Mrs. Georgia Jackson; The death of George Jackson

Two of them left me in and imitated a Southern footballers to me. They don't care who dies so long as they keep control of that prison and the money that comes into it is money that's the only thing it is. Like everything else in America. You were talking earlier about the possibilities of your son having a gun when he left the cell can talk about that. I don't see how you could possibly get out of the cell with a gun when you searched by the time he steps out they search him for example watched it many times myself. They search him no matter who's visited him no matter how many visitors he has they search him. After each visit. Put the curves and chains on him and take him back. Make you go out and then bring him back in for the next visitor. After that visitor leaves they do the same thing. There is no way possible for him to have a gun on him about them find him it is impossible. Do you have any idea at all about the chronology of events yesterday. You've been able to find out

anything. Only thing I know is what I heard on the radio. I haven't even been informed that he was there to officially they don't see fit to do that they don't consider me worth it. How do you think the other prisoners died. I don't know how. The reason is I want to go because it seems farfetched to me the way they tell it they tell it differently every time. They don't stick to no one story is always changing. And when you go back the next time they'll have a different story to tell you. When did you first contact the prison and what did they say to you last night. I called them last night several times trying to get some information but I was told they didn't want to talk to me. And that I couldn't have his body until they were finished with it. And I couldn't have his personal possessions until they were finished with

those. And I don't see why they need his personal possessions. His papers and his writings and he says anything that he has in there belongs to me. Have they now given you any indication of when you're going to be able to get his body and get his personal possessions. Mr. Thomas called a few minutes ago and said that he could come that I could come now. I guess they gave him an autopsy to see that they shot him. You know that I thought an autopsy was far when you didn't know the cause of death then know the cause of his death because they shot him. Now why did they have to give the money. In their Limbaugh me and make him and make us pay for. Cincy. To in fact call him. Getting called out to him he

was bailed out if you hear the radio. And heard it on the radio. He was sitting at home with your husband. Have a home with my daughter turn the radio on and that's what we heard on Channel. I don't know. CBS I think it was. You pretty straight up here in your house when the still in L.A. right. Then I came up here to see what was going on but nobody will tell me anything there she said. We refuse anything I want to know what you said. Parks said he didn't want to talk to me. He didn't want to see me. You know that what I write asking him because I thought he was the one in authority and he's the one that should know what happened. I ask other people who answered the phone and they wouldn't talk either. The law firm you saw George was on the first day right. Oh no. Thursday we will be there. What did he say to you. He was all right except he was feared for his life. What did he actually say is they're trying to kill him.

What. What indications specific indications did he have that they were trying to kill him. The guards passed by his door and make threats. The guard passed by his door and told me I only had two weeks to live. And they minute it was two weeks exactly almost. This was no this thought I mean Shawn was than two weeks ago. It was a week ago this past Thursday. How did you spend with him. About an hour. A little less. Well he's very worried about this. Threats to kill him was not the main subject of your conversation. Oh yeah I know what you mean to a guard up there and told me that he was one person that he could say that was a good person because he kept him alive. He said you can think this man pretty even your son alive as long as he's been alive because he helps me but I can't remember the man's name.

What do you plan to do now. Mr. Jackson. All right you say that you don't want that. What do you on the some of the Defense Committee plans to do. I plan to try to let the public know that they're lying and that this is not the first black man that they've killed up there and swept it under the rug they've been doing it ever since they had the prison. And getting away with it. Just because they're black and nobody cares. Well I care about my son. And I care about the other people who were killed also. I know that those people are grieving for their people just like I am for mine. I think that people should get together and find out what really goes on in these prisons and stop taking their word for it all the time because these people are in a position they have jobs that they want to keep and they lie about anything. They'll try to frame anybody

in order to keep their jobs. You know visiting from I think visited Georgia yesterday I guess who it was and they wouldn't tell me. They pretended they didn't know. And I know better than that because you have to sign your name at the at the main entrance. I always have to sign my name. And then when you go in they write your name down also in the waiting room desk. One thing we heard was that it might be in a term might have been an attorney. I don't know who it was because they wouldn't tell me anything. They didn't tell me anything at all. I'm thinking of events. I mean you know the president saying one way and you're suggesting another way what you're saying is that you think the only way it could have happened was that they they just went into a cell and shot him and then took his handcuffs off and threw him out into the yard before they've killed people even more than that before. What you're suggesting here you think might have happened something like that. That's what I think happened.

