How Do You Say Hello?; 3
Your country used to have a different name to the US. When was the change made from Tang to. Tanzania. To 26 to 64 where one country decided to treat people differently. Which is sort of a combination of the two names then Tang and you can enter into bars in. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in cooperation with UNICEF United Nations Children's Fund presents. How do you say hello. A series of radio programs by Charles winter about children of the developing countries. How do you say hello today from Tanzania enough's enough. I can't sing.
City do you live. I live or die so there is a lot of us and we're going to. Get it done to me. What is the main language of your country of you. So I Swahili. Yes. How would I say hello in Swahili. Jumbo jumbo. Yes if I wanted to say how are you. But when I say how bad of how bad is out about a zygote. Well right now I'm going to say jumbo about a cycle. What would you say in return. What would you say Siri to a jury to. Well for my language lesson I would have to say. Thank you. How do I say that. I say. All right my language lesson I say assumptive. Dar es Salaam is the capital of Tanzania the whole largest city would be.
Its population is demanding. Just. What does the name Dar es Salaam mean it means a haven of peace is bought by the Arabs. That soft lapping sound you hear is the Indian Ocean. Tell the girls and boys where we are right now. If you were in the habit of just to learn. I have never seen a harbor as fellowships as this is what would some of these craft be in front of us. For example all the little ones just directly had an eye right what are they there for pleasure craft and you want to go fishing or anything like that. All right now way over on the far side over there what are they. Passenger ships and the two or three small gray ones very near to us. They're the patrol ships. Now this is jammed full of ships. How on earth do the captains know how to come
in when they come in and where to go when the ship is coming in person sends a message to the customs duties or customs just tells the ship where they can come in or not and when they come in here are they given a specific place to put the ship is there. So what we're really looking at then is the parking lot for ships. Here is something I have never done is felt the Indian Ocean could we go closer when I drop a hand in. If you come with me. Yes. Oh Ophelia that must be surely the warmest water it ever felt in my life is this where you swim. I sometimes come to sit here but I almost always stimulus to be. Do you suppose we would have time to take off our shoes and socks and take five minutes for a short paddle. Yes. It's impossible to walk through the streets of Dar es Salaam Ophelia without noticing the beautiful materials that
women wear in their clothing. What are these materials. There. And I hear that there may have been a hero. Are they made into dresses or what are they. You can buy them. A little piece of TV these two yards and you can buy as it would be said but not just for me to make a difference. How do you spell the name of that material again. Again age 8 and Congo. Yes. What about the women I see dressed in in a black sort of cover role shawl kind of thing. Well that's part of my brain. It's being sort of diminished now but it's a. Sort of like the way it's just to me. Would you tell the girls and boys how babies are carried by their mothers in your country. It looks so comfortable. They can get the bags to put it on. That's my business. My man. Bends down and then ties it over the baby and ties a condom
ways. To. Make this. Final. Could I describe it as sort of a hammock worn on the back. Yes. Can you remember from when you were a very little girl what it felt like to ride that way. Sometimes it was it's a comfort to me really. It's hard but when it's good it's nice but I didn't want to get out front. Well for you why are we stopping here. We're starting to see the big market what is the name of the market. Oh my Would you spell it for me. I carry a CO. My area code market I got that right. OK as we walk toward the market I can hear a clinking sound in the air what is that sound of coffee send us what you mean the sound of coffee sellers What do they do think peeling cups to get it to make you know just a hole and we get close to one when we stop.
You. From Going to the market now. For you we have gone past stall after stall at the stall of fish I have never seen so many kinds. What would be easy the four. Most important the most popular kinds of fish in your country they would be down so you would see. A single spot grandstand. There would be major kinds of fish. Have you eaten all of these fish you know I have done in the jungle. Do you like it. Is. See here this must be one of the coffee sellers you're talking about. Uses what is a gun in his hands to drinking drugs. What is he doing with them. He's just turning them around looking to you Don't you think a judge people's attention to police or decency and where is he got the coffee and the take part
is getting is the county brewing in there all the time. Yes is bringing in their own time then when you take stuff you have to pay for it. Used to what I like it but I don't think so. Why don't you try some turned out so I was like another cup of toppings but we landed at a boy and. It smells quite strong. Yes I think it is strong. I've never tasted it but. I have and I did just. It's Black Poppy did they put a sugar in it or cream and I. Know they don't they just sell a lot. Well. Here goes. I have a little more of this kind of enjoyable I think. This is one of the most popular fruits cocoanuts we get coconuts my home sometimes but I guess they must be imported from places like Tanzania.
The Sundance Film show off the coast of the US in the States. What do you do with coconuts here how do you eat them. Sometimes you just. Cut them open and you drink gnocchi juice inside. And the sand shoes full making soap. Making your shoes even soap to wash your face and hands. No. Washing of dishes. So much pain. And this sort of fancy to you see outside is mostly for donuts and us kids. But this sounds like really an all purpose one thing use it for for clothing and for cleaning and for eating. Yes. Would you ask. The girl who's minding the store she would open a coconut for us. And then you for your. Own. Card to book a. Ticket. The girl is taking a long night and she's. Getting a coconut on the side.
