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They blindside Augustine and on the spot coverage of the struggle for civil rights in America's oldest city on Saturday March 21st members of the Massachusetts unit of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference left for said Augustine Florida WGBH FM reporters Leslie Dunn and Arnold schol were at the Greyhound bus terminal in Boston to talk with these members of the ACLC. Here is the Reverend William England chaplain of Bluffton University confronted by a situation of very patchy segregation and denial of human rights. In the oldest city in the United States. St. Augustine Florida that's where we're going in response to a call on the part of the civil rights leadership of the city. When homes are burned because a family seeks an education for their children. When men are beaten because. In in public without having the protection of the law. Then. Such a
situation demands a movement which will seek to remedy the injustice. And extend justice to all citizens of a city. And this movement must be supported. And this is why we're going to St. Augustine Florida. For us to fail to go to support the people of that city in their struggle. It would be a repudiation of our Christian faith. And. Family. That. You. Reference work. Never mind. How many students. Are leaving today their people have been leaving since yesterday evening or down there. Well I know I talked to St. Augustine last night and a couple of people had already arrived by then there will be people arriving. From there'll be some a couple of nice three people at least arriving this evening and most of the people will be arriving tomorrow evening or Monday morning on time and. At. Present count. There will be 28 people mostly.
University chaplains and students here and the students. Came. In response to the chapel. Hill but the chaplains at the School of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference passed the student Christian movement in New England at its mid-major meeting box office gave his speech. I'm sure when will you stop. All right second everyone gets there. Once we get down there we should go to. We should go to work for the people in St. Augustine to do what they say. Sometime during the week we show you what you plan to. Tomorrow evening. Do you know what type of demonstrations here but. They begin with the we don't know it's weird. We don't know about the demonstrations at all. What do you anticipate to find out there actually.
Well the town that's very tightly segregated. Little or no communication between the negro and white. Community. An integral community that very much wants their rights as American citizens. Is the amount of people 28 people going down from Boston. What is the percentage in this of negro boy. Well I'm not sure say all 28 are going from Boston. To. 28 of us and this is distinct from this first week or second week there will be a good number more people coming in I think the second week there will be quite a few more from Boston. During the second week as can the integration of the group going down and I just don't know. Is this being on a national nationally coordinated movement at this point. Are people expected to be there from California for instance specifically for the demonstration. You know. This is the demonstration we were asked by the
ACLC in. St. Augustine near the office and Atlanta. And. They asked specifically those of us in New England. To come. And you expect to be there about two weeks or so. Yes we shall be there two weeks although some of us may particularly not be there all the hoo ha. We shall be and the. Students and chaplains and people from the New England area will be in St. Augustine to support the city. Rights Movement there for the next two weeks. Do you think the emotions will be of the people that live in St. Augustine. Well I suspect they should be rather unhappy. This is. All over. At least the white people I see when we talk to another segment because the neighbor a when are together for very serious. Very However we're coming only because they asked us.
How most positively do you think this will help the Negro movement at this point. Well. I think it will help the nichrome movement primarily as it. Sister and. American citizens join together and shit. And. I should say you know helping the nigger coming we're going down to do what they want us to do. With the civil rights people down there want to say we have no program work. A run from up here we're going to get what they want us to get. And that they want us they think we're going to be helpful to us so we're. Going to go down to help them out as representatives of doing. Well as American citizens yes. One of the students joining the group was Yana earth skin Gorham Maine State Teacher's College and what motivates you to participate in this particular part of the negro acacia. Well I was asked. To. Ask. Was I have the right answer. Oh. It's was actually to
see I. Actually did the asking was actually to be asking was. You know Oregon was meeting was. CM. When Midwinter Congress. Was about it wasn't. THERE ANY OTHER PEOPLE THAT dissipating in this your school. Or my school was. Was my city was. In cremation. It. Was. Ashleigh. When you get this. Obviously. Was I just I. Was. Saying wait. A MINUTE. I was. And if you think if you. Had ever. Asked me. Was it part of your Easter vacation or you're taking time off. Oh I have. A
question for my do. You. Mean. Do you. Know. What. Positive. Reaction. Could. Be. A positive reaction to supposedly the St. Augustine community will. You. Oh I hope it wasn't an hour since. We were anticipating that. I don't know maybe this. Situation wasn't. Going. To. Be. Among. The incentive. Factor. I. Think you are and if you have any idea yet as to what they are like this will be when you get there. No I don't I have a chance. Thank you. Thank you. Thank. You. Thank. You.
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heat was the winner and it. Was. The most unfreedom questioning the bus pulled out of the greyhound terminal and members of the Massachusetts unit of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference were on their way to sin Augustine Florida. Was it was the. The. With. Was was. The. Earlier today there was a press conference held at the polls Cathedral in Boston Phyllis Ryan press representative of the Massachusetts ACLC introduced Reverend Virgil wood president of the Massachusetts S. EOC Kenna James Braden of the Massachusetts freedom movement.
Harvey Cox project director for the ACLC force and Augustine Mrs. Malcolm Peabody mother of the governor. The lives of two fiscal bishops of Massachusetts Mrs. Burgess and Mrs. Campbell and the Reverend Warren McKenna of Holbrook Massachusetts and the president of the conference. We respond given the right and the right and then there is a broad American religious right. Down on the freedom you know so we just.
