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Welcome to the Warm Springs program. This production of Kay WSO radio focuses on matters involving culture and education. Every year at the end of June the confederated tribes of Warm Springs celebrate the preemption treaty days. This program will talk to some of the local Warm Springs members who do participate in the Powell field. We will find out about the difference in songs from old to new jingle dance came to Warm Springs the making of a person's outfit and certain traditions that are still carried out today from years ago. There he and me honest tell us about the methods of singing. Could you tell me what is the difference between the old songs that are sung and the new ones of today. You have to think about that.
The new songs to us might be new because the people that sing those songs are from my mother. Try a different area of this country. And their method of singing their manner of singing is much different from ours. They have the. Word songs for war dancing are fancy dancing whatever you want to call it. And our songs to us are old. Our local songs because those are the songs that we have sung all these years. Even though it might have come from another area we have adapted them for our own. What do you call what our rendition of a song. Maybe we changed it a little bit. But
to me those types of songs are more in unison with drumming. What do you like to call single patient. What are some of the word songs that are drummers sing that are from my mother reservation. The words Oh I don't know. It's hard to keep in time when I am. Maybe others have become so accustomed to it that when I am so I don't know whether to keep time with the song or with the drum. They're beautiful they're beautiful songs. There's nothing wrong with them it's just that I'm just from the old school and I prefer our own local songs which are beautiful too. How has the songs changed over the years.
Well like I see it what we have come to think of is the name drum that are well known throughout the country throughout Indian country have their songs and a lot of our young people have taken to those songs and they sing those a lot. They're much faster. Temple of them. Then our songs close our I believe. Anyway it's just my own opinion the songs that we sang or were truly what we call war dance songs and had a very spiritual meaning to them because our men danced to the songs.
Well for generations back and they danced. Believe there was like a prayer involved with the dancing. And read joy sing. Perhaps they returned from battle. Or perhaps they had gone big. So what do we call to be a ceremonial. And they would prepare for this. Type of thing by praying dancing. Kind of psyching themselves out for a successful hum and I hear them saying asking today what song which song shall we sing. What song are we going to sing what song are we going to sing. And it began to happen in our own particular drumming group
dry creek. And so I listened to the boys and I said Never mind what song we're going to sing. Just lead off and we'll pick you up. You know what songs were you seeing. And yet leak shy will pick you up. For people that don't know what it means to us what would you give them a definition to the meaning of. What. Oh my goodness. You go way back to me. White House has always been there it's been a way of cleansing our bodies and the songs and the prayers we cleanse our heart and our minds as well. I don't know. I know there are a lot of people who have never entered a sweat house.
But I mean it's just something that's always been there for me. It's very a cleansing soothing calming effect. There just is nothing so clean as getting into this with the House and claiming that what we call loyal only for your body and you just come away from there feeling good feeling to be spiritually full field. If you're the praying type of person and it just gives you an all around good feeling you sleep well he'll get a good rest after having had a sweat. That was Mary and me and us are the two roan tells us when the jingle dance was
introduced to the Warm Springs reservation. Back in 98 in the 70s I guess is the first time I saw jingle dancers in our area they came up to. He put the huckleberry festival we held there the need was in a contest dance in the time a noice war dance and social allies in together with war dancin and we call it war dancing but it consisted of many other kind of dances and we had some visitors coming in from Ontario Canada and they were jingle dancers and they danced. Very different compared to the competition dancing that's going on now with the jingle dance I was told before that. Years ago the women didn't participate. Yes that's right women were never allowed to participate years ago for the simple reason in. We followed always followed the
creation where mail was born made first and then the woman taken from the man's rib. And so we kind of fell in that kind of a line up you know US wars being women we always were on the sidelines. But as far as I can remember we had a long house here the old one and we used to just power then it was and contest dancin. And I remember us ladies we had to sit on the sidelines up intel middle 50s was when I remember we were allowed to dance in how this came about was other people ventured out. Some of the leaders ventured out to other areas and when they seen the women participating. And then they came back and did some adjusting here and we were allowed to dance along with the men during the war dancing and I just don't really remember how it took place you know. All I
remember is just getting to get out there and dance with the men. And we didn't have I don't remember any ceremony that we did to do this in. It's really odd because as Indians we always did special ceremonies to go to parties to change something in our culture are either our tradition or custom here. Do you have a favorite dance social dance we do here. Oh yes we I I don't know whether I have a favorite one I guess. The one I still like to do mostly west like a take and it's a fast dance. You kick up your feet backwards pretty fast move forward and backwards. I love to do that I always did love to do something lively. It even is a traditional dance I dance pretty lively you know adventurous a traditional dancer say.
