The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer : WETA : November 4, 2009 7:00pm-8:00pm EST; The NewsHour With Jim Lehrer

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>> Lehrer: GOOD EVING. I'M M LEHRER. ON THE "NEWOUR" THIS WEDNESY: THEEAD STORY: OFF-YEAR POLITICS AS REPUBLICS WIN THE GOVERNORS RACES INEW JERSEY AND RGINIA. GWENFILL HAS THE RESULTS, AND JUDY WOODRUFF DS THE ANALYSIS. THEN, AFTER THE OTR NEWS OF THE DAY: TWO TAKES AFANISTAN; A REPORT ON THE SHOOTINGS OF FIVE BRITISH SOLDIERSAND A MARGARET WARNER INTERVIEW WITH PRESINT KARZAI'S RIVAL, ABDULLAH ABDULLAWHO TALKS ABOUT KARZAI ANFRAUD. THENJEFFREY BROWN EXPLORES PROVOCATIVE TALKN T.V. AND RADIO, A ITS IMPACT ON TODAY'S POTICS.

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>> Lehrer: REPUBLANS CELEBRATED TODAY OVER ELECTI DAY VICTORIES IN MAJORACES. WHILE WHITE HOUSE OFFIALS-- AND DEMOCRATS IGENERAL-- PLAYEDOWN THE RESULTS. WEN IFILL HAS OUR LEAD STORY REPORT. >>Reporter: ONE YEAR AFTER THE VOTEROF NEW JERSEY AND VIRGINIA HELPED ELECT BARACK OBAMA PRESIDENT, THEY VERSED COURSE ST NIGHT, HANDING THEIR STATES' TOP JOBS TO RUBLICANS. NATIONAG.O.P. CHAIRMAN MICHAEL EELE SAID TODAY HIS PARTY HA FOUND ITS VOICE AIN. > AS RECENTLY AS A COUPLE OF

>> THEEPUBLICAN RENAISSANCE HAS BEGUN. IT HAS BEN IN EARNEST, IN WHCH WE PUT OUR FAITH IN THE HOPES AND DREAMS OFHE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO REBUILD OUR ECONO FROM THE BOTTOM UP,OT THE BIG DEFICITPENDING PLANS AND POLIES OF THE POLITICIANS IN WASHINGTON OR OUR STA CAPALS.

>> Reporr: VIRGINIA REPUBLICANS, CLUDING FORMER ATTORNEYENERAL BOBcDONNELL, SWEPT THE NIGHT-- McDONNELL A NEARLY 20-POINTARGIN OVER DEMOCRATIC STATE SENATOR EIGH DEEDS.

>> EIGHT MONTHS AG I APPLIED FOR THE JOB OF GOVNOR OF VIRGINIA. ONIGHT, YOU HAVE HIRED ME. THANK YOU! ( APPLAUSE ) Reporter: PRESIDENT OBAMA CAMPAIGNED REPEATEDLFOR BOTH EDS IN VIRGINIA AND NEW JERS GOVERR JON CORZINE, BUT IT WASN'T ENOUGH TO SWAY INDEPENDENT VOTERS, ESPECIAY IN VIRGINIA. STILL, WHITE HOUSEPOKESMAN ROBERT GIBBS SAID THRESULTS REFLECTED LOCAL NCERNS, AND SHOULD NOT BE COIDERED A REFERENDUM ON E OBAMA ESIDENCY. A SIMILAR RNING CAME FROM DEMOCT TIM KAINE, THE OUTGOING VIRGINIAOVERNOR AND NATIONAL PARTY CHAIRMAN.

>> WE'VEOT BOTH U.S. SENATORS, WE PUELECTORAL VOTES BEHIND PRESIDENOBAMA, WE CONTROL A MAJORI IN THE STATE SENATE AND WE NO CONTROL A MAJORITY IN OUR HOUSE DELEGATION AND 'RE GOING TO WIN LOT MORE RACES IN YEARS TO ME. Reporter: IN NEW JERSEY, REPUBCAN U.S. ATTORNEY CHRIS CHRISE BEAT DEMOCRAT CORZINE IN A CTEST THAT WAS DOMINATED BY WORRIES OVER THETATE'S DISMALCONOMY.

>> THE SUFFOCATING TAXES AND GOVEMENT THAT WAS OUT OF CONOL HAS RENDERED TRENTON COMPLETELY OUT OF TOUCH. MORROW-- STARTING TOMORROW-- WE ARE GOING TO CK TRENTON UP AND WE E GOING TO TURN IT UPDE DOWN.

>> Reporter: CORZI OUTSPENT HIS REPUBLICAN FOE BY $12 MILLION LLARS IN HIS BID FOR A SECOND TERM.

>> THERE IS BRIGHT FUTURE AHEAD FOR NEW RSEY IF WE STAY FOCUSED ON THE THINGS THAT MATTER IN PEOPL LIVES, AND I GUARANTEE YOU, I'M GOING TDO FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, WORKI WITH ALL OF YOU FOR THE THINGS THAT MATTER.

>> Repter: DEMOCRATS ENJOYED ONE BRIGHT SPOT YESRDAY-- WIING A HOTLY CONTESTED CONGRESSIOL SPECIAL ELECTION UPSTATE NEW YORK, AS BILL OWENS DEFEED CONSERVATIVE PAR CANDIDATE DOUG HOFFMAN. THE RACE ATTRACTED NATIONAL ATTENTION WHECONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS LIKE SARAH PALIN ENDOED HOFFMAN OVER PARTY PICK DEDE SCOZZAVA. E DROPPED OUT OF THE RACE A ENDORSED THE DEMOCR. A TRIO OF BIG CITS ALSO HELD CLOSE ELECTNS YESTERDAY. IN NEW YORK, INDEPENDENT MICEL LOOMBERG SCORED A THIRD TERM BUT ONLY AFTER BREAKI ALL ECORDS FOR A PERSONALLY FINANCED CAMPAIGN-- SNDING ARLY $100 MILLION. HE BEAT CITY COMPTROLLER BI THOMPS BY ONLY SIX POINTS INSTD OF THE DOUBLE DIGITS PREDICD IN PRE-ELECTION POLLIN BUT HE SD TODAY HIS WAS NOT A

>> I DON'T THINKHE MARGIN OF VICTY WAS NARROW. WN THE YANKEES WIN-- WHETHER THEY WIN IN FOUR, FIVE, S OR SEVEN-- IT'S NBER 27, THAT'S ALL THAT MATTER OKAY, AND I'M JUST HONORED THAT NOT THE PLURALITY, WHICH I ALL YOU NEEDED, B THE MAJORITY OF THE PEOPLE IN THISITY SAID KEEP UP THEARD WORK.

>> Reporter: IATLANTA, TWO CANDIDES WILL FACE A ROFF NEXT MONTH. CONCILWOMAN MARY NORWOOD OF ATLTA GARNERED THE MOST VOTES, BUT NEITHER SHE NOR RUNNERP KASIM RD, A STATE SENATOR, RECEIVED MORE THAN 50%. ELECTED, NORWOOD WOULD BE T CITY'S FIRST WHITE MAYOR IMORE THAN 30 YEARS. THERE LL BE ANOTHER MAYORAL RUNOFF IN USTON, THIS ONE BETWEEN FMER CITY ATTORNEY GE LOCKE AND CITY CONTROLLER ANNISE PARKER. PARKEROULD BE THAT CITY'S FIRST OPENLY-GAY MAYOR. IN ANOTHER CLOSELY-WATCD CONTEST, MAINE VOTERS REPEAD A SIX-MONTH OLD L LEGALIZING SAME-SEX MRIAGE. THE DEBATE RLED THE STATE.

>> EVERYBODY OULD BE ABLE TO GET MARRI IF THEY WANT TO. I HAVE A LOT OF FRIENDSHO ARE, YOU KNOW,HO ARE GAY, AND I'M HAPPY TO BE ABLE TO VOTFOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO GET RRIED.

>> E ONLY QUESTION THAT REALLY BOTHERED ME WAS T VERY FIRST ON ANDYOU KNOW, I JUST THINK THAT WE NEED TO VOTACCORDING TO WHAT BELIEVE IN.

>> porter: GAY MARRIAGE INITIATIVESAVE NOW BEEN REJECTEDN ALL 31 STATES WHERE IT'S BEEN P TO A POPULAR VOTE.

>> Lehrer: JUDY WOODFF TAKES IT FROHERE.

