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it's been it's been tough because the committee met in executive session earlier today we don't know what was set up the committee will come on there
is where the evidence it's usually do like a video campaign activities a whole group of people you all tanned my name is tall yeah well and your mom robert same again to a moment of like oh no the committee and witness after witness but do it because of what i've just like this to me and all the committee and have appeared pretty despicable me and the committee
and the committee has to be at all times he's just a lovely self incrimination also the government on the ground and in a testimony eat like a lot of my guilt to the dominican sign them out of the committee is that it and involuntarily the committee has requested all the witness on the pages of sections of six thousand and two and six thousand probably paddling canoes that go the committee
the attorney general of his application gets the region and that has been something that's a record killed one of the more than twenty days are up ahead are and the rest of the unit is now all that back in those previously been involved and that he is testifying under this all facets of the committee and you know stay home and while there is a witness the sort of the soul and he is notable that on the committee's questions and the jihadist cell all testimony presented to the committee and all the testimony when he may give to this committee has given you all this is on the autobahn is that correct the german
parliament committee the court that they'd like to be the facts on that committee there is also my understanding that innovation appearing interest was and after having line is constitutional privileges and the attachment of use immunity as chairman it's just going to get it the council or mr dana the previous executive session of this committee made certain other requests i'm particularly that the witness wage no rights and he was appearing and voluntarily of pursuant to a subpoena he filed an application to be excused from testifying here prejudicial but on the possibility of his subsequent trial and that he requested that coverage of the hearings be either these accusations are limited in
accordance with the rules of this committee i hope it's appropriate services chairman of those letters were taken into account by this committee assembled an executive session and their quest for the mind i think that the record often indicate that other misgivings completion a security situation will be no way for me to again recommit here and now the co chairman of a june eighteenth nineteen seventy three which i ask you again contained therein and of the inmate oliver you enlisted
this became a lawyer well we conclude that all material supplies of that orchestral mailings and other documents are under the same speed and there must be an army to be brought forward in that manner also we bring your attention again trial eighteen years ago seven mandate disclosure classified information and this gelpern of the armoire homeland of information
he regularly committee sent out the reason behind that man we were we right is that as chairman because as you a role where women rarely under a ruling by the uncle don history of this committee came into possession are hardened documents which mr shachtman on as councilman we have not even seen or sell their new collection if mr greene is to do they ask questions or more documents he does not have a copy of their version of the committee would have to our nation such copy him for him to be able to refresh over a collection and with as one of my true that this section and
your rule we are fortunately neither hillary clinton question i think the information over to me security deal this route carson
recalls it relates to be the fence or through our own out on relations with other nations i'm of the opinion from last third of the day a small apartment on the nfl and let's get a classified ad no internal security the police any differently german word in that respect and on great investment can watch report moderating connection protection of his contract and my understanding is the chief counsel for the committee and correct me if they're if
it's my understanding that on the last monday was transmitted to the witness with the committee announced a letter from mr leonard burman it counsel white house or a council house indicating that white house would not claim executive privilege as these witnesses' testimony norwood atlanta privilege are in a circle as well lead on matters reviews they would leave if the education committee that's correct december baker eventually wasn't while statement given to made by the president to follow up with a letter to being popular committee which he put in writing is authorized by the president to do as of just faded and the committee and executor john this past monday a bully by unanimous vote i'm sure by unanimous vote authorize the chairman of the committee in the matter of the handling of the west but
i think that a couple of years ago of the uk think they noticed it was you present day before i commence reading the rather lengthy statement i would just like to get a couple comments for a former chairman with the vice chairman and members of the committee it i sincerely wish i could say it's my pleasure to be here today but i think you can understand why it's not think you can take the microphone closer it's a very difficult thing for me because i thought about other people is far more easy for me to explain my own involvement in this matter the fact that i was involved in destruction of
justice the fact that i assisted another in her testimony to the fact that i do a personal use of funds that were in my custody are eager to talk about these things myself and talk about what other to fit some of these people although referring to our friends the mom and i greatly admire and respect that we represent the united states like to say this it is my honestly while the president wasn't all that he did not realize or appreciate at any time the implications of his involvement i think that when the facts come out i hope the president is forgiven or so at the request of committee i will commence with a general description of the atmosphere that existed in the white house and
