How Do You Say Hello?; 8

My name is Hannah Frey gear but I live in a fog and take you along the road passing through. But I have a feeling that girls and boys wouldn't know your mountains by that name. Their injuries the mountains of the moon. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in cooperation with UNICEF the United Nations Children's Fund presents. How do you say hello. A series of radio programs by Charles winter about children of the developing country. How do you say hello today from Uganda. The road past the ruins are part one. Uganda like every country is a country of cities towns villages and other small settlements. We have left the large city of Khan Paulo the capital of Uganda and come to the far western side of the country to Fort particle. Gilbert

can you tell me how Fort portal got its name. Well there was a man in East African company looking for explorations and he came in toto and I stayed in the defense against some tribes which were a fake team. What was this man's name. His name was Porter. Now that takes care of part of why was it called a fort where where he stayed he made a fort and so the town was called after him fought battle. One word you use that I think the girls and boys would not understand you said Toro. What is Toro Tory's a district in Uganda. Gilbert were going to go along the road past the ruins Ari's our car is waiting. So we get inside and go I think. As we drive south on this fine highway GILBERT The ruins are either mountains of the moon or to our right. What does the name mean. What does ruins ory mean.

Where in the past the people believing they're used to. Preach means. The place of green. So when I say a European who exploited Yes the people or the name of the mountain and they told him that he too has a razor and he means to keep to. And from there. They started calling him. But correctly then I should be calling these mountains brewing Zira is that right. Exactly and it means the place of the rain so I can only assume that means I must be a lot of rain in the mountains here yes. It ruins already or ruins Zura Torah language children. No it isn't. T's language the people who live along these mountains called coin drop. Now as we are leaving for port town you can see just in front of us here.

There is a former palace. A former palace skill that I didn't know that there was a king here before for years. Torre in fact was a kingdom. But. Due to changes in the country. Where there are other kingdoms in Uganda as well. Yes there were four kingdoms. Thirties tore a kingdom called the Kingdom of God and a kingdom under when youre looking. Up ahead of us then here is. A real palace of a real king who is actually no longer with us. Exactly. The ruins very mountainous in the mountains of the moon are not just for looking at all of the mountains that are climbing. Or never lucky enough to happen upon in for Arthel a man named Alistair Matheson who is a noted East African journalist and writer and he's arranged to meet us by one of the streams that comes from the mountains of the moon to describe his adventures.

Climbing the ruins Ariz Mr. Matheson. What kind of an experience is it to go to the top of the mountains of the moon. Well they're particularly difficult to get close to because unlike the big snow mountains of East Africa that's Canyon Mount Kilimanjaro. There is actually a range of mountain. Range It extends for more than 80 miles north to south. And along which is the Uganda Congo border. The foothills of the ruins to kill a complicated and the only way really to get into the main mountain Massif that's monk Stanley is to use this valley the mobile Cool River Valley. Do you mean in fact you walked up the river. That's quite right literally boulder hopping. Up the river for almost a day and a half it becomes much steeper. Did you get any what we call North America soakers. Oh plenty of that. But by the time you get high in the ruins Oh it's probably raining all the time

anyhow so one is wet through and through. You mention Stanley peak What are some of the other peaks that we would find in the ruins Ari's. Well mostly named after explorers explorers who are famous in this part of the world. Stanley speek and Baker Stanley itself has two principal peaks named margarita and Alexandra most of which are over 16000 feet. And permanently covered with snow and ice. In fact very difficult to ascend because of snow cornices and version. The time when you made this expedition. Well that was several years ago now. But as far as I'm aware the route is still the same. And I think one or two more huts have been built by the Ugandan Mountain Club for the benefit of climbers because they're becoming more and more attractive to climbers from Europe who want to find something different. In fact it's a fantastic world high in the ruins of a world of swirling mists.

And giant vegetation. There's a giant Heather Heather which grows to 15 20 feet and more like trees and the header we know and also giant a billionaire. And education known as the ground soul which is like a giant cabbage. A giant cabbage can you eat it. No I wouldn't recommend that give you indigestion. Oh yes one has to run the gauntlet of quite a few animals immediately after leaving this point here. One encounters fairly thick forest where we're bound to come across any of the trails of elephant if you don't come face to face with the elephant. Of course Buffalo and rhino as well but as you go further up the game become smaller and you encounter monkeys the cull of us and other monkeys. What was the. Single worst moment of your trip up the mountain. I think when I slid off a boulder and went down about 20 feet into this chilling water.

