Prospects of Mankind with Eleanor Roosevelt; What Status For Women?; 310

We're going to be watching. Next to let you keep the hell of a little roosevelt. Prospect of mankind. But do you think cooperation with red eyes universe. Or are a far reaching social revolution has been in the past hundred years. Emerging from the for. Work study. American women to listen to men didn't want people saying the right to vote. Seventy two thousand one hundred ninety eight has been in fact. Higher education is commonplace. An increasing number of women spent part of their life working. Some even do work that differently performed by men. Yup clinton is great revolution has not been easy for either. Not completely happy being just a house by the american woman at the same time does not seem to be making the most of the right. Grandmothers a good quarter few american women hold high

or too few are entering professions where they are sorely needed. Sometimes the president recently created a one company called recommend a cookie cutter rather than a complex. Just right for them to discuss the coalition on the status of women. But it's can little thank you. Good i like to thank you again. But it looks really good really because at least in our list of things are scared to kill you. Good. Has a laugh at

you after yes i got to get a thank you. Ok c.l.. I would like to ask you if any good little success. And i would say much and listen live you can really give us a little understated police action because it is the political junkie who made it look it's just that i'm such a mysterious release f.e.d.'s of make your head if you're going to get answers are good and good at looking after your many years later yes i do encourage you in any company united states a certain area of the lake a governmental leadership and i think you can pay and. You can get used to learning. And if you think you have mass. You're much better than that of the next you're looking at the end of a calendar. You hadn't considered. Any brain really isn't used effectively. I think you want to make sure that the some recognition to get into

the special government is going to add to the another really. I was like i'm going to enter a daily life of a specific usefulness of look inside of life. Of this elaborate necessarily i think it is the greatest idea the reality is really of it really to use it as effectively as a candidate that i use in addition to media center study. Thank you very much i think that's a very good object. Like i usually do. But i still believe it's a good. And that you get here early and many of the lives of a lot better. Situationally had a lot of cancers. Of the bill insanity. Of cancers. Of really love headed into play after years of political looking typically good legislation. Because if you. Then they are looking to have you any idea why it's

good that anyone can have a mess of some help of humanity just a lifetime of early success. Just spoken to the focus. As i stated his character to the family you know you actually created a fake a legacy of the economic family. Asian children. And i quite agree i don't think you make an excuse for the alyea getting off a lot of you know you get only a key position you're going to take us back the other day when you gave your life if i said mr sailor didn't really great like a few of the n.l. union delegation and if you insist again fearing that. We have in your expatriate. But i still think you ought to do better. I think you ought to do better in the field of medicine. Yes i think that the millions of girls who are limited to medical to remember scientists and doctors. I don't think you could get a gallon of computer reality better than a letter of i'm not really are you considering the

tally of energy has a great many of the of you do the job and speaking of medicine it is a legacy. We're ever going to make it that. Of for you personally parity in the patients and i think you have two or three percent of each class committed to really gauge of i know little or no gain if you're about to begin any calculation galleria very conscious of that because of the really good chances of success are happy but i lose of a sense of the guess of those i'm barely. I think ok i'm feeling so sick and so. That's the question you ask a physician. Police have a great deal of difficulty with a lot of of a lot of millions of lives that they really love has left the family to leave a fairly good place to live with again. A weekly basis of any fear of. The quickly as they

give you a look. But i still think of that which is really everything related to this but i don't really have a very good a lot of variability and that's just like a fear that of. We have a psych standard and. I think we laughingly said the family. Is america. But many cases the middle east and india is a tiny little make aliya you can think of to the best possible. Of obscenity of millions. Luckily that families are destined to get out of these pretty good. Of a better job. It's a really good thing that's really help. But i think when you look at the. Of radcliffe college educated. Fairly academic excellence and. Drag their feet high energy agency the n.s.a.

you seem to be achieving most of highly developed a lot of emphasis yesterday a few years later to get married any economist house. Of own a county ballots used in your family life but even if you're used outside analysis. It is true that a year can feel bad for you even though days of the year consecutive of days are usually of great communicator. Site of a leisurely day every day opportunity that a few sentences a day. Said the definition of happiness for you see if a line zacchaeus underlay better than if you like it if you like it better. Educated elite khalilah computer. It's ok under thirty. Thank you that after you left. Policing. Really good. Services to get you to make it easier for police to make them.