>> Woodruff: NOW PUTTG THESE ELECTION RESULTS INTOOME CONTEXT. WE T THAT FROM AMY WALTER, EDITORN-CHIEF OF "THE HOTLIN, "NATIONAL JOURNAL'S" POLITICADAILY. AND STUART ROTHENRG, EDITOR AND PUBLISHER OF "THEOTHENBERG POLITICAL REPORT." THANK YOU BOTH FOBEING HERE. STU STATUE WITH ART WITH YOU. PULLINIT ALL TOGETHER, WHAT WASHE MAIN THING MOTITING VOTERS YESTERDAY

>> THE POLLS TELL US IT WAS THE ECONOMY, AND JOBS,EOPLE WERE CONCERNED WH THAT, CONCERNED WITH THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTRY, BUT PARTICULARLY THE ECONOM BUT I THINK FOR MANY O THE VOTERS WHO RNED T, ALTHOUGH WE DON'T SEIT IN THE POLL, CONSERVATIVES AND INDEPENDENTS, IT WA A CONCERN ABOUT THE COUNTRY, THE SIZE OF GOVERNMNT, THE ACTIVITIES W'VE BEEN SEEING NATIONAL.

>> Woodruff SO PRETTYMUCH WHAT EVERYBODY HAS BEETALKING ABOUT AMY.

>> YES, ND IT'S ALSO A CHANGE ELECTON. 2008 AS KNOWN AS THE CHANGE ELECTION. FUNNY HOWSOMETIMES THOSE TNGS CAN COME AND BTE YOUACK. YOU HAALL THE FOLKS IN 28, TURNED O VOTING FOR CHANGE, IN 209, WE SAW A VERY FFERENT-LOOK ELECTORATE. FEWER DEMOCRA TURNED OUT. A T MORE SELF-DESCRIED NSERVATIVES, A LOT OF REPUBLICANS TURNEOUT, BOTH IN NEW JERSEY AND VIRGINIA THOSE PEOPLE HAVBEEN HUNGERING FOR CHANGE F SOME TIME. THEY' BEEN SITTING IN STATES HAT HAVE BEEN CONTROLLED B DEMOCRATS,HERE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN DOING VERY WELL. THEY WANTED TO SEND A SSAGE AND THEYID.

>> SE MESSAGE, DIFFERENT PARTY. FOR TWO CYCLES DEMOCRATS TALK ABUT CHANGE.

>> Woodruff: DOE KNOW WHY DEOCRATS AND DEMOCRATIC-LEANING INDEPENDES DIDN'T TURN OUT, WEREN'T ASXCITED, ESPECIALLY IN THESE GOVERNORS RACE WELL, I MEAN, IN SOME CASES, IN THE CASE OFOVERNOR COINE IN NEW JERSEY, THEY JUST DIDN'T THINK H PERFORMED WELL.f1 SOME DEMOCRATS WEREN'T THEY STAYED HOME. IVIRGINIA, WHICH SHOULD HAVE BEEN-- IT WAS REALLY MORE OF A FAIR FIGHT, I THINK IT WAS A COMBINATIONF THINGS. CERTALY THE REPUBLICAN, BOB McDONNELL, RAN A TRIFIC CAMPAIGN. HE AS A CONSERVATIVE. HE HAD ALLHE CREDENTLS TO VERS IN VIRGINIA. T HE RAN BASICALLY A PRAGMIC CAMPAIGN, AGAIN, ABOUT TRANSPORTATION ANJOBS ANTHE ECONY, AND THE FUTURE A CHANGE, AND I THINK HE RAN A TERRIFIC MPAIGN, THE PERFECT KINDF CAMPAIGN, A DEMOCRATS JUST WER'T ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS AND REPUBLICANS DID A OD JOB OF PAINTING HIM AS A TAER AND ENDER AND IT WORKED WELL FOR HIM. >>AND IT GOES TO TIS POINT ABOUT 2008, THE SO-CALLED OBAMA SURGE VOTERS PEP. WE MORITY VOTERSURNED OUT. INDEPENDENTS MOREODERATE OR LIBERAL LEANING, THOSE DON'T CONVEY LIKE A REFRIGERATOR IN YOUR HSE WHEN YOU SELL I YOU HAVE TO MOTIVATE THE VOTERS. NEITHER GAVE THOSE VOTS THE INCEIVE THAT THEY WERE LOOKING FOR. WE ALSO THK BOROUGH THE SORT OF STEREOTYPE. THEY WERE MOTIVATED BY CHANGE AND OPTIMISM AND HOPE. AND IN T EXIT POLLE SAW-- MAJORITY VOTERS SAW CORZI NNING A NEGATIVE CAMPAIGN.

>> Woodruff:MY, PITCHINGIT ORWARD, AND YOU HAD THEDEFEAT OFTHE CONSERVATIVE CANDIDATE I THE CONGRESSIONAL DISICT. WHAT DOES TIS SAY F REPUBLICANS GOG FORWARD? NEXT YE'S MIDTM ELECTION.

>> STU BROUGHT T ISSUE OF THE ECOMY UP, AND I THINK THAT' VERY CLEAR. VOTERS HAVE ONE THING ON THEIR MINDIGHT NOW, THE ECOMY AND JOBS. IN PLACE LIKE NEW JERY, PROPERTY TAXES ARE AAYS A BIG SUE. AND IF DECRATS CAN'T LIVER ON THAT-- REMEMBER, THESE WERE THE INCUMBENT PARTIES VIRGINIA AND NEW JERSEY-- TN VOTERS ARE GOING TO YOU KNOW, VOTE AGAINST THEM. MOCRATS IN THE HOUSE AND SENATE, IT'SHEIR CONGRESS NOW. IT-- THE ECONOMY IS NOW THIRS. AND THEY HAVTO PROVE NEXT YEAR TO VOTS THAT THEY ARE WORTHY OF HAVING THAT LEADERSHIP.

>> YEAH, WOULD SAY TWO POINTS PLAYING OFF AT AMY JUST SAID EXACTL I THINK THIS ELECTION DEMOTRATES THAT THE COUNTRY HAS TURNED PAGE ON GEORGE W. BUH, AND REPUBLICANS CAN BREATHE A HUGE SIGH OF RELIEF O THIS ONE. R THE LT TWO CYCLES REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES HA BEEN ON THE DENSIVE, EXPLAINING WHY THEY'RE NOTEORGE. BUSH, WHY THEY'RE NOT RPONSIBLE FOR IRAQ OR THE ECOMY. NOW THEY CAN TA ABOUT THEIR OWN STANCE. ST QUICKLY, THE SECONDHING-- THE OTHER THING I WOLD TAKE AWAY, REPUBLICANS WHEN THEY GET KBDZ-- CANDIDATES WHO PERSONALLY ATTRACTIVE, APEALINGHO CAN ALSO RCH OUT TO SWING VOTS, IT'S A VE GOOD COMBINATION, AND WHEN THEY CAN, THEY'RE IN G TROUBLE.

>> odruff: WHAT DOES THIS SAY FOR PRESIDENT OBAMA'AGENDA? HE HASERY IMPORTT BOORVZ THE CONGRESS RIGHNOW, AMY, HEALTH CARE, EERGY, CAP AND TRADE RIGHT AROUND THE CORN. WHAT DOES IT SAY ABOUT HIS ILITY TO GET MEMBERSES OF CONGRESS TO VO WITH HIM?

>> IHINK THERE ARE MIXED MESSAGES ON. ON THE ONE HAND, THE ECONOMY WAS THE NUMBER O ISSUE,ND THE DECRATS LOST ON THE ISSUE. F DEMOCRATS GOING FORWA THEY NEED TO BE ABLE TO GIVE TANGIBLE BENITS TO VOTERS GOI INTO TH NEXT ELECTION ON ISES LIKTHE ECONOMY AND JS. ON HEALTCARE, A LOT OF THE TALK AOUND IT, T CONTROVERSY SURROUNDING , I THINK OF IT AS A DOUBLE-EDGED SWD FOR DEMOCRATS ON THE ONE HAND THEY HAVE TO PROVE THEY ARE DOING GOOD JOB GOVERNG, THAT THEY-- SO THEY NEED TOASS SOMETHING. WE HAVE CONTROL OF EVERYTHING, WE CAN ACTUALLY PUT OUR AGENDA FORWARD. ON THOTHER HAND, A LOT OF THE ELEMENTS THATOOB CONTAINEDN A HEALTH CARE PLAN INCLDE THINGS LIKE TAXES ND MORE GOVERNMENT OVERSIGHT, THIN TH VOTERS IN THESE TWO STES REJECTED. SO TAT, I THINK, IS SOMETHING GOING FORWARD THAT DEMOCRA ARE ING TO BE WARYF.

>> I THINK IT'S ALL ABO THE NARRATI, AND THE NARRATIVE OUT OF THIS ELECTION IS THAT TIMES HAVE CHANGED. THE PRESIDENT CAN'T CARRY C CARRY IT TO VICTORY, THE PRESIDENT CAN'T TURN OUT VOTERS. >THE STORY THAT'S BEIN TOLD. THAT WE'RE A--.

>> Wdruff: IN THE MIA--

>> RIT--.

