record of anybody leave and i guess because they have that i want people to look at the voters they can happen like rain of human recognition like oh yeah that night to treat people but the fact that our identity is that they would've lived with him what they have here you know with a lot of robert smith author of the book never heard riding on race gender and freedom published by rutgers university press in her book smith brings together for the first time more than two decades of literary criticism of political thought regarding gender race sexuality flour and social change as well the first rise in this country became black feminism for black women in the early seventies she has done groundbreaking work in
the planning of black women's literary tradition and examine the sexual politics of the lives of black and other women of color i'm john ensign jr and welcome to another edition of in black america barbara smit author of the book the truth that no words symes actuality i'm like great and i'm like cantor it mike is mutable are changeable it if you were black you know the man and the thing is because there is a technology that are coming out of this would have your column then it be one identity to argue that it could change i think they're threatening to people it means some people who think that not heterosexual relationships are sinful our cal tech and yet if you look at the path going back into equity including antiquity and africa you will find evidence of fame gender primary our relationship
that and added at me and i know i never deviate hour with anyone right or wrong you know around church orientation the court that to me is not the point barbara smyth is co founder and publisher of kitchen table women of color press she's been a writer in residence as tottenham was caught using universes the more than twenty five years she is the first woman of color appoint to the modern language association's commission on the status of women in the profession smith is independence cowan who has played a groundbreaking role in open up a national college and political dialogue regarded as sections of race class and sexuality engender an award as a critic teacher activist lecture and publisher she was among the first to define african american women literary tradition andrew beyer black women's studies and black feminism in this country we see a black america spoke with his innovative offer i have bought major anthology about black women and
i started doing that work in the late nineteen seventies i was teaching african american literature on the college level and i also was teaching black women writers over the first people in the country to look at black women's literature and i think that i edited a number of collections anthologies during the late seventies and early eighties three and then i also co authored a book on racism and anti semitism are last year i had to come out so well one of them olive is the reader's companion to us women's history and then there's my own book are the truth that never heard though that i think about it now ok you also the founder of kitchen table women of color for us a hundred and how did you happen to have the motivation why was the cofounder are and where we started in nineteen eighty we really only publisher for women of color and the united states and the way that came about i was
friends with a great poet and a visionary audrey lord and audrey and i were talking one day on the telephone i would've lost them but then the late night i would've gotten in the seventies and the nineteen eighties kind of often do a block where they were shooting and we had at various experiences with independent feminist classes in publications that are really needed to publishing and therein hangs video for that now that my baby but they all when you look at those automakers shows where they interview people in the other talking about shows like nightline army to pressure whatever they all fall white people on those shows and they hear that they do interview any black people even aware of like come in and they really went in the hotel you know even though something to change though they feel a need for that effort seward
the black women's literary to decide what actually dark and the country if you want it because they like to micro article that was written by everyone think that really would have hurt black roman poet but there's actually a woman whose name i believe that when we have an annual report called part fight and god that predated on top twenty four record he was not the person who wrote that going forward not at all it out whether it all figured out and get it to do that much work at those weekly good but it's a very long and all of the old tradition all thought we were you know that an eighteenth century all dead go and try the only been tried that they'd ever had that they believe every look at our history of block literature or whether maybe mayo our senior year to look at the situation of slavery and had no record that we were forbidden literacy the tools of art and
expression off until it out not even the end of slavery and in that situation because when you're denied education aren't you can't get to a level he took away with even necessarily become a writer so we have an incredible all literary tradition given that we had to fight that aren't yet even be prohibited getting a tool to get the tools for literally of the farm i think of that arm yeah like be getting a bag of the light that they're going to that like when writing a lot of black women writers are not fleeing over particularly are significant our group within the black literary tradition allah and they were not seen as doing anything that was unique and i think that are in the law late sixties and early seventies there with a critical mass of black women in graduate school a different disciplines and we wanted to rethink you know the kind of blackberry out being are born in or whether they're even with me what we want is that you think about artisanal
to now and what that without regardless of what our field was there with sociology history anthropology you have to make a little girl like me we want to study things about ourselves that as i said the other always have a black women writers of my favorite black women riders wait for yours then margaret walker a handgun and a tree writing well before you know the midpoint of the center i got out i was lucky to be alice walker and early seventies used teaching a course in black winona ryder just had to be one of the first one they were offered the country an elephant lost and where i lived and i got a lot of her corset and i for that car got a teaching job i would teach what women riders in one year later i got a job and bought and i've been doing that every step that we've built alm it focuses mostly from the ground up and i think it's been really positive offer the black community have allowed the voice
you've been down i'm a young light is that we should keep iowa all be looking for their digital world are absolutely i probably thought that the question that i get out of the forest so like it not forget the people that i really wanted that and are there young man named john kelly no the story that i've been waiting for my bookstore here that they have are ordered it and he only thinly or are very fine writer john keenan evicted he writes short fiction writer at work another novel odds on a black woman poet who are a lot of named let me away he lives in boston and he has now published her own book out are not able to supply title for you but it could find him you know by name the lead anyway i'm trying to think of other people i read recently drawing a blank played by younger writers who are pretty great way alito more likely rather
