Inflection Point with Lauren Schiller; #35; Maria Klemperer Johnson--Carpentry School for Women & Diane Loviglio--Style on Demand

and martin verdict of american vets flock and inflection point conversations of women changing the status quo i learned <unk> today an inflection point what they really mean to do a man's job when you succeed at doing this quote unquote man's work is not taken as truth that women can do this work is taken as truth that you're an exceptional woman why would you let a total stranger and here comes with an arm full of quote i think happy thoughts really really thoughtful really really didn't fit her rehab clever johnson founder of cameras done perfectly school for women and i am honestly and founder of enhanced island service an enviable that's today an inflection point pick up the pieces my thirteen year old recently received a tool kit and tool bag as a gift

from granddad my ten year old got a badge and woodworking from the local community trip they were using jigsaw as he and sanders to make animal shapes for the local animal shelter what's unusual about these two events is that my kids are both girls and the girls using tools was more unusual when i was growing up the fact is that in the trades most workers carpentry an otherwise are still men my guest maria clever johnson thinks that this state of affairs the can and should change says she's opened a carpentry school for women called hammerstein in truman's bird new york welcome maria high hits it doesn't understand school at emerson school song it's a school that i started in in twenty thirteen we are a small business and we offer a short form a la carte class is teaching carpentry to women so much of our classes are the most popular classes are today basic skills class

on and we teased that about once a month and it said basic introduction to general carpentry skills recover you know really from the most fundamental like looking at the tools that carpenter scary how to sharpen a pencil how to measure and mark quickly and accurately leading a tape measure we get into cutting lumber with a handsaw and then with a circular saw so that's the most advanced power tool that we get to in that class and then we fasten things with a hammer and nails and screws i'm so that's our most popular class we teach other classes around more advanced topics longer classes we have a five day framing class in which we usually frame a tiny house we have a trim class we do some more wood working classes we do a picnic table class and so a variety of classes but they're all short and no classes or more than five days at least at this point so so the first goal you have to master is the ability to sharpen a pencil it's going to start with the air so

we're like well geez i learned how to do that and kindergarten right to pay money to a not so but also a carpentry pencil looks different from the standard number to be that you would use every day so it's rectangular it's sadder and it doesn't fit into a normal pencil sharpener on they do make a pencil sharpener switch will sharpen a carpenter's pencil but what it does is it to a set and that it doesn't make a very fine tapped and that takes it down into very round trip and i sharpen a carpenter's pencil using aid utility knife and it's really were wiggling so it's the same basic we're delaying action that you would do if you're in a widow in a stack on and that allows you to sharpen this rectangular lead instead of into a single point you sharpen it into kind of a chisel edge and so if you only have a point that sharp that when that point gets dull you're you're gonna have to sharpen your pencil again but with an edge they're usually a little bit more sharp edged

that you can use until you need to pull it nice and re sharpen your pencil and you're yelling i just learning a short novel you're learning life skills and they'll have a yearly my knife skills yeah you're learning how to do it right and it's actually it's hard to write it i you know i spent about fifteen minutes talking it through and showing how to hold the knife and how to hold the pencil on and the shape that you're going for and it takes students quite a while to master the use these techniques and down and then to achieve the shape they hear it but you're going for so it's not as easy as you might think so i'm interested in some of the projects that you featured your classes said the tiny house for as an example can you explain more about what that is and how you how you approach teaching how to build one offers another super popular right now so probably everybody has seen a reality show or a blog about tiny houses and there's no lake official definition of exactly what constitutes a tiny house but most people when you say tiny house invasion

at very very small house that is built on a trailer frame so it is portable so it it is about the size of an eight of an rv camp birch but it is built using normal house building techniques so it looks like a house but it's the size of an rv doesn't have the structural integrity have a house you could actually live in it doesn't have the same structural integrity so we build it an open up as many ways to construct a tiny house but we dolled ours using conventional state training techniques so you know we have with its built out of two by four lumber on the there's some difficult considerations that you have to take into account when you're building on a trailer instead of a foundation underground sea have to have a mechanical connection a robust mechanical connection to the trailer fridge so that when you do you transport this house suffered a fall off the trailer on and you also have to think about some of the wracking loads that this house might experience as its driving down the road but the