>> odruff: NOT JUSTBY ONE PARTY OR THE HER THAT IS PART OF THE REPUBLICAN NARRATIVE. BUT I THINK MOS PEOPLE WHO LOOK AT THE ELECTIONS, AND IN FCT OUR DISCUSSION HERES MOSTLY THIS IS A PREY GOOD NIGHT FOR REPUBLICS. NOW DEMOCRATS HAVE TONSWER THE QUESTION WHEN THEY GO ON YUR OW AND OTHER SHOWS, HAT HAPPENED? THEY HAV TO KIND OF JUSFYT

>> D WHY YOU DESERVE TO STILL BE HERE AND BE IN THE MAJORITY.

>> Woruff: LET'S TALK ABOUT A COUPLE OF THE SPECIFIC RES, NEW YORK CITY, MAYOR BLOOMBERG SPENT OVER $100 MILLION, AMY, GET RELECTED. ANYTHING TO SAY AUT HIS ROSPECTS?

>> A L OF PEOPLE TOOK FROM THAT, INCLUDING THE MAYOR, THAT THIS ELECTION WAJUST A BACKLH AGAINST INCUMBENTS IN GENERAL. AND UNLIKE-- UNLIKE THOTHER FOLKS THAT S AND I LKED ABOUT, HE'S PERSONALLY POLAR. PEOPLE LIKE MAYOR BLOOMBERG. THEY DIDN'T DISLIKE HIM--

>> THEY--

>> WHAT THEY DON'T THINK PARTICULARLY LIKE-- YOU TNK ABOUT NEW YORK, THE NEW YORK VOTERS, THE NE JERSEY VOTERS, BOTH THE SAME SORT OF DON'T-- THEY CAN BE RUBD THE WNG WA PRETTY EILY. I THK THAT YOU SAW $1 MILLION ING OUT TO BEAT THUP GUY WHO LITERALLY SPENT $ PER VOTE ASOPPOSED TO BLOOMBERGHO WAS SPENDING $180 OR SOTHING PER VOTE AND THEY THOUGHT THISIS JUST A LITTLEIT OVER THE TOP. I THINK THEYUST WANTED TO SEND A MESSAGE TO SAY, YOUNOW, LIKE THE YANKEES, THEY THW LIKE A GOOD YANKEE PITCH, THEY WANTED TO THROW ONE IN.

>> ONE IN FOUR VOTERS THAT APPROVED HISOB PERFORMANCE VOD AGAINST HIM. IS WAS A PERSONAL COMMENT. Y CHANGE THE LAW, SO YOU CAN RUN AGAIN. I THINK N YORKERSTHINK-- THEY DO WANT BLOOMBERG TO BE MAYOR. HEY JUST DON'T WNT HIM TO KNOW THEY WANT HIM TO BE MAYOR. THEY WNT TO SEND A MEAGE, HEY YOU DON'T RUN T WHOLE CITY CALM DO. Woodruff: ANYTHING WE SHOULD SAY ABOUT THESE HER MAYORS RARKSS ATLANTA, HOUSN, OF RTICULAR NATIONAL--

>> I MEAN, IHINK A LOT OF PPLE ARE GOING TO BE LOOKING AT BOTH OF THOSE RACES SIMPLY BECAUSE RA IS GOING TO BE AN IMPORTANT ISSUE IN HUSTON AND ATLANTA. THEY HAVE A WHITE WOMAN RUNNING UP AGAINSTN AFRICAN AMERICAN MAN.

>> odruff: AMY, JUST QUICKLY, THE VOTE AGAINST G MARRIAGE IN MAINE. WHAT DOES THAT Y ABOUT THE MOMENT FOR GAY MARRIAGE?

>> LOOK, I THINFOR PPONENTS OF GAY MARRIAGE, I THINK IT'S TIME F REALLY A RETOO LONG HERE. AND A RETRENCHING THAT THERE HAS TO BE-- Y KNOW, TH'VE TRIED THIS IN ALLINDS OF DIFFERENT STATES, IN ALL KINDS DIFFERENT WAYS, ALL KDS OF MESSANG. IT HASN'T BROKEN THROUGH, SO NOW INSTEAD OF TRYING T SELL THE ISSUE OF MARRIE, I THINK THEY'RE GOING TOHAVE TO COME BACK AND FIGE OUT MAYBE WE TRY TO TAKE THIS APART AND SELL IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.

>> Woodruff: A WALTER, STUART ROTNBERG, THANK YOU BOTH.

>> Lehrer: ON O WEB SITE: newshour.pbs.org,E HAVE LINKS TO COVERAGE OF THE NEYORK AND NEW JERSEY RACES BY OUR PBS COLLEAGUES. AND YOU CAN LISTEN TO AN INTERVIEW WITH AEPORTER FROM MAINE PUBLIC BROADCAING ABOUT THE SAME-SEX MARRIAGE RERENDUM.

>> Lehrer: IN OTH NEWS TODAY, AUTHORITI IN IRAN USED FORCE TO CSE THOUSANDS OF PROTESTERS FROM E STREETS OF THE CAPITAL. IT CAME AS IRAN MARKED T 30TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE U.S. EMBAY TAKEOVER. WE HAVE AEPORT NARRATED BY JONAAN RUGMAN INDEPENDENT TELEVISION NEWS. Reporter:T'S AN ANNIVERSARY WH IRANIANS USUALLY PROTEST AGAIT THE REVOLUTION OLD ENEMY: AMERICA. BUT TSE DEMONSTRATORS ARE DOG THE OPPOSITE: PROTESNG GAINST THEIR OWN REGIME AND THEN RUNNING AWAY WITH NOTORUS BASIJ MILITIA, ARMED WITH BATONS ANDIOT SHIELDS, IN HOT PURSUIT. THE POLICE HAD WARNED REFORMTS NOT TO EXOIT THIS ANNIVERSARY. BUT DIDN'T WORK, SO THEY MOVED IN TTING THIS MAN ON THE PAEMENT, AND BEATING WOMEN. ONE IHIT TO THE GROUND. A MAN WHO TRS TO INTERVENE IS DRGGED AWAY BY THEAIR. AND THEN A WOMAN KES HER LIFE INTO HER OWN HANDS

>> translated ): THERWERE MANY INJURELADIES WHO WERE HIT VERY SEVERELY. THEY EVEN FOLLOWED PPLE INTO SIDENTIAL BUILDINGS, I SAW THEM FORCING LOCKS ANDREAKING GLASS. THISSUE HAS CHANGED. IT IS NOABOUT THE ELECTION ANY RE. IT IS ABOUT FREEDOM OF EXPRESSION.

>> porter: THE PROTESTERS FOGHT CK BY FILMING WHAT TY COU; AND WHAT THEY'VE POSTED ON THE INTERNET CONTRADIS THE OFCIAL VERSION OF EVENTS. OUTSIDE THE OLD U.SEMBASSY THERE WATHE TRADITIONAL REVOLUTIONARY RALLY. HOUSANDS OF STUDENTS WERE BUED IN AND SHOUTED "DEATH TO ISRAEL" AND "DEATH AMERICA". THE OPPOSITION MARCHED WI A VERY DIFFERENTATTLE CRY. IRAN'S SUPREME LEAR AYATOLLAH KHAMEI WAS VILIFIED AS A MURDERER. PICTURES OF HIM TN DOWN AND EXTRAORDIRY THIS-- EVEN TRAMPLED UNDERFOOT. "HIS ADERSHIP IS OVER," THEY SHOUTED AND "DOWN WITH THE DICTATOR!" THEIR TARGET? NOT THE AMERICAN EMBAS, BUT THE RUSSIAN ONE BECAUSE SCOW ENDORSED PRESIDE AHMENNEJAD'S RE-ELEION. SO THEY CHANTED EATH TO RUSSIA," AS WELL. THE REFORMT CLERIC MEHDI KAROUBI DID VENTURE T BRIEFLY. THOUGH HE A MANY OTHERS WER TUED BACK BY TEAR GAS AND ANOTHER OPPOSITION LEADER R HOSE MOUSAVI WAS REPORTEDLY NNED FROM LEAVING HIS HOME.

