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Long Hot Summer 64 the first in a series of weekly programs focusing on the summer civil rights struggle. Tonight a long hot summer 64 focuses on the recent racial demonstrations and violence in St. Augustine Florida in which a few Boston people have been beaten and jailed. Later in the program we will have reports of Bill England and Eugene Dawson both chaplains at Boston University. First WGBH FM reporter Ted mascot in a telephone conversation recorded this afternoon talks with the Reverend C.T. Vivian director of affiliates for Dr. Martin Luther King's SDLC and comments on the arrest of Dr. King in St. Augustine this afternoon. We appreciate your report and your Doctor King was arrested today and want to get details on that right here actually right. But I had been observing it documented prior you know not much credit. I got to work arrested at the munch
restaurant there. Yes that's right. He had gone to requests to eat and they held him up for some time. And the crowd formed around not just of newsmen and people that were antagonistic crowd and we observed it and the rice krispie waited half an hour or so. I get outside the outside three months in a doorway awaiting the opportunity to be there. And they refused him and then arrested. Can you tell me who else was in the party with Dr. King. Yes reverend girl anyone Boston University Boston University was in the group I know that the Reverend Rob Abernathy who was also in in the group with Dr. King we talk
Eugene Danson earlier this morning he said he expected to get well as Barbara. Well that's true. They're with individual groups either they broke up into 15 people were going in today and they broke up a group of three. Oh I say so. Dr. King Mr. Abernathy and Dylan in the first group along with three other people local people. And then the Reverend Eugene Dawson one of the group that has already gone in I guess all three groups are in but now I can't I can't check that for certain. He led one of the group and then Barbara Smith was in the third group. And they say they are going to the mansion we think they are going to the mountain and all I question the opportunity to meet with an integrated group on an equal basis. Right and if past experience holds true. I would assume that they already are already in jail. Yeah. Not in the mansion. Yeah that's right yeah that's right that's right.
They believe their next meal is going other place as guests in the county. Could you tell me. Anything reported you'd feel it interesting listeners up here in Boston to better get the report from last night's march. Yes yes we do have that one. What what. Planning for the rest of today will be more sit ins or a picket march today and during the day the three people that make up the city and sitting in for today. The three groups I selected sitting in for today. So how many how many would you estimate might be arrested by the end of today. That's the end of it for today for already today and I see around the 5th 15 people. And will it be another national large this evening. Yes maybe another mass march night and I think a bus from Savannah doing this afternoon. And like a lot of people who are coming to us not do anything to report on the bus loads of the nonviolent army coming
from other parts of the country will be coming from Savannah Georgia in Savannah Georgia a group today. They have already arrived here. One of the groups had trouble. Running a bus. You know at least you know anything about from the bus company. Yeah and that slow them up and so they'll be another day before they can get in. Another group is scheduled for Monday and there are some big name personalities that will be appearing this weekend and so forth. So things are developing and people will be coming and then have you hear any more from me if you're doing let me explain a chance. Not not any more than what it was before that they are gathering support for us in many ways doing things of this nature for us financially as well as well as people finances and people are
being gathered in the New England area. And Dr. King is made an appeal to everyone to men of conscience everywhere regardless of their organizational affiliation or anything to come in and protest the segregation and and the brutality and violence. Of the Klan type. Do you have any frame information in the telegram which Dr. King sent to President Johnson yesterday posting not that I know. It was Ted mascot WGBH FM reporter talking with the Reverend C.T. Vivian in St. Augustine Florida. Later we received confirmation that two other Boston University chaplains were also arrested today in America's oldest city and had mascot speaks with Jonathon Brown in St. Augustine. I want to get a confirmation on the arrest of Eugene
Dawson and Barbara Smith both with Boston University here. All right tipped off of the reporters there ARE THEY ARE the law and barbarous message ill till now they're all right. Brian was in jail. Yes yes we know about all they were all arrested at the Monson restaurant is that right. That's correct. Do you have any idea how long they will be staying in jail or if there will be any and if there will be a fasting program some of them independently decided to yet have to prostrate to the proctor trail for all the work you have some unfortunate experiences of you. Nights ago John about before yeah. Could you describe those to me. Well first I just. Thought of this it like it was FRONT OF HOUSE in Second Life. Yes and maybe Up till then after we got through it and they just wait for me.