Think it was so it is easy to do that because i'm going to get them. But i think there is a way to securely the family of another community sensibility to tell you the same thing for the society in general is a necessity of escalators and that's really i don't underestimate yes yes. To be a good idea to get legislation to give you the status of a in a face on it because it is either. Yes i left. The system of recently suggested related. But i do think of that really make a decision that is if you will receive basically the first recommendation. If it is a valve. I would like. I think a good of letting things go ask you whether you had a living just to. Hopefully really a good solid completely fail. But we shared a

hell of a living taking a close associate of the failure of the first place at mostly earlier the need to maintain a fairly good. Of at risk for a second. A low still activity good for us in the areas that are really in the future the engineering. Of the city of going to direct you to the early stages of a. Of us the competitiveness of so that i don't think any millionaire. Directly after that because it indirectly later that i was failed apparently a careless. That i don't think if there is a good education. We have to look at that a lot of failures in a regulated enough texas valley area here can give you a look at expand the article you get excited to get elected as a valid stimulative effect that it is but i would say do. Allow it. I'm sorry that i did that and i don't think this is a

fairly early that you had a chance to educate because if all the conditions are still yes. You say that all of that just isn't made of the legality of chaotic examination to satisfy you as badly as getting the data i'm good thank you. Also unless you're going to continue the discussion if you get rid of it as. I think oh the united states secretary of labor is all joining them you're going to hear secretary eagleburger as a prominent labor lawyer and leading expert at a later management it is an extremely active take is that going to be as interested in sales and availability of if you. And so can. All over the country. A lot of leaders going to come to the president's commission on the state of illinois i'm going to get a kick in again because of ideological beliefs i learned i began to look at the united nations as a lady concerned with women's affairs. Concentrating particularly on the problems of videos and course i clearly recall a feeling her present position. This is leslie was president of the

united nations commission understated to gmail on its lending while the president is going to college to women before coming to slip to make you think you know i got a million holes in file clearing had been a good university. And he had been a well known history professor and administrator of the canadian all of the are going to settle the case in general european history. I don't think it looks like and smith has spoken. Lay about women's problems. You're a come around ski professor of sociology at barnard college. And columbia university. Her special fields of interest in research and teaching. Have been the family and the status of women. Got to come across his latest book is women in the modern world. Their education and their dilemmas. She would assess mrs roosevelt in directing the discussion. I'm so glad the president was interested enough in this question to appoint a commission. On the status of women. So.

Mr secretary my first question is going to be to ask you when but. Areas. Do you feel the commission. Can make recommendations. That would also something really new to americans. This is roosevelt there are so many areas where i think constructive. Recommendations are called for. But it's hard really to define the limited areas that time permits. To talk about. But i would say they're pretty well set forth in the presidential order. Setting up the commission. And the importance of them is apparent from the listing. First we ought to talk about the employment policy and. Where when. Private employment where we'll get paid less than them for doing the same work. Why should that big commission not study that. And advise the american people about women in the employment of the government. Which is paid for by our taxes men and women alike. They don't have the proper papers. I won't say proportion because i don't believe in proportion.

What inhibits the employment of. Qualified women in federal state and local employment. Why should really be. Differently treated. And their civil rights. In their property rights in their political rights. In their family relations. That's a subject we need to. What about federal labor laws and state labor laws. As reson you are one of the pioneers in getting special laws for women to protect and do we still need them. Or do we know. Emerge in a period where we ought to abolish. Discrimination laws. In favor of women want to study that. What about tax policy and social insurance. Should a woman. Have the same treatment as a living. When they retire or be an appendage to a man in the social security sense. You want them to be an appendage in the biblical sense. But not in the social security sense.

