Carl Sandburg and Frank Lloyd Wrigh; Carl Sandburg and Frank Lloyd Wright

It would take one of God's finest mountains and improve them with human faces and I never agreed with the faces of her own all but putzes jams and you know what the men of the best looked like you know they were about a mile high current humans see their whiskers in St.. Mr Right if you had not aware of this you know if you had to did to devise a memorial if you can see such a thing for Lincoln what kind of thing would it be. I don't agree with Carl on the link and when I saw the Lincoln Memorial Lincoln duel on Lincoln him self I don't agree with can I think he was a great individual and a tremendous fanatic and I think that he destroyed the culture that we should have preserved and might have been preserved. But for the fact that he didn't know and the other way than the way he took. And Jefferson Jefferson I think he would've been all right I think he would have worked it out because we should have been a great agronomy we never should have followed the

pattern of England and become a great industrialist nation. What do you think of the Jefferson Memorial. I think that argument can be made with the Lincoln Memorial with the Jefferson. Now isn't that poetic poetic America and lapse of Justice to build public comfort station to Thomas Jefferson in a classical vote. It can be done in a classical mode and have them have that immense habilis of George Washington of Virginia. You know we're not in the list there's the Washington Monument for instance. Have you ever looked at the height of it you know the stone and the great shaft of solids. Now when they got to the top instead of doing what the Egyptians did giving it a

low point like this is there to improve upon it and make it deep like the point on a lead pencil and destroyed the power of the still there is conspicuous evidence of our inability to see the nature of the news from within. The Washington Monument is positive. Act of an ignoramus unaware of the pointed wrong and loser getting off the truck.

Let's get back let's get back to what does the Washington let's get back to you. I've never noticed this I can see the point in my humble fashion as you've said you see the nobility and character of the material they actually go across the grain of the expression of their prose. They're miners they're good to their stone. You wouldn't put the same shape and would you would stone the time it was erect you would flourish that you wouldn't and according to the nature of materials comes the song the time they built it went higher than man created this country or anything. I may get a nice American brig and air this use of steel that's in this use of steel you know when they got the steel

for these great steel had to build lumber wasn't lumber So what did they do was made lumber. They rolled it into B and began to time together the way they would begin. They're still doing it. Why. So what could you do with steel lives to do this. Butters spinning steel is strongest and most economic in this grand shred it and put it into these and use it to pull others in and then you're using steel you are going to use it with wooden beams. You're wasting this do you. You mean are there we're no doubt the men with the steel are willing to wait. We going to have a Frank Lloyd Wright building that looks like it's going to have already a building built that looks like a

commune. And I don't know that you consider them so you stoop framers. They're creating for them make the steel paper wall paper around the room where they consider the modern 19th century so 19th century. I'm just wondering if you have to live in Chicago more than Mr. Wright. That's because I never expected to see one Chicago intimidate another. I thought you were going to get a stocking at some point especially Is it because you're so good to me. All true Chicago girl got them accommodated to the Reich. How about the passion is there nothing that you want to take off on Mr. Right because he's a very you know he's a strong man can take an awful lot

about Lincoln as I dressed me in a jacket like an artist. That's the rumors we know that for the dog and we rode around the country and we have time to go. Carl wrote the first two chapters of Lincoln at the good time and I enjoyed myself in front of the fireplace talking about you know I went to Frank you said you compare and we had a fun time together when we'd go out in the country. When you put the damn clothes and put me before the fire and talk about art. They said you made me sick. But I think it's mellow he doesn't have that emotion at all tonight.

Maybe the right time is we had a lot of two or three precious water that didn't let us know that was one of the great Chicago of love and he was a great Chicago on the grid and of the Duke Lloyd Lewis who wrote a great biography Sherman Whiting's profit Mr. Sam but if you were young today would you be as excited by Chicago as it is today as you were when you first saw it. But that's a psychological question. Sentimentalist Well I want to be him or him but it's got a young heart. There aren't many. That's right I was naive about moving around some parts of Chicago as I was many years back I would never tire. I will never tire of the leak. I never tire of Michigan Avenue and looking to the lake. That was the outlook I walked with Englishman French

from your Paulo during the First World War who commented on Michigan Avenue as one of the most beautiful streets in the world. They've been in all the world cities and this was among the best streets said the most beautiful street in the world. Oh and he wrote for mayor occurred without identifying your Mr. Right because you have your gun ready again. I had hoped that we would. Ladies and gentlemen achieving a dying close there a quiet friendly agreement that. She goggle at least Michigan Avenue was one of the most beautiful to us as well. But Mr. Wright had blended his eye again and I'm afraid he's going to go on. And you're not going to be privileged to see it. You realize that too many hopelessly intimidated by the indestructible Frank Lloyd Wright did I say that he was going to menace or hate me.

Well he will do that when we go. Oh yeah. Ladies and gentlemen you've been hearing a lot of this call a conversation between cause and effect like right and it better get out of here Carol before somebody gets up and tells them who you just heard Frank Lloyd Wright and Carl Sandburg in a special recorded conversation. The moderator was Alastair Cook. This program was made available through the cooperation of television station WTT w Chicago Illinois distribution of the program was made by the National Association of educational broadcasters. This is the Radio Network.