>> hrer: THE PROTESTERS ALSO APPEALED FOR U.S. SUORT. THEY CHANTED, "OBA, OBAMA, YOU ARE EITHER WITH THEM,R WITH US." IN WASHINGTON, A WHITE HOUSE SPOKMAN CALLED FOR AN END TO VIOLEE AGAINST THE DEMONSTRATORS. AT THE SAMEIME, THE PRESIDENT SAID IN A STATENT THE U.S. SKS BETTER RELATIONS WITH THE IRANIAN GOVERNMENT THE U.S. SUPREME COURT WILL DECIDE WHETHER PROSECURS WHO FRAME DEFDANTS CAN BE SUED FOR DAMAS. THE JUSTIS HEARD ARGUMENTS TODAY INVOLVING O MEN IN IOWA WHO SERVED5 YEARS FOR A MURDER THEY DINOT COMMIT. THEIR LAWYERS ARGUED O PROSECUTORS FABCATED EVIDENCE AND ACHED WITNESSES. THE PROSECUTORS HAVE CLAID ABSOLUTE IMMUNY. THEY WARN THAT ALLOWG SUITS FO DAMAGES MIGHT UNLEASH A TORRENT OF SIMILAR STS NATIONWIDE. A CONCTED RAPIST IN CLEVELAND WAS ORDERED HE WITHOUT BOND TODAY, AER 11 CORPSES WERE FOUND AT HIS HOME SINCLAST WEK. ANTHONY WELL APPEARED IN COURT UNDER AVY SECURITY. HE FACES FIVE CHARGES OF AGGRAVATED MURDER AND E CHARGE OF RE. INVESTIGATS CONTINUED WORKING AT THHOUSE TODAY. THEY PLAN TO TEAR DO INTERIOR WALLS TO SEARCH FOR RE EVIDENCE, AND POSSIB MORE BODI. SOME OFHE VICTIMS HAD BEEN REPORTED MISSING YEARS A, BUT CLEVELAND POLICE CHIEF MICHL McGRATH SAID THEIR DISAPPEARANCES HAD NOT BE IGNORED.

>> WE TRY TO LOOK AT THE TOTA SCOPE AND METIMES WE HAVE INDIVIDUALS REPORTED MIING EVERY OTHER EK FOR WHATEVER REASON. SO IF AERSON IS PORTED TO US MISSING EVERY OTH WEEK OR 12 OR 10 TIMES A YEAR, SETIMES WE PUT LESS CREDENCE TO THAT BUT WE CONTINUE TO CALL T FILY BECAUSE 99% OF THE OUR MISSING ERSONS USUALLY SHOW UP WITHIN THE NE 48-72 HOURS.

>> Lehrer: MOST, IF NOTLL, OF THE VICTIMS WERBLACK WOMEN. BUT THE CHIEF DENIED RACE S A FACTOR IN THE WAY THE CASE S HALED. INTEREST RATESN THE U.S. WILL STAY WHERE THEARE FOR NOW. THEEDERAL RESERVE ANNOUNCED THAT DECISIONODAY. SAID ECONOMIC ACTIVITY HAS CONTINUED TO PICUP AND THE HOUSING RKET IS IMPROVING. B, IT ALSO WARNED RISING UNEMPLOYMENT A THE ONGOING CREDIT CRUNCHRE STILL BIG OBSTACLES TO A RECOVY. THE FED ANNOUNCENT FAILED TO GIVE MUCH OF A BOOST TO WALL STREET. THE DOW JONES INDUSTRL AVERAGE GAID 30 POINTS TO CLOSE AT 9,802. THE SDAQ FELL MORE THAN A POINT TO CLE AT 2,055. AL TODAY, NEW YORK STATE SUED INTEL, E WORLD'S LARGEST MAKER OF COMPUTER CHIPS FOR AN-TRUST VIOLATIONS. THEUIT ALLEGED "ILLEGAL THREATS AND CLUSION." THE COMPANDENIED THE CHARGE. FOR THRECORD, INTEL IS A "NEWSHOUR" UNDERWRITER. THE U.S. HOUSE HASOTED TO SPEED UP ENFORCENT OF NEW CRED CARD RULES. THE BILL PASSED TODAY FORC CREDIT CARD CPANIES TO COMPLY WITH NEW RULES INTEREST RATES AND FEES, BY DECEMBER 1. THE ORIGINAL DATE WAS NEXT FEBRUARY. SEVERAL COMPANI HAD BEGUN RAISING FEES TO BEAT E FEBRUARYEADLINE. THBILL NOW GOES TO THE SENATE. LAWMARS IN CALIFORNIA TODAY APPROV $11 BILLION TO OVERHAUL THE STATE'S AGING TER SYSTEM. AFTER YEARS OF WRANGNG, THEY AGREED THE MONEY WLD GO FOR NEW DAM GROUNDWATER CLEAN-UP AND WATER RESTORATION. GOVERN SCHWARZENEGGER IS EXPECTED TO SI THE LEGISLATION. A P U.S. DIPLOMAT MET TODAY WITH THE OPPOTION LEADER OF MYANMAR--HNG SAN SUU KYI. ASSISTANT SECRARY OF STATE KURCAMPBELL WAS THE MOST SENIOR AMERICAN OFFICIAL VIS THE FORMER BURMA IN 14 YEARS. SUU KYI WAS ALLOD TO MEET WITH HIM AT A HOTEL, AFTER SNDING MOST OF THE PAST TWDECADES UNDER HOUSE ARREST. TH OBAMA ADMINISTRATION HAS APPEALED FOR HER RELEA.

>> Lehrer: D STILL TO COME ON THE "NEWSHOUR" TONIGHT: TALK OUT TALKERS; A FORMER C.I.A. AGENTCONVICTED IN ITAL THAT FOLLOWS OUR TWO AFGHANIAN STORIES. WE BEGIN WITH THE ATTK ON BRITISH SOLDIERS INELMAND PRINCE. NICK PAYTON LSH OF "INPENDENT TELEVISION NEWS" REPORTS FROM KABU

>> Reporter: ITAS PERHAPS THE WORST AFTERNOON THEY'VEAD HERE AT CAMPASTIEN SINCE THE WAR BEGAN. THEY SAVE LIVES RE DAILY, BUT SELDOM THIS MANYOF THEIR OWN UNTRYMEN. ONE SILE SHOOTING CLAIMING THE LIVES OF FIVE BRISH SOLDIERS IN AN INSTANT THACOULD SHAKE TO'S WAR STRATEGY. THE HELICOPTERS PT ON COMING, SIX BRISH SOLDIERS AND TWO AFGHAPOLICE, ALSO BADLY WOUNDD. 92 BRITISH TROO HAVE DIED THIS YR, MOST FROM ROADSIDE BOMBS OR GUIRE. BUT THIS W DIFFERENT, SHOCKING. THESEEN WERE SHOT DEAD BY A MEMBER OF THEIR OWN AM, THEY WERE MEANT TO TRUST-- AN AFGN POLICEMAN.

>> THEYORKED AS THEY HAD FOR THE LAST 2 EKS WITH AFGHAN NATIONAL PICEMAN, AND IT WOULD APPEAR INITIAL UNDERSTANDINGF AT WENT ON IS THAT AN INDIVIAL AFGHAN POLICEMAN, POSSIBLY ACTING IN CONJUNCON WITH ONE OTHER, STARTED RING INIDE THE CHECKPOINT.

>> Reporter: THE INCIDT TOOK PLACE 400 TERS FROM A BRITISH BASE IN NADELI. IT WAS QUAER PAST THREE AFTER A JOT FOOT PATROL. THE BRITISHRAINERS DEBRIEFED THE AFGNS, THEIR BODY ARMOR OFF, TIR WEAPONS NEARBY. ON THE ROOF, THE GUNMANHOT HIS AFGHAN COMMANDE BEFORE AIMING THE AK-47 AT THE BRITISH. HE THEN ESCED ON A MOTORBIKE INTO A TALIBANTRONGHOLD. GORDON BROWN SD THE TALIBAN WERBEHIND THE ATTACK, AND HAD NFILTRATED THE AFGHAN POLICE THE TALIBAN SPOKESN AGREED, AND SAID MORE SUCH ATCKS WOULD FOLLOW. THE TALK OF TENSIONS BEEEN THE BRISH AND AFGHANS ON THE FRONT LINE WAS METITH A SHOW OF UNY THIS AFTERNOON.

>> ( translated ): WE HAVE PASSED OUR SPATHIES TO THE FAMILIES OF THE DD SOLDIERS. NOW WRE HERE WITH THE BRITISH GERAL TO SHOW OUR COMMITMEN TO THE IESTIGATION AND TO THE COOPERATIVE WORK WE DO ESTABLI EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED.

>> WELL, THE FIRST INT, WE HAVE TO TRUST THE UNIFO OF THE AFGHAN PICE. AND THE SECOND POINT, WOULD MAKE IS WE WILL GET BTER AT THIS. AND WE WI MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR US, ABSOLUTELY, FOR PEOP TO UNDERSTAND WHOE'RE WORKING WI, BECAUSE WE WILL TRAIN TM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THEY'RE CAPABLE OF DOING THE JOB THWAY THEY ED TO DO THE JOB.