prior to june nineteen seventy two one was in the white house and became somewhat familiar with its inner workings the watergate matter was in an inevitable outgrowth of the climate of excessive concern of the political impact of demonstrators excessive concern over leaks an insatiable appetite for political intelligence all coupled with a do it yourself white house staff regardless of the law however the fact that many of these elements of this climate culminated with the creation of a covert intelligence operation as part of the president's re election committee was not by conscious design rather an accident of fate these of course are my conclusions but i believe they are well founded in fact this committee however is not just that my conclusions rather than shooting the facts as i know them rather than my temper rising the climate and attitudes i fell over whether to present
the facts which themselves evidence some of the precursors of the watergate incident it was not until i joined the white house staff in early july of nineteen seventy that i really realized the strong feelings of the president and his staff had sort of anti war demonstrators and demonstrators in general but even before mike joining the white house that i was partly aware of his presidential concern and a concern that an army that much of the white house during my tenure at the justice department as an associate deputy attorney general i was involved in representing the government in discussions with demonstration leaders regarding the terms of demonstration permits for activities in the capital city while i was not the decision maker in this capacity within close proximity to the decision making process and thus realize that the white house actually mr erlichman often made or cleared the final decisions regarding demonstration activities was also because of my proximity to those
of all the demonstrations the department of justice that i became aware that the white house has continually seeking intelligence information about demonstration leaders and their supporters they'll either discredit them personally or indicate that the demonstration was in fact sponsored by some foreign enemy they're also white house request for information regarding ties between major political figures specifically members the united states senate who oppose the president's war policies and demonstration leaders i also recall that the information regarding demonstrators or rather the lack of information showing connections between demonstration leaders and foreign governments are major political figures was often reported to a disbelieving in complaining white house staff felt the entire system for gathering intelligence was worthless as i show elaborate shortly this attitude towards intelligence gathering capabilities of the government regarding demonstrations prevailed through my tenure in the justice department and at the white house and i was hearing complaints from the president
personally as late as march twelve of this year was when i joined the white house staff in july of nineteen seventy that i became fully aware of the extent of concern of the white house regarding demonstrations in intelligence information relating to demonstrators his apartment one month after i arrived at the white house i was informed about a product anything going on before iran to restructure the government intelligence gathering capacity is these are the demonstrators in domestic radicals the revised domestic intelligence plan were submitted and a document for the president or the parole the president of the committee has in his possession a copy of that document and certain related memorandum pursuant to the order goods to retire after i was told of the presidency approve plan b fall providing low rising male covers an ally i was instructed by <unk> allman to see what i could do to get the plan implemented
i knew there was great the senate is that the white house says the plan was implemented that he agreed to an fbi director hoover who oppose the plan with one exception mitchell thought that an inner agency a violation committed might be useful because he was not going to have the fbi standing alone without the information about other intelligence agencies and this generation has always do it and avoid duplication after my conversation with mitchell i wrote a memorandum requesting that the violation committed be established and the restraint or be removed later i told mr holman that the only way to proceed with one step at a time and this would be an important first step he agree the inner agency a violation committee the acc as it was referred to was created as i recall in early nineteen seventy one
i requested the jackpot to then assign a mile to serve as the white house liaison for the icy iowa mr caulfield left the white house mr david wilson of my staff servers liaison i'm unaware of the icy ever having engaged in any illegal activities are assignments and certainly knows that the simon we've never requested by miles the reports of the icy icy sea or summaries of the reports reported to parliament and sometimes in addition to the intelligence reports for me i see my office also receive regular intelligence reports regarding the demonstrators and radical groups from the fbi and on some occasions from the cia a member of my staff room review material to determine if it should be foreign minister of all of that is for bringing to the president's attention listen to another member of the report ms chapman from time to time i'm going to skip the statement today in an