What about tax laws women have earnings at various times of their life. We ought to study that too what about new services that are required for a new age twenty four million women are when the working force one third as the president has said of the working force. Now. When do we need new service. Should a working mother be worried if she has to work as most of them do. About what happens to her children. What do we do about that. This is one of the subjects that we ought to study. So i would say we have so many subjects mrs roosevelt that even under your great leadership. I wonder can we provide. The studies and the answers that we need to provide in all of these important. Well of course. Secretary i.e. interested after we've written the report. In saying that something is done. And a commission comes to an end. But i'm still that's one of the points that i'm anxious about. But now i'd like to.

I'm best address from sweden. If she would tell us a little bit about developments in that country. Because they have done a great deal in in this particular field ever giving women the opportunity to do things for two. Something about that press or maybe i should say that the proportion of working women is about the same in my country as in your country. We have seen this many years try to find those ways and means of making it possible for the women who want to or must do with the life the economic opportunities to make it possible for her to do it. That this to say we have built. They know cities for working women. We are trying to build houses where they can get hot for fully prepared food that they can take or when they come from their work and they pick up their children from that they know cities. We are trying to get

the mystical. Home the. Household workers will come and take over to the children. So that the mother can go to her job. And they also can come and help. If the mother is to take care of the children. And the helpful. These are a few of the things we are trying to do and maybe i have to say in this connection that. The trade unions are a bit akiane that that they in the city still be run by the community. Not by the employer. Because then they are forced to stay with the employer who gives them opportunities to use that they know they want them then detached and impersonal prom the point of view of the employer's interests. And i think there is an agreement between the employer. And the workers that. This is the best way. They ask a question about zanny. The nurse elisia uncooperative. We have heard a good deal at one time about the threat of poverty of hounds us with

nursing these and other services right in the housing. Hasn't developed our visitor now to the disease. It is developing. And i have. Both my children in the dana city on that type. And lived in a house of that kind. And. May i say that. It's a very good for the children. And for the mother. With the sick peeling up security. That the children are in good hands and when taken care of. Of course it's a harder physical way for the mother because she then has to take care of all the household where her self if she does not have a housemaid. But on the other hand it's well trained personnel in the day no service and they stay there here after years of the children have the same necessity to want to have something. Which i think was this development suite and then that is a hot meal for the children. In the middle of the day.

Or at some period of the day. Which lightens the responsibility of the home to some. Do you mean the school children or the you richard yes. Every school child in sweden has a hot meal. In the day to day between clear levon and twelve was twelve to one o'clock because it's like a breakfast. Is it because children come without those doors a door with a very light breakfast. Or is it a real. Midday. A real dinner. It's a luncheon lunch or no deal or whatever you want to call it. Everybody is supposed to have had breakfast before they leave their homes. And the school starts at eight o'clock. And then they get the break. Get around eleven eleven thirty s and they have a hot new. Well that is a city which has great value i think for four children. To think so indeed i have just finished a year. Of interview income. Working class. Mothers and fathers and i work in class

community was they are stuck with the labor they were all native born of native parent take general right then so they were not as disadvantaged that some. Working class groups. And so what i think applies to them up play is doubly. To other. But my impression was that the development of nursery schools. Perhaps under school education. This is for children of four and five would be of the nans benefit if it can even if we can do it because a significant minority. Of the mothers were deeply troubled about their children and. I think i would estimate that they were about two or three decades. The high. Did they are thinking about human behavior and about in the mentor the principles of mental hygiene. And so whether they work are not. I

think such nurses are using it. Well for what you are talking about really is nursery schools. For three and four year olds isn't it. Now i'm wondering whether the real nuestra is necessary all of our young would be babies be. For instance in sweden when they would be put in these. Nurseries up which is free. They can. Buy that they know already at the age of six to seven months. Yes. But that's what i believe they should not come down before they are one so. So having a child might represent for a woman who was working in sweden an interruption in her working life or perhaps six or seven months later as the weeks or months before the child birth and then. During the five to six months when she's nursing the baby herself. And i make a point here which is. Reflect both of your discussions.