And all the time she hits it she turns it around in the conver hand. And having loosened it she then wiped it went on the floor and. It's now in two halves. Suppose you and I eat these two hands as we walk along. This is tobacco. This long braided coil of brown stuff is tobacco. Yes it is. You can react when it's used as snuff it makes you seize it up so it makes a stance How do you take it. You put it to get to just listening is sniffing. You let out a sneeze. You know what I'd like to do. I'd like to see what happens if I took some out. This was like a price. Even now he took a teaspoon and it into a brown pottery substance and appear to just put a pinch in the palm of my hand. Now what do I do with the civilian
sit at the bar No I don't since none. Of nothing's happening. Let's roll a bit more and see what happens. It's getting a little sharp inside there. I don't feel a sneeze coming on yet. Oh my. I can feel something going up and off here I think and I'm happy. Oh Lord it's gonna feel your pain but I doubt that. Over You Have you any brothers or sisters. Yes I have a I have a small about how much smaller and what's his name. Oh yes well he's nearly ten now. What sort of game is to play play around his neck.
Boy you can call it football football which means something. That's only the boys play that the girls play around isn't it. OK. Do you read a great deal of feeling. Yes I do. What sort of books to read in Tanzania. Adventure stories misused this and her stories are the benches terrorism in Europe but in fact I think I'm sure he didn't like his name his name very familiar to Canadian or North American girls and boys. What kind of subjects to study in school. We studied Biology Chemistry Physics English so the math judging from how long is your school day. From 7:30 in the morning up to five foot. Away the minute 7:30 in the morning until 5:30 in the afternoon. Yes it is. We suck at 7:30. Let me have a break from tuft to add to his subtle lessons until fall. So
far we've gotten to doing a sort of marching to that last up to 5:30. Do you ever get kept in after school and are a solo only if we're not here to get tensions but sometimes we don't. It's not very often that we don't because we're very careful to keep watching because we have plans from going out after that. That's. At 5:30 when we get up at school cause it's quite late sometimes want to go to the Senate. Well with your detentions take place after 5:30 a.m.. Yes they would. Along with they last. Until about 6:15. What sort of thing happens if you get a detention. You're told to stay in and do some extra help for the teacher. Well you you get lines that I must not do this or must not do that. It depends on what's happened. There are different punishments for different crimes is that it is there. Now you said that after school if you have no detention you may go to the cinema. What kind of movies do.
We see Western movies like cowboys fighting all of those things. We see medicines no hard feelings. What is your favorite fan style. Of you know I have left our Land Rover on the mainland and have taken an airplane to come to an island that has one of the most exotic names in the world. Tell the girls and boys where we are Ophelia plains NZ but. On the island of Zanzibar and went our way in the autumn to Zanzibar in the harbor. All right as we drove through the streets from the airport to this harbor I could get the most beautiful spicy smell in the air. What precise moment is mending clothes. They're being dragged out in the sun. Our clothes an important crop and sense of where you stand. Is that why at one time. This island was called the spice Island yes. Right before us there in the
water. What are those ships. Good does which he used for fishing and which come from Somalia and East Africa. And someone from here as well. First of all how do you spell it. D h o w. Would you describe it it's a kind of your own kind of obsession with a very tall mast and one suit and these are only driven by wind. One of the ships made up made of wood. Now you said they came from Somaliland and from East Africa. Are there any other countries they might come from. Yes Arabia. What sort of cargoes were they be bringing They would be being dried fish and rocks. No I seem to have heard that in olden times there was trade between Zanzibar and India but ships would be used in their trade. Those would be loosed and I don't think the trades has carried on you know. OK so I went ahead with the Dows get across the Indian Ocean that's a vast body of
water. They would come by the winds come by the north east winds and go back by the Southwest These days ahead of the head of US the large ones look very old to me. Are they older or are they built today is still being built today but some of them acquired towed right now way down at the end of this wharf there are much smaller boats so they douse as well. Yes they are they used for fishing and the time the ship fish they leave at 3:00 4:00 PM in the afternoon the air ifit about 9:00 10:00 a.m. the next day they fish all night and they either leave the airlines or the fish nets. So these then are really night workers that have to work all night and sleep all day. Yes how do you think you'd like that. Don't like it very much. The little fishing dhows Well even the big does beside us here. Who would run it only. Some families just run them off the few friends or so
it might be a father and his sons. Yes and sometimes just the father and his friends in North America and other modern shipping radios are used in many other things for navigation but I don't see any radio antenna on these dows How do they navigate. They use this does for navigation because they don't have any radios. You mean to tell me that at one time sailors could cross the Indian Ocean in and out by using nothing but the stars. Yes and perhaps the Somalian people who are here now did the same thing is they probably did. Do you know the stars in the sky well enough to navigate. You know. As we drive through the streets of Zanzibar a video can you tell me a little bit about the early history of how the island started became first. First people came just selfish and did stay for two three days and then they'd go back to the mainland. These people beat the Africans and then a few years later they saw the film begin to settle.