I might add that since we've begun talking here on the bank of this lonely stream that pours in the ruins or we were surrounded by young African children. Mr. Matheson do you see any future climbers in front of you there. Well I know that they've tried many of whom live on the slopes of the ruins of the guidance and without the guides I don't think any of the climbers had managed to get out because of the long distances and the very steep hills that they have to get up. None of them like going further than the snow. It is customary for even the guides to hand you over to I can only say Providence when you get to the snow line and from then on you are on your own. But you made it up and you're here to tell us about it. Fortunately with the aid of orange peel because when we were on the stand last year we were completely surrounded by a mist. What mountaineers call a white out. That is the sky and the ground look exactly the same. Fortunately we've been eating oranges and with the aid of the orange peel that we had littered behind. We shouldn't have done so but we were very glad

that we had gotten GPL and the footprints we got back to the Elena and from that made our way back to the porters which is just like the story of Hansel and Gretel and the rosary monkeys. It was of course something about yourself first of all how many brothers and sisters have you got. We are brothers. For being. So how many children in the family altogether. He is 25. And where do you fit in these 25 children. I come 17 17 sort of a little past Medway. Yes indeed. Are there different tribes. In Uganda. There are a lot of tribes in Uganda about 17 tribes. Which tribe do you belong to. I belong to the Torah trade. Would you spell the name for me please. T

o the Toro tribe. Does the taro tribe have its own language. Yes it has its own language. How would I say. Hello in Toro. You say Child you. Shall leave this Soul Calibur Charlie. Hello Dolly. And now I ask you how are you. How are you. Use 0 0 0 0 0. 0 or 0 0 0 0 0 Exactly. Right. I've asked you how you are I would just say I am fine. See and crooned. I'll just say I'm glad you're feeling fine and I won't try that one. I want to say goodbye. Oh God Oh sure. Thank you very much. Now suppose I were introducing myself to someone who spoke Torah how would I say my name is Charles. You see

me. Hold your hands up. You're talking to a very slow linguist Gilbert much slower for me will you please. Yang mean your. So and So. Ybarra Yeah. Liang gave me your I mean your way. Charles. Say my name is Gilbert triaging. Yang gave me you know if you write it down I guess for that I would need to know how to say. Thank you. Again please. Where by the way valid. All right Governor Waverly. From the ruins already into the foothills of the mountains themselves and we are standing now in the middle of a pigmy building. And in it there are how many houses would there be three and three

houses here now these are interesting because they are like a tennis ball cut into sitting on the flat side with these rounded houses be made of leaves and as I look around me I don't see any signs of cultivation particularly how do pygmies live by hand and sometimes and I don't think the girls and boys and I won't because the roots were plenty. And you can divorce. And what these kids have a right to be boiled or mashed or Howard the cup fried their coveys you know moved and then Boyd and then it's marched to make it somehow soft so it can be yes. Now you said the pygmies would hunt what wild animals for example with a hunt because they are very small people. Well they had very small animals and

creatures they are using. He is very thick too you might we see one of those Gilbert. Gilbert has picked up. You have had both first when you get older what does it mean I was it would you know it is made up of wood which is a soft wood because it has to be bent. Oh yes. And what is the. It isn't a string What is it. This is a kind of blind. It's a plant fiber it would be like a quarter of an inch thick wouldn't it. Most poser wood all the way but this one is covered with something else what is this a button below my hand. This is the skin of a monkey. What is that done for just for decoration I think. How high would that all be. About two feet. It's a little small for me isn't it being six feet tall. Let me see the air and I will replace Gilbert. OK. Again it would it would be what. And about a foot and a half

long. Now the tip of it is mantle. And it's smashed very flat it's almost the shape itself of a lot of Parmalee. Like a comely I think you might say it's very sharp as I test my finger on the end of it. And would they use any poison with these arrows. Yes they do. These are straight then. Doesn't that much the end of it and goes the president just goes around in the situating of that. I noticed a woman down here with a large pipe. Is that a special kind of pygmy user this is a special kind of paper the pigmies use and she's very powerful and they put on one side and then spot it again. She's very into this where they put in the wood dried green fibers sort of material just like tobacco told isn't it. All right now. I notice just a moment ago one of the pigs sitting on

top of the drum and beating it with his tiny hands. Could we hear or see some of the drums at the beginning. Let's walk over. We moved over now he said a drummer who is something he's warming up in his drum. It's interesting because he doesn't have it sitting on the ground in front of him he sits on top of it and it lies down is that right. And what are these drums made of the drums and what is the strap over here he's making one is trying to make you. Tell the girls it was how he does this. You bring a seat near the place so that it expands and being this straight so that when he's beating around the side of it with a stick to what test the tension.

