Radio Free Alcatraz; Radio Free Alcatraz 1969-12-31 and 1970-01-05
You know we're still trying to re-establish our contact with our transmitter on how to transfer this is not the first time we've had some difficulty. Maybe the difficulty with the generator getting started to get the transmission going. Think you've got the mountain Let's go to Amtrak to getting us a job. Well welcome to Radio Free outbreak of violence and we had a little difficulty with letter but it's all been taken care of. Tonight we have with us Mr. Burr now blind and this is Sue from rich South Dakota and also I believe your student at Berkeley writes Yes. How long have you been at Berkeley for to court and what are you majoring in social welfare. Why social welfare or like to help me in this much as possible. I figure this might be one with you in it.
Right you're from the Pine Ridge reservation you have lived there right. Yes. How long did you live there for about four years. All right how long ago did you leave. If you want to. You majoring in social welfare as I imagine then that part of this is because of what you saw on the reservation in finery. Yes. Now I heard it one time. PINE RIDGE I believe this was in the last part of the 50s where the poorest tribe. Of Indians in the United States I believe at the time they were $19 22 cents something like that per person. I've never been to Pine Ridge and to the Rosebud Reservation. My reservations to reservations in Nebraska and I know how conditions are there but our work opportunities to find rich people there and then work on a
reservation. What there's one thing I'd like to clear up and I was used to having people find out I'm Indian and he would tell me how lucky I was because I had the government take care of me. Somewhere along the line it believed that they used these fantastic checks with great amounts of money to just do with as I pleased. This isn't true is it. No on the resolution I know at home on our reservation the older people live on Social Security and Government commodities. That's my only live on the reservation to move people that the people who work for the welfare. Now didn't find Ridge also didn't the government set up new housing there several years back three or four years. Yes but most of them were set up for the people who work for the government because they could afford to pay for this. Well I was under the impression that this was set up for the benefit of the Indian people.
This was free housing for the people of the reservation. That's what they said but they still have to pay for it. It's like a gun factory in Montana. What do they charge for housing that with this this new housing some thing is from twenty to thirty thousand dollars. To buy the house. Yes what are we going to get that kind of money. That's about it in the end. I heard that there were several of the older people wouldn't move into the houses they didn't want to be shut up in a cage or something like. I'm not really familiar with it. All right then why did you leave the reservation. Well I thought coming here would be better than learning more about the white people the way than going back and help me in.
Well then basically if you're going to compete in a white man's Well you've got to learn the white man's way. Yeah yeah that's very true. All right not now on the Alcatraz. How long have you been on Alcatraz. Ever since the first landing. And how long do you plan on staying. Til they get it. Do you forsee. Do you think that the government will give it to us. Yes I do. With all the foreigner think we're in the I think they will get it. Right what is this Alcatraz the whole movement mean to you. What do you what possible opportunities do you see for us by having your rights. Well I think that then you should have and because of what the proposal stands for
and then in the in the and I think that Alcatraz is the thing they need. It's. Like has been said many times before that this is an opportunity for for us to unite and so that that is good. It's a matter of fact with this with our radio free Alcatraz thing here. We're going to be linking up. With Reza other with the reservations in the United States and also with the Indians in the urban areas so that we can work together because like right now we've got their all now we bring the people from the reservations and from the urban areas together. We put a point on the air and then we can start getting some work done.
