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We hope further to will involve the Japanese who were represented at Parchin in Terrace in Geneva and wholl have an institute of southeastern studies at Kyoto and who have indicated that they would like to join with us in saying if these nations can be brought together for these purposes. Oddly enough the Japanese one would think that they would not be highly regarded in Southeast Asia. I've apparently really won the confidence of these countries and it may be that through them this initiative can be carried through successfully. The other topics dealt with at the meeting a peer from the summary that I gave at the end of the Convocation in the areas of agreement mentioning now only the areas on which there appeared to be a consensus. Numerous topics on which there was disagreement. I saw all met to discuss later if you wish.
First statement over and over again which there was no dissent was of the United Nations must be strengthened and must be made more independent. Second statement over and over again never objected to by anybody not even the most right wing American Prez Prez. That membership in the United Nations must be made universal Senator Brooke a Republican in Massachusetts reiterated this over and over membership in the United Nations must be universal which means of course that it must include China. Third point on which there was overwhelming agreement. Perhaps the only dissent which you could say was honestly a dissent
from this. And even then one might question the meaning of honesty. The only dissent from this proposition was from the foreign minister of Thailand. And that is that the war in Vietnam is at best a mistake to many of the representatives present. The war in Vietnam was far worse than a mistake. Nobody was any was willing to write it any higher than as a mistake. The fourth point on which there was general agreement was that Southeast Asia must be neutralized. The point was that the Cold War must be ended all over and over again. The period that the Cold War had poisoned well after well. Six point emphasized by blacks and whites
and yellows alike was that racial discrimination was intolerable. A spectacular incident occurred in this connection. The Bishop of Kimberley and South African George Crile the ship of the English Church the Anglican church rose to speak and said that he had an hour before been told by the representative of his government in Geneva that if he spoke he would not be permitted to return to his diocese so his family. Went ahead and spoke. He delivered a most eloquent attack on apartheid and the South African government as sense made good its threat. The seventh point on which there was general agreement was that there was a developing countries must be aided and must be it if possible
multilateral only it was a general a version of the unilateral ladled of bilateral transactions expressed throughout the mean great deference was paid to the last and second a call of the present Pope or Gresley or Pope alarm which the pope says development is identical with pigs. The eight point of general agreement was that the terms of trade between the developed and the underdeveloped countries are intolerable. The ratio of industrial prices to those of primary products deserve the most immediate explicit and intense attention. Tonight point on which everybody agreed was no military solutions are adequate for the present. Tent was the no national solutions are adequate to the present day.
Which brings us of course back to the first point with the United Nations must be strengthened and must be made more independent. The final note of general agreement that ran through the whole convocation expressed by almost every one of the three hundred and fifty participants. A matter what in costume religion creed education background or ideology was that they all said one after another coexistence which is this was the subject of the conference. Coexistence is necessary but it is not a sufficient condition of human life. It is necessary to move to what Pope John call the universal common good can concern ourselves with that rather than merely protecting ourselves from the possibility of getting blown up.
These were as I have said the agreements of citizens of 70 countries speaking so far as possible in a private capacity. Now the question is of course what do they amount to what what to watch on the terrace in the wild like a raid except it would bore you a long list of the letters that came in afterward. They all emphasize one point and that was the spirit of the main spirit of the meeting could be characterized in only one word and that word is generosity that spirit they said. Live and be extended. Then perhaps it was might bring some hope to the world. Senator Clark Senator Joseph Clark of Pennsylvania.
At one point said Ladies and Gentleman do not the spare of the United States of America you had by the way advance several reasons for despairing of it before it made this point. They said Ladies and gentlemen do not despair of the United States of America and of course of course he had a point. One should not despair of the United States of America as long as it can produce man like Joe Clark. And so I would say that one should not despair of the world as long as it can produce three hundred and fifty people from everywhere who can exhibit the spirit that was exhibited at watching when terrorists too. There is no question that there is a tremendous reservoir of common sense and goodwill in the world. Question is how to make it effective in the face of the political structures and world characterized by anything but common sense and
goodwill. How do you reform these political structures so that they do not interfere with the flow from the reservoir of the common political life of mankind. I must say that the meeting confirmed the Russian view of the effectiveness of private meetings and private institutions. It was possible and off the record to get public officers to take positions contrary to those which they had taken publicly before and contrary to the official positions of their government indicating a latitude for discussion and negotiation that might be available. So much of my persuaded of the totality of private
institutions and only of private institutions in such a situation and I was much impressed by a suggestion made the other day by one of my colleagues. He proposed a reverse Logan Act the Logan Act as you know makes of the crime for a citizen of the United States to engage in negotiations with a foreign government. My colleague suggests that it should be made a crime for the State Department to engage in negotiations with the foreign. As to the immediate future and what happens to what was said and done and the one television special was already has already been produced on the national basis in the fourth of Joan Bromley X1 film record that was my commercial and educational television.
Films will be prepared first issue of the new cider magazine will be out in the middle of September will be largely devoted to this publication of the articles by summarizing the entire meeting and writing up from different points of view. Ultimately it will be published as a book. And so it may be that the words uttered the Geneva parchment terrorists might call call around the world. The reverberations might be felt at the last. Even in Washington D.C.. He. Was. Worried. Thank you sir we now open the session to questions from the floor.