effort to make sure that i can move as quickly as possible and get the slave and completed within the time the committee has requested so i will leave in the world revival of the german jewish for example land dominantly send information regarding indian uprisings mr kissinger general haig information regarding travels of anti war groups to a night also prior to and during a demonstration my office with repairs sommer reports for the president of the anticipated size of a demonstration any information about the leaders of the demonstration and during a demonstration a description of the activities of the demonstrators in the government and meaner and dissipated hammond of the demonstration andres the country the policy that existed before i came to the white house i saw the white house outed these tactical decision regarding the demonstrations i felt these are decisions for the department of justice and the police i felt my job was generally keep the white house informed
as to what might happen or was happening i own desires in this matter were sometimes superseded <unk> hall he did not like the way a particular demonstration of the man sometimes they so instructed me to inform the justice department to keep wilson the metropolitan police sometimes mr othman so so inform the justice department or pete wilson as soon as a potential demonstration was in the when i began receiving calls from mr larry higby mr holland principles that the system requesting intelligence reports i also received reagan complaints regarding the quality of the available information despite the fact that i felt the white house have the best information available to the government it came directly and personally aware of the president's own interest in my reports regarding demonstrations when he called major demonstration of the vietnam veterans against the war which turn them all in one of the capital
this was the occasion and made nineteen seventy one and i believe that when the government first sought to enjoin the demonstrations and later back down the president called me for a firsthand report during the demonstration and expressed his concern i keep him abreast of what was occurring accordingly we prepared hourly status reports and sent them to the president i was made aware of that president strong feelings about you and this model of demonstrations during the late winter of nineteen seventy one when the president happened to look out the window of the residents of the white house and saw a lone man with a large tent with signs that the front of lafayette park mr higby call me to his office to tell me that the presence of the president's displeasure with a sign in the park until may that mr holman they've said that assad had come down when i came out of the three biggies office iran and white shape he said he was going to get some
thought the roots of the man from lafayette park the senate taking a few hours to get them that they could do the job i tell them i didn't believe that was necessary given that i come i didn't believe that was necessary i've been called the secret service met with mr lewis sam's mr sam said that he felt that the park police could work it out i went out with mr sam survey the situation and that ascends talk with our colleagues within thirty minutes the man had been convinced he should move to the back of lafayette park their assignment other side of the white house reported back mr baldwin a proposal at sea he was delighted when
i told mr chabon the colored troops are i also recall for some ivory traveling with the president was on a trip in nineteen seventy one of the football hall of fame an honor i would open a damn after arriving at the akron canton airport i noticed there was virtually no hostile demonstrator insider the president later when the president arrived at the motel he's spending the night in akron i was a few paces behind him as he walked in lobbying across the street were chanting viet cong flag waving demonstrators president after seeing the demonstrators told the secret service agent beside him and some rather blunt sentiments to get the demonstrators out of where the work was bad for the demonstrators not be moved much to the distress of the advance man who were responsible for the president's trip was after observing that incident that i talk with several individuals and charter advancing presidential lives and i land a major part of any presidential trip advance operation was ensuring the demonstrators were on scene and i it hurt by the
president in early february of nineteen seventy two i learned any means legal or illegal or authorized by mr pollan to deal with demonstrators when the president of governor perry's someplace where mike abbott when i learned of the illegal means they were being employed adviser such tactics not be employed in the future and the demonstrations occurred they occurred earlier there was a continuing dissatisfaction with the available intelligence reports most frequent critic was mr hall of the presidents health discusses the energy market this year as a part of the plan to counter offensive revealing the senate watergate investigation the president wanted to show that his opponents had employed demonstrators against him during his reelection campaign how a huge demonstration of the incident that occurred during the campaign my house had sought to determine if it
had in fact been instigated by political opponents of the president senator mcgovern the democratic party are lower we never found a scintilla of viable evidence indicating that these demonstrators are part of a master plan though they were funded by democratic political fans know they had any direct connection to the mcgovern campaign this was explaining mr holman but the president believe that the opposite was in fact true and i have submitted to the committee think of a number one or a text of the president's memorandum to me on this and on february sixteenth nineteen seventy three almost a month prior to this direct request from the president i had at mr holland's request received all the incredible intelligence on the demonstrations the president have been subjected to germans nineteen seventy two campaign this intelligence did not evident what the president looking for when i turn it over to mr wimberly telling him that the president wanted a speech as part of a counter offensive to the working for
