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Is a W H many TV 32 special presentation. It is just so. Terrifying. Feeling goes over me to think that you know you can be so communicable. My biggest worry about AIDS is that I might catch it. The risk of getting AIDS through heterosexual contact is growing. AIDS has swept like a prairie fire. Sometimes I think right now our epidemic has produced some staggering numbers. I can't believe how many people are dying. When should you consider getting tested and why. I just wish it was a bad dream it would all go away. The more moral by beads the more you can protect yourself and your family. From them. Good evening I'm Carol Randolph and welcome to a very important show this evening we're going to talk
about AIDS our title is AIDS lifeline and I'd like to introduce to you the members of our panel. They are James McLaurin He's a volunteer for the Whitman-Walker Clinic he was diagnosed with having AIDS two years ago. Sitting next to him is Patricia Kelly she's the training director of the Northern Virginia AIDS ministry. She's been a practicing nurse for nine years as a hospice care where she works with AIDS patients. David Brubeck He's the founder and executive director of the Maryland AIDS Foundation. He started his organization three and a half years ago after a family member died of AIDS. And last but certainly not least Dr. Wayne Grisi is a medical director in the infectious disease department at Howard University Hospital. Let's all give him a big round of applause. Thank you. All right we're going to get started let me just say just where we are right here by asking just how dumb are we when it comes to AIDS. How dumb are we. You're it. We'll all take a turn on this one I think I think we can probably all answer this.
I think the biggest challenge for me as a as a training person as a person who is constantly teaching aides is to realize that you constantly have to start over. I go back to the beginning that there are incredible numbers of people who do not know the real facts which are very very simple. And instead are are sort of floundering around in a whole mess of misinformation. I think if I have one piece of advice that I give to just about everybody I work with. It's if you hear a fact about AIDS check the source. There are very reliable sources for information about AIDS public health departments obviously. But there are a lot of people who get their information about AIDS from what some of us call the supermarket medical journal Exactly. I've heard you have offered to all it's do is offer glad you can sit around you can share foods or any of these other kinds of things. OK. Before we really get into this let me just say that there are some people we want to think right off the bat who are responsible for making this program possible. And I believe would like to get to that if that's coming up right now is that
it the people who are responsible for underwriting our program. They're not ready for that let me go out and continue with this. I do say check the source let me ask you Doctor how should we do this. Should we test everybody I mean this is something that's been kind of put around it that only those who are in the high risk when there are people who are say Well James J Kilpatrick let me just quote him we're overreacting only a small group of people are really involved with all of this. Who should we test and how what test is an issue all by itself and I think we know enough about this disease or the whole problem of AIDS that we know enough to protect ourselves. I think the trouble or difficulty is in getting the message across to those who most need it. And your question earlier about how dumb are we depends on what group you're talking to how much they've been targeted before. I don't think that we can say that we need to test everyone if I think it's a waste of time and money. I think the same messages that we now give me is for those who are risk those who are infected and those who think that any
infected. Now when you say just those that group is it moving out into the heterosexual population shouldn't all of us have some basic foundation. David we see it's not who you are or what you are whether you're gay straight black white Hispanic poor or rich. It's what you do and how you do it that determines whether you're going to stay healthy or you don't get sick with this darn thing. And so whether it spreads here or spreads there my goodness it's throughout the world now. It's in every sector of our society. And what's marvelous about what we know is we know enough to protect ourselves. There will be people who survive because they know how to protect themselves so that causes some very bullish. Language. We have to really talk no I can tell you. Everybody cover our ears do we say not our children and how do we say for example I'm not gay I'm not intravenous drug users. So why should I even worry about that what the likelihood of me running into someone who's going to have AIDS. Well and in this area in the greater Washington D.C. area an up and down the East Coast in our
major urban areas it's now estimated that one out of 30 men one out of 75 women are infected with the AIDS virus. And you see when Jack Kilpatrick was talking about how many people have full blown AIDS that is not the true measurement of the epidemic The true as a measurement of the AIDS epidemic is how many of our neighbors are infected. How many of these neighbors are infecting others and don't know it. And number three how many are in danger because of their activities of being infected. And that is a whole lot of folks to music go. I was infected I had numerous Is this pneumonia. I didn't know I was infected with the virus. I mean my life discontinued as you know like everything was all right until the time I got pneumocystis pneumonia and a lot of in a lot of cases that's the way it happens. And unless you. No you were an invited status. You don't know you just not unless you have gone to the doctor when you were in one of those high risk groups to be
concerned about. Yes. Was it that you just the symptoms didn't jar something out what you didn't have the information. Well I had a lot of information but what I saw on television was gay white man which was wrong. You know I was totally wrong and I really kind of believe that I was a victim of that. I am not a victim by which. The only information I had was that this affected white male it doesn't bother me does not apply to me because I'm black or it doesn't bother me because I'm not gay it doesn't bother me because I'm not this or I'm not that AIDS is a virus that I would tack everybody that lives has blood and if you have blood running through your system believe me the virus loves it. So nobody's free of this because you don't know what another person has done or where that person has been. That person may not know or the person that they were with