Couldn't do it we know but could you fire a gun if your hands were chained together. And could you run if you had chains on your legs that's the way he walks outside of the sale. He doesn't get out of the sale and come down there without chains on. And he couldn't possibly run with them. So they had to take him off. They're fixed up another good lie until it'll be altogether different the next time you talk to him. They are partying like they found out new evidence. That goes on all of the time. I didn't hear your earlier version what what you believe happened. They shot him and threw him in the yard and photographed him. Did they let any of you people go back there and look now. Well who took the photograph of him on the yard that they sent to the papers all over the United States. I was in a helicopter as I understand a shot from a helicopter and then they proceeded to send it all around. To show what they do to niggers when they get smart. Is that it. Was Jackson what do you plan to do now.

I don't know what I'm going to do but I know one thing I'm not going to let them smear him kill him and cover it up and sweep it on the road I'm not going to let him get away with that. Some kind of commission people commission the kind they want to expand on not at all. With any of the different committees. Yeah it's been suggested. By several prominent citizens that. An independent peoples committee be formed to investigate and attempt to discover the truth of the of the facts of the situation. At this point a meeting is currently being arranged. Of. Community peoples to discuss this idea and to prepare a demand to be made upon the Governor of this state for say a commission to be appointed. What committee people evolve every means open. To you. I mean well. You know I'm a lawyer with the Friends Committee or Tim Jackson at this point.

I mean. As an attorney if you made any attempts to get into the prison. Yes I went with Mr. Jackson this. This is Jackson this morning to get out of the prison and secure the release of the personal effects of George. And. We had all the law on our side as usual. But they absolutely refused to even give us the courtesy of speaking to us. They refused his mother in her grief of any any modicum of decency. We met was a still hard Coalgate. From what I hear from Iran to be right. I don't think a people's committee will get anywhere saying Cohen. So anywhere else because they usually do their dirty and covered up very well. And for as the government's concerned a guard at San Quentin told me last night if I wanted to know anything about my son being murdered I could call Reagan and ask him.

He could give me the information. So I don't know you know at this point. If this is what happened to your family still have the you know of the three guys and two other inmates killed. Does anyone have any idea about how that happened. No I don't have any idea how that happened but I know one thing my son doesn't it didn't have four arms and forward legs he couldn't kill all those people and run all at the same time. I know that. OK. Anybody have any any other questions. Destruction. Sorry I arrive late. Could you just give your reaction to the whole violent incident. My reaction is that the prisoners. Are just they're treated just like they're not human. They were always treated like

that because the guards themselves they only treat them like animals that's not me saying that that's them saying that. They treat them like they're animals. They have no human consideration form at all. And if a man doesn't drag a speeding bow is a had considered in corrigible and can't be helped. You really have to be an Uncle Tom dragon who will in order to get out of prison or else inform on somebody else or law on somebody else. That's the only way you ever get out of a prison in California. Unfortunately I didn't have the CIA to risk you here I'm in a helicopter. Maybe I should have had them. Be there with a visit to George 34 last. Week to talk about them. We talked about a lot of things. We always talk about a lot of things we room an incident

and try to think of the future which we both knew that neither one of us. You're never quite gave up faith in the system as much as he said he did. People only thought that the people would be good. Would come around and force these people to do justice once in their life. He thought that maybe he does know how fickle people are. Do people only latch on to the late ladies happened if he hadn't been killed yesterday. Nobody would even be in this office. We've been begging people to come around here for two months. Nobody will come. They all have some kind of little petty grievance that they have to take out on each other. This is the biggest crowd has ever been in years. They don't like people don't like you when you're honest and straight forward you have to be a crook for people to like you. That's a reason why nobody come around when the crookedness went out the situation people quit coming.