They're working on outfits and they make what they want to wear my whole outfit so black and white. Joe talked to it's a traditional men's dancer he explains the difference between traditional and fancy. Each piece I made I made to her right next to that and the way it ended and now together and he's leaving me cut away to the outfit like you were just showing that my hater Farah buckskin buckskin ribbon so black and white you know that my shaps. Yeah but I never got my belt
made and designed it so that the buffalo skull was half black and white are the way through which is around half black half white and half black and half white I would try to match my arm bands. I know that my cuffs and breastplate. Took my marks and to know that there were two sets of barrels and ones that do have sin in the square card I was in and no holes or times though. Additionally most of traditional power eagle feather and fancies are not I don't have eagle feathers and I don't wear imitation and they got a ribbon I knew where to set for I knew back in when you know needed to own one. When a person starts dance in a joint sometimes they don't have to
pass through you know for to get it to dance it's the way I started out I didn't have very much for the outfit that had a ribbon sure the belt had her chaps and bustling who say they know nothing about making outfits then there was his for years going for years I hope to making you know dress girls fancy boys grass. Traditional maker of those now wanted to know I haven't made his and women's traditional outfit. That's one thing I have never made that bed you're no less for I miss her but for my family you know to be where I meet all my kids is out it's my boy you know boys 5 it's going to grasp that no girl I usually get about five outfits I made for her.
She's gay when Juno Jason and my three fancy aphids. The art of making an outfit to dance and is an old one. Tribal peoples have been working with materials a deer hide sinew beads and shells for years. Roberta Kirk is the curator for the museum at Warm Springs. Sue Ryan spoke with her about a tribal regalia in the collection and some of its history. Regalia includes a lot of different areas here and we have quite a few examples here and at the museum we try
to gather regalia and clothing from the three tribes and Warm Springs Wasco the Paiutes that entails a lot of different different styles. We mostly have Warm Springs and Wasco clothing. And we've been advertising for different types of clothing like Piutes and Wasco dresses but we haven't been getting a very big response and we haven't and we've only had a couple of dresses come in that were Wasco. But anyway as far as regalia I guess that would entail the Moxon's for the men in leggings and breech cloth a shirt or vest and it depends on. What type of pattern that they want. Be it if it's floral or geometrical
and sometimes they have pictures beaded on them and. And for the women we have we have quite a few buckskin dresses and shell dresses and the women's hats public because we have the corn has cats and the beaded hads and oh we have the otter furs the next size and just the a lot of wampum. We have we have quite a few pieces of wampum here. We have them. The feathers we had the bustles and the for the men and and the men's and women's Eagle fans we just I think if you name it we have it here. If someone were to get dressed first celebration say a hundred years ago I mean I'm taking a guess here because I don't know what the dates are for the regalia the museum has in its collection but if
someone were to take and get dressed for a celebration a hundred years ago versus today what would be the main difference in how styles have changed. I think that a long time ago that when the another when the women did a buckskin justice and they did lace stitch there strands were really really long. VS today when you do that the lacy stitch They're real they're kind of narrow and they're not as wide as they used to be and that's one big difference. And then. And the old style was that when needed and when he had a pattern that he did contour beating you beat it all the way around that pattern versus today when you you you beat around that pattern but you go in straight lines and that's another difference and so mirrors are pretty popular we we're still there we still use them now but they are kind of hard to find.
So I don't know if you would say that that's a mark because there are still popular people are still using them sometimes at a spiritual level too for protection too. People keep anybody's bad thoughts off if you remember the radio you have in the collection here at the museum. Always there are things that you just don't see today that you would have seen in costumes back then. No I don't I don't really think so. I don't think I think that that the things that we have in our collection are pretty representative of what's still out there. What's still being used right now. I don't think that there's that there's. That it's that different that because our our culture and our our styles are pretty much the same. You don't wander off too much
from the from the original way we did. Dobbs quite a few things we did borrow from other tribes but we made it into our own. You know I've heard that they have them saying can you tell when you have art when you have items come into the museum. If they belong to certain families just by the way they're me. Yeah they can. We acquired a large collection from the Dells. It was Brian Stover collection his father read Stovall on the trading post over in the Dow Jones and they had bought quite a few things from from. Indeed people that lived around the Dells and. And I brought that collection back and showed the elders here a few of them and they were able to recognize some of the work and them a lot of nice
things came out of there. And we got a hundred and sixty nine artifacts and that's about. Seven are or eight Huckleberry baskets. That's when buckskin dress and man's buckskin shirt that's beaded and the leggings the breech cloth and we've been asking for a man's buckskin shirt for I don't know how long and we finally got one and we got it without paying anything. That was that was a spectacular you know a lot of people are donating things back to the museum now partly because of the repatriation and that Act the law. And partly because of their own personal feelings that they think that what they have at home doesn't really belong to them that it should go back to its rightful owners.