does not know. OK I've been shown a sign about a phone number I'm not sure if this is the one that we're supposed to get three three two aides have individuals call it three three to a ID s and you get right on in and call us on this and we can talk to each other about it. I really say you didn't know you were in a high risk group. You didn't test yourself until the symptoms became full blown or at least enough to to want going for medical treatment you want to add something with that data. Yeah let's throw in the trash can this whole myth of high risk groups. Yeah. They're only high risk activities and those high risk activities are unprotected sex whether it's bad general or anal or oral sex or the sharing of needles and syringes and shooting up drugs you know cocaine smack speed heroin whatever right. Or shooting up steroids like so many of our young athletes doing. And of course so many of our wonderful young women who are infected are in great danger of giving the virus to their unborn baby through all that's how it's done its activities. It isn't groups. All right doctor if that's the case then where are we on this in terms of medically. If I
test as well as what J's are saying right here we have a test done. Let me bring up. Another issue but I'm sure it's one that you have to be concerned with. What do you tell. I know legally and ethically you're supposed to only tell the person who would dare to be tested. But what about as David said it's just activity with spouses that might be associated with it be they male or female. How are the the significant other I love that term significant that it went to how do you feel about that that particularly the women. Well you know it's just like other sexually transmitted diseases of a magnified much greater and deadly disease. Like David was saying earlier I think for those couples or people I mean whether male female or otherwise where there is a strong sense of bonding or true concern for the partner there is usually a willingness to want to share the information about a positive test result with the other person. We're asking about a responsible individual Yes but it has been my experience that most people are willing to tell the other person some need help from
us as physicians. But generally after a bit of counseling they are willing to and may not be the first session but usually we get to that point. There are some people and this is true I think not necessarily among persons who are infected but in a population in general who are not responsible. And unfortunately there are a few of them as well. We're going to go to the people who are responsible for us being here on the air isn't that a segue don't you just love that never. There are individuals who have underwritten this program we want to acknowledge them at this time. We'll be right back. Each. Special program is presented in the public interest by the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company. As the AIDS crisis deepens there is still no vaccine or cure and none is in sight. AIDS is not only a threat to high risk groups such as the gay community and intravenous drug users. It's a threat that could touch
any of us and all of us. And until there is a medical breakthrough our only defense is education. I'm John Creedon president of Metropolitan Life Insurance Company. Tonight special program provides essential information about AIDS. It's the first in a series of five programs about AIDS which will be presented this year MetLife is underwriting these programs in the public interest for over 100 years. We have been bringing information to Americans. I'm put in health issues. And we believe the AIDS epidemic may be the most serious health issue facing our nation and the world in this century. So whatever your current attitude or knowledge is about AIDS we urge you to watch and listen. The more we know about AIDS the better our chances to prevent it. Ah. Thank you so much truth is that the more we know about it we have the opportunity to save a life. Maybe even your Oh I gave you a number 3 3 2 8 which is for
more information. But we have a phone number that we want to give you to call now so that you can participate in a program that is 6 3 6 5 5 5 7 r r r 5 5 8 so that you can call now and join us in our discussion here let me go again to that point about who do you tell and how should we do this. We talk about that in terms of people who are responsible. But we heard here these infamous examples if you will of individuals who are not responsible. Any comments about that David. Take not just anybody all right it's not the psychopath. It's not the prostitute. It's not you know some mad crazy Typhoid Mary kind of person who is spreading AIDS. Honest to god it's the girl next door. It's the boy next door is the person who looks like he doesn't have a care in the world health problem at all but he's infected with the AIDS virus or she's infected with the AIDS virus and they're infectious to others. These are our friends who are infecting others. Now James and a lot of times they don't know. But I have to answer a bit of that
question yesterday. Who do you tell you. When your doctor tells you the first thing I would suggest is to go into therapy. If you are and about the positive things that you know when I was first told I was just dumbfounded and had no idea what to do or what was available to me because I was in fact it two years ago and two years ago there was a lot of ignorance still. But that's changed now. But you have to be cautious even today. As to who you say what to the expression that I have AIDS because you have people who will. I lost my job my apartment my insurance a lot of my friends some of my family members didn't want to associate with me anymore but I did have a very wonderful response from my mother and my sister. Your mother is here in New York this evening. When you say you're lost and some people are fighting back in the
courts are you doing that. Are you now not. I don't want to spend what time I have left. Fighting in court. I want to enjoy my life. And for most enjoying my life or helping to teach someone else how to get into my situation. OK we're going to there right now we're going to go to a phone call about I have played here on the air. Good evening everybody. It was a means of transmitting the virus. What scientific evidence can you offer to support that statement. All right Doctor. I don't this is a well-informed audience out here yes. Now I think that it is theoretically possible and terribly possible since we know that for example semen is one of the most infectious body fluids in terms of contain the virus. I'm not aware specifically of any published document in the medical literature that specifically shows that the virus has been transmitted
from one individual to another through or end of course but it makes sense logically as a preventive measure to consider that it can occur. I can't offer you any hard data to support it. However I read in them some of the material in preparation for this they said if you had cuts in your mouth now I don't know how people know when they had the the Brayton to let you do a lot of this on the arm but any of us who brush our teeth. That means most of us have little cuts in our mouth. And it's that break in the mucous membrane in the mouth that gives the opening for the virus to get in and therefore into the bloodstream which is the way we get to. Who is going to take a chance of stand in front of somebody that has a 38 in the same person with a 38 ready to shoot something. You're going to just walk in front of it. It's the same thing. Don't don't put yourself at risk. You know we have some visual that we're going to show later on a program which speaks specifically to that about how you determine what is safe sex and some other examples of how to go through this.