Oh. The questionnaire is one of the main problems in the world today's population control was just discussed at your patch I'm in tears. I. Was with horses in the central part of the oh less this whole. Question of birth control handled. Then there is hope for that the productivity of the world and the media future at least with any technology we now have to cope with the population was tell you that. On the way to I stopped in New Delhi to see the American ambassador Chester ball. I found that he was very optimistic on this score as far as in you
is concerned. He believes that no seeds and fertilisers and spread of contraceptives through and you put them all together mean that the ratio of production of food to babies is going to be much better adjusted in an in a very short time and Indians and Indian government private says. By 1973 the. Balls will not accept that figure but it except one that is not much more remote that this problem can be handled and then can be handled anywhere. So I feel that though the population problem is central it is one that is. Weak. We know how to solve it. If we can bring resources to bear to do it and I think those resources can be brought to bear. Much more concerned about other questions because I don't see any possible answer to you.
Well. Oh. What.
I could give you a good many. Well just give you one. And that is why don't the secretary of state. Did you all hear the question. QUESTION Is the statement by an early speak at the institute. Was it in foreign aid what we're trying to do is protect our dollar. Would you comment
on this proposition. I can't comment because I don't understand it. If the idea is that we must reduce our foreign aid in order to protect the balance of payments in our gold reserve that is of course absurd. This is not worth the gold is going. If it's necessary to cut. International aid it's possible to do so very substantially. And to do so to the great advantage of the entire world and that's simply to eliminate military and. Non-military aid should be developed and expanded as rapidly as possible. Seems to me axiomatic and seems to me to be nothing but in the interest of the United States. The. Question
is do you believe the breakthrough in the behavioral sciences can parallel that in the scientific area. If so why or if not why not. Yes or is it I do not believe that the behavioral sciences are going to enjoy a breakthrough. I hope they don't. Because I do not regard them as sciences I do not regard them as representing knowledge and if they broke through I can't imagine what the breakthrough would be like. I'm afraid they would I'm afraid they would break through into ignorance or lunacy or something of an. Outlier. Thank you.
I believe you all heard the question. Wow. I am prepared to speculate if you will agree that that's what I am doing nothing that I say on this topic can be taken seriously because. As a large Chief Justice Brian of the High Court of England said in 14 65 the devil only know with the mind of
men. You are asking me to interpret the motives of people whom I do not know. And I have not the qualifications that Justice Brian referred to. I say that when the polls show that the majority of the American people want to turn North Vietnam and South Vietnam into a parking lot. When the official Republican position up to Mr. Romney's announcement of yesterday was to the same effect. One can see a certain justification for highly political elected official reaching a conclusion that this is the safer course for him to pursue. This is
even more the case when as we may take for granted every day the best military advice you can command this to the same effect. Let us let us assume that we have been the president of the United States and normal American political animal. Sole desire is to get re-elected on any terms. Let us assume that the information at hand up to the Gallup polls of yesterday and in Romney's speech of yesterday he was entitled to believe that the way to the White House was throw of the dummies parking lot. What more do you need to know. I think it's a brilliant example of the success of American democratic
institutions because it shows why my apotheosis that the president of the United States faithfully reflects the opinion of the majority of the people. What it is is a dreadful read whole commentary on the state of American education and on the state of American information on the state that is of the mass media. The schools colleges and universities of this country. Were. The. Question is what role do you feel that the military industrial complex at present I referred to played in the current conflict. No adequate study of the military industrial complex has ever been made.
We know that it is there if only because it was so obvious that President Eisenhower could see it. Sunset is there we must assume that it plays a very great role in the present conflict. Do. You have a question.
Q Your question has references I understood it to American education and its value was a reference to the broad philosophical tradition values morality and ostracize. Was Europe at the question place. I'm sorry. But I understand that the questioner is asking
what is the present state of American values in the light of what is obviously the present state of American society. You're saying here are there are phenomena in the American society. There are ideals traditional ideals of American society how do you put these two together is that the question. Well the answer is you can't put them together. I can only interpret that question a bit. Why don't the American people behave the way they ought to behave. And the reason the American people don't buy the way they ought to behave is that nobody is showing them how.
Great characteristic of the present age is the decline of all. All authority model authority used to be located. Church Hall School. Oddly enough. In the presidency of the United States. President of the United States occupies a great educational position in the world. When the president of the United States does not live up to his educational responsibility and consequences from the MOLLE point of view. I know less than catastrophic. Let us not be personal. What kind of nothing but the greatest sympathy for the younger generation
in my regard is the most maligned sector of our population except the negroes. The younger generation is being brought up in a hurry that in which all authority has disappeared from all the sectors of society in which it once flourished which they were taught to expect to find and sense that nobody can live without developing moral authority for themselves. They are trying to develop their own and no way succeed in any of them. They deserve the support. Understanding and sympathy of everybody who was all over them. If we could enjoy intellectual spiritual revolution in this country the question
that you answered would take care of itself. But if the object of politics is power as we learn from all political science departments and if philosophy is now nothing but monkeying around with the language and all metaphysics is nonsense and if this a current issue of the Encyclopedia Brittanica says there are no more real ethical problems since ethics is not a subject that can now be made to subject of intelligent conversation. But then the results that you poignantly describe are bound to continue. One must hope that through the educational system or through individuals under the rule the uprising of the yoke through the uprising of the negroes. Through the uprising of dissenters everywhere. This revolution may
yet be a cause. You have been listening to the Institute on world affairs a series of lectures and discussions held each year on the San Diego State College campus. At this session the principal speaker was Dr. Robert M. Hutchens who is president of the Center for the Study of democratic institutions in Santa Barbara California. The institute brings together noted leaders from all walks of life who address themselves to the perplexing problems that face mankind. The Institute on world affairs was broadcast and recorded as a public service by the radio and television facility of San Diego State College San Diego California. This is the national educational radio network.
Toward a new world
Pacem in Terris, part two
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This program presents the second part of a lecture by Dr. Robert Hutchins, director, Center for the Study of Democratic Institutions.
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