There are some other people in the room who just walk in and see if any of them would like to make a statement. This is Jackson is there anything else you'd like to say. Yes I'd like to say that the prison officials will never admit when they're wrong. I talk to Warren Parks about two weeks ago. And he admitted to me he was wrong but he wouldn't admit it to his guards. He tried to frame us into saying that we made our kids carry toy guns in the prison. And I asked him Did I look like that I was that imbecilic to him that I would want my kid to carry a toy gun and hide it. I said What do you think we could do with a toy gun. Well nothing really but you know attempts have been made. I said not with a toy gun. I said nobody is THAT stupid. As that anyway do you think I'm so stupid that that I wouldn't know that something medal would go up in the detector. You see the thought

thing is that they don't think that anybody that's Black has the brains they'll click and my son has been in prison for 10 or 11 years. I have never once since I've gone to that prison carried myself with disrespect with those people. And I expect to be treated the way I carry myself by everybody. Now if I had been if I had been going there that long and never attempt anything why would I be doing it now. You see the things that they say and do don't make any sense at all. That's because they have all the authority and all the power they think they can get away with anything. This is one black man they're not going to murder and sweep under the road unless they murder me too. Thank you Mr. Jackson. Committee who who would like to say anything. We are the defense committee the solid defense committee consist of me

my daughter and Derek Maxwell and a few other people who are here. As I said before when you try to do things right people run there's nobody in America likes right. They all like dirt. OK so what did you come up from Los Angeles to where you are you know. He's there anything you'd like to say. You know. This is why the radio is there anyone from the Defense Committee anybody else who would like to make a statement. It's comedians here. Except my mother and I. Right now. OK. A number of other media have just walked into the room and TV cameras apparently but they're about to do an interview I'm sure which will probably.

Duplicate duplicate some of what's just been done. If there's I'm listening to a portable radio there's anyone back at the station. Do you want to indicate back at the station what you want to do. Well there. Doesn't seem to be anyone there right now so we'll continue with Mrs. Jackson as she's interviewed her care on TV. Say that. You know that's the implication that he committed suicide. You know I'm sure you do and I haven't heard anything. You see they don't think that they can tell me anything. I've called out their all last night I went out there this morning but I was told that they didn't want to see me they didn't want to talk to me. Last night a guard told me if I wanted to know what happened to my son I asked Ronald Reagan.

He would tell me do you have any idea then what happened in the adjustment. I don't have any idea the only thing I know is what they tell the reporters. They don't tell me anything. They didn't even tell me he was dead. I have found that out on the radio from what they do say they say that George ran for the gate with a gun in his hand. That sounds a lot like things. Where would you get a gun. That's my question why would he get a gun and why would he run at the gate. Where would you get a gun and why would he run to the gate where you knew you couldn't get out. They're trying to say he was crazy is that what they're thinking why don't they say they killed him and threw him in the yard. That's what I believe. I believe they killed him and threw him in the yard. You're the reason.

I know one thing I feel sorry for them too. I feel sorry for anybody who loses their life because when it comes down to it no matter how much money you have the only thing you really have is your life. I have something to say about that. Just just something brief. The way I think that it happened was that as soon as he stepped out into the open there was a guard. Like when W. L. Nolan was killed in solidarity last year I believe that. The guard from the tower they say he was 60 to 75 feet you know yards yards and haven't lived there that we know we did know they killed him and threw him in the yard. That's what they did. Yeah how do you get a step in the yard. He doesn't get to step in anywhere without somebody whipping Well that's what I mean. They've missed the Guard you know that they miss their memory they just they are you know in the dark with him not going to lie. They make us sit there three and a half hours in the room telling us if you can't come without an escort. So why would he be anywhere without one.