So we have another phone call go right ahead please you're on the air. Yes hello. We don't have that person there are let's go to a video because we're talking about this. This one is there only a few ways in which you can get affected by the AIDS virus. And here are the ways in which this can be done. I.V. drug use when an addict shoot up and share needles they do something that allows the AIDS virus to spread. Usually they will draw some of their blood into the syringe before they inject the drug. When the next addict does the same thing it is like mixing the blood in the syringe. When one person is infected with the AIDS virus anyone using that needle could pick up the virus. Another way the virus moves from one person to the next is through sex. And it doesn't matter if it is between two men a man and a woman or two women. When someone is infected with a virus it can be found in their blood and the fluids they produce during sex semen in men. Valve fluid in women. If these fluids get
into a partner's blood through a break in their tissue then that partner has been exposed and can be infected by the AIDS virus. And for heterosexuals transmission can go in either direction from man to woman or from woman to man. In short unprotected sex is risky because there is an exchange of bodily fluids. Some people were infected by AIDS tainted blood transfusions before safeguards were put on the blood supply. But now there is a test which can detect infected blood. The AIDS virus can spread one other way. When a woman with a virus is pregnant she can pass the virus to her unborn child possibly during the birth process itself. There was also speculation that mothers can transmit the virus through breast feeding. In short there are very few ways in which the AIDS virus can pass from one person to another. That's exactly what you were saying David it isn't necessarily the high risk group it is the activities that are involved that manage to get the virus transmitted from one to the other you have a question or comment here.
Yes yes as I've suggested that we know now enough to protect ourselves. How exactly do we do that. How exactly do we do that. Well we're talking about send phatic a latex condoms latex us what we call him on the street. ROBERTS OK and there are a whole bunch of rubbers out now that are pretty lubricated with some neat stuff that kills the AIDS virus. OK let me stop you right there with a latex not animal. Yeah you know those those fancy Mancy animal membrane condoms for a big sensitive man. Yeah right. They don't protect you. OK. They don't because they've got pours in on their pores to just wipe the membranes in your body you know you're an animal you don't want to you personally. If you doubt our plan so we do yeah but yeah you got poor in your membrane and those little holes and the viruses that cause herpes calamity a whole bunch of other sexually transmitted diseases and AIDS can get through those little holes so you gotta use rubber synthetic latex condoms and there are a whole bunch of them out that are now pretty lubricated with some stuff called
non oxygen all 9 this stuff kills the AIDS virus. Plus the women have got to use a spermicide that's like a vegetable foam or gel that also contains an on off that are already on the market in the truck and where every drawing was supermarket. Yeah doc but for those people who may not yet be in tune with using condoms and who for whatever reason are totally against it. There are other things you can do if it's something that you can deal with you can become celibate. I was going to say just say no. Well I don't know I would just say no lap about it does it. Thing just say in the works quite honestly and I think that's a gimmick that doesn't work in this case but it's popular. But you can choose to be monogamous I hope that your partner is also going to be monogamous. I mean there are those alternatives that you can avoid putting your stuff in a position where you might end up having intercourse with a person whom you consider iris or who you don't know very well. All those are things that you can do to protect yourself. And of course US and
robbers are another way to add to all these preventive steps. All right that we're talking at the sexual aspect of it and there are other things that we're going to talk about let's try for a phone call right now go right ahead please you're on the air. I know you're on the air. We don't have anybody on yet. Hello. Is the price in there. No. David let's talk about safe sex though. The only 100 percent safe sex is a beautiful loving expression between two people who are not infected with the AIDS virus right who have made a lasting commitment to each other. In other words we're talking about marriage or really wonderful relationship where you know the sexual history. It seems to me that I'd almost have to know the sexual history of the person for the last it was five years mad sounds like Kinnear and you don't know this actual resume of everybody do you. And I like I like what James said today when you're sleeping with somebody you sleeping with everybody he has slept with and she has slept with and that is very crowded and dangerous bad a lot of people in there you know.