several weeks later it's really reported bp to agree that the information wasn't there are such a speech while other things which occurred that evidence the concern about demonstrators i believe that the four roaring here was this committee a good sampling of the degree of concern the committee has asked me about concern over leads i believe that most anyone who work at the white house during the past four years and a test of the concern the purveyor running leaks any mali is this was a matter of frequent discussion among staff members and in some instances leaks were investigated by mr collins office or mr workman i've submitted to the committee exhibit number two some documents evidence in the types of investigations that were made i began to understand the high degree of concern after i got to know mr got a copy of the sun a mindset i would guess that i've been at the white house almost a year before mr popeil told
me that he had been directed by mr icahn to wiretap an opponent recently the chicago told me that the wire that was on her only a short period of time because he believed that the fbi had suddenly taken over he told me that he'd been directed to perform the way that when mr hoover was unwilling mr erlichman wish to proceed the wiretap was undertaken as i recall in late nineteen sixty nine early nineteen seventy appeal told me would perform and the three letter words <unk> john reagan himself he later repeated the story to make it a given rather a rather harrowing experience when he's holding a letter in a back alley of georgetown while also trying to keep a lookout is another member of the group was working on the top of the ladder and he also told me that he received what he referred to as the pair numbers for mr john davies who was then on the white house staff and you had previously been employed
or associated with the taliban coming before joining the white house that i do not know what information if any they obtain nor do i know any other details of them when i read a book i have no idea of the reason for the wiretap was related to national security but i believe that mr garfield told me that it was indeed mr joseph quest telephone but was tapped well there is was always very present concern about leaks that concern took a quantum jumps when the new york times began publishing the pentagon papers in june of nineteen seventy one after the initial legal skirmishes to enjoin publication of the papers that down the white house concern about the problem of leaks that heighten to the best of my recollection and i've been unable to confirm this through white house records was in late june or early july jack cocktail
came to me to tell me mr colson haldeman ehrlichman his direction and instructed him to revise the brookings institution an effort to determine if they have certainly documents what prompted with a copy of the company was that he thought the matter was most unwise and his instructions from mr colson were insane in for me the most us what he's the brookings institute and the few laughs with that made a fairly compact security men in the building the security system of the building was extremely tight and be very difficult to break him appeal told me it's all one one calls some of the calls and instructed him to pursue the matter and if necessary you should plan the fire bombing a building and ricky retrieve the documents during the commotion that would ensue our po was based on a publication he had obtained indicating that the brookings was planning for the fall of
nineteen seventy one a study of vietnam based on documents of a kind of nature and the fact that a consultant who had only been with the national security council were there are you convinced me that colson was intent on proceeding i wonder another so i advise you that he should have nothing further now i would immediately fly to california and telecom at this entire thing was resigned after the california military aircraft career right it was going to sanctimony or separate mr robert martina mcbride who told me he was also going to see the president about a highly important matter they cannot discuss with me a matter which i will refer to it or when i arrive in california are anxious european and pro tem of the burglary of the brookings institute was insane and to persuade him probably impossible he said okay annie colbert report
mcconnell and i called mr caulfield the talent was called off it was not until almost hear more later that i learned the reason for mr martinez had to see the president mr martin later told me the social conversation that he'd gone to see the president to get instructions regarding the disposition of wire copy harms related to newsman white house staffers who were suspected of making me as long as had been a possession mr william sullivan an assistant director of the fbi and work permits for more instructions from the president given guarantees by i had occasion to raise this question about her in the fall of nineteen seventy two i did not tell him that i had been toe by martin that he had been about that they were a
student of your record after i told mr mcmahon arrest a question about the logs he flatly denied mean we have a lot of that time was about february twenty second twenty third of this year and time magazine notified the white house plan to print a story that the white house had undertaken wiretaps of newsmen white house staffers the tenor request has been respond request been asked to work for about another matter white house press office notified me this inquiry i called mr mark felt the fbi to ask you first what the facts were and secondly how such historically <unk> felt told me it was true that mr sullivan you all the facts but he had no idea how they haven't called mr sullivan reports that he dropped by my office which he did he explained that much haggling wiretaps warns though that as i recall a facade and said that did not have the blessings of the director sullivan explained to me
