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George as we drive down the main street of Livingston it looks to be in the distance is all the forest fire of what is down there. This is what we can see the Victoria Falls missed this many miles away. How many miles would we be away from. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in cooperation with UNICEF the United Nations Children's Fund presents. How do you say hello. A series of radio programs by Charles winter about children of the developing countries. How do you say hello today from Zambia. The small fund. Would you tell the girls and boys your name and where you live please. My name is
George. Is that right. Yes. Livingston town is in what country is a country of a large population or small people. Do you have any particular hobbies that you enjoy. What sort of films do you see at the cinema. Very popular do you like it. What sort of dancing Do they have regular
dances for the girls. Oh wait you said one was named after Victoria. What is the language. How many have you ever carry on conversations with 73 languages. What's the official language of Zambia. What is your original language George.
That's right. Right now brace yourself George. Hello. All right George. Goodbye hello and goodbye. All right now. Thank you. Is there an end of the first of that word. Say it again. Say thank you again. Thank you. Do I pass but if I get my certificate in time going out. George and I have stopped very briefly in Livingston itself on our way to the Falls to talk with a man who knows as much as most people could possibly know about them. Here's Joseph
Bogle of the Livingston Museum here in Livingston. He's keeper of pre-history and we're standing right now in front of the Trans Africa journey exhibit in the Livingston room of the museum. Mr. Hooper would you tell the girls and boys something about this journey on which Livingstone discovered the Victoria Falls. Well this journey was the first of his great journeys in which he crossed Africa from east to west and then from west to east again. On the return trip to the east coast. He had heard of the smoke sounding what it is and he decided to go and visit it and took this eight day trip mostly on foot some canoe around the rapids down to Kali Island which was then inhabited by a large village under Chief Security. We're just outside Livingston now standing by what looks like a cairn with a plaque on it what is this all about George.
Misty all adrift. The old drift What does that mean. This is de facto deface European settlement which I discovered about 1890 eight people have been living here for almost 70 odd years. Yes it is a day old Livingston I hear. Yes they say to their village of the local chiefs a good day and I was a good idea. Dinner Denise and they Stevie Woods their follies all that name David Livingston. Yeah now there was a chief here with a village who was a friend of Livingston not doctor if they were guided to come in for it. So where we're standing right now it's possible David Livingston once stood. I should think so yes. Well I feel honored. The existence of a fourth have been known for at least 10 years prior to the actual discovery knowledge of the Falls was fairly widespread. What wasn't known was really how
magnificent a feature it was by any white man. And to this extent Livingston went to them even though they were known before and familiarize the world with it. What would you like the girls and boys listening to know about your country. I'd like to know about boy. Kind of like. You Going To Bed Early hear the drums in the background. We have taken a short stop now at a place which I'm sure Dr. Livingston himself would have enjoyed a visit. It's an open air museum featuring African artifacts artists and music and its director is Mr. Shapiro who's with me now.
Mr. morning that would you tell us a little bit about the village how it came to be and what it's for really showing this place at a different craft is indigenous to the spot of Africa and we have this from all of them to come into play. Mr. Mwanga Do I understand that you bring the people from their own native regions to live here at the museum. Yes. And here then they perform the tasks and make the pottery and carve the masks they would do at home. That's right. Now we hear drums in the background I can see the drummers are crossed the way what about the musicians what do they come from. We do quote them every time we have one to put up a dance. But we also have a number of well I mean we see some of the instruments and hear them. Yes. Good. Let's go. P.A. Cody came the leak and they say it is played
with a bit too big. Now it's really almost like it's a bit of a cigar box in the yak with its mines on top and there's a series of long metal almost like spinning handles aren't they are different lengths and he holds it in the plans of both his hands and plays with his thumb. And what is the other chap doing this Adams has come out a better man doubling those two do you think. Also he provided to the rhythm and he had an intervention to not make anything as well and the name of the three so many end game today. Mr Michael just a moment as we left that hut I thanked the man and they clapped.
What does that mean that the practice of people when someone gives something to them goodbye. Oh that's something that is good. They clap for him. I should then rather than have to thank them I should have clapped him with a thing goodbye thank you very much. Very nice thank you very much. And I just said it again when I actually should have clapped for what you've just done for me shouldn't I. Well I think it's wrong for you to go. And I have seen symphony orchestras in my time with percussion sections Mr want to get at this one beats them on. These are what six eight very long as they want to be. Now I think you know the logs are made out of three having
and they're quite had something on top of that stuff like composition which have been pounded in the ground. And so you know if you put a lot of becomes law and you're going to do that with one drum to get the difference in the note. Yes. Now this is an untreated drum here is that right. This one is and he did it.