We're joined by Major groups right here. Yeah and so you know while we have to do today in the stage of AIDS the loving thing to do is the protecting thing. Now I personally hope that everybody particularly young people because you know in the teenage hotline this is where our main emphasis is. I hope that young people will wait for sex until they know that found the kind of love that won't abandon them when times get rough for you said the teenager. I happened to be standing up here with some members who were volunteers in that particular area. Do you ever have teenagers call you if so what do you say you know what kind of comments you make. I'm with you. It's not one of them they want to. OK. Stand up isn't that awful on this hot day. We want to see your face on television. Yes I know they heard it just need to see you that's all right of course. And if there was no us you know just trying to get by so you
just got to you're giving that in that information over the phone. Right and what also they want to know is it just basically sets out safe sex or is it because of a mosquito. OK. And that's the last of that because I've heard adults as that cannot be transmitted by mosquitoes. Killer AIDS mosquitoes are right. It makes sense doesn't it. I mean you know it's a mosquito comes and bites and extract straggler of rice feeding right and then goes over and bites somebody else makes a resin right. There are only two ways that in our throw pod check that term arthropods like a mosquito a flea attack a bed bug. Only two ways they can transmit a virus. Mechanical and biological biological means that there is some sort of viral activity inside the blood in the mosquito. And that means that it multiplies that replicates inside. Well that happens with malaria. But guess what doesn't happen with the AIDS virus. It doesn't multiply it doesn't replicate all the mechanical you see.
It would take two thousand six hundred bytes from an infected person let's say Waynes infected right. And you go to get away from here you know. And this goes as it goes over here and bites your 2600 plus and even then it's a far off remote chance that she would get infected. Real life doesn't work this way. Can I ask you to hold that a minute we're going to go to a tape David give me these wonderful lines that lead ended and how do you talk about how the body is attacked by all of this. But we do have a video that we want to show you right now that shows you exactly how the AIDS virus attacked the body. If germs such as the common cold virus gets inside of you your body soldiers called helper T-cells which are in your blood. They identify the particular enemy from hundreds of millions of possible types of invaders. These are cells then call in their B cells which manufacture antibodies. These antibodies then surrounding enemy virus and kill it. This is how we stay
healthy with the AIDS virus also called HIV for Human Immunodeficiency Virus. It is another story. HIV or the AIDS virus uses some special tricks to fool the immune system. First it enters the body already hidden in a T-cell so it isn't recognized right away. This delay gives the AIDS virus a chance to get a head start and multiply. Eventually the healthy cells recognize that there is something strange about these infected cells and they call in the B cells to start making out of bodies. It usually takes four to six weeks to produce antibodies to the virus. By then slipping into healthy cells with the antibodies can't destroy them they can hide there for months or even years. In most cases and for reasons we don't yet understand the virus begins to multiply inside the cell. In fact it becomes a factory for producing the virus and eventually the T cell itself is
destroyed. After a while almost all the cells are destroyed so weak they can't do their job. Now your body can no longer defend itself from attacks of other diseases and these diseases are the actual killers. Fascinated by it. If you can say this about something that's good but it's a wonderful way to make people understand exactly what's happening. But something about him in this country. It talked about what I want to give you an example from a study that was done in Africa at the International Conference of the summit before last that was here in Washington D.C. one of the sessions was done by a physician from East Africa from Uganda and he was saying that in Africa particularly it's very hard to dissuade people getting people to believe that musky do not in fact carry this virus because any of us including myself who have lived in Africa know that you live with musk you know bites. And they did a study a significant study of a number of families
in a particular part of Uganda and there was a fairly significant rate of HIV infection. But the interesting thing was that those mosquitoes only bit sexual partners. His point being that the musky toes were biting everybody. But the only people who were becoming HIV positive were not everybody. They were people who were sexually active with other people who had the virus. The kids the older people the people who were not sexually active I don't mean to imply that older people are not sexually active. I'm an older person. But I'm not yet. But there are all those people in those other categories. We're not getting infected. The musky was not the variable that counted it was the sexual activity. Our weight if you will then will go to the phone. Yes I am thing is true for the Belgrade area of Florida. You know there was quite a hullabaloo a few years ago about the high concentration of cases in the I saw it on television yes. But when this outbreak if you will was investigated by people from the Centers for Disease Control it was clear that those who are being affected were those who were I.V.