To many holes point. It has been assumed too often women who worked. Constitutes a disruption in family life. And this of course is a matter i think which would concern a lot of. What we're talking about a concern for affecting protecting family life. Which means the welfare of the mother. Well for the child. At the same time recognizing what turned out to me to be an astonishing fact. When i started my own the practice that nine out of ten women. In modern life will work at some point in their life. And that. Many of their will work. By necessity. Most of them are by try some of them. Just of appointing children are being raped. But that brings us to this question about. Patients you see now where a woman. Is educated.

Come to education and type perhaps a little late but she can perfectly go into any profession or any education. Any. Any occupation. That to. She is trained to end the day. But i have some occupations. Let's admit it more suited for women than others. Are you trying to argue that they're all equally so that. That's a secretary. I would argue about the desirability of having an open society. Every opportunity for every person man or woman. So. Agree to a profession agree on the other hand. We would be foolish to do know that for women. Raising a family is a tremendously important thing. And i would certainly urge everyone to evaluate that. The enormous joy in the journey and occupation. I'm a very good

friend of mine who came in. And who opted for the feel of science. That required. Continue the bush and so that she became a mother and she has a right. Of course as her supreme joy. To spend the early years of life with the children. She has said to me. Between two branches of science. So here. She was taking another branch that perimeter her to go back. Easily to that other bridge. Rather than the bridge. That she was in. I think those are legitimate. Because we all have to make choices in life. Of one kind or another or wallow in what we want to do. I would like to comment a little. Upon this. I get it entirely with you mr secretary. First of all i think we should leave it to the women to make the choice. And not choice for them and say you are not suited for

this or this type of life is not thought about before you make that choice but give her the towards the so she really can make a choice. I would agree with of course it is a hardship for a weapon. Not that of course it is. I have gone through it i know what i'm talking about then i seen it in many cases. But maybe it's also a hardship to be forced not to continue with a job the audience that has to be in. And where you also feel that you are contributing to the suicide. And method one more word. I think also that we are very conventional when it comes to the point of view of the period when women should have the. Professional training. Why do they have to start so early and write conscious thought that i'm in that life why can't they come back and complete that training later on. What i wanted to add is that. The difficulty for these i.d.'s. And if your patient gets tagged with

a family then or a meskin than the a g. patient. And that works towards the disadvantaged to the disadvantage of the whole society. I don't know whether you are familiar with the fact that pharmacists and dentists. In france are to a much greater extent to women. We have women in real estate and insurance. In blunt does not. We don't have women in engineering or netizen. Soviet union. And even within our country. Sometimes in the queue patients say. In canning. In wisconsin. It is a masculine like your patients in a minority. Tradition and accidental and whatnot get involved. And as it is the most of it many a good teacher does most of teaching. Because it's considered a fan and then education and many a good scientist is one. When one side

is lost to science. If i understand your point is there's really no rational basis for describing this. Except your dishan may develop. Because you prove it i think by saying that one country. This is regarding where one of the occupation. The other country. This is love so that really there's not a rational basis of tradition. I have one connection. What is the effect. I think. Is that the acute patients are. More differentiated than. They need to be on rational grounds but i do not expect. That men and women who don't have as i move to the say in a pattern. I expect some difference of path only. For the reasons that you have suggested. I don't expect them to have i think that's a very very tricky word. A moment ago. As far as women and women and working is concerned and that was continuous i think. As in the story you describe.