a lot that now that if the university is early in our young black hole and publish your breath of coal red bone fragments and he did a phenomenal job of publishing about black women writers so many essays of the clothing and the truth never heard was written over twenty years ago and you go about the process of love of love of compiling and deciding what essays will be included the real problem for everyone for everything i had a good look at it with a book i gave it a lot of thought and one thing that i think it reflects that i gave a lot of thought that the book and not arranged in colorado reporter it's arranged by connections you know different subject matter are how we have the book in the range of protectionism out literature in history and in the next election off with his phone call between a rock and a hard place you about the issues that divide people from each other which include racism homophobia and anti semitism
protection of the book of coworking for liberation and having it be a good time and that the section where i write about doing political organizing because i have always been very active politically on a grassroots level and then the fourth off section was really have one and it is an energy that i wrote specifically for ah the plot but all i looked at all of my work and i consider carefully if i wanted it to be and that kind of permanent four of being in the book there some things i did not include that were probably as well written as things that i did that i don't think they necessarily needed to be in the bill because sometimes our i would do time that there have been five and they were kind of occasional for the fbi they were big part of current events oh my god i love that part about what to include it did include a couple of book reviews because that's how i got lifeguard worth publishing of my work with concern and gov
if they try to figure out how things go when together one of the things that people say about the book who read it is that it doesn't feel like it's a lot of different views of the world with a different time for the really does flow that because i gave a lot of thought in some of the essays focus deeply about racism and how that has affected you in the beginning of the of your chow who was that important for for that particular train of thought to be transmitted well i think in this society yesterday a chord with other official celebration of oliver margaret martin luther king jr birthday and entropy is somebody who grew up during the store i read and to actually thought like a very real debate not have a body on a calendar on the gulf commercial you know of a dead dog only i got better than that because in a way the way that the holiday of elevated are really does highlight of interesting geology
with which white americans view racial reality in this country i think that most people who are not people of color in this country don't really understand what racism racism is and how it works they offered understand how deeply ever highly impact of impact are very day to day life you go on there's that theres a sometime thing that we deal with it every single day a day has a column grievous and violent impact on our lives and sometimes it didn't if you really really know whether it and the way now whether it's traffic light with the lending again to protect the lawyers are doing whatever that range is we deal with it every single day and i want people to know by reading my work i want people to know what my relationship was it all that and of the eye can tell some stories about things that happened to me personally that were the affluent told a racist racism and what could have been more violent than they turned out to be a
white such a difficult task for this country to come to grips with race relations air and while the problem is it's so difficult to solve articulate them well i think i'll leave that country you think an incredibly hypocritical you now our country and i'd say one of their faith are in the book which i call the tip of the i've got and i talk about kind of not original with me and if we had her at a lot of the country was founded on stolen land and the labor that the language of the indigenous people the europeans came over here that i like to keep it i would take it you know they joked that that gregory you to tell about i feel like if it a cadillac you thought i wanted to claim it and they are like a dry i would take it that would happen you know that the colonization me that i've come to have gone either the european total inland and then they realized that it was that there was so
much to be done that are that they want to employ you know people labor they've began at the dentist for a horrific event and different or why they could melt into them now the population and it appear that they really horrific idea of importing out of africa and i think the reason that people of this country to this day the last year of the twentieth century the last year of the effect of the land here i think to this day the reason that most people in the country do not want a deal of what we're up against it because it would mean never won they would have to change and number two they would have to be honest to talk about what the benefits are a living in a white country to try to promote his contract how did you come to look the time of the truth never hurts that never heard and girl it iowa today that i think there's another portland night the elevator or even the cleveland of the labor it particularly ideologically
family talk nhl and they were that it's true that never heard that kind of ironic and it's a little bit of a job because the truth can hurt and it don't want you the truth you know but as we know the truth can get you for a show olen i try to do like a little irony they'll all be a paradox they are like yeah that would be difficult to fall deal with that thought if you can deal with it it really going to make your life better it not been heard all the way you have a long list of academic accomplishments a credentials but you have chosen to remain independent scholar an operative which they want academic institution sad sometimes i wonder i really do it never live a gadfly you know it's not that i wanted to go go from place to place or anything like that how olive colored it i am gainfully employed in our writing with always more important to me than anything else and all i wanted to
organize my life in such a way that i think it is about trying to have a possibly could've ended it a full time academic career we're not going to allow for that are also i was the publisher olive of all the kitchen table of a collar brace for fifteen years for nike ad nineteen ninety five so it that there that had that before the academic appointment with that i work with that responsibility either because of running the press with more than a full time job for various reasons are i think that being an independent scholar cause a euphemism that are that have worked for me it means that every single year i had to try to figure out how i got to make it this year you know what i'm going to do or tried to talk earn a living are one of the things that has meant offer me and it's not that great of a sacrifice is that a lot of fabio material being a consumer good for our vip from whenever i got really into that i'm more into art like art and