all but one said the logs had been destroyed and all the internal fbi records or relating to the wiretaps except ones that had been destroyed and all material and levered mr martin you told me he also denied any knowledge of the murder i did not press them further as to what he did know i then call mr letterman told him about the forthcoming story in time magazine i tell my conversation conversations with felt solomon natural i also told him i knew he had a lot of because mr martin told me this time even though they were initially i asked him how much of the region he said mr jeter should let me and i carry i think i'm michael mckeever and so and i've been turning out in the so called palmer unit
that was created to deal with leaks i first heard of the plumber unit in late july of nineteen seventy one i do not recall ever been actually vitamin than thirteen we've been great in the white house but i stumble into an annoyingly minister yukio happen to mention it to me i was not involved shortly after mr koeppel religion and he told me that they were operating out of a super secure location in the basement example he invited me down the city in which i did and he showed me the sensor system and it's ramadan swam her phone i never discussed mr crow or risky on what they were doing or how they were doing it was through jack cocktail that i learned that mr gordon liddy was working with mr crow i had not only personally although i may have met him all i knew about yesterday was mr coffee what mr caulfield told me and was effective
ms gina cds of the treasury department and mr libby had had a falling out and overweighted in the middle of this of the dispute by hiring it and bringing him into the white house not realize that mr howard hunt work most taiwanese at the white house in the plumber unit until after june seventeenth nineteen seventy two i've seen on many occasions and paulson's office and finally as nicholson who he was he told me he was doing some consulting work for an interview with me i was the only time i've ever talked with mr hahn i'm not aware of what success the plumber didn't happen it's dealing with leaks i recall on one occasion after jack anderson and documents from the national security council meeting asking but prolific figure out who leaked information mr anderson the telomeres of the individual nineteen seventy one publication of the pentagon papers cause consternation at the
white house of the only problem on june twenty nine nineteen seventy one the president not the subject of leaks up a cabinet meeting is part of a white house orchestrated effort to curtail all else part of that effort <unk> mr fred melamed who at the borders drawn in myself to develop a plot strategy for dealing with leaks malek and i never wrote about it very seriously but strong and it continued to push i have submitted to the committee exhibit number three memorandum about buying a product if it develops in which mr malik was the take charge <unk> to be brought in as the lord high executioner really has uncovered the committee will know from the documents which i've submitted but the project was to compliment not complete with a plumber in the best of my knowledge it's product never uncover the source of a single lid i shall turn now or soon to the committee's request from leagues to the
matter of political intelligence with the hope that my voice will hold up through this entire statement the pre election white house dr john political process political intelligence i knew the type of information they saw even before i joined the white house staff during the summer of nineteen sixty nine while i was working at the justice department that then deputy attorney general richard kleindienst called me into his office and told me that the white house when some very important information mr klein has instructed me to call mr kilo then deputy director of the fbi and to obtain from him information regarding a foreigner travels of mary joke about it i was told the most of the load would be expecting a call from me and ones that have information and handlers to give it jack talking about the white house incidence not in my mind because of the rather sensitive nature of the information being obtained from the fbi
and the fact that i was made a career of the information to this day i can only speculate that i was asked to convey the information so that others have denied that they had done so should the matter become known it was not until i joined the white house staff and talking with plays to my staff that i learned talking with a sign of the political intelligence on senator edward kennedy the chicago told me that within some six hours of the accident to chappaquiddick on july eighteen nineteen sixty nine he had a friend named tony on the scene remain on the scene conducting a private investigation a matter report important information back to him it was not until the spring that i knew or remember tony's full name anthony us what's popular vote maybe <unk> us to expose a newspaper reporter and i always ask the most embarrassing questions that any press gathering chappaquiddick incident off we'll also informing and his instructions were to continue surveillance on senator kennedy and he was doing so in a selective
basis i was told by popular and although he had been assigned i don't recall once becoming involved in this recall field activities related to senator kennedy that occurred in the fall of nineteen seventy one when i received a call from larry higby later or and i should say later the scozzafava by mr strong but only on one of twenty four hour surveillance senator kennedy and regular reports on his activities i pass this on to popular we discuss he told me that he thought this was the most un was most unwise because it would require several men and could also uncovers activities and it's in that senator kennedy was down to realize he was under surveillance and given the fact that it could be easily misinterpreted as someone who was planning an attack on his life and the police or the fbi might be called in to investigate