drug users especially promiscuous people in their partners. It makes no sense that list would know to buy only those who are using drugs or being promiscuous and their partners are discriminating with you know exactly how it makes no sense. And furthermore if that were the case I'd expect that the cases of A's will be highest in those areas where mosquitoes are most rampant. Right and that doesn't work. Let's take a phone call go right ahead please you're on the air. Good evening. Hello. Yes go right ahead your question please. All right here are the symptoms. Oh very good. Now this is interesting. While there are no symptoms to just being infected with the AIDS virus. OK. That's why the virus is spreading through our society so much because people who don't know they're infected because they're not sick are sexually active or sharing drugs or whatever. But once your immune system and your central nervous system is being damaged by the AIDS virus then you'll start having symptoms. And that is bad bad fatigue you're so tired it's hard to get out of bed
fevers of 101 degrees or more that don't let up sometimes to get high or they last diarrhea that doesn't let up sometimes you go to the bathroom sometimes you don't. It's really bad stuff. It would be swelling of the lymph glands under your neck under your arms and your armpits and in the private area in your growing area. It could be bad bad skin rashes. It could be used infection in your mouth just like white cheesy stuff that gets around your guns or it could be a yeast infection in the vagina for women it could be bad weight loss of say 10 to 15 percent of your normal body weight so if you weigh a hundred and twenty pounds you would probably lose 10 to thank you 10 to 15. Again with 10 to 15 pounds within a month to two months. And then there could be bad pain in the chest constriction in the chest a bad cough or none of that stuff you know phlegm comes up and where to walk up a flight of stairs would wend you. There are also signs of various cancers and central nervous system disorders such as blurred vision absent mindedness coordination problems.
It's bad stuff. If you had any of these symptoms would you want to at least be with a doctor. Yeah. Why do you want to make a point on that. Yeah I'd like to emphasize though just like David has said you can't wait until you have symptoms to start to think about this disease. Right it takes a long time from the point you're infected with this virus until you get symptoms. And for those people who are not paying any attention to the kinds of sexual behavior they engage in they can effect several several dozens or maybe even hundreds of people. During those years before that if I simply ask you this never go to the tape I read something again in preparation that said that people who are like nurses doctors researchers are working around a bladder that's been contaminated with the virus if they prick themselves with the needle or whatever that they're even recommending now that sometimes they use AZT which is the only drug I believe that that's been approved to be used before the symptoms come on as a possibility of preventing or at least they're doing something. Is that true.
Well that's very very experimental that I have a research level. And the final results are and but there are some who are in fact conducting trials to see whether or not taken as if you've been exposed to a virus before and sometimes to see if it does any good in the preliminary data let's say that's a very. Positive sign of positive. R.J. I want to ask you some personal stories if you will. Let's go to the tape right now. We know we've heard time and time again it was said that about the blood being the primary source if you will with the body fluids of transmitting this virus. But let's talk about that because a lot of people are concerned about the blood bank. We have some video here now to give us more information on that let's see it right now. A. All right. Looks like they were not going to see that at this moment. Days on me ask you specifically after hearing David
give all the symptoms that were going on. Did it was that your case. Was it are you taking a ZT at this time and just help us to understand what it's like living with this this illness. I do take a seat now. As far as symptoms I want to do one thing I want to say these symptoms are symptoms of other infections a lot of opportunistic infections which mean something that you ordinarily have in your body or you know your body is able to fight off a hole there or whatever. Yeah mine and I hope I don't get mine or cause most people with age don't get my nickel they're getting assistance. Yeah you know we get a cut on I leg. It's a major problem. So it's all in adjusting to your situation now. Stand away for a while. A good distance from someone who has a backhoe or. Not doing a lot of things that you
ordinarily would be doing going up and down a flight of stairs I go up one flight of stairs I stay up there for a little while. I'm not going to hit a flight of stairs that I know I can sit up there for a while. Or if I have to come back are you are you are you feeling. I mean you look terrific. My eyes even without my glasses that. I don't want to look like you feel good. Do you feel good at this point are you in remission is that appropriate term to you. Yes it is. Well I feel good. I feel great right now as matter of fact two weeks ago you would say Oh God is dying you know. But you know if you take care of yourself listen to your doctor. Yeah to follow a certain. Just thank thank about what you're doing as far as what are you eating where you're taking what you're putting into your body what are you taking out of your body. Because this has a lot to do with it because if you already have a weakened immune system how much quicker is the virus going to attack you so get a lot of questions I have been going to try for this
videotape once again because as we talk about one of the other misconceptions that we have about the AIDS virus is that if you give blood. We've got to get a is what's clear this up. Anyone who received a blood transfusion between 1978 and early 1985 falls into a questionable period because the AIDS epidemic took hold during those seven years and the first cases of AIDS tainted transfusions began to show up. Doctors estimate that during that period four out of every 10000 blood donations carried the AIDS virus. If you received a transfusion during that time you should consult your doctor on whether or not you'll need to take the AIDS antibody test. Since the spring of 1985 there have been safeguards placed on America's blood supply. First of all blood donations are now tested immediately for the AIDS antibody blood which test positive is discarded. The second safeguard is called donor self deferral. People who want to give blood are first asked to read