And if they let me go by if they hit me as I walk by and they just kept hitting me that I would die on the ground of the top opposition. They start kicking. Us after a period of time probably 30 seconds to get they just stop. What happened the next day. I was right. We were down there and they were I think at least 200 policeman right. Yes we take that require at least 200 police. After. I got hit in the back of the head by a field. Well there were policeman five yards from me. They were actually sobbing being head. And could have prevented it. But they did. And then I was taken out of the lot by three policemen. And they start questioning. They asked my name what I was doing there. And they just want to place a critical problem.
The Associated Press. Reports that the four whites were arrested as a result of last night. I have. Every right to do the work for the group that they may have been right. I say John John you work down there Easter time I guess. No no actually your kids are out here to go and we can't go out again we're starting a program. Yes I know I know Herb and and the the people from Yale associate and of mine myself spent two weeks since in August spring and have a great vacation. Yes well. Next we spoke with Dr. RB hailing the negro dentist in St. Augustine who is head of the local Southern Christian Leadership Conference there. Well how are things going down there. Oh a fairly rough spot.
Dr. King and those went in today and Reverend Abernathy and I would be willing let me you know meeting in Redmond often. Yes and what will the program include future rescue. Oh yeah. I mean we have a bus load of people coming in from Savannah Georgia. We had over 100 highway patrolmen in town last night on home so they claim then you have to you know have the worst negroes were still subjected to violence. They say Were there any incidents. Let's say during the during the night after the you know after want to call you I don't know about after one o'clock I know we had an automobile shot into were going home from a mass meeting last night. This is not unusual to have cars shot up not in dead mascot WGBH FM reporter talking with Dr. RB Hayling in St.
Augustine this morning before the Burnsville England and Eugene Dawson were arrested. Tom Connelly of WGBH FM spoke with them concerning the events in St. Augustine and their future plans there. The crash went down last Friday got a write off. They went down to watch the market you know having your night market and they went down and they came back and they look scared. I mean this was NBC and CBS and ABC and the head of any young kid or their cameraman the sort of thing they obviously had their shock troops and they were dressed like could try to keep you know nobody to wear press anything or rather watch where they actually physically. Yeah what I was was one of the cameraman homie. He turned on his light and came and came with the. Granite club and said turn off that light. You're going to get it but. Get away from
here and of course he deployed a computor light by the circle which probably if you're properly trained should be trying to work out her private life. But so they pulled out pretty fast. Now I thought that we think six people to the hospital that were here. One for the price he stayed overnight he had a concussion what with a brick like you already broken right. Kid just said well I want to talk. He was great. All right time well OK. Oh. Hi Tom Conway here again. Can I help you in any way as well thank you. What happened last night as well as the markdown proceeded to go around sort of the
town square sort of called Slave hard things to read the peaceful about first halfway around the mark and suddenly I'm going to market with a cane. This would probably be a little difficult to ascertain I would say about four hundred fifty four hundred fifty four hundred fifty. Quite a bit of heavily forested street with Highway Patrol and local law enforcement personnel. Then you go on where the about half way through and there is quite a bit of heckling. So on some of the rowdies which gathered in the park area that we were walking around about half way around couple jumped out on the dock in the grass it was there. A law enforcement officer nearby came over way back really was hurt for nothing. Nothing serious proceeded to.
Go back in the second car and we were just about around the entire park marred when suddenly without any warning or our gang up and. Running towards him and the fortune they had stashed away bricks rocks. Bottles and then to get her in a mattress won't need it Lee. The market went down our hands. It should remind you that in this recession women and small children of all ages all women and that's why people in the profession. We try to protect ourselves from it all rather we're getting some people get it one lady on the head man firing a cop at that point right there and then there is a lot of barking in the capital the mark again
began to run actually until we got across three way the bricks on it were coming down. I carried a couple of the other the felt myself. Thinking lately cracking when we came back we headed back for him some like that happen. It would kind of end of the mark that will always be and we had six people were taken to the hospital but still sadly that I was the minimum for a lot of people have found that it was one elderly lady a white lady I forget her day but he had a family. Member about the size of a grapefruit our arm we could get hit with a record. I don't care whether the hospital but a lot of people had proper care
I would have they much the pen about 400 made it up for at least 300. Three hundred law enforcement all over the place but the strange thing that's what Dr. Martin Luther King said later on how how these good fellows managed to get in the park to be there to have all this stuff hidden away taxed away. Many of these guys are going to be educators claim and I mean that a file that will be a part of the clamp down here and the law enforcement officers know this but yet they let them remain in the park but then you start to think that if. You think you're seventy five right. Maybe I have it right. How about time.