that was a bad idea to have the day in day out surveillance and seven and was caught instead popular to keep the general of us energy and activity and pursue special investigations of activities that might be of interest cardinals element for me of his findings but occasionally he would bring matters to my intention for example cocktail was instructed to investigate senator kennedy's visit to honolulu on august nineteen seventy one i've submitted to the committee exhibit number for a copy of this report which he passed on the meeting to see along with several follow up memorandum relating to this political intelligence often came from unexpected sources for example during his last spring of nineteen seventy two a top secret service probably information regarding sen mcgovern i asked mr golson you're interested he was very interested in how the information public person on the white house to present on the white house staff who were most
interested in political intelligence work from all of them in polls as the reelection campaign drew closer i have to say that with mickelson and sometimes coleman who sought information from miles and political implications to it well i've been unable to make a complete review of my office while to document the many types of inquiries i do have some documents that evidence for sampling of the types of requests that were originally made of me and how they were handled by my office documents are extremely sensitive and could be injurious to innocent people accordingly i assume it is the committee may have regarding innovation with a rather wide ranging types of inquiries evidence by the autumn insiders refer to an addition to the extensive efforts to claim publicly embarrassing information on senator kennedy there were also frequent effort to obtain politically embarrassing
information on mr alonso ryan democratic national committee chairman senator muskie and senator mcgovern ali involvement my office and seeking that information was peripheral i've submitted to the committee because number six seven eight records and documents which show the efforts of the white house politically embarrassing individuals again because the very sensitive nature of the information contained in these documents in the columns of information might unfairly caused those individuals other the committee my record muskie and mcgovern develop as the reelection campaign develop i would now like to turn to it on intelligence and security plan that was designed for the campaign but
ultimately rejected it's both well coco with a member of my staff the use of mystery alaska would slowly diminished and i had no need for such investigative work and only requests to obtain investigative information someone else's that requested on assignment mr tapia was aware of the situation in the spring of nineteen seventy one he came to me and told me he was thinking of leaving the white house staff to establish an investigative security consulting corporation he felt the reason they need in a market such an activity were and what he describes as a republican energy help you know tell firms being a long established firms than existed for a number of years working field
he told me that he felt that he should get started soon as possible so that he would have a going concern my campaign plan to revive investigative security assistance through campaign week as we discuss this on several occasions they seek an initial concept he had developed was an operation that could be funded by contract corporations wichita builds firm provides services for these corporations but would also provide free services to the nineteen seventy two reelection campaign i recall telling tall tale but i could not help him in the intelligence field did not have any expertise in the area but i advised him that he should work with a lawyer in developing the concept you just outlined to me the corporation from making direct or indirect campaign contributions shortly after these conversations called to inform me that he had formed a group to develop a plan to secure that you're going home and mr mitchell
planning group in canada become enforcers the corporation wants it ferments activity popiel in the group spent several months developing their lands and in early august or september of nineteen seventy one you brought me a memorandum an operation sandwich and told me that he's seeking a meeting with mr ehrlich to discuss the matter less and i assist them in getting a meeting with mr mitchell i do not know if mr caulfield minister and if he did i was not present have no knowledge of meeting i read the memorandum about to be a privately operated extension all right to the best of my recollection direct recollection operation sandwich invasion the creation of a corporation called security consulting group incorporated which was that losses in washington chicago and the war was over and take over capacity that overcapacity would have operated out of
your presumably and the ages of these us what was the separate and apart from the other operations in washington chicago the principal activity the security compelling consulting group was to provide private security for all phases of the campaign but the york covert operation without the capacity to provide that man gerrymandering engage in electronic surveillance of its call upon themself oh every time a copy of the operation sandwich memorandum giving them a memorable tale i define in my records a copy of those budget which reflects some of the items i just mention i also found a number of memorandum relating to the security and the government's ability to remember i did discuss operation sand wedge