>> Reporter: TONIGHT, LOCALS REPORTED GUNFIRE IN NEBY ILLAGES AS TROOPS SEARCHED F THE GUNMAN. LOCALOURCES HAVE TOLD CHANNEL FOUR NEWS T GUNMAN WAS CALLED AGE 28. -ARMY, HE'D BEEN IN THE POLI FOR TWO YEARS, D AT THE CHKPOINT FOR A FEW MONTHS. IT'S NOT YET NFIRMED IF HE WAS WORKING FOR THE TALIBAN, SETTLG A GRUDGE, OR LOOKING FOR TRIBAPRESTIGE. AFGHAN POLICE ARE TRNED ICKLY, NATO WANTS TO HUGELY INCREASE THEIR NUMBER. THERE ARE FEA THAT BAD CRUITING IS TAKING CORRUPTIO N THEIR RANKS TO NEW HEIGH. Lehrer: AND TO MARGARET,÷ WARNER'S INTERVIEWITH ABDULLAH ABLLAH, THE AFGHAN PRESIDTIAL CANDIDATE WHO DROPPED T ON SUNDAY. THE IERVIEW WAS DONE BEFORE WORD REACHED KABUL OF E ATTACK ON THE ITISH SOLDIERS.

>> Warner:OCTOR ABDULLAH, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR DOING THIS.

>> YOU' WELCOME. Warner: YOU SAID TODAY THE PROCESS IS COMPLETED WITH A FINAL ILLEGAL ACT. SO YOU ARE ACCEPTING THAT MID KARZAI IS THE NEXTRESIDENT OF AFGHANISTAN.

>> ACCEPTED THAT THE PROCESS HAS COMPLETED ITSELF, BUTT THE SAME TIME, I STRESSED THAT WAS ILLEGAL.

>> Warner: WHAKIND OF PRESSURE WERE YOU UER FROM SOME OF YOUR SUPPTERS TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT TODAY?

>> A LOT OF PRESRE. PEOPLERE VERY AGITATED THEY THEY WITNESSED WHAT HAPPEN DURING THE CAMPAIGN; DING THE ELECTIONS AND FINAL, AN INSTUTION, WHICH IS CREDIBILITY WAS DER SERIOUS, SERIS QUESTION IN THE EYES OF THE PEOPLE, DECES TO APPOINT A PREDENT.

>> Warner: SO YOURUPPORTERS...

>> O PARLIAMENTARIANS, THOSE WHO HAVE SUPPORTED ME, REPRESENTATIVESF THE CAMPAIGN, THE PELE AT LARGE THEY ARE VERY AGITATED. THEY ARE CALLING FOACTIONS, FOR PROTESTS AND SO ON A SO FORTH. I VE CALLED FOR RESTRAINT, I HAVE CLED FOR RESPONSIBLE ATTITUDAND I PROMISE THEM THAT I WILL CONTINUE. Warner: WHY WOULDN'T IT BE RESNSIBLE FOR YOU TO CHALLENGE THIS IN, SAY, THE SUPREMCOURT?

>> HAD THERE BEEN INDEPDENT JUCIARY, I WOULD HAVE DONE SO. ANI'LL FIGHT FOR THOSE PRINCIPLES: SEPATION OF POWER, STATE, INDEPENDENT JUDICIAR INDEPENDENT CONSTITUTIONAL COMMISSIO

>> Warne WHY WON'T YOU JOIN THIS GOVERNMENT?

>> MINE RIGHT FROM THE BEGIING HAS BEEN A MPAIGN FOR CHANGE. CHANGE, IDEAS, PRINCIPLES. AND, UNFORTUNATEL MR. KARZAI HIMSF HIS WAY OF DEALING WITH THESESSUES, THROUGHOUT, HAS BEEN MINISTRIES IN EXCHANGE F VOTES,INISTRIES IN EXCHANGE FOR ALLEGIANCES. I HAVEN'T AED FOR MINISTRIES. SOMEBODY ELSE IN MY CAMPIGHT, BU I HAVEN'T. AND I FOUND WHERE DO I FD MYSELF IN THIS SO YOU NEED SORT OF SHARED VISIONS, SHARED COMMITMENTOR PNCIPLES.

>> Warner: SO YOU'RE SAYG THERE'S SHARED VISION BETWEEN YOU AND MR. KARAI?

>> I THINK IT'S VERYIFFICULT TO FIND E.

>> Warner: NOW PRESENT OBAMA

>> Warner: NOWYESTERDAY, AT H PRESS CONFERENCE PRESIDENT KARZAI DID SAY TH HE RECOGNIZ THAT CORRUPTION HAD STAINED HIS ADMINISTTION AND HE WAS GOING TO TRY REMOVE THAT. RE YOU SAYING YOU THINK HE WANTS TO, BUTHE PEOPLE AROUND HIM WON'T LEHIM OR DO YOU THINK THAT HE'S JUST FDING THAT TO THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITBECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE KNOWS WE WANTO HEAR?

>> I THINK HE HAS TOLERED IT, HE HAS TERATED CORRUPTION FOR SO LONG. CORRUION IS SO ENTRENCHED. I DON'T THINKE HAS THE POLITICAL WILL TO DEAWITH IT-- OTHE TEAM, OR THE INSTRUMENTS

>> Warner: SO WHERE ES THIS AVE THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNY? YOU SAID AT YOUPRESS CONFERENCE JUST NOWHAT WITHOUT LEGITIMATE GOVERNMENT THE INTEATIONAL COMMUNITY CAN'T WORK WELL. UT PRESIDE OBAMA FACES A VERY SHORT TERM DECISION ABOUT SENDING MORE TROOP WH SHOULD HE DO?

>> THINK THE... THE BROADER PICTU, YES, WHILE THE AMERICAN GENERALS ONHE GROUND THEY SEE AN THEY SAY THAT WITHOUT ADDITIONAL FCES AND

>> rner: BUT LET ME TURN IT AROUND: WHY SHOULD THAMERICAN GOVERNMT AND THE AMERICAN TAXPAYER SEND MORE TOPS IF WHAT YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S GERNMENT HERE NOW FOR THE NEX VE YEARS THAT WILL NOT DELIR FOR ITPEOPLE, THAT WILL NOT OT OUT CORRUPTION AND WILL N BE A CREDIBLE PARTNER?

>> I THINK THIGOVERNMENT IS W-- NO MATTER WHAT WAS THE LEGAL PROCEDURE IN ACE, AND THE UNITED STATES HAS TO USITS LEVERA TO GET IT RIGHT.

>> Warr: AND DO YOU THINK THE U.S. S ENOUGH LEVERAGE TO MAKE PRIDENT KARZAI DO WHAT YOU THINK HE DOE'T HAVE THE POLITICAL WILL TO DO?

>> I WIL NOT BE ABLE TO JUDGE IT FROM MY POSITION. BUT E ANSWER IS THAT WITHOUT PRESSG FOR REFORM CAN WE ALL SUCCEEDN THIS SORT OF SITTION, THE ANSWER IS NO.

>> Warner: A YOU'LL BE PRESSING F REFORM FROM THE TSIDE?

>> I WILL, I WILL.

>> Wner: AN AIDE TO YOU DESCRIBED THIS AS HANG BEEN A VERY PAINFUL D EMOTIONAL TIME.

>> OH, I THINK CERTNLY, I EXERCISE WITH ALL ITS UP AN DOWNS, UPS AND WNS AND WITH A LOT OF DISAPPOINTMENTS IN BETWEEN, BUT I THINK THPEOPLE OF AFANISTAN HAVE LEARNED SOMETHING ABOUT IT. THEY'VE GONE THROUGH SOTHING AND I THINI WILL HAVE THE PPORT OF THE PEOPLE IN THE PURSUIT OF THOSE IDE.

>> Warner: DOCTOR ABDULLAH THANK YOU.

>> YOU'RE WELCOME.

>> Lehrer: NEXTONIGHT ... THOSE TV TALKS... AND EIR IMPACT ON HOW THE REST OF US "TALK" POLITIC JEFFREY BWN REPORTS.

>> IFT WASN'T FOR FOX OR TALK RADIO, WE'D BE NE AS A REPUBLIC.

>> Repter: IN A MULTI-MEDIA WORLD OFALK AND MORE TALK, THE LEST BIG TALKER IS GLENN BECK. KNOWN F HIS FOLKSINESS AND EMOTION, WHICH SOTIMES SPILLS OVER TO TEARS.

>> I JUST LOVE AMERICA.

>> Reporter: AND, MOST OALL, FOR HIS OVER-THE-TOP STYLAND WORDS, WHICH R MANY PUSH THE LIMITS OF ACCEABLE PUBLIC RHETORIC.