During a recent red thunder performance imagist Joe talked to dance during the recent closure culture celebration in Madras. Joe talked up performed a powerful version of the eagle dance. I asked him how he became involved with his dance style. And sentiment something like my second year doing it now I never used to know. How do you go dancing Simonis dance group was really tremens and we got to dance for me then 0 0 over and then we started just vanish who knows maybe it was the needle dance and I said Just watch. Syria asked me if I'd like to try it. So I tried it and I had had more movement and then add to that more action and then my voice so I've been stuck with it since and I thought I did about in it because my knees just miss were in my mind I got from est
I to go its natural resources and application and I had to have it I was saying that this show my purpose for dad already gone from the stage and I had to to use it for I couldn't sell it if I had to use it for my own purposes. So the person Michel same application that's an interstate that goes Ashland and took me in two and a half years to where to get it. Miss him a golden eagle. Now you had two years out of protection from that. No waste in the state finite I sold some of the feathers or wasted it they'd come and confiscate the whole thing from me that is losing. I asked Grant when Henniker to explain how does one earn an eagle feather.
I just here's an example. During my term in the service. It isn't fair there's. Earned by the way or are you know their hero. Had taken a troll fish from the enemy. Whatever it was their weapon. There aren't enough rather in some cases some of the tribes earned their causes but taken no scalp. But in my case it's now as uncivilized or taken as I sort of dawn I have been dropping bombs on the enemy. One instance we took so long as the whole rest of the Chinese Koreans during the Korean War had to entitle me to a
horrible on a traitor. It's one way over and offenders I guess maybe they want a way of earning their father and sometimes my declaration for someone. What came of having individual. Whenever he turned a father to right and right to wear a feather you know. So there is. We have made good terms with a little feather. And it's a symbol of American and also the United States government. We're yeah we're home and you go further in many Where is your Father in my duty it's part of the sacred
part of our lives you know when it dropped on the floor for any reason someone has to pick it up. And in all cases someone who has lived through. Some accident or war time. Service is no terms I have been called to prick up to your president many places all over this country and up in Canada. So go to further. Here's an explanation by a host of master of ceremonies or by the chief has a try. He will ask me to put up with as of because of why.
Service is a matter of. Living through all wartime conditions. It's an honor. To take up such a father. I would the street kukri we nap to go perfect you know I know which to me. Come on week keep me I describe to me my mind and I would to you in nine states. Good does not mean in my code but. Why Nietzsche treaty days good s to equal and we are now we plan. I would as well. No update on which the current queen. Good as the price. When a cheap price. Come on. An hour shakes. When I go into my
current queen for my knee queen Queen my pout no Keita upon my back and another one to annoy. And I'll pay you the money. Treaties not meow meow I stuck on Queen from Monarch quatrain ha. Meanwhile we're not going to play queen Queen. One can clean a while and I push from a snark quite a knee an hour to an hour came for two and damaged us to unwatched not cost. Good going in there. Tut tut. I mean no sock. One can queen can clean the dust and are from such a cuckoo
clock on which an ox to taste touch each on the treaty days now. But my shack on Queen child for much of the corny four mile walk from now in the bomb went numb. And that's my gun. Our anniversary. And it's our twenty fifth anniversary of our treaty days and we are very happy and we are happy to have you here. It makes us happy that you can come and we can all have a good time together in celebrating this anniversary. Whether your dance drama or just enjoy the sights and sounds. Join in the 25th celebration of the Treaty of 1855. Thanks to Grantley Anika Mariam E.A. our Lita roan Jo
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This episode of the Warm Springs Program discusses the evolution of tribal traditions, namely: songs, dances, and outfits. The episode includes interviews with various tribal members, who discuss the differences between old and new traditions, as well as their own experiences with these subjects.
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