The woman should recognize that if she wants to have a family. Her working life is going to have a discontinuity to it that often of the working life of the man does not have and that she should face up to that fact. In advance and be prepared to make whatever. Adjustments. She in society can make so that she can prove. Pursuing these two things sometimes. In sequence or sometimes concurrently depending on what the profession or work is. I think we're best to wrestle made a valuable point though. At some point this may involve merely. A postponement. In an educational path. Not necessarily in the band of the month. When i was in your country i saw a training programme which interested me very much because we are in boxes now for the first time in a governmental training and retraining. But you have to some time. And my wife and i. At the invitation of your prime minister last year saw a training programme for women that.

Invited women who had raised their families in the wanted to do this. That was their choice. As a full time occupation. That a later stage in their life to become praying for a different career. And i thought that was an excellent program. Because it illustrated that you do not have to feel that because you are not able at one point in your career. To pursue a continuous path. That this excludes you're at a later point in your life. Picking up. And pursuing it. And i i think that. To from the observation that it is difficult to teach. Sometimes. When they're in the happiest of being in college or any university. A. They have certain habits of many. To go back to

both of you have been out for a certain length of time. Requires a good deal of self-discipline. That happens to be one of the things i'm not quite sure we teach and i'm i'm i'm wondering how much. This will really be done. And i'm. I'm wondering about another question. Secretary you recommend present that we freeze. Wages for a time. Would you have this apply to some of the very low paid wages that within certain. Past is. And also many women. Could do part time work. And don't do it because either they can't get it or they don't feel that it's really. Was doing. Because they don't get enough. Pay and. It puts them on a lower status.

Cliché i asked that question. We do not recommend that wages be frauds. And we are not recommending that as a matter of national policy. We have been recommending. Responsibility. And restraint in the wage and price area in america generally to avoid inflation. To promote price stability in the world markets. And to read our commitments abroad and protect the dollar. However i have said. And i've said a deliberate convention of our highway. A journey that when we say this we don't need the same degree. I would appeal for example. To the industries and wage earners in the higher wage industries to take a little less. So that the wage earners. In the lower wage industry particularly women.

Many of whom. Because of lack of training. Lack of experience. In those industries. Can get a little bit. Matter of fact i feel very strongly about the sense. I think that we ought to place a wager emphasis upon the. Less affluent parts of our society i'm reminded of a statement that your husband once. We will be judged not only in domestic affairs. But in foreign affairs because we're talking about concepts that are universal. Is apparent here. Not on what we do for those who have too much. But i do what we do for those who have too little. And i think that's a universal truth. That's true. Throughout the world and our foreign policy. It's true and i don't think policy is wery important to us. But we have raised the standard.

What mr secretary that. The argument one often hear is that with unemployment among men. It is not. Politic and desirable. To encourage greater employment among women. But i was interested. Vester russell and she talked about their employment base and i was an ass and same question. I'll try to answer in fact that we ought to ask her for her country to have a poll a prime an economist. So they are anxious to get women into the labor market. And they encourage. In our country we don't have a falling fineman economy we have never for some years. The question does iran. Are willing displacing when this desire to have to first of all i statistics show that. A great majority of the women in the work force. I mean are working for us because they have to be. Women i had to say women little old.

Women are required to work. That represents an overwhelming proportion of their lives. It is a very interesting thing. That during a period of unemployment of when women who do not normally choose to work. I required to work. Because their husbands are unemployed. On the job opportunities that are available. Only available to women. And that's really all i would say today. We are having a war we really are employed during a period of unemployment. As an assessor of family life and. That is another question. Would you dr kelly. Speak to that this other point is that we have prided ourselves and rightly so about daniela come. Standard of living and thinking that we are a middle class aside from our what is a middle class. It's got about forty percent of american wage earners. Earned. Of the population.