Simply to say that this action indicates a another step in the increased consciousness of the connection between the Northern and Southern scenes as far as I'm concerned for racial justice. These journeys from north to south. The pope believes more frequently from south to north are certainly going to be increasing and increasing element in the freedom movement as it progresses. I like having more fun in the two days which I spent in St. Augustine Florida as the guest of seeing Augustine unit of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference. From which visit I returned just two weeks ago that exact time the invitation was extended to become the St. Augustine this spring and how proud of the struggle for racial justice and equality in St. Augustine in St. Augustine is an acute one on the city of sin
or sneak through. People that come there and visit America's oldest city all of the public facilities for virtually all of them are our own Negros restaurant hotels and with one exception all the place. Only a token beginning of the Maidan integrating the public schools and the family of the first. Negro children to enter a public school there last spring last for long had their house burn down. Last fall the two clock management active in its retaliations against members of the legal community. The hospital remains totally fabricated. In short it is a power which is not even taking the first steps toward a democratic and inclusive community. It has not even the point of the law. With normal practice
the invitation of our brother to come and be with them during the. Interview. This is no easy war. This mission misses you. Well if one has Christian convictions and believes in the worth of every individual one feels deeply because of the indignities suffered by Negroes. So as a member of a Christian church and especially of the discourse aside if a culture and racial unity. I'm glad of this opportunity to give my witness against injustice nent and discrimination be it well understood that the North is far from guiltless in these matters. The image of
the United States suffers in the world at large because of our treatment of our Negro citizens. So as an American I am most anxious at that image be changed. Well you know mothers don't dast sons for missions to go and although I went round to see him on. Friday he'd gone skiing. So I haven't seen it. So the lower we go I'm sure I'm sure you'd never do that because we are new but we believed in and our family. And he I've I've always been able to do much at my own
or I've written a that Mayor Shelly has said that peaceful picketing is not against the law and I don't think I'll be asked to do much more than that. I'm not out to be a crusader and get myself into jail but if I say I don't think that in our democracy that they would really care to put three nice women in jail. You aren't so fired. I don't know because we have to be met by Dr. Hayling. And I will be there for three days. And I imagine we'll do what it seems best at the moment I think we play it by ear. I am very happy to have two other bishops rise walking arm in arm with me down the street.
Or you ask them if they want to ask Mrs. Campbell and she talk that ever this. Happy to go as a witness to. My belief in in democracy and in our being a Christian democracy. I think in our treatment of minority races in this country we are neither Christian nor fully democratic. And this is one small witness that a woman can make to help improve the situation. I go because I believe in he's right on that one must bear witness even to the point of giving his life. Or be normal. You'll
understand why he. Didn't like it. I think that housing ought to be there that the negroes ought to have a better chance and better housing. I know that many people are working on this that there are these fair housing groups outside the city and in the end arounds and I think that's a mighty good thing. And Massachusetts has one of the best records in the country on civil rights. I'm very proud to belong to Massachusetts and I'm sure that. I suppose that's one reason I've been brought up in Massachusetts without those ideas. Also I haven't lived in New York state and they have a very good they're very good laws on and in discrimination there too.
While we are definitely had I think of we don't. Have more if we don't demonstrate with nonviolence we're going to get into violence. And that let's all work together now to do what we can do. The result of these questions in a peaceful way. I'm interested to see the demonstrations have helped. Even It isn't a true and Williamston they are even there they've helped. I don't see what else they can do can you. Have you any suggestions. You
DON'T have been a hundred years you know since I've been freed. And I've got to wait a thousand. I have stayed on that for a while but when I saw all the interest that was in Broward by that school bright car I became convinced that was the thing to do it made a lot of people think to make it brought a lot of people in from the suburbs to see what was happening. It called attention to it that's what they need attention brought and that's what this demonstration in Florida is going to do just call attention to the fact. I've been asked you know now what am I doing.
Well I don't know I know. This is. And there is a statement here from human beings that read. In as a tourist city. And for many years St. Augustine has encouraged people to visit America's oldest city. And we are now preparing to do that. By accepting a special invitation. To look on the city's historical sites to its. Continuing pattern. Of discrimination hatred and violence.
We believe that St. Augustine belongs to all its citizens as indeed to all Americans who have been asked to finance the celebration of its 400 year by a congressional appropriation of three hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Furthermore as Christians we recall with dismay. When such conditions exist anywhere but especially in a city named after a man born in North Africa. And one who bequeath to the world and historic hope for the unity of all men. In the City of God. We therefore believe it is our duty as Christians and American citizens to accept the invitation to witness and protest this city's persistent segregation and oppression of the Negro community.
Earlier today WGBH FM received a phone report from do you have commented mascot who are covering the events in St. Augustine County speaking from late Augustine Florida where producer Ted Barrett arrived Sunday morning very early rather interesting after watching the bus a push from speaking with some of the people who are dissipating and the demonstrations which is beginning in the city of morrow or perhaps as many of you know a group of white leaders from the other party arrived here late last night to Dr. Robert Haley a local Baptist yet his campaign to get equal rights. Horrible horrible night at 8 o'clock.
This record is featured in “Voices from the Southern Civil Rights Movement.”
Dateline St. Augustine
Part 1
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This is the first in a series of news broadcasts covering the struggle for civil rights in St. Augustine, Florida during March and April 1964. Reporters interview New England clergy, including Rev. William England and Mary Peabody, the mother of the governor of Massachusetts, at Logan Airport in Boston on March 21, 1964, as they prepare to travel to St. Augustine at the request of Dr. Robert Hayling, a local dentist and advisor to the local youth council of the NAACP. Reporters from St. Augustine report on plans for demonstrations. For information on the St. Augustine movement, see David J. Garrow, ed., St. Augustine, Florida, 1963-1964: Mass Protest and Racial Violence (Brooklyn: Carlson Publishing, 1989).
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Interviewee: England, Rev. William
Interviewee: Peabody, Mary
Producer: Mascott, Ted
Producing Organization: WGBH Educational Foundation
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Reporter: Conley, T.F.
Reporter: Darren, Leslie
Reporter: Shaw, N. Arnold
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