And when they had settled the Portuguese came to try and rule them and then they asked the Arabs for. Help. To try to get the Portuguese away but they did not succeed. And also slave trading came with the Arabs. We've stopped our car very briefly because here is the whole reason for Spice Islands before us on a large courtyard What are these. They're closer to being dried out in the sun. I don't quite understand this because I can see at least three different colors of clover spread out here. Well first one the young ones are picked they're green and then later on when they when they've been in the sun for a few days they turn red and then afterwards when they've been in the sun long they turn brown and in there and they would be useful making cakes or just for spicing their food. They also used for flavoring tobacco.
Where were these clothes that were drying her come from. They'd come from the clove plantations which would be outside tins but. We started up again leaving the area where the clothes were drying and we were driving through the streets so narrow that I think Ophelia put her hand to one window and I put my hand at the other window we would touch walls on either side. Why are the streets so narrow if you knew there was no planning in the streets to do it that was before there were cars and things may had only donkeys to ride and they didn't need any whites to sense why. A million How large is the UN that sounds among the sounds bites to come to our minds back to my contributions my meaning nicely. What kind of people would they be willing to meet. If you listen very very closely in the background you'll be able to hear some gripping.
We're about 15 miles outside Zanzibar town down at the bottom of an enormous dark and I mean it's a very mysterious cave. We're going to tell the girls and boys about this cave which in this case was used fool slaves the slaves used to come here when they were being true by people who were going to so peaceful purposes. What kind of thing is it used for now. People come to where. And as a theory says that a woman is just now by the pool in the bottom of the cave going to dip an enormous metal bucket. Into the pool. Oh.
Right. But he and I are now standing in one of the most historic places probably in Zanzibar right in front on the doorstep as a matter of fact of David Livingston's hosts. How did he use this house. He is this house of the bank for his journeys to Africa where there are other explorers who went to Africa from Zanzibar. Thank you Nancy because I know this house is white on the outside. Three stories high and rectangular with a very large overhanging the eaves it also has what two four six eight 10 shuttered windows wire all the windows shattered. This was a Turkish custom because their wives could see outside and people outside couldn't see them because the Turkish didn't like their wives to be seen. So in fact Libby's doing was living in a house that had been built by the Turks originally.
Yes. Now the door right in front of us is one of the biggest doorways I've ever seen made of planks with. What are those in the blanks for us. What are they used for these busts for decoration and which are much more beautiful. Come with you I have a strange desire to do something you suppose that I could knock on the door of David Livingston's house yes you could. Nobody is here but imagine our surprise if David Livingston open the door for him to be very surprising indeed because he's been dead for many years. As we talk of food you were suddenly surrounded by dozens of young children and they must be your age or younger. Would you ask some of them their name please. Yeah I mean your question.
Would you ask them if they could together sing a song for me. Yes. I am really like two centuries ago. I was the center of the world slave trade. People were bought and sold here the way cattle are bought and sold in a cattle market in Canada North America today. A Fenian are standing now right at the heart of the old slave market in Zanzibar town on Zanzibar Island. But what is it turned into Ophelia.
It's turned into a cathedral the cathedral is it. It's the Anglican Cathedral. And where we have said is where the old slave market just to be at the post to the high altar is where what you post with this claim. As we're talking I happen to notice in the wall above your head a stained glass window and a plaque beneath it. Perhaps you read it. I think the girls and boys would be interested. To the glory of God and memory of Livingston men would get free the slaves in haste in Christ's kingdom in Africa love not their lives even unto death. This window is dedicated here. And so well leave horrors of slavery are fortunately but a memory this cool and very beautiful cathedral lives on.
How did you make your first airplane right there which is very nice indeed. It's really fascinating the way when you get up in in an airplane things seem to be so small but as soon as you get done and done again they tend to know the size. Of a yard at a very happy time. They are under a so-long and over the Zanzibar with you and the curse to be would you have anything you would like to say to the girls and boys encounter in North America. Yes. I hope you like this program which I'm making. And now do you think of me when you're listening. Thank you very much. This has been enough snuff programming a radio series by Charles winter entitled How do you say hello. Produced on location by Bill Shaw for the
Canadian Broadcasting Corporation and UNICEF United Nations Children's Fund. We'd like to thank the government of Tanzania for their hospitality and assistance. This program was distributed by the national educational radio network.
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- How Do You Say Hello? is a series of radio programs hosted by Charles Winter and produced by the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation in cooperation with UNICEF. In each episode, Winter visits a different country in the developing world and talks with a young person about their local traditions, culture, history, language, and community. Throughout their conversation, they visit various local points of interest and describe these events and environments. Winter also interviews adults and other members of the community.
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