Earned. In one hundred fifty five and i don't know whether the last that we in four thousand and seventy five hundred. Now that's not a tremendously high. And one of those had a second. And that was. And i don't know that we can maintain the so-called middle class. Standard of living. Otherwise. We stated. Of course that this is something new but there was a time when the family was willing to live on their earnings. Of the suspect. But what had happened. That children were before. The to some extent the mother that now are the places. They work of children. And i don't know but it was true. I know it was a dozen i definitely could have testified earlier. I covered for a family of eight children and everybody worked. My mother did not you're quite correct in that the children's children and mothers to replace

children are very correct. And certainly we have just begun to explore every way the area of. Part time work and. Voluntary work for. By women in our society there is there are so many areas which are crying out loud for help here. And often. I think it's actually the the mores of the particular profession. I'm a teacher. But i do think we could use part time teachers up and down the whole range of teaching without them i don't think we have a problem peel away. Which where women really have training could be immensely valuable to the community in many cases. We have never read a. Advanced volunteer way. On a professional status as a resident i think that's very important because today. In all of our area schools education. Headlee children generally.

We can a man is only with the professional group available. And one of the great services. That really can do on a part time basis are their children on a full time basis. There's this greater area volunteer work my wife for example has been looking into this in the district. And she has phoned enormous enthusiasm. On the part of women who want to make a contribution to this. To help with the education. Help with juvenile. Problems. Help with the age of problems. If they're invited to do it. And to be also trained to do. And part of our training. Was not only in compass training for jobs that pay. Now this training for public service. This brings us to education. And i really think that this is one of the things we should discuss. All we are we giving with the proper kind of education the knives. Start with them

and i knew that education would take it sooner or later mrs roosevelt. We always do. I suppose i should. First come back at the group with the question. Do they think that the education of women should be substantially different from the education of men. I think this is a fairly howard i'm down rule to get back to you saying. I once wrote a book saying no riots or here is a break in the bin and then i have a look she says. Of the nation. That is to say. Women do have special problems. That's why we have an hour devoted to women's problems. It isn't because we assume that men don't have problems. It's after all not a man for a man. The ulcers i'm the coroner. So they certainly do have problems. But we happen to be talking about women. Problem with men just say by say we have a not only else special problems the social characteristics. But i think even that.

I'm talking about college education. And that's something i know a little something about and i'm not sure about second case and. I think it applies even more so there i think within the framework of the century and they still are strong liberal arts education. The special interest of the sexes can find their answer. I don't see that we can. We need to design a distinctively famine and college during. If we did i think we would and. That women for. I.q. patients as well as on family life. A mother needs to know about an amoeba. They know that they have the whole making the yardarm some of us. I would not like to see a different kind of education. Compared voice i think they should have the same curriculum. Then they can add to that if they want to add the sum which they need. So little later. But i would like to go back again.

Education. To your case no training and to none sort of occupation. Because you have to base. The education on on some future needs for. Work of. If we are going to look into this. I think which would rather try to see. Which occupations or professionals are supposed not to be sort them or for women. And then ask ourselves why and. Can something be done about did. Or should something be done about it and i'm sure that when we study them a little closer. We see that it's not the pledge it is as you said. In different states. Those jobs are not for women in other states. The other kind of jobs are not for women. So that's one field. I would also like to go back to with the part time work. Maybe a part time work is not protected because we have not made.

We have not in then. In the field property. We have not counted the employers to invent the future and see if they could drop a few of the page abuses against. Dividing up jobs and put them on the for the. Hours of the day. So that they saw was that women best. Right. I went public with this instead of sticking to your. Problem. Was. That's their goal in that and parent's interest in giving us a sort of education. College. Ok start training education has very much to do with the future possibilities. She cannot decide when she is fifteen or sixteen whether she's going to get mad it or is going to have children. But she has to make up her mind that she wants every other sound basis point possibilities to have a job if her

live should be such that she can have a job and chooses to have one. And that's why i'm so as good at that we planned the education. And the training. Believing that they will and. So when they don't they believe. The labor market. And not need to return to it as just said mr goddard both most of them. Need to with. But i don't think they should be forced to go to an employer and. Give valid reasons for the decided way. But don't you think that's some point in the world as i take graduate school. That's true a fifteen year old isn't sure as to whether she's going to get married when you reach graduate school. You may have that question pretty well result. Now don't you think it is a valid consideration. Because we can't have everything in life. You know and. Don't you think it's a valid consideration for a woman entering graduate school herself. I have to consider that if i want to i'm a great believer in freedom of choice.