>> MARXIST REVOLUTIARIES WHO HAVE DEDICATED THEELVES TO DESTRING NATION AS WE KNOW IT. RACIST. Reporter: SINCE MOVING FROM N.N. HEADLINE NEWS TO FOX LA YEAR, BECK HAS SUCCESSFLY BUILT UP HIS CAB T.V. AUDNCE. HE N REACHES ALMOST THREE MILLION VIERS WITH HIS 5:00 PM SHOW. UNSEATING FOX'S SEAN HANTY FOR THE NUMBER TWO SPOT, RHT BEHIND THE NETWORK'S BILL O'REILL ON RADIO, BECK'S AUDICE OF NINE MILLION IS SECOND OY TO RUSH LIMBAUGH. ALL OF THE TALK SHOW HOSTS FAR EXCEED THE NUMBERS OF THEI LIBERAL COUNTERPARTS. AND AS THE NUMBS GROW, SO HAS THE ATTTION IN OTHER MEDIA, AND HIS SEEMING FLUENCE ON THE TIONAL AGENDA. BECK IS A PERSISTENT CRIT OF THE ESIDENT AND HIS POLICIES. AMONG MU ELSE, HE HELPED RALLY OPPONTS TO SHOW UP AND SPK UP AT THIS SUMMER'S TOWN HALL MEETINGON HEALTH CARE. AND LED THE WAY ON POSING PROBLEMS WI ACORN, THE COMMUNITORGANIZING GROUP THAT RAN INTO NUMEUS PUBLIC CONTROVERSIES.

>> I LIKE GLENN BE PERSONALLY AND I LIKE THAT HIS T.V. SHOIS SPEAKING UTH TO POWER, THAT'S HIS ATTIDE. HE REALLY IS TING TO OVERTURN E APPLE CARTS.

>> Reporter:OGER HEDGECOCK IS A NATIOLLY SYNDICATED CONSERVATIVTALK SHOW HOST CARRIED ON 100 STATIONS ROUGH THE "RADIO AMERICA" TWORK. HE RENTLY JOINED DOZENS OF OTH TALK SHOW HOSTS TO BROADCAST LIVE FR CAPITOL HILL, ADDRESSI THEIR DISCONTENT WITHHE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION'S IMMRATION POLICIES. BECAND OTHERS, SAYS HEDGECOCK, ARE GIVING E PUBLIC SOMETHING IT OTHERWISE DOESN'T GE

>> I MEAN, WHERE IN THE MAINSTAM PRESS ARE WE ACTUALLY GETTING INSTIGATIVE REPORTING OFHO'S BEHIND BARACK OBAMA. THAT IS, WHO ARE THE EMENTS OF HIS COALITION, WHY DO SMANY OF THEM APPEAR TO BE SELF AVED SOCIALIS AND COMMUNISTS IN A WAY THAT SUDDENLY WE CAN TALK ABOUT WITHOUT GEING LABELED... WITHOUT HAVING OUR ADVERTISS ATTACKED? THIS IS FACISM IN A WAY!

>> Report: THAT KIND OF RHTORIC, SAYTHOM HARTMANN, A PROGREIVE RADIO HOST, IS BOTH UNCIVIL AND DANGEROUS. RTMANN REACHES 60 STATIONS NATIOLLY ON HIS DAILY SHOW.

>> THERE ARE SOME PPLE WHO USE THE EXCUSEF SHOW BUSINESS TO BE VERY IRRESPONSIE AND PRESENT THINGS THAT ARE OT NEWS, THAT ARE T FACT AS IF THEY WERE FACT. I'M NCERNED THAT IN THE UNITED STATES, DEMAGOGUES AREEACHING OUT TOEOPLE WHO ARE APPROPRIATELY FRIGHTENEDND CONCERNED ABO THEIR ECONOMIC SITUATION. AND TELLING THEM THAT T PEOPLE THESHOULD BLAME ARE ACTUALLY THE PEOPLE WHORE TRYING TO HELP. YOU'VE GOT PEOPLE STANDINGN E STREETS, SAYING, "GLENN BE TOLD ME THAT THIS IS AN EV PL." >YELLING, SCREAMING, INSULTING, N ALWAYS CHECKING ITS FACTS. AND I SAY, "WHAT ELSE INEW?"

>> porter: MICHAEL HARRISON, PUBSHER OF "TALKERS" MAGAZINE, THE LEADING INDUSTRY TRADE PUBLICATION, SAYS, SOME HISTICAL PERSPECTIVE IS NECESSAR ADVOCACY AND SHAROPINION HAVE HAD A PLACE IN AMICAN JONALISM FROM ITS BEGINNINGS, SOMETIMES ARACTING HUGE AUDIENCES. HARRISON POINTS TO THE BROADCASTS OF FHER CHARLES COUGHLIN, WHOSEATE-FILLED RTS AGAINST JEWS AND OTHERS DREW SOME 40 LLION LISTENERS THE 1930s.

>> DIO... POPULAR RIO IN MERICA, ALL THE WAY BACK THE 30s, HAS BEEA STREET MEDIUM. IT'S ALWAYBEEN THE MEDIUM OF THE STREET, REFLTING POPULISM. SO WHAT Y HEAR ON RADIO AND WT YOU'RE SEEING NOW ON CABLE NEWSALK TELEVISION, WHICH IS REALLY AN EXTENSIO OF TALK RAIO, IS JUST THE FIRST AMENDMENT IACTION. >>eporter: IN SOME WAYS, SAYS KATHLEEN HALL JAMIESON, O STUES PUBLIC RHETORIC AT THE UNIVERSITY OF PESYLVANIA'S ANNENBERG PUBLIPOLICY CENTER AN OFTEN HELPS ANALYZE IT FOR US. TODAY'S SHARP-EDGED TALK DES COMEITH ADVANTAGES.

>> TO THE EXTENT THAT OPION TALKERS ARGUE FROM ONCLEAR EOLOGICAL POINT OF VIEW, THE INCREASE THE LILIHOOD THAT THEIR LTENERS UNDERSTAND THAT IDEOLOGY-- ARE ABLE TO SEE POLITICS THROUGH TH IDEOLOGY-- AS A RESULT THE POLICS IS COHERENT F THEM AND THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IINCREASES ENGAGEME AND THAT'S A POSITIVE EFFECT.

>> Reporter: BUT, JAMSON SAYS, IT'S ENGAGEMENT OF A CERTAI ND.

>> THE DOWIDE OCCURS WHEN THIS TYPE OF INSULATING DISCOURSES USED TO TAG THE OTHER SE-- THE OPPOSITION-- ASORE DIFFERENT THAN IT ACTUALLY IS FR THE LIENER. IT POLARIZES. SO THE DIENCE BECOMES LOCKED UP IN ITS OWN TTLE IDEOLOGICAL WORLD. THE RHERIC BECOMES MORE RILL, MORE STRIDENT, IT BECOMES HYSTICAL AND HYBERBOLIC AND THEN ONE'S SEE OF THAT AS APPROPRIATE DIOURSE, ONE BEGINS TO FEEL THAT IT'S APPROPRIATE TOIDICULE THE OTH SIDE, TO DEMONIZE THE OTHER SIDE. NE STOPS CALLING IT RIDICULE AND DEMONIZATION ANDNE STARTS THINK THAT THAT'S HOW WE TA POLICS.

>> Reporter: A, OF COURSE, THERE'S THE B FOR MANY: IF WHAT WE SEE AND AR IN THE TALK FESTS IS ACTULY HOW WE INCREASGLY TALK AND DO POLITICS. ON RESPONSE, FROM A CABLE NEWS HEAVYWEIGHTC.N.N.'S LOU DOBBS: WHAT'S WRONG WITH THA DOBBS, WHO'S MADE HIMSELF A LITENING ROD FOR HIS OFT- STATED BLASTS AGAINST IMMIGRATIOPOLICY, ADDED A RADIO PROGRAM TO HIS RTFOLIO LAST AR AND HAS BUILT AN AUDIEN OF 160 STATIONS. ONE OF THE GREAT THINGS ABO TALK RADIO IS THAT PEOPLE WHETHER EY'RE TALK SHOW HOSTS, LISTENERS OR CAERS, ARE SPEAKING FTHRIGHTLY. I THINK WEEED MORE OF THAT, NOT LESS. WE HAVE NOW A BODY PITIC THAT IS CONSTRNED BY SOME SORT OF POLITICAL CORECTNESS THAT SEEMS TO SK CONTROL OF THOUGHT AND EXPRESSION. WE NEED TO BREAK AWAYROM THAT. DON'T NEEDO BE UGLY IN OUR SPEH BUT NEED TO BE DIRECT AND YE EVEN SALTY.

>> Report: BUT ERIC BURNS OF "MEDIA MATTERS," A LIBER TCHDOG GROUP, SAYS THE BREAKING AWAY GOES TOO FAR.

>> ONE OF THE BIGGT PROBLEMS WE SEE WH LOU DOBBS, GLENN BECK, AND OTHER MEMBEROF THE CONSERVATI MOVEMENT IS THAT THY ARE REGULARLY PEDDLING CONSPIRACIES-- LIES ANSMEAR AMPAIGNS AND THESE ARE PROVE WRONG IORMATION THAT MAKE THEIR WAY INTOAINSTREAM MEDIA AND MAKE THEIR Y INTO HOMES AND THEIR LIVING ROOMSND THEIR TV SETS WHH PEOPLE TURN ON EXPECTINGO GET NEWS AND THEY'RE NOT GETTING NEW THEY'RE GETTG PROPAGANDA.