<unk> mitchell i recall that he was not interested at all he told me that he thought the jackpot it was a fine person but he felt that the principal problems relate to security in the problems the demonstrators might cause the campaign <unk> mitchell said he wanted the lawyer to handle any such operation and asked me to think about candidates i killed on the job talking to request an opportunity to discuss his plan with him i told them that jack i told him that i thought that i would convey the message mitchell did not we discuss the proposals sort of putting a lot of money raised it with me because i like that i did not want to release feelings i continued to keep putting in law i also recall a great operation sandwich with me i do not know rodman told me that you like it tell me last of what's around during the campaign that he did not think much of mr caulfield proposed grand plan
when told me that mitchell knew about it only allows some words and that michel and i caught the ocean talk about tony future meanwhile argue that request no man's land he had his heart set on the proposal he spent long hours preparing it and i know we're going to be very disappointed to learn that can shut down every few weeks because it would send me an item or two without my attention to the committee any given number nine the types of items he would say and i would follow you do nothing as i decided that the best course of action is a gut feelings with another matter that natural that through no action indeed that happen by november nineteen seventy one chicago realize that his plan was there that he abandoned the idea realizing as he told me he would like to work for mr mitchell during a campaign i say to him
mr mitchell on november twenty four nineteen seventy one percent of those three popular quest i was not present during the entire meeting but jack later said that mr mitchell had requested the do some investigative work on the murkowski campaign lately with his version of operations might be a right or he was seeking to show what you can do at any rate copy of continued to call it intelligence gathering operation operation sandwich i've submitted to the committee for the number ten means of the investigative report that popular character mr mitchell on the mccluskey new hampshire campaign and it isn't that the best of my knowledge of the employed no illegal procedures and gathering this information listen to the request of the metal determine whether
continued funding should be provided from a few last words were to ask me what you must have been doing at home and not know what i would have called a summary of the activities on january twelve nineteen seventy two i am for mitchell mccarthy committee number eleven and also know that this point that there is no list accompaniment exhibit because well i initially thought i did have a list i have searched for my records that are available and i've had no such list of a possible there might be a list in my files remain at the white house i do not recall how this matter was resolved but i believe some of your some arrangement was made from cigna's us wince at my knowledge he was not used in a manner other than that which osha refer later my favorite coffee you would know about the rains that the main question now turn to my knowledge of how intelligence unit was
established the reelection committee to the best of my recollection it was the spring of nineteen seventy one must recall and disgust with me what my options do during the forthcoming campaign year he told me that we should take maximum advantage of the president's incumbency and the focus of everyone in the white house should be on reality it was the side of the prints were a concern for my office should be keeping the white house in compliance with election laws and improving our intelligence regarding demonstrations it also told i should provide lethal assistance in establishing a reelection committee ensuring that their own capacity to deal with a potential threat of demonstrations during the campaign in particular the convention developing a security plan
again the inter agency violation committee working on the potential for demonstrations during the campaign suddenly called mr brian wells the head of the icu to my office and told them of the concern of the white house for a good intelligence during the coming campaign during the months that followed i devoted most of my time director office functions keeping abreast of the new campaign legislation from arriving myself an existing election laws the hatch act related laws was not until after the proposed operation sandwich had been shelved and mcgruder had left the white house to form the reelection committee and i began receiving calls from strong and mcgruder i was expected to be a lawyer to have a demonstration on several occasions the group told me that he would like to have mr fred peel in my principal assistant for this job you and i discussed it rejected it for several reasons first feeling was aware of the fact that i
was considering leaving the white house at that time i was actually interviewing for jobs outside the government and he knew that i would recommend that he succeed me as counsel secondly if i stayed i would eat his assistance during the coming months i might add parenthetically as i know that if i had accepted this job i was interviewing for that time i would not be sitting here today after a form of murder in this revealing was not available he requests and i suggest someone else because he was desperately need of an in house lawyer accordingly imax when mr crow and ask him to give david young might be available not just the road told me that young was very much involved in the classic asian project and could not be spared the reason young had occurred to me is that i spent several days traveling with him in mid october interviewing prospective candidate for nomination to the supreme