And. But if you take some of one and put it under the other and matches the tones between the two drums. Yes. You want this money they love to teach. You. Indeed it was a mystery why it is seems like a very good time to thank you very much for letting the girls and
boys in Canada North American around the world you're what's going on at your open air museum here in Zambia. I hope you enjoy being here. Thank you again. I will clap my hands as I go. Thank you very much. Looks like a river what with the River Drive. We're driving toward the. River a very long one or a very important one and it all falls over.
Mr. Robey How did he actually get on the river and where did he first see the fall. We're going on the river from Kali Island took an eight day trip by foot spent the night before Kali Island which is an island about eight miles up river the next day. The chief lent him three canoes he went down with or with a group of paddle as they paddled down to the Livingston Island it was fairly late and here it was in November that he found them. When the river's fairly fairly low anyway. George I can't see much yet but what is that sound or that sound. Bad turned there. So you mean that we have finally arrived at this world famous natural wonder. Yes can we go closer. Oh yes. After that you can see that. Where is this island now. Roughly half way across
the length of the falls about. Three quarters of a mile or so from the Zambian. How long is the actual cataract. It's over a mile. It's twice as high and twice as wide as. That's a lot of water. Or from the other side of the cataract. Yes you can see.
From the top. First up looking down in. And this is why he has this rather dramatic description of it. He. Went there spent the better part of a day returned again went back and planted banana trees.
And for this reason when he returned he discovered that the banana trees trampled and eaten by the hippos in the river. Now what about the island today. Kennedy visited what is there to be visited when again when the river one can walk along the brink of looking down into the precipice which is rather an exciting thing to do. You mean walk across the very top of the cataract
before the rains really start customers. Recently. He and his brother both carved their initials on a tree and it's marked by a big circle of white washed and picked out with some difficulty now after 100 years. Are we at the right time of year to walk across the brink. No getting up now.
This is the thing in question will be how do we know so much about Livingston and this trip. Well he left a very comprehensive Journal which is called the Trans African Journal and in this journal he put down his initial impressions of the Victoria Falls in the Victoria Falls region at the time that he was here. George and I are now standing in the middle of a very famous Victoria Falls Bridge and I'm looking at a site that almost is beyond description. The falls are directly in front of us and they're framed by two huge mountainous masses of green some of which look to be palm trees heavy tropical foliage. The water almost looks to be in slow motion there's so much of it tumbling over with such rapidity.
Directly below us. The river swirls and enormous muddy mass white foam being thrown against the rocks bouncing back and pooling virtually on our feet. And speaking of our feet as I look down I see incredibly enough I've never stood on one before I'm standing right on top of a rainbow because down in the gorge the mist from the falls in the river rises and the sun overhead hitting it makes a true rainbow as a matter of fact is a double one a very very faint one further into the gorge itself. George who decided to put a bridge at this particular point across the river famous names. Why would he have picked this particular spot. We wanted that people to feel the. Effects on early edition of the journals here in the exhibit case before us. Is there
material here that actually describes living to first impressions. Yes there are journals being in archives. Perhaps George would care to read a short passage of Livingston's recollections. These are his first impressions as he saw Victoria Falls. All right George but I'm not going to really rare passage. Dr David the setting sun and then there's a river after 15 minutes with you would for the first time in their very own as it is appropriate to the code smoke rising and victory is when you try to serve a brass band of small and very light guns further down in the care of veterans well acquainted with their rep it's unfair you're down to an
island situated on a precipice all the way to their what they're owed at one time within your right to day. Like you though I thought that it would seem. I think nothing living I would do or say difficult as well as my guides. My companion by throwing stones should disappear before reaching. Bearing down over the edge. We could. Never reach. Then you half way up into the air again with it when you know
it. But I was off. George for all the time you've given us and all the things you've told us. There are just two things I would like to say to you and I hope I get them right and welcome. And goodbye to your tour. This is a program in a radio series by Charles winter entitled How do you say hello. Produced on location by Bill Shaw for the Canadian Broadcasting
Corporation and UNICEF the United Nations Children's Fund. We'd like to thank the government of Zambia for their hospitality and assistance. This program was distributed by the national educational radio network.
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How Do You Say Hello?
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How Do You Say Hello? is a series of radio programs hosted by Charles Winter and produced by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in cooperation with UNICEF. In each episode, Winter visits a different country in the developing world and talks with a young person about their local traditions, culture, history, language, and community. Throughout their conversation, they visit various local points of interest and describe these events and environments. Winter also interviews adults and other members of the community.
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Host: Winter, Charles
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