it is in all things like that so that i think nobody would have been to have everything oh i would like to have security ever protocol older age about love awfully you got that provided for buyouts whatever forces of our that went down off until that i hope that i'll be able to keep that way in the future does black feminism take on a different turn them the larger population do feminism i absolutely love feminism lot of nothing else have the strong race the race analysis we understand it would not get affected by gender politics or gender oppression but that we are indeed are affected by race and racism of that i always tell people the first political this situation an issue that i knew about race and racism right now feel racism or strongly am i got probably than any of the
other issues that i deal with because i feel like for one thing we're trying out why why is the country so i'm able to deal with it because we are a lot of the reason that i think i feel razor the vote legally in vicodin still embedded in every single institution of the society for good reason but i believe are largely economic reasons an economic recovery has hurt both were very you know were privileged to this day but in any event i think that our black feminist and don't look at race to the political class and economic issues are to look at all those things that affect how our life in our communities so it's hard for police brutality in the black feminist issue and our quality education for children is applied to violence against women and starting it is also black feminist issue not a simple you know getting some good job of the executive suite
we have other things that we have to deal with you stayed in summer earnings at the heart the harlem renaissance those writers they were part of that that that alleges period and black america or were gay lesbian why open to this last half of the of the of the twentieth century as this information now coming out well i think because of the nature of the closet and of homophobia and that idea the whole ball would want to say that they were lesbian gay bisexual or transgender before a certain point there's a highly unusual are people very brave people who did indeed acknowledged audience orientation before harder lefty gave horatio movable by a large that movement that began you know kind of our armor tear away with the stonewall rebellion in nineteen fifty nine in new york city with a confrontation between the new york city police and the patrons of a bar called the law and they came in to that bar much as they'd have
done in places where black people of the global jihad to the cat disrupted terror but there are a lot of the patrons indeed of that though and were people of color were wolf black and latino and as a kid that's generally considered to be the beginning of the modern letting gay liberation movement except that florida began to look back at other historical period and actually try to figure out what was going on but when i'd write about that in the book of album age so many of the major figures of the lesbian gay or bisexual that it's documented and threw you know it is not a matter of opinion at this point it's fairly widely known and i think very interesting to me because they are the enemy have a person in the literary scholar tackle everything is that if we look at it very well but one of that mean that so many of the people involved our had not heterosexual almost all and social connections and life you don't have to look at a little bit different
way and i don't think it needs anything any the quality of the writing and our estimate that for every you know it didn't mean that their refund think verizon think you're going on your way you know calm within our black community during that time that we did not know about the death of the leading light you know this is the period that it's an artistic and intellectual we alight obviously we're exploring and if not above cut and dried as we thought there's a lot to be found out why as homosexuality such a taboo subject or didn't live conversation at american community a lot of the really the federal courts really could do another dada that's something you know i have been concerned about all for many years and have written about how have done research on it that are i think people are afraid of all the different ideas about why people you know audie i have a few around
the worn out white ah i think that people who are heterosexual have issues around people who are not heterosexual there is a fear around sexuality and our society we have a puritan heritage off and that purity heritage affect though the votes or are black you know black mayor black you are black even though we're not you did a very vivid african thing but we've been here for a number of entries effect over literally to give up their religion ought and so that's one aspect of it i think another aspect of it is that sexuality i'm like allam grade and i'm like god can target for the bike is our new report came to pull it in cuba a black man but the thing is because there is a technology that are coming out of the foot of your column that indeed one identity sexuality had it it could change i
think they're threatening other people i think people who think that ought not have official odd relationships or sinful or cal tech and yet if you look at all the paths going back into equity including antiquity and africa you will find evidence of fame gender primary our relationship and out of me and i know i never deviate oh with anyone writer wall you know around her story and they should be crushed me it's not the point to point if it's true that you know all of us know aren't movement of black community there are people in the community we're not have your face or were not have your face all the time and what i've tried to eliminate art is that reality and then also to try to get a bit of disdain between them out to the different parts of our family we can go on a couple more question that one as you listen and you also write about the immediate plans thomas and herrings
they're reinforced was certain that any black woman who raised the issue of sexual pressure in african american community is somehow a traitor to her race it was your perspective on that well i don't think it's a traitor to the race day that somebody is doing something that's not right that it's not acceptable aren't any detailed cape huge brain started around that's not right around and only one form of violence again black do many black women and other women do and that every part of the unexamined attitude and we have a really hard core will and history and relationship with you know the so called awkward of the cruel injustices of elegantly living either went black lab talk about domestic violence and talk about bomb article of violent political effect or we're not necessarily stay and we will go to
the police and i always call it now because you know our community have been invaded and have been under street you go to the very date when the police out of the police and dea do need to treat but you know that had a violent with respect to you know and with an audiobook and clark but it is that we all know that we have their more layers to have entertained you know all the black men who play a lot of cricket you know crime in particular that lifted barbara smit author of the book the truth and never hurt riding on race gender and freedom published by rutgers university press if you have questions comments or suggestions as your future in black america programs write us also let us know what radio station you heard is over the views and opinions expressed on his program and not necessarily those of the station or of the university of texas at austin and do we have the opportunity again for ivy a technical producer david allen as i
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