>> Reporr: ANOTHER ARGUMENT SOMETIMES PUT FORWARD IS AT ALL THIS TK IS, AFTER ALL, JUST A FORM OENTERTAINMENT AND MOST OF US KNOW T DIFFERENCE. GLENN BECK HAS LONWORKED AS A STANDUP COMEDIAN. HE PERFORMED ON A "COMMON NSE COMEDY TR" THIS SUMMER WHILE PROMOTING HIS LATESTESTSELLING BOOK. M.S.N.B.C.'S KEITH OLBMAN, WHO REGULARLY TACKS MEDIA FIGURES AND POLITICIANS ON E RIGHT SPENT HIS EARLY CAREER ING SPORTS. THE BOTTOM LINE FOR THESE PEOPLE, THIS ARGUME GOES, ISN'T POLITIC IT'S THE BOTTOM LINE.

>> ONE OF THE MISTAKES THA POLITICAL AIVISTS AND POLITICAL JUNKIES ANPOLITICAL MEDIA WATCHING ITSELF KE IS THT THEY FORGET THAT OLBERMAN' JOB IS NOT TO GET ANNE ELECTED OR TO GET ELECTED HIELF, NOR IS BECK'S JOB TDO THAT. THEIR JOBS TO BE IN THE NEWS, TO CREATE CONTROVERS TO BE ENTERTAINING AND DR AUDIENCE AND TO MAKE MONEY FORHEIR COMPANIES.

>> Reporter: MAYBSO, BUT ONE AREA WHERE THE RE OF TALK MAY BE HAVING AN FLUENCE IS ON TRADITIOL, STRAIGHT NEWS REPORTING. A RENT POLL BY THE PEW RESEARCH CENTER SHOWS THATHE PUBLIC'S TRU OF NEWS STORIES IS AT ITS LOWEST LEVEL IN RE THN TWO DECADES. KATHLEEN HALL MIESON SAYS TH'S NO ACCIDENT. >>OPINION TALK HAS ACTUALLY HELPED PRECIPITATE THE DECNE OF MAINSEAM MEDIA.

>> Reporter:RECIPITATE? R...

>> PRECIPITATE AND REFORCE. ONE OF THE ARGENTS MADE ON THE LEFT AND RIT IN OPINION TALK IS TH YOU CAN'T TRUST THE MAITREAM, IT DISTORTS OUR POINTS OF VIEW ON R IDEOLICAL SIDE, IT SELECTIVELY USEEVIDENCE TO DISADVANTAGE US, IT USES A DOLE STANDARD. AS A RESULT, YOU PAY ATNTION TO IT, GIVEN THAT IT DISTORTS, YOU' LESS LIKELY TO TRUSIT.

>> Reporr: A BACKLASH OF SORTS MAY BE UNDWAY. THE WHITE HOUSE HAS SIGNED IT'S HAD ENOUG WITH COMMUNICATIONS RECTOR ANITA DUNN RECENTLY CALNG FOX NEWS "A WING OF THE REPUBLIC PARTY." AND IN SEPTBER, CONSERVATIVE M.S.N.B.C. HOST AND FORMER REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMANOE SCARBOROUGH ANNOUNC AN "HONOR ROLL" FOR CONSVATIVES WILLING TO DENOUNCEHAT HE CALLED GLENN BECK'S "HAED." SPECICALLY CITING THE MICHAELARRISON, OF "TALKERS MAGAZINE-- WHILE EMBRACING PROVOCATIVE SPEECH-- AL SAYS HAISON AND OTHERS ALSO MAKE ONE MORE POINT WORTH REMEMBERING: AS TAY'S MEDIA BECOMEMORE FRAGMENTED, OGRAMS APPEAL TO SMALLER SCES OF THE PIE THAN IN THE DA OF THREE TELEVISION NEORKS, A HANDFUL OF RADIO GUPS AND CITY PAPERS. THAT MAY, IN THEND, LIMIT THE RGER INFLUENCE OF ANY PARTICULAR TALKER, NOATTER HOW LOUD HIS OHER VOICE APPEARS TO BE.

>> WE HAVE NATIONLY FAMOUS PEOPLE WHO REALLY HAVEUCH MALLER AUDIENCES THAN TH AWARENESS OF THEM WOULD KE YOU BELIEVE. WHAT HAPNS IS, THEY TALK TO THEIR FAITHFUL INERMS THAT THE FAITHF EXPECT AND UNDERSTAND. THEY PREACH TOHE CHOIR. AND SOME OF THE THIS THEY SAY ARE REPUANT TO PEOPLE WHO HAVE OTHER CHOIRS.

>> Reporr: SO A NATION OF CHOIRS. THE QUESTION : IS IT THE BEAUTIFUL MUSIOF DEMOCRACY IN ACTION OR THE CACOPHONY OF DESTRUCTIVE POLITI? >>ehrer: NEXT, THE VERDICTS

>> Lehrer: NEXT, E VERDICTS IN A .I.A. KIDNAPPING CASE IN ITALY. RAY SUAREZ HAS THAT ORY...

>> Reporter: THE VERDICTCAME IN MILAN, WHERE A JGE CONVICTED 23 AMERINS OF KIDNAPPING EGYPTIAN TERROR SUSPECT IN 2003. THEY'D EN TRIED IN ABSENTIA. THE CASE WAS CLOSELY FOLLOW IN ITALY. IT S THE FIRST PROSECUTION BY ANY GOVERNMENTINVOLVING EXTRAORDINARY RENDITI. THE C.I.A. PROGRAM MOD SUSPECTS FM PLACE TO PLACE OVERSEAS FOR INTERROGATION, WITHOUTRRESTS OF EXTRADITION HEARIS. THE TARGET IN THIS CASE W OSAMA MOUSTAFA HASSANASR, AN EGYPTIAN CLER ALSO KNOWN AS ABU OMAR LIVING POLITICAL ASYLUM IN ITALY. THE AMERICANSERE ACCUSED OF ABDUCTING HIM OFF THSTREET IN MILAN AS HE WALKED TO HI MOSQUE, ON FEBRUY 17, 2003. HE WAS KEN TO U.S. MILITARY BAS IN ITALY AND GERMANY BEFO WINDING UP IN EGYPT. 2007, HE WAS RELEASED WITHT BEING CHARGED. HE SHOWED DARK SCARS HIS WRSTS AND ANKLES AND SAID HE'D BEEN RTURED BY THE EGYPTIANS.

>> ( translat ): I WOULD LIKE TO APPEAL TO THE ITALIAN JUICIARY AND THE ITALIAN GOVERNMENT STAND BY ME IN THIS ORAL THAT I FACED. IANT TO GO BACK TO ITALY, BUT I'M BANNED FROM LEING EGYPT. I WANT TO GBACK AND STAND IN FRONT OFHE ITALIAN JUDICIARY AND OVE MY INNOCENCE.

>> Reporter: IN T END, ABU OMAR WAS NEVER ALLOWED RETURN TO ITALY. BUT T TRIAL PROCEEDED WITHOUT HIM AND WITHOUT A OF THE 26 AMERICANS ORIGINALLYHARGED IN THE CASE. MOSTF THE 26 WERE IDENTIFIED AS EMPLOYEES THE C.I.A. THREE WERE ACQUITTED,N PART, BECAUSE DIPLOMATIC IMMUNITY. THOSE CONCTED INCLUDED THE AGENCY'S FORMER STATION CHF IN MILAN, WHO GOT EHT YEARS IN PRIN. THE OTHER 22 WERE SENENCED TO FIVYEARS EACH. SEVEN ITALIANS RE ALSO CHARGED IN THE CASE, BUT ONLY T WERE CONVICTED AS ACCOMPLICE INASHINGTON, THE C.I.A. DECLINED TO COMMENT ON THE CE OR ITS TCOME. A ATE DEPARTMENT SPOKESMAN SAID THE U.S. GOVERNMENTS DISAPPOINTED, T HE SAID HE EXECTED AN APPEAL. THAT PROSS COULD TAKE YEARS. FOR MORE ON THE CASE WTURN TO A REPORTEWHO HAS COVERED IT SINCE THE BEGINNIN SEBASTIAN ROTELLA IS A NIONAL SECURITY CORRESPOENT FOR THE "LOS ANGELES TIMES" AND OTHE TRIBUNE NEWSPAPERS. UP UNTIL JU OF THIS YEAR HE WAS AN INVESTIGATIV CORRESNDENT BASED IN EUROPE ND FOCUSING ON TERRORISM. BASTIAN, THERE HAVE BEEN MA CASES OF EXTRAORNARY RENDITION REPORTED OVER THE PA EIGHT YEARS. HOW DID THIS ONE GET TO COURT?