material which delineates all of the ways in which people can be exposed to AIDS if potential donors feel they may be at risk. They're asked not to give blood. The Centers for Disease Control report that the blood supply is very safe. In fact doctors now insist that your chances of encountering AIDS tainted blood are less than 1 in 50000 and they offer advice on how to improve even those odds. If you're going into the hospital ask your doctor whether a transfusion will really be necessary if you'll be needing blood donated yourself. That way you'll know the blood you're receiving is completely safe. OK Doctor Any other comments about that I mean I know a lot of people who are really they say yes the blood bank is safe but. Well I think that part of this is being fueled by at least one report in the medical literature where someone gave blood and tested negative but later became positive. So that is a rare occurrence which can happen like all biological tests. There are those
kinds of problems that can occur but for the most part what was shown is absolutely true. I think that in the past some individuals who were in fact happened to have found out after going to donate blood because of blood was tested. They were contacted and they saw the two as going together giving blood and being told they were positive but it was really more the fact that the blood had been tested and then they were notified about it lain dormant for a number of years if you will let's say that I was tested today and I tested negative and I gave blood. And then six months from now I test positive. Is that a possibility most people after being exposed to the virus. If we were to do a blood test looking for antibody did a virus by six to eight weeks the test will be positive. Now there are exceptions and it can take longer in some individuals. And there's one report that goes over to 12 or 14 months I believe but we think that those exceptions for the most part six months six eight weeks rather years earlier test will become
positive. So I wouldn't like people to become alarmed. How are we trying to do today is to give people the facts and dispel myths and misconceptions. You want to make a point. We have a very nice discussion and I appreciate it. However there is I want to read that however there's a point that that has been missed so far and it's missed in a lot of programs that we're fighting a disease called. We're fighting a virus we're not fighting people. The people aspect of it's really missed and a lot of situations especially in the government and by that do you mean we discriminate against that we don't see it as a health issue where we see I'm confused because when you say that she we look at it as a health issue a civil rights issue a combination of both. Well as all the above but the most important thing is that we're talking about people who are infected with the virus. It's important to get information out and to let people know hey this is here. This is how it
can be stopped. We don't have a cure but we can stop it. That's very important for those people who don't have it. What about the people who do you know. We have to struggle daily because of AZT pays for over $8000. Some people have to pay it out of their pockets however. I'm fortunate I don't have to pad out my place is covered by insurance not insurance by right so security. I think 8. All right. Like I said when I was first diagnosed within the first 18 days of my diagnosis I lost my insurance my apartment my job I lost you know I became desolate in a matter of 18 days while I was in the hospital. And what about them in the long term effect I mean have you thought about that where you're going to go I mean it isn't at this point to be realistic. It doesn't look good. What have you done in terms of preparing yourself for I haven't talked about that work that well. You can talk about it but you can't work it through with someone else really you have to
do it in your own head to start off with and then you make your plans OK. Well I know I gotta live and I have to have a place to live. What are my options. Without a job some people go underground. I'm not going to tell anybody I have AIDS. I'm not going to let it out. Then you have a lot of people with AIDS are still working. A lot of employers don't know that they're working with aids aren't you you have to plot your course find out what your dualistic it sounds like what you're saying here. We've been saying about the antibodies and I'm the test of doctors talked about some can some can't. Again we have some video that we like to show right now hopefully again through animation and more information will be able to give you dispel some of the myths around this. The AIDS antibody test looks for signs of the HIV virus a positive test result means it is probably there a negative test result means it's probably not. Most scientists agree that the AIDS antibody test is accurate but not
perfect. It can be wrong. Here's how we have already seen how the body produces antibodies but when the AIDS virus gets into the blood it creates a different reaction. Unlike other diseases the antibodies do not kill the AIDS virus. They just act as markers to tell us the virus is there. The test looks for these antibodies not the virus itself. Even though a person may be infected with the virus it takes four to six weeks for the antibodies to show up. For some it may take up to six months or longer. And that's the problem with the test. It is possible for people who have been infected with the virus to test negative because their bodies have not yet produced antibodies. If you do test positive it is very important to understand that this does not necessarily mean you have AIDS. There are some people who have been infected for up to nine years and are still healthy. But a high percentage of those who do test positive will go on to develop full blown AIDS. Most experts believe at least 50 percent of those testing positive may get AIDS
or serious symptoms of the disease within seven years. All right we have a number of questions from people in a studio audience go right ahead please. I'd never have felt differently and never will feel differently. All I have isn't a disease just like someone with cancer or someone with a cold. You know it's just it has to affect me differently not you not anyone in here. I'm the one who have to make changes. But it's just a matter of living and wanting to live. I want to live. Yes. Ever been a time where they say that they want to kill me because they don't want to hurt everybody. They don't feel like losing their friends or their family.