techniques are essentially the same as stick frame your house on the ground and that's why i like to use it as a teaching tool in our classes so because it's very small we can address everything that you would encounter in a normal house on a much shorter timeframe so we can in our stack them in class we can get to frame in the walls and finding the roots on and usually get to shooting them and cutting the window openings on if we were working on a you know a fifteen hundred square foot house or a lake or students in this five day class would spend all their time cutting studs in and nothing else so it allows us to address this on a shorter timeframe and yet all of the techniques are essentially the same as what you would encounter in larger construction so you started your career as a builder registering that you pursued it later in your life made it much later not that all that how why did you have a wise

assuming that you decided said do i actually studied computer science upon graduation in the mid nineties out of california i pretty much felt it would be remiss of me not to go work in the industry at that time having paid a lot for my education to not go try to recoup some of that by working in the dotcom bubble which we didn't there was a bubble at the time so i went and i worked for a short time out in north carolina and then i moved to seattle and i had a couple different programming jobs in seattle and i pretty much got sick of it i i was living in this really beautiful place where they're some really fantastic outdoor opportunity is really not that far away from the city's size in downtown seattle and yet i was really spending most of my time in this cubicle

and in fact you know all the woodwork in these big high rises in downtown seattle and the companies would occupy a whole floor of this building and of course all the marketing for those would have the beautiful views of the sound and all tax cuts for over on the other side where there wasn't much to look at so so i got tired of sitting at a desk i didn't feel really connected to the work i was staying and i also fell at a lot of people there we're in it for the money so i remember conversations where people would say ah how many years would you work you know eighty hours away at eighty hours a week at these tech jobs in order to retire when you're thirty five or four d and i was really interested in that and you know people would have pictures of the boat that they were going to buy our poster behind their computer so is really this attitude of working for the monetary reward instead of really feeling a connection to the work that they were doing and that's not to say that there are more people who are very connected to the work i didn't personally feel connected and i saw a lot of people who

were just doing it to make a lot of money and like i said i was tired of sitting down and looking at a computer all day so at a certain point i just decided to quit when i quit that job i remember even at that point is considering becoming a builder and i was looking into going to woodworking school in seattle is a really great community college that has a woodworking a country and a boat building program on that i was also considering going to graduate school in geology which was what about my minor in in college and i was driving across the country to go to a friend's wedding and i visited cornell and i wasn't even officially interviewing for credit score position at that point but my future advisor said we actually have a spot and you look like you'd be really great fed would you be interested in starting in january so this is in october and i really just fell in my lap and i always been enamored with the ethic area and you know kronos a prominent school and i thought well i can really turn this down on so as ashley did some traveling and when i came back

i missed her death occurred and started this program at cornell and i was pretty miserable it set i was in a very small departments there was a lot of sort of stereotypical academic infighting and weirdness that i didn't really appeal to me but most of us realize that i'm not i'm not really cut out to do pure research and a lot of what had attracted me to geology was sort of secondary to the actual work i was doing so when i look back on these two careers that i chose i see studying computer science as serve with a more legitimate way or at least in our current society working in tech is a legitimate way i if you have a college education too the old rates i'm always attracted i've always been attracted to construction and building and creativity and so doing that on a computer is something that's valued in our society so we pay people a lot of

money to build computer programs so some as facsimile of something that really appealed to me but when i got into it i just didn't have the heart for what it truly meant so then i need the other side of the building that really attracts me as this on the fact that you get a workout doors and with your whole body so working with your body in your mind and spending a lot of time outdoors and so what i was going after in geology graduate school was the opportunity to to do field work so i get to go to some really amazing places i got to do to field trips to south america what i realized was that even though i was just amazing places and culturally and geographically was really fascinating actually quite geology fieldwork so that's pretty darn important if you're gonna be outside looking at rocks of a rock celebration of what is not just geology fieldwork in jail but iraq's i really look at a lot of us so i was

a structural geology so we're looking at how old the you know the different layers of the earth are folded and faulted and the the mechanics behind that on its pretty interesting like you have to have a lot of really good three dimensional thinking because you have these these folds and faults and topography of these underlying layers of the earth that is an intercepted by a national surface of the earth and that topography in that it is not necessarily related to what's happening on the actual strata of the rocks that you're looking at so you have to deal to think in three dimensions to tease all that out and that's that's interesting fun work but it's just a lot of sort of tedious measurements investigation says poking around bentleys as was my experience of the field work that we were doing is it's it's it's sort of getting this really amazing beautiful spot and then focusing in and a whole lot of detail on one little part of it and i'm taking a lot of measurements on that and it's