Well they are there a little bit at first but I suspect that there will be another mark the feeling that it is the sort of thing there are violent manner and to take it like punishment. As they have to to get across the world the country. If you're in agreement and want to publicize it will you know it. But not to retaliate in a violent way. Part of that fight. How this will go down hill when I think it will go down. And then Barbara also risky who would fight for them. They can read about 12 0 0 0 0 0. Well I'll have to quote them. Why Dr.
Abernathy is. No doubt an attempt to be one of the fashionable restaurants here in St. Augustine. I have lunch together. I have a charge card that will probably be an expectation. Tom Connelly of WGBH FM talking with the Reverends Eugene Dawson and earlier Bill England both of Boston University. This telephone conversation was recorded this morning hours before they were arrested for attempting to be served lunch at a segregated restaurant in St. Augustine on Tuesday evening the Reverend Bill England was beaten and kicked while participating in a freedom march in St. Augustine. The next day Ted mascot talked with Reverend England concerning his beating and other developments in that city.
I want to know you know how you are and if you could describe specifically what happened to you last night. Well I'm very sure. The price right. Place it in different places. Hard to describe specifically how these attacks took place. Yeah we were walking around silently You know and a group of three white men stepped up front of me and started to hit me and knocked me down and then they kicked me about 10 or 15 times. Yes and then one of the boys from here jumped on top of me expect me and they kick him about five times. You just walked away. We had to skip the display was 12 years oh no it probably already is plenty. Yeah that's right. Resident Jackson says. Say oh yes well he he's one of the leaders of the yes yes yes right. I say and then what
happened. Well then after I then I got out and we were walking around the way and they were inside kind of a head and they just sat around until the next opening in and stood out in the stepped out front of me again and this time have they got me and I suspect they may be three or four times down. They probably kick me 15 or 20 times for my shirt up. Finally this chair for the mommy. He did He was the one who pulled them off. After a while you know he just wasn't around very much at all. It looked like he almost appeared to me that you know he was letting him be you know he decided I'd had enough and so I pulled it off because he obviously physically one of the guys off. He did he make any rationale. None whatsoever. Did you describe what other people heard in the marquee site you saw
there was a year old boy who would fly out and then one of the students from Yale would be one and Andrew Young and. Vern Taylor in the first paragraph. Be fairly severely Embryon which be quite deadly. He was I spoke to him last night he's an aide to Dr. Martin Luther King Yes he was fantastic. He got up and went back for more. Again if anyone retaliate to him now you know there was a there was a scuffle at the end you know which he gives me in all honesty as we were leaving bunch of white men ran across the street at a group and some of the boys some of the boys started to spend like white men for all the support. Yes. And this point the police were almost not in evidence I understand that they were at the end of the line and then we got back to our section.
But but you didn't retaliate at any time. We are of course not now are we we are starting with a nonviolent stance you would have other people from New England or from Lee noise he were who are white who are taking part in these demonstrations. My colleague from Boston University Barber smear and Jane Dawson are both participating in the April chaplains as well. Right trap a divorce. First he ages. Now now they are 18 was not it. They were both in the march but he was not attacked. I understood from Yale with 200 people are voting on a very interestingly noted that one of the people before our attack or to many others Engler. Can you tell me Bill about your future plans may be staying in seeing Augustine and participating. Oh yes. It seems to me that their issues fairly well to our point it isn't either. Now unfortunately as I watch
the verge of breaking down completely for us to withdraw that would be to capitulate to the fortunes of Hamas. What would you sell people dissipating. Yes actually continued to say. I spoke with Mr. Young earlier. He's asked this afternoon and he said that he did that. Guess again tonight he didn't think you would eat here. Well I'll do what I'm told to do I say. But I'm I'm here available to you too. I'm available to do with a productive day. You see now Bill has one and since you spent a couple weeks and seen Augustine this past spring this is people he was down there. Well if you could describe the mood of the city as contrast and contrast it to last spring. Oh I think the mood the city different day. Yeah and this city now in which you know the sort of thing to we don't we're violent. Yeah
April are now are just down nothing for an afternoon we had young children down to our 14 year old girl telling me she would get by a white man. She did nothing for no apparent reason. Yeah you struck down right hitting the people. They were down they were down trying placards in a picket line down to miscarry to march where it was. And they just walked around the information came back and Amanda sprawled out on getting the children. So it's right to see the mood is to completely change. You know I had a feeling we were you know and it's tolerated here in Easter. Yeah it was pride. It seems to me now. You're no longer be tolerated. You can't force it is withdrawn from any sort of input. That kind of turns our world events they say to you Do you feel there's any you hopeless keeping any of the goals which Dr. King.