Yeah. In fact a usually is a situation where. They are so over whelmed knowing that they have developed AIDS or been in fact with the virus that they don't see any way out. It's not so much they want to kill themselves because they don't want in fact someone else but they're so overwhelmed and the burden is so heavy that they would rather end it there than to go through the suffering. Some people albeit a small minority feel that way. And I guess I'd like to comment on that also because I've gone through that. I have said well I just want to die. Or I've had to accept Well I'm going to die. When I was first diagnosed all I knew was I have something that is terminal I didn't know was going to happen today or tomorrow or when but I have talked to talked about suicide. And to be honest with you it still way back here somewhere. Because when a person gets it they lose a lot of control in their life and the only thing that you really have the only control you really have
is sucking dad today. I can make sure that I died today. That's the only real control you really have to air and all the rest of it were gripping and trying to keep it. Yes. Don't you believe that there's still discrimination primarily in the health 26 in the hospitals. I mean I just where do say mothers that are caring children who have AIDS. I mean do they have anywhere to go. It's a great point yeah. You know on the teenage line we just completed a research project where do women who are infected with the AIDS virus were also pregnant go for help whether that help is an abortion or whether that help is to have her baby where she will receive financial assistance housing is a real problem. You're absolutely right in this. Women with AIDS are very much discriminated against. One thing along this line and all of our hearts being very moved by your talk James. Honest to God anybody who's infected with the AIDS virus no matter what the stage of
infection you young man young woman older person you have more friends and you know there are wonderful men and women of love and saves throughout the greater D.C. area who are right here for you. All you have to do is call up and say I'm infected with the AIDS virus or I'm scared that I am. I need to talk with someone. They're just gushing and support groups there are counselors there are clergy there are just good old John Q. Citizen Jane Q. Citizen there to help you in your need. Why you say that David I mean again remind you that the number for that information is going to be ongoing is 3 3 2 8 you can call that at any point in time and there are people there who could man the photos given your information. Again here in our studio our phone number is 3 6 3 6 5 5 5 7 or 8. If you want to join in the conversation right here in Studio 3 go to this young lady. Yes stand up please. I work at the top line and we get a lot of people calling me and are worried about what they did last night or
last month or whatever and they're scared about getting tested. They don't want to find out the results yet. I yeah yeah yeah. I just want to say you know you can go down you can go to a clinic it's anonymous it's usually free there's places all over D.C. and Maryland and you can go down and get tested and if even if you do test positive there's counseling available. It was easy. I mean you can do it and you should just find out right now so you're not going to be spreading this disease. But it's got to be a lot of the same light is like women tested themselves for breast cancer given you know it's so simple to do a monthly check to say whether or not there's a lot there. But the reality is oh my god. Suppose there is there is that fear. If I do have a lot there then what if I do go I get tested and it's positive then what stand up yes. I work with people who have AIDS and people being tested it's really important that people get counseling around the testing in Florida heartland out of Florida last year had from the blood bank accounts so you know it's really important people get counseling around on their
commercial you know how to get tested negative like you were saying but because you don't know what and even when you're donating blood you don't know what stage you have it. So what if some of these people and they say OK I'm strong enough I'm going to be tested and they come back with a negative test. But they are indeed positive and that probably for six months any problems and so whatever. So what do you do how do you deal with that. Yes Day is every Monday morning on the phone calls like this from God. My God you won't believe what I did Friday night and said Yes I would believe it. Yeah and it was a sexual adventure or it was you know something you know that was drug related and the guys are freaking out. Where can I go get tested is the question. We say whoa hold on we say to be very conservative and we are conservative Health Organization. You've got to wait at least four months
because it might take that long for your blood system to develop antibodies to the AIDS virus to register on this AIDS test. It's called the HIV. The name of the AIDS virus the HIV antibody test. So wait four months get tested get your results. And even if it comes up negative meaning that there are no signs of you being infected we suggest that you go back four months later to be retested just to be double sure. Isn't peace of mind worth everything. All right we're going to hold a lot of you don't have a Mike I know you got excited on anyone. During that period. David can you how you're going to go to a break in OK right back OK. It Washington organization that offers counseling for individuals what is life or parts of life in the south. Our loss of the self around people with AIDS. Be proactive on
issues surrounding services AIDS education advocacy and we want to be everywhere and its policy is discussed in name. We don't believe that those kinds of decisions can be made without direct than that of people living in the range of HIV are full blown AIDS or HIV infection. The second component is comprehensive AIDS education. We can speak from personal perspective of what it's like to live with and live with HIV infection. Well get as complete as condom distribution the appropriate video depending on the audience thorough and comprehensive AIDS education and medical model what the virus is how it acts on the body. And finally but not least I'm bored with social service and title. When people get sick if they lose their work they need housing. Whatever
happens and there's a long list and a complicated scenario are just things that can happen to you when you are really dying. You will need help so we are part of intake who are Social Security Medicare who stands a number of assistance programs for persons who have AIDS and followed by a little program ends tonight. No we don't refer to antibody test sites which are not anonymous. We have strong feelings about geology and that there ought to be counseling or some discussion with the end of the before and after the tests. Anyone interested in taking the AIDS antibiotic test. We like when we first into the clinic how the public how. The Southwest health center and the Whitman-Walker Clinic. In Washington.