All right this is what the end of a new decade and who spent 70 years now. But another five hours or half hours we spent all of this century kind of being ignored. Do you see a lot of hope for us in the 70s. Yes I do. Well I think. I should even ask that question because just by what we're doing here now this brings the shows that we have hope in that there are things that can't work or in the 70s that we've got a means to do. You're in the right it's been pushed around and this is the first time that they ever tried some for themselves. And I think this is good for them. It's a very good experience we're learning artwork to gather which we haven't had this experience in the past. I know a lot of people when this first happened a lot of people were
under the impression that it had a romantic meaning to them. They looked at it very romantically you know neat Indians going out camping on the island of Alcatraz and taking it over. Right. Take it away from the government. But what many of them fail to really realize is the fact that living on this island is just like living on the reservation as far as modern conveniences and the luxuries of life. How many Indians on your reservation on these thirty thousand dollar bill. Not very many. What type of work is there there there then except ranting and that only pays about $5 a day and that's just seasonal work right. Yes I know we had the same thing we could hire out as farm hands. There are too many ranches in the grass in that area that my reservation is but they would hire us as farm hands and we would work from sun up till sundown for
$6 a day and the new meal although they didn't take any tax deductions from it. But still you know 40 dollars at the end. Forty two dollars at the end of a seven day week or something like this. You know it's not much. Fred gets very hard to support a family on that kind of money. This this this happened with the Pine Ridge Reservation I believe feel about young Thomas White the guy that got sense to the death. That sense too. What is gas chambers off the coast. Electric chair sends to the electric chair for killing a man in a million million at a robbery and jewelry store wasn't it. Yes and while at the same time a white man and ex-governor son right kill an Indian with no witnesses around. The
jury deliberated what 90 minutes something like this and acquitted the white man and they turned around and another jury sentenced Thomas White to death. And I know that there's been quite a controversy over this about the double standards of justice for Indians and whites in South Dakota. It's been 20 years I think since the last person in the chair. Well I just read the other day that the governor of South Dakota when he commuted the death sentence to I guess Thomas White his status right now is life in prison without possibility of parole which strikes me as being a little bit unfair also. But I guess the governor had quite a hassle. He had people that were claiming he was pro Indian people that were claiming it was an Indian and you know I'd like to know what pro-Indian means
if you got a man on death row. You know you can label that because definitely I saw it. It seems to me that things aren't all kosher like in the land of the Black Hills. OK now also on this deal I heard that some of the Indians in South Dakota were trying to get together and were possibly discussing with holding leases from the white ranchers because a lot of Indian land is least two people two white people in South Dakota. And if the Indians would hold these leases that the the ranchers or whatever farmers will go bankrupt and they'll you know it's the small weapon but it's a weapon. And I think maybe if we did this on a larger scale we might get some of that respect. But now that we do it's just about time to sign off everyone out there.
I mentioned it last night and I'll mention it again that if there are any questions that you would like to ask us. Thing is we can't get in touch with you individually. We'd appreciate it if you would write to KPFA FM 22 or seven Shattuck Avenue in Berkeley California zip code 9 4 7 0 4 and we'll be glad to relay to answer any question that you may have. And in the future with our programming we're going to we will be getting into. Discussions with people from the California legal services of Indian legal entanglements in the state of California and we will be getting in touch with people from the reservation that from the urban areas we will be branching out into all these different fields that have quite a bit of really interesting information to hand out thats what we look forward
to in the 70s and also at the same time we will be have tried to get Indian poetry music on the air. Some of the old stories that's kind of our outlook for the 70s. So I'm going to wish everyone a Happy New Year and may it be better than the last. On behalf of the people of Alcatraz I like to wish you good night. Also this program what brought to you through the courtesy of civic networks. Have a Happy New Year and thank you John too down. That was our live broadcast direct from Alcatraz in San Francisco Bay. This is the Pacifica Radio Network. This is Pacifica Berkeley and this is the Pacifica network. Tonight's program from Alcatraz Radio Free Alcatraz will consist
of a news report from the island and then an interview with Douglas Remington a ute who has set up at the Alcatraz Alcatraz school on the island which is seeking accreditation right no radio free Alcatraz. Long. One man. In. Line and you've been in your lonely soul it's in and in song
that we've been reading. Good evening welcome to Indian land radio on Alcatraz Island this is John Del welcoming you on behalf of Indians of all tribes. And tonight we have with us Mr. Douglas Remington. And Lind. Now go. Well I just butchered Linda's last name. But they're working with the school that we have on the island and we're talking with them in a couple of minutes. First I'd like to bring out some information on the accident we had on the island Saturday evening. Yvonne Oaks Richard Oaks is oldest child. Now and herself quite seriously I believe she's on the serious list in the hospital in south San Francisco right now. And I heard some reports today on the radio editorials and things like this saying that the island is unsafe and that.
The I guess the government the GSA looking for an excuse to rip us off the island and this is what they're going to use. So I would like to say right now that it's unfortunate what happened to Yvonne. It was an accident. But she fell three stories onto a concrete floor. But it could have happened anywhere. It happened in an apartment building here and it could just as well it happened in downtown San Francisco or Los Angeles or New York City just because it did happen on the island. It was in the caretaker's apartment building. And I don't know exactly how it happened but she did. Over a stair railing I believe and I would like to make this point very clear that what happened here. Could very well have happened anywhere else. And so we're all hoping that Yvonne recovers very quickly and. Will give you more developments on this as they come into us. She is in the
hospital now and Richard and his wife are there with her. So now will we got that straightened out. Start talking with Douglas and Linda. Douglass would you give us a little imprint background information on what you are going to do with the school. Well currently our hopes to get it get the good credit it is a private school in the San Francisco School District. Where have we have a primary grades one through six and this is the area that we're concentrating on. We also have a pre-primary education program also in the same deal in that we have a primary school. So there you go.