>> THERE'S AN EXTRAORDINARY CONVERGENCE OF CIRCSTANCES IN THIS CASE. IT'S A RENDITION AT HAPPENED IN A WESTRN NATION, A CLOSE ALLY, AND T PEOPLE WHO DO IT, SEVERAL OF THEM WERECLOSE TO THE ITIAN POLICE, AN ELIT UNIT OFHE ITALIAN ANTI-TERRORIST POLIE, QUITE QUICKLYUSPECTED THEM, STARTED GATHERING GREAT DEAL OF PHYSICAL THAT HE S THEY HAD LEFT BEHIND AND WHEABU OMAR W RELEASED AND CALLED HIS WIFE THEY INTERCTED THE TELEPHONE CALL ANPUT THE CASE TOGETER AND QUICKLY BUILT TS MASSIVE PROSECUTION TT BENEFITS FROM CREDIT CAR CHARGESCELL PHONE TRAFFIAND OTHER THINGS THAT THEBDUCTION TEAM HAD LEFT BEHIND.

>> Suarez: THIS HAS BEEN GNG ON FOR SIX YEARS. DID AT ANY TIM THE U.S. GOVERNMENT ACKNOWLED THAT THESE PEOPLEAMEDAS DEFENDAN WE WORKING FOR THE U.S. GOVERNMENT AND INVVED IN SUCH A PROGRAM?

>> IT ACKNOWDGED THAT THE PEOPLE WHO WERE SED AT THE EMBASSY, WER BASED AT THE EMBASS- THERE WERE SEVERAL OF THEM-- TY SAID AS LITTLE AS POSSIBLE ABO MOST OF THEM, MOST BEING CLANDESTINE PARAMILITA OPERATIV.

>> Suarez: IT TEY SUNDAY OUT GOVERNME LAWYERS?

>> NO.

>> Suarez: UNER CURRENT LAW, WI THE AMERICANS CONVICTED TODAY FACE EXTRADITION? N THEY BE SENT TO ITALY TO DO JA TIME?

>> TORETICALLY, IT'S VERY UNLIKELY THAT WOULHAPPEN. I THINK E ITALIAN GOVERNMENT HASN'EVEN ISSUED ARREST WARRANTS BEYOND WARRANTS THAT HAVE BEEN ISSUED IN EUROPE. THE ON REAL DANGER TO THESE EOPLE WHO WERE CNVICTED WOULD BE IF THEY WERE TO TRAVEL SOMEWHE IN THE EUROPEAN UNI INHICH CASE THEY WOULD BE SUBJECT TO THOSE ARREST WARRANTS SDPLA SOMOF THE PEOPLE INVOLVED ON THE ITIAN SIDE WERE PRINENT ANTI-TERRORISM INVESTIGATOR IN SOME CES WORNG WITH THE PEOPLE WHO WERE ON TRIAL HERE. HOW DI THEY END UP TARGETING AMERICANS INSTEAD OF WORKING ALONGSIDE TH? >THAT'S ONE OF THE MOST REMARKABLE THINGS ABOUT IS CASE, PARTICARLY THE CIA CHIEF IN MILL, A VERYEXPERIENCED ANTIERROR OPERATIVE,ORKING CLOSELY WITH E ITALIAN POLE. BU AT THE SAME TIME HE'S WORKING WITH THE ITALIAN INLLIGENCE SERVICE, ANTHERE ARE ORDERS FROM ABE, KOORKD TO TESTIMONY, TO DO THBDUCTIONS SO HE ENDSUP BASILLY CARRYING OUT THIS OPETION SORT OF UNDER E NOSES OF T POLICE HEAS WORK FOR, THE POLE ARE ENRAGED BY THAT, FELT BETRAYED THAT AND THAT ITHINK GAVE AORT OF EXT PERSONAL IMPETUS TOOLLOW THE TRAIL WHERER ITLED.

>> arez: DID ANTHING COME UP DURIN THE TRIAL-- WHICH WAS LENGTHEE ABOUT WHETHER THE TALIAN GOVERNMENT AT AN LEVEL KNETHIS WAS ABOUT TO HAPN OR IN ANY WAY GREEN LIGHT THIS OPATION?

>> I THIN IT'S CLEAR FROM THE TESMONY THAT THE ITALN INTELLIGENCE SVICE GREEN LIGHT IT AND PEOPLE FROM THE ITALIAN INLLIGENCE SERVICE WERE INVOLVED. SOME OF THE PEOPLE WERE NOT ACQTTED TODAY-- THEY WERE IT'S CHARGES WERE SET ASIDE BECAUSE A STATE SECRECY LAW. >Suarez: FOR YOUS AN INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER,WATCHING HOW INTELLIGENCE AGEIES WORK, WAS IT SURPRISE AT THEY COULD FIND OUT AS MUCH ABOUT HOW HE AMERICANS CONDUCTED THIS OPERATION, AS QCKLY AS THEY DID, ONCIT WAS CLEAR THAT ABU MAR HAD BEEN SNATCHED OUT OF THE COUNTRY? >>T WAS SOMEWHAT SPRISING THAT THERE WAS SUCH AN EXTENSIVE PHICAL TRAIL. OBVIOUSLY, THE PEOPLE WH DID THOPERATION FELT THEY HADTHE GREEN LIGHT FROM FELLOW INTELLINCE SERVICES SO THEY COULD GO AHEAD. WHAT I FOUND REMARKABLE W THE HUN QUESTION WHERE YOUAVE THESE DIFFERT AGENCIES WORKING TOGETHER AND IS KIND OF TRAGIC FIGURE AT THEENTER OF IT, A CIA CHIEF WHO SUPSEDLY OPPOSED TH OPERATION, FELT IT WAS BAD IDEA AND WENT EAD AND DIDT AND ALL THE ACRIMONY AND BAD BLO AFTERWARDSGLAR AND YOU'RE SPEAKING OFROBERT LADY. IS HE SEPARATEDFROM THE CIA?

>> YES.

>> Suarez: HE WAS VEN THE MOST HARSH SENTENCE, EHT YEARS. CAN HE GO BA TO WORK FOR SECURITY AGENCIES, OR IS HIS CAREER BASICALLY OER?

>> I THINKOR A LOT OF THES PEOPLE TIR CAREERS ARE OVER. THE QUESTION IS, IF THEY ARE GOING TO WORK FOR SECURITY ANCIES THEY HAVE THIS PRLEM OF THESE PENDING ARREST WARRANTS AND QUESTIONS ABOUT TRAVEL D THINGS LIKE TH. IT'S A CASE THATREALLY SHOWS HOW THIS-- HOW THIS WORLD CAN B TREAEROUS FOR THE PEOPLE WHO ARE ON THE FRONT LINE.

>> Suar: NOW, THE MAN WHO WAS TAKEN OFF THE STREETS OF MIAN, ABU OMAR,NDS U BEING CAST MOST AS A VICTIM THIS CASE, BUT ITALIAN AND AMERICAN INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES SUECTED HE WAS CONNECTED WITH TRORIST GROUPS, DIDN'THEY?

>> I DON THINK THERE ANY DOUBT ABOUT THA THE VERY PROSECUTORS AND POLICE WHO IESTIGATED THE RENDITON WILLELL YOU THEY FELTE WAS A BAD GUY. THEY HAD HIM TARGED, BUT THEY DIDN'T FEEL HE WAS IMMINENT DANGER AND IT WAS A MIAKE TO DO TS OPERATION BECAUSE TEY COU HAVE EVENTUALLY CHARGED IN A COURT OF LA THIS IS T A CASE OF MISTAKEN IDENTITY OR A VICTIM SEEN IN SOME COURT AS PURELY ISN'T.

>> Suarez: DOES TODAY'S VERDICT STRENGTHEN HIS ATMPT TO WIN MILLIONS OFDOLLARS IN DAMAGES IN AN ITALIAN COUR

>> THEORETICLY, EACH OFHE DENDANTS WOULD HAVE TO PAY HIM I THINK, MILLION YOU'RE POPES I THINK THAT GOING TO BE HARD GIVEN THE VE PROSECUTORS AND VESTIGATORS HAVE SAID THAT THEY FE HE WAS A BAD BA GUY INLVED INERRORISM BUT IT WAS ANOTHER OF THEIRONIC ASPECTSOF THIS VERY CONVOLUTED CASE.

>> Suarez: YOU NTIONED ELIER HE GOT THE BALL ROLLING BY KING THE CALL TO HIS WIFE WHICH WAS TAPD. HE STILL IN PRISO IN EPT?

>> ME UNDERSTDING IS HE IS NOT. HE HAS BEENUT OF PRISON, BUT HE'S MONITORED IN A KI OF LIMBO WITHIN EGYPT, BUZ HE'S NOT IN PRISON.

>> Suarez: SEBAIAN ROTELLA OF THE REQUESTED TRIBUNE" NEWSPAPERS, THANK Y FOR JOINING US. >MY PLEASURE, THANK YOU.

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