We're giving you a lot of information this evening but it's important information and again that the number that we want you to remember is 3 3 to 8 that if there are any questions or comments or you just need some clarification just call that number. Some questions over here yes. You know. Everyone you got to come to my mike will be OK. As a possible everyone can carry the virus. If you're exposed to the virus the virus can infect you or I or anyone else. And like we said earlier you may have no symptoms at all. And we need to get rid of the idea that the virus only in fact a white man or I.V. drug use is in fact any of us. If we expose ourselves to the virus is that what you're trying to find out. Yes maybe she has the virus. You don't know by looking down at me that I'm like a Thai fried Mary is that what you.
Yes yes that's right. Let me just show you quickly that what you're saying right. OK we got a case of a gentleman who visited Washington from another city a few years ago came into the city and had affairs with a prostitute became a factor went back to his hometown and in fact his wife his wife eventually died of AIDS when he was still alive and feeling fine. But he was obviously a carrier. So yes you can carry the virus and not have the symptom not have any sin is that all. OK let me ask you as we talk about AIDS and sex and safe sex and condoms and all we haven't talked about it specifically in the I.V. drug users and the concept of giving a person needles or needles in bleach. Now there are some people who say if you give an I.V. user a clean needle are you promoting his bad habit of being a drug addict. Comments about that. That's promoting life because you don't know who that abuser sexual partner is and who that person's sexual partner
is and what you're going to have is you going to have this unclean needle going in somebody's arm. And if somebody is going to go and have sex with your next door neighbor and your next door neighbor and your child's going to get me chummy and next thing you know it's going to be in your family. I'm standing next to George Michael fear you know. We're. Going to have to leave. I was wondering if there were any sort of laws protecting its employees who have AIDS from like there are any laws protecting the employees. If your bill is women it again for them if an employer could fire someone just because they're here in the District of Columbia and in the state of Maryland. All of those who were infected with the AIDS virus and a whole bunch of other you know diseases other infections are covered under the anti-discrimination law concerning the handicapped. OK. Also there are specific anti-discrimination laws concerning HIV infection that are being introduced all around D.C. Virginia Maryland but I think D.C.
has the most what is considered the most liberal regarding that and the AIDS panel you should know the national panel I think the gentleman who headed the admiral Well Kaveh Watkins had said that's one area that needs to be really looked at. I come back to your middle me try for a phone call real quick to see about when we got the viewer out there great to have play's going to be you're on the air. Yes. OK. Well my first question. OK. Give you give all your questions. Handsome aid coming from Africa. OK OK OK.
OK OK let's go with your first question. AIDS in Africa. OK. Where did it start. More important than where it started is where is it going to stop. We can do something about that. The theory is that it may have started an offer. But that theory is now being discounted and I think that the last thing we need to do with a problem that is attacking the world is to start getting countries divided. Africans by outsiders are not splitting Africans talking about a global issue. The question about it being similar to malaria. That's a good question. Malaria yellow fever a lot of fevers are trying a lot of diseases rather infectious diseases are transmitted by mosquitoes and other organisms. It relates to what David said the malarial parasite for instance has half of its life
cycle it has to live in the musky it can only live half of it in me and the other half in the mosquito otherwise it doesn't continue to which is not the case with the fire not the case with days. He said also about a new drug that he had heard about and I don't know Doctor Well if you just thing is this you know every few days or weeks we hear of a new drug or a cure for AIDS. I would caution you to be very skeptical of those reports. Any group or a company that has produced a drug that will work is going to become so wealthy so quickly that the whole world will know and we have the example of things like 23 that was used in France and promoted in Iraq has been that sure which is just falling apart so I think it's safe to say that the present time the laws of the United States and FDA regulations are such as to ensure that we won't have a drug that comes in a fly by night kind of course that turns out to be more toxic than is helpful. All right this time this gentleman here. You know as a doctor I want to know how would you feel if this like on
television you made you feel that way. A very dangerous but how would you feel if a patient came to you with a you know with bleeding all over you. OK OK let me let me let me just say we're going to let really let this question take us out here if you will because I think it's so very important I want to thank everybody for participating on our show today and the audience you're just terrific but Doctor if you will just take a thought on that point. We follow certain precautions in working with patients who are infected in the hospital I see several patients in areas almost every day and in the days before we knew what precautions we should take we were seeing them. I think people have overreacted as to how infectious this problem as and I'm sad to say that there are not more black physicians and Hispanic physicians who are involved in this whole issue. And indeed we need more people of the minority community to become involved that has to be the last word. Thank you very much for.
This special program was presented in the public interest by the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company. We learned many important facts about AIDS and that it is a disease if left unchecked could threaten the well-being of our entire society. There is no cure or vaccine for AIDS yet but we do know how it is transmitted and how the virus attacks the body. With this knowledge we can take the proper steps to protect ourselves and those we love. And with knowledge we can better understand the tensions and tragedies the AIDS virus generates for people in different walks of life. All of us at Met Life hope that this series of AIDS programs will help bring that day closer. When this disease no longer threatens the lives of people anywhere. But no single effort can do the whole job. All of us need to commit our energies to defeating AIDS. If we can put aside our philosophical differences and
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