As a private. We've had good sort of reaction from the public school people in Berkeley. I haven't talked with people and you know when yet but I plan to do it this week sometime if possible or next week. They recognize that a private school and we won't have any trouble with turned off or anything of that sort. We wanted to get accredited immediately so that in case of every bill agreement you know. They've agreed not to bother us. But they're not officially accredited. Are we still legally a private school and the children can go there without without being bothered by two doctors worried about is that you know
if they go back to other schools to go back to their public schools they might be put back aware of that and I don't want that to happen just because they're here no matter what grades are covered. And then they went through thick right now and we have about. Independence 20 30. And it's pretty rare evenly distributed the age group from an evenly divided male female our supplies holding up the. Rear. We have too much in others because we don't need Daniel. But
if we haven't a Daniel will have a big burning running we do we do need more material. We have we have the basic We we do need what types we have actionable for the regular. Academic part that the things that we learn in public school in any public school. Reading in arithmetic that sort of thing. And then we have the arts and crafts section and with a little Indian thing I guess you call it that. We have people who are willing to teach at Woodcraft and beadwork and leather and
the children and to do painting and to make their own. And because I think that none of the children in Athens if you've grown out of their cotton and we want to teach dancing and singing. And we eventually want to have a dance group that would go around to the public schools in Oakland and salmon is going Berkeley. And talk to kids. I mean you know if if going to talking to a fifth grader about being an Indian you know that of course in the future. But we do all kinds of material for the craft section right now. Leather and leather working tools and wood carving tools would be we believe they're not really look at about three or four left. Or you know we can make our own
if we have only a few would we really need another We've got a lot of crap going on and people but we need larger people. Now we can make have been nothing and we could use their. Lives don't make it. You know we do. We do need more volunteer teachers but an internal thing here on the island. People want to work with the children because we want them to have individual attention. Each of the children I don't like working with I don't like to make the situation to just talk to one child and work for 30 or 40 minutes
reading or whatever and I've never even went with more than one child. I have been able to keep it down so that you know each one gets individual tutoring. You know there aren't any any great brother we are of a material sort of Afghan public school. Just about the math and their reading from the California public school. Just do what you know we have children that are higher than than them that are far beyond what we don't want to feel. Some of them the ones that are behind in their work. You
know about reading out loud or are embarrassed when any other children are going to them because they're getting being online and having to read in a fifth grader instead of the sixth grader but if they get individual attention it really doesn't matter. And if you think you're with their tutor and they know that they are making progress in their work they don't mind. Yes. I think the kids are they wouldn't leave today. I had five in there and thought they were then told about four o'clock and they'd been in the morning. I won't go until the kids are ready to go but they started getting hungry. Yeah that's when I would have. Night Before.
Well when I was getting from my doctors. And you came you left there. I mean you're right I read about it in the European edition of times. I thought why not I had two years of peace and it was a very good time to get a little bit of myself. I enjoy doing I think that when I went to school and I was very fortunate to go to school I thought so consequently I feel that I owe a great deal to Indians and people well it's just a chance. I mean you know this is a good way. The shows are getting very serious.
People think that I could do this. You know I could have said to them that the ice is a rock but trust me it doesn't symbolize some of the ways people like to people people security anybody were to do it over to its name it up that's what it is. People really are and well let's just wrap. So I'd like to thank you for inviting us. We'll talk again. Like I said earlier program far as we know right still and serious which I don't know if he was a recently a Marine in the transfer transfer. But anyway the issue is we find out
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- This audio tape contains two episodes of the series of news reports on the Indians of All Tribes occupation of Alcatraz Island in San Francisco. This occupation is often considered the beginning of the Red Power movement, a movement by American Indians for self-determination, sovereignty, and better reservation conditions during the late 1960s and early 1970s. The Indians of All Tribes occupied the island for nineteen months from November 20, 1969 to June 11, 1971, to establish a community and to protest the government's treatment of native peoples. Proclaiming, "We, the native Americans, reclaim the land known as Alcatraz Island in the name of all American Indians by right of discovery...we will purchase said Alcatraz Island for twenty-four dollars ($24) in glass beads and red cloth, a precedent set by the white man's purchase of a similar island about 300 years ago," the occupation brought national attention to past and contemporary injustices. Episode BB5457.03, recorded and broadcast on December 31st, 196
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