Yes I also see some other man with some tiny bamboo. It looks like whistles or something what are they. Why say. They don't blow through them. How do they open. I don't know whether to open on one side all right. And it is only open on one say and the other one is blocked and actually they don't blow through it they blow across the top of it. We have a complete rhythm section here what is it that lady has never handled. Well it is a kind of maracas I think. Oh like the dragons are seeds inside. Yeah but she holds it differently she

has the big one in her hand and the other is attached by a thong to her and she swings it through the air to make it back together. She catches this Marlin and then makes it sing again and in so doing it makes some sort of I'd like to try to do. I think. My fingers that shakes there like a make ahead anyway. It's harder than it looks. But he's one more instrument right.

God asks I should tell you girls and boys this is a stringed instrument it has 2 4 5 strings on it on a curved sounding board. Did he say he would play of course. OK. That's a very nice delicate like. He said always played alone or is a drum used with his own. There's a drummer next door who wants to get into the act doesn't it. We're just starting toward one of the houses to go inside and outside it stands a man with what looks to me suspiciously like a slingshot is that a sling shot. What's it made. Let me have a look. What were these for ammunition and what are they going to kill with this canticle. Do you

suppose he would. Mr Gunn forty or fifty I should say so I think. Well let's go into the house. Well we got through the doorway and here we are what would you know it's round. How far across from wall to wall. I think you and I certainly cannot stand up straight and we're both about six feet tall. We have an earthen floor but I think there's a fireplace here a small bunch of stone. But when the woods are not the danger of a fire inside with this banana fiber and family I don't see a chimney where does the smoke. Over them when we came through

this house is a partition. What is in the next room. I think the next room is it. It's even smaller than this one isn't flying and things hanging on it now what with the big me sleep on in this bed I think. So it's like a mattress with looking around me I see an arrows hanging from the side wall here green bananas are they waiting to ripen or are they first removed and then this is a vegetable in them. Exactly on top of the partition What is that. It's a dried fish now and then I guess to supplement the exactly in case they get tired of one they got the other. Now over in

the corner is something I hardly expected to see over their situation. Do they always keep chickens. One thing is a sure way of getting fresh eggs. We have asked the chief of the figure village if he would talk to us just for a moment or two. Would you ask him how many people there would be in his village. 16. 16 16 will this be the average size of a pygmy you know in the USA xian you have. He says. This is MORNING. How long has this been here.

Yeah. We're just going to walk. They say they came this year. I think they must have been show time. Why would they have left their old location to come here. Well they tell me that when they were in the first place there was some sort of chaos. And their friends used to mistreat visitors. So this group decided to move this way so that they can receive them. Where. Would you tell him that he certainly received us nicely and thank him very much and want to know. As we leave this evil I discovered I think we should really love the girls and boys know that the pygmies are only a tiny tiny handful of people in Uganda is that not correct it is

correct and so are they in fact a vanishing race of people. This new government is trying to do or its best so that they can give up or so on rickets turned their eyes toward people to the government is trying to protect them and look at their interests as well. Exactly. Gilbert aside from reading writing arithmetic mathematics biology and so forth what else do you do in school where your school would do a lot of activity. I represent my school you know I do football. Not American football. And family in the first year live in the school in fact the school has to compete with them in various activities. What do you mean the first 11 in the school team. Oh I see. All right then athletics is a major interest of yours. Yeah I'm very much interested.

Which is your favorite sport. My favorite sport. Even snow truck even that is full of old. Hop step and jump and discuss. Are you any good at it. Yeah I'm very good at them. Pleased to hear it. He said Do you want to 25 children. That's a large family. How do you manage it. My father had all of them didn't live in the only one who used to get credit. So for example during Holy Days when we're talking children in fact. Among Brothers and sisters and have their own homes so very much

we feel that you mention the word palaces. Your father lived in palaces. Yes they used to live in. What was your father. This has been the road past the ruins of one program in a radio series titled How do you say hello. Produced on location by Bill Shaw for the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and the United Nations Children's Fund. We would like to thank the government of Uganda for their hospitality and assistance. This program was distributed by the national educational radio network.