As a right of she wants to make arrangements to have a child taken care of and that is her pattern of life. When she performs her duties as a mother that's her business and she ought to make that decision with her husband. Let's assume that she has moved that evaluation. And she wants to think in terms of. Staying at home while the youngsters the great. Soldier says that that is a valid consideration protégé her to take in line and worry she was going on the graduate school of the phone. Most certainly. It's the same about duration as a boy. In a which field. When he likes to have his training. What will be most sortable and most profitable for him. This is the same kind of the evaluation. Although it leads to something you know i knew the system was a complete cynicism about the possibility of retiring after the children or to professional medical patients the world. Some think

you're hearing. In the country and. I think the period up talking about it is all but in the to do exam think about it has begun but of course. The beginning so you. If you see what is being done at barnard now a draft plan has several more on. Those are all attempts to deal with two. We're doing it. You're fine i am not in for the cat and play but will you with the happiness include every. You'll begin to briefly. Read or a new trade or not trade bad you. You were rather. Lean towards serving marriages. Don't chew men. I have created none. Happy reputation for myself mrs roosevelt as being one of those who has raised his voice. In mild protest but continued in protest against. Rushing into early marriages.

For lots of complicated reasons not all of which are relevant to our discussion today. I think that. No young person man or woman should contemplate marriage until he's a free standing independent individual. To rush into marriage for reasons of seeking some kind of dependance situation i think is unfortunate for either party. I do think that the tendency towards the early marriage as we have all agreed is such that all of us. In education. Should look. To adapt our educational patterns. To assisting. Not only the young girl who is in her education. To finish her education but as was said a moment ago i believe we should think of ways by which we could come to the aid of the young woman or the young mother. With their children now. Out of the nest sufficiently so that she can

get back into a profession. A vocation. Or perhaps take up one which she had not yet been identified with and. I think it's it's. It's a very true thing that most of the. Colleges and universities of the country are in their differing ways. Of becoming more and more aware of this. How much of a revolution this will have on. On the education of women i don't know there are those who would say we should. Deliberately encourage them to take off and get married and. In their late teens have their family and then give them their college education. I'm not sure any of us here would quite favor that yet. But i do think they patterns are changing and that we must work with them. One of the things that worries me and i know i'm not supposed to make a speech. But. One of the things that worried me is it worries me i'm not sure that the young women at a certain point in here don't lose their nerve and.

Are perhaps the first. To refuse to make the judgment would you mrs russell were describing or. Make the evaluation of themselves that. The secretary was speaking to. I think at a certain point. Some of them are. Well to put it in their brains are too ready to carry a man's coat. Whether in fact they have the ability and training to go to rome. And they ought to recognize that they have the. Professional interest and perhaps. Ability and aptitude and they ought to make something of it so that in a way. Is change from. The ferry. To a partnership in marriage really. So that each of them has a right. For self development i would like to do a lot to progress. What do you think. The effect on the children is of a working mother.

As i read the evidence of a number of studies. Let's talk about research first everyone has opinions on the subject. There's been a number of studies. Made. About the effect of employment upon. Adjustment of the child the could then extending the rejection the next step dance of the mother. Types of discipline. And as i said. I would sum it all up by saying that they need back up employment. Appears to make little difference. That more careful in the study. The more the deadliest conditions are met on that income is compared for income class for clouds and so forth. Then less difference. Does the new fact of employment have. Up on all of these variables that our nation. As i was leaving new york. I received a report of a study which does this kind of a careful comparison. Well with regard to delete quincy.