court i might be around the country together but i felt it was too young to write an extremely capable lawyer he would make an excellent general counsel and that handles security administration problems the campaign during my conversation with mr young he suggested mr gordon liddy might be available and that he just about complete his work go ok are very highly of libby's legal ability and said that his fbi treasury department background in law enforcement would qualify him to handle a demonstration intelligence and security operation for the reelection committee i did not know mr levy but i respected folks judgment though those two judgments of other lawyers and his knowledge of longhorns but had dealt with a demonstration problem for the white house before it snaps i asked mr bobe find out if he was interested in several days later voting for me that he was interested and asked me to become his office rove's
office and the committee and it's not the job i did this comity that the primary responsibility for the job with the service the lawyer for the reelection committee but among the responsibilities will be keeping abreast of potential of demonstrations that might affect the campaign that he said he was interested ailes said that he would first have to fear that i advise them that mr macdonough for the making the decisions on when the pows and it got the okay from oregon i would set up a meeting for me to be interviewed by mr mitchell mr pogue a videotape i called mr mitchell i told him a fellow americans approval had suggested gordon liddy for the general counsel and i arranged for letting me michel on november twenty four nineteen seventy one after mr caputo met with mr mitchell i attended a meeting with micheletti from any given moment a copy of an agenda mr liddy
prepared for the interview session while i cannot recall every detail that was discussed i do recall it was a very general job interview leger realized that he was not for me when the election laws and asked if i would assist him in any way i couldn't get himself from are those longs i agree there was no discussion of intelligence plan other than that he would drop some sort of planned most of the conversation centered around five on compensation mr mitchell agreed that he would be general counsel i do not tolerate risk compensation i also recall that he asked mr mitchell when he would actually join the campaign committee said he did not know after this meeting call me if you want an interview with the demand i still alive bleeding and on december eighth nineteen seventy one the real question i bring it over to his office for an
interview you know he remembers meeting the point of the stack of papers the bison contain the problems that he was concerned about there's a brief discussion of these responsibilities for demonstrations the severe campaign committee said that actually get acclimated to the committee's columns and me you drop a plan what i believe was the following monday afterward he was hired at the reelection committee and i'm for my friends we must read feeling mr david wilson but they should assist latina coming from a with the election laws i made my election law while available to living and believe that he used them and yet terry i contact with my staff and myself an election law matters i can recall i had several discussions with libby about his responsibilities with the committee the reelection committee
and comply with election laws he told me he had more work than there were hours in the day to complete at eir hq to give volunteer lawyers to assist him as a gifted several names of lawyers who might assist him several weeks after that he left the white house and in his white house that's where they came to me and asked me to intervene in his behalf so mike so you might retain his past and avoid the cumbersome procedures appearance every time it was you know the white house i thought that while spent a good deal of contact with it so iraq requests to be permitted to keep his pass this request was turned down however because they decided to provide a fixed number of passage for people at the reelection committee and mcgruder would decide who got the passengers i so informed that he had never heard more about the matter the next time i recall leading mr levy i'm i'm sorry for this but i did have a brief occasion two to see him in early january i believe the bottom line through
the fourteenth or fifteenth when he attended a general conference in san diego on the entire scope of the convention and the security problems are going to confront the conventions and iraq and that next time i recall a meeting that he was at a media mitchell's office on january twenty seven nineteen seventy two sen lieberman yeah i met mcgregor and many of mitchell's but he had a series of charts diagrams which he plays the measles and the presentation but it began i didn't fully understand everything that he was recommending the time because some of the concepts or mindboggling in the charts were in code means to reconstruct the pipelines that i remember as best
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1973 Watergate Hearings
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1973-06-25
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Part 1 of 6
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Robert MacNeil and Jim Lehrer anchor gavel-to-gavel coverage of day 12 of the U.S. Senate Watergate hearings. In today's hearing, John Dean testifies.
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1973-06-25
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Chicago: “1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-06-25; Part 1 of 6,” 1973-06-25, Library of Congress, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (WGBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed June 27, 2019, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip_512-125q815b4c.
MLA: “1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-06-25; Part 1 of 6.” 1973-06-25. Library of Congress, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (WGBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. June 27, 2019. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip_512-125q815b4c>.
APA: 1973 Watergate Hearings; 1973-06-25; Part 1 of 6. Boston, MA: Library of Congress, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (WGBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip_512-125q815b4c