He will have the escort. He had the escort I believe that the guard armed like the one when they killed double Nolan was a marksman. And when he stepped out or he might have even been pushed out by the guard. You see pushed into the open by the guard. Brought to the door and shoved. Something like that. You see. And then they killed him that way. What do you think happened with the other three guards or with the three guards were killed. We don't know what I mean are you people we don't know what was going on in the prison we don't ever know what goes on in the prison that they didn't even call me and telling me he was dead. So how would we know. But I do know that he has sense enough not to run for a place that he couldn't get out. He wasn't crazy. And that doesn't all make sense. I don't have to say is that I accidentally shot him and get away with it they don't have to make up all these fantastic lies. They have the power they have the authority to do what they want to do. Now they don't need to make up fantastic

lies. They could just say he was accidentally killed and it would be nothing done like there would be nothing done now we know that. We used to being treated like that is not new. We treated like there from the time we were blown. Nobody cares and I can't help it hurts people's feelings it's the truth. You think of me like I was a marksman waiting there when he was in the shower anybody who has jobs like that are marksman. No make no big thing about them being marksman. They have a place right over there about a quarter of a mile away where they practice every day. Why wouldn't they be a marksman. You see that's the whole point. They make a big if it's as if they see a black man with a gun. That's that's what you don't understand we're not supposed to own guns. We don't teach our children to shoot when they're 5 and 6. My son my little grandson belong to a club in school. Every white kid in that club could shoot and hit targets but he couldn't. He was a little black boy he had been

trying to use a gun. You see what I mean. There's no need to whitewash in the stuff as time people came out and told the truth about it and I am tired of the people at the prison trying to hang some kind of dirty rap on me because I've always carried myself with dignity that prison and been treated like adults. Every time I went up there you go to something their turn they head off like this and I answer you won't even look at you to talk to you. Things like that are wrong. How long can people put up with these things. I've read the same here bear and Dragon has a compound as a crime as that not a car an old man 70 years old with no home and nothing else. He's better off and he died like that. But I want them exposed. I want these people in the prison to expose. Because this time they were exposed. Josh you've lost two sons under violent circumstances with the guard said to me last night we killed one of your sons last year we got another one this year. You pretty soon won't have any sons

left and laugh or tell you that plan quit now on the phone last night. What is your reaction to. Yesterday's tragedy. I think it's the same thing goes on in the prisons day in and day out. It's not new. It just happened to be my son this time instead of some other black woman or some other white woman that they want to kill. You blame anybody for what happened to your sorry. I blame the prison. I blame the people who ripped run the prison I bring the governor the state and the governor of the United States government I blame them all because they have the power to change these things and don't want to. Can't you understand they don't want a change of their word is that a gun was smuggled in here soccerball impossible. Everybody is searched when they go into prison. Anybody that's a prisoner tell you that everybody is searched they make no exceptions. One park will tell you that himself. He told me that you probably don't believe that you know I don't believe your son had a gun as a buncha lies. You believe there

was a gun involved. I don't know where the gun involved or not but I know he didn't have one when B no way possible for him to have this surgery every time anybody visits him. No exceptions they do it every time. If you don't believe that your son would try to attempt scared better sense than try to Xscape out of saying when he wasn't crazy. He knew that he couldn't excavate out of San Quentin with one hand gun. They're trying to say he was crazy demented and wanted to commit suicide they're lying and. They set up his murder just like they do everybody else that speaks out against them and they'll probably do me the same way because I am going to speak every chance I get. These people have the power to do right. Why don't they do right. There's a man I'm not saying I'm a racist. I don't hate all white people. Ramsey Clark wrote a book. They could take a lot of the good suggestions out of his book but they don't want to do right. They just absolutely don't want to. And I

can imagine when the American public is going to wake up to the fact that the people who own and run this country don't want to do right. They know they have everybody in this country afraid of them. People don't love this country so much they are frightened what their own country will do to them. That's the reason why they don't say anything. They're afraid. Of you. OK. This is Johnson is embracing mother Sharon for me Black Caucus who has just arrived. And she was just interviewed by a gentleman from Channel 7. She is his I believe. About to sing about it before the push is about to leave.

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