Amazingly is this seat. Working mothers do not have a higher proportion of delinquent. And it is for the never cuddly reason that a mother can be at home and still lost that child property or other being called one. Burden. Or just being the sponsible and. That doesn't mean that. Working doesn't have any effect. It means that we have to think about it in a much more complex way. They can use the consideration the personality of the child and the mother and so forth and so on and so. If i were to have to get by category. It would be that some other schools work another school and. I'm afraid those same. Point of view. The development in other countries in the wells and particularly in. New countries this is russell. Do you think that.

There is going to develop a system. To help women. To get an education. Whereby they can be more independent or. Do you think the trend is. Way. Well i think first of all that the all of the new york countries are looking towards you or your country. And countries like mine. That is they were going to look good for us. Yes it is super all of us just a domestic problem it's also an international responsibility. I don't think we can run away from the. Neither in your country nor in mine and i mean the which would say. Some time it's so obvious it doesn't have to be said but nevertheless. If we were not running. About the children. We should not have to discuss what this. We make it clear that it's. Because the mothers. The women and

the father. Everybody is concerned about the well being of children. I dread discussing this. But we are also concerned about the. Women and their unhappiness and by that possibility to make the home happy hadn't. That comes down the difficulty and that's the woman's. Loyalty to her man and. Her home and to the society and to the other women and. I think it puts them in this. Specially. Difficult position. No i'm coming back to get into these young people and coming back to replay ning. And so on. Only a few years ago when we took up this question. India. A un commission understated so we mean and. In the ilo. We spoke about all of that we mean where that is to say women of property. We have at least where they are no more crowd old women

workers. Land it becomes more and more natural that they can come out in employment. And pearlie plaining own experience. Some studies. And the fact is that's what ever kind of education or training in what they have had to point maddest. Much easier to retain. Much easier to guide. Even in your field of training because they already have had the training of their minds their hands stay skinny. Even if they change in type. I know and again coming back to you and. I will ask you could put in. But it's not the students. In the teacher's college. Start there start this at the dirty old age from the i don't point to when they have had the training and experience of their own children. Because they could still.

Where strongly. And happily. But i would not only agree with you that they could start it. I would also argue that they could be taken carried through this training. At a probably a faster rate than a younger person. And i think that our training pattern our programme for such people at such an age. Should be very different. Then it is. With with the teenager. I think any of us for instance who taught in programs in the world or which involved. Older man officer training things and. Courses of this sort realize that you didn't teach a class of men in their thirty's the same way you taught. Teenagers. And i think we have a great deal of readjustment and new thinking to do. In colleges and vocational programs the various starts to take cognizance of these. Of the empire under

balls that experience gives. To these women and they've got a sighting. Do you think you have your point you want to make. I have a not like now. But the committee. I remember going back to one desk that. You asked me about the influence of employment upon. Children employment of mothers made us say that there seems to be a general agreement among child psychologists in this country. That you. T.f. does not meet the emotional needs of children under three. And the very many of the study is that i have. The site. The results of which i just cited. Deal with the effect of. Mother synthroid went up on the young guard to come but not not is actually a point you want to make the second. Yes. I would like to read one final point that the godless. Were we may be. You know how to treat. A particular problem.

Of women in employment or anything of this but i think we already reopen one thing that prejudice. Ought not to be a barrier against any person. Man or woman. Realize a useful potential. That they stick to a discussion of a problem. There's a lot to get rid of this prejudice and start from the considering what the problems are. Well. I think karen is merely running out and. I have. Will try to sum up what to me is very significant. Namely that i think we have practically said that in education. We must face new things. In the next few years. But we have new situations to me. And new problems to face. And that we may need to rethink our education. In a number of ways. I hear. I like

the idea that one could train faster. Perhaps at an older age. Not too old but a little bit more mature. And so i'm enormously encouraged by the fact that a grid a seems to be the feeling that the children are not really honed. About the fact that their mothers work. These two things stand out. And i think are important things and. Also that it's an international problem. And now i'm sorry to say i have to thank you all. And this is our last program for the season. So i want to thank all of our faithful audience and. Say goodbye. And i hope we will have your all together joining us next year. Better than it appears to

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