Oh yes. Yes I think so but I mean you need me at this point. As an American citizen that I have asked for our government to provide we protect the infantry. It's Iraq used. There is a breakdown of law. I mean what can what could happen to happen. And not one of those things happened in a minute or two. We were down there 20 I was down I was obviously of the police were aware of our existence 15 minutes before 20 minutes before I was even slug you see the people who were hitting us who were attacking us stopping us. We're in a fairly small area there are only 40 or 50 or so he displayed to you. Thank you Dr. Martin Luther King's president in St. Augustine and both the community and the white community I should say in the freedom movement. I myself felt a real sense of security now that here.
I think I see this. Seriousness and a sense of security on the part of the group. I should say from what we can see the patrol cars are constantly around. I should say that the white community is keenly aware that it Mr. Dr. King playing eagle or a hawk with him when he right in saying oh yes yes it seems to me after listening to him today and chatting with him for a few minutes it quite obvious that you know it's very easy in a situation. It could well be that we are alone down here and that no one no one is hurt. Yes because I think that the forces that are well as I would say and why in the point of my community to fear these these forces would draw on that I think Dr. King coming John here we
find again that St. Augustine Florida is ultimately morally responsible that they enter the state. I think I think it gives me courage. It's to me what is important in St. Augustine is that for him within our first city seems to have lost touch. And so I should say that those who are able to discern should come to St. Augustine because only by their coming or violence it is normal to the naked community. We say all people to join as well. It's very much we very much almost want people to say I don't care to join here. You know I'm not an army. People are coming from all over the country. Dr. King and I think somebody come back to
North Carolina to me Alabama and Georgia and to really actually be a dead mascot of WGBH FM talking with the Reverend Bill England associate chaplain at Boston University who is currently in jail in St. Augustine Florida. Now from the wires of the Associated Press here is the latest news from that troubled city. A grand jury investigation of racial turmoil in St. Augustine Florida was ordered today after negro integration leader Martin Luther King was jailed for trying to integrate a restaurant. The state attorney requested grand jury action after two conferences with the governor Faris Bryant the grand jury will start a special session tomorrow. The Reverend King and the 13 companions were arrested in an attempt to enter a motel restaurant and being refused service by the manager. Earlier Mr King had
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Long, Hot Summer '64
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The first in a series of weekly news reports documenting the civil rights movement during the summer of 1964 includes telephone interviews of participants in St. Augustine, Florida, demonstrations. Rev. C. T. Vivian, director of affiliates of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference (SCLC), describes the arrest earlier that day, June 11, 1964, of Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. and 14 others when they attempted to eat at the segregated Monson Motel, and plans for other groups to arrive in the city to participate in protests. Reporters, Dr. Robert Hayling, the head of the movement in St. Augustine, and two chaplains from Boston University, Bill England and Eugene Dawson, describe beatings during demonstrations that day and during the previous two evenings. The series was produced for the Educational Radio Network. For information on the St. Augustine movement, see David J. Garrow, ed., St. Augustine, Florida, 1963-1964: Mass Protest and Racial Violence (Brooklyn: Carlson Publishing, 1989).
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Interviewee: Hayling, Robert
Interviewee: England, Bill
Interviewee: Dawson, Eugene
Interviewee: Vivian, C. T.
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