just was not what i'm cut out to do so then do what happened will it what was the ministry trio well i after about a year and a half in graduate school and i was clearly you really miserable time i was unhappy and struggling really wished with day my work because a i didn't feel attached to it and this was really hard for me like it's it's hard to stay to start something and then decide to quit especially if it's something that's like really respected in our culture so deciding to quit a graduate program and i didn't even dropped out of the phd program in ghana masters i just quit our right so it was challenging and you know involved a lot of soul searching and tears and i have to say that my folks have always been very supportive of me finding work that i enjoy doing so so they were supportive in that but i did just quiet and at that point i was dating my future ex husband do the crew was working

in construction he was working for a dark build their own so i have an in into the industry and and at this point i had to realize that this thing that i had pushed off for so long thinking that it was a legitimate career i was like ok i've tried all these other options now i can now i can go and armed and try the thing that i really think i have the passion for so i have this and that come with my boyfriend sky and i and i had the desire to do it he actually got me a job working alongside him for a couple weeks for the stock builder this was in april in upstate new york and his boss three mil wetsuit told me to get in the lake and star rating gravel from this post like that where the gravel had accumulated over the winter from currents and i had i had spent about two days doing that and then decided that i would much rather get work on my own terms and really work in a cabinet shop that's where it where i started so the passes of that was i just cold called a whole bunch of cabinet shops and furniture makers in the air i think i talk to about five different people you know there are i got

a variety of responses you know i talked to one guy who builds little boxes to sell at the farmers market on the craft stores and he said in all pay five dollars an hour and you'd be standing little itty bitty bets pretty much every day four year tenure here and i thought that's not really what i wanted to even though in other really beautiful boxes shoe and i cut another cabinet maker who said oh this is greedy of computer experience why don't you come and for you know apprentice cabinet shop worker wages you can wear halftime in the cabinet shop and then the other half time building my website and i thought well i got out of computer work for a reason because i didn't really like it but if i were going to do it i won make the money that you can get to not work so i didn't take that job i finally took the job i'm at the red barn cabinet shop and ended up working there for two years says the small cabinet shop owner does a lot of custom kitchens in the local area and i loved it and then it was just

a great experience i learned at times it's just that every day was a learning new things as using my hands i was working with wood really beautiful wood an hours as just hot and so it just went from there we're talking with maria clever johnson who founded hammerstein school carpentry for women later in the show we'll talk with dianne the video the founder of booming gable she wants to take the pain of clothes shopping we'll be back right after this it's b it's b welcome back to inflection point conversations

with women changing the status quo and learned schiller my guest is maria carter johnson the founder of hammerstein's call carpentry for women so when you decided to start a hammer stands club well as their thinking iran and being just for women right ever since i started working as a carpenter there was only one stretch of the valley about three or four months where there was another woman on the job site with me on that on the crew that i was working on and then i worked for a very small organization sos usually smokers like one or two maybe three or four people at a time on a particular crew but even taking the sub contractors into account just to show up for a short amount of time and then disappear i was usually the only woman on the job site suffer maybe an architect or a designer or you know a sales person ends i was never really an issue for me read a beret and never face harassment on the job site on is it is a very progressive place for none of these employers was i the first woman that they had ever hired at all all worked alongside women before

but i was the only woman at the time so was annette an issue for them to hire a woman and so i didn't see any disrespect coming from my peers but at a certain point it started to bother me that i never worked with anybody who looked like me there's often a weird dynamic when third parties like salespeople or delivery people come to precious a salesman or delivery men come to the jobs they say i remember one time i had a window delivery came and the driver got out of the truck and at i could tell that i could lift more than this driver but she said to me oh these windows are really heavy each one and you get the guys to come help and so stuff like that really to have your your abilities questions at every turn is not very healthy for your own self confidence no matter how much you believe in your own self worth having continually clash and on

it's been rising and it's not just that questioning of your abilities it's also this sort of when people look at you as exceptional in what you do that can be demoralizing in its own right so you know i would run into people and you know they'd look at me in my car hearts and say oh what you do in it's a i'm a carpenter and that's a model that's really cool and that's amazing and most of the dunes that he ran into who say i'm a carpenter you don't say that's amazing it's not actually amazing work it's pretty i mean i think it's interesting but it's it's pretty mundane work so the fact that you're seen as exceptional for dinners where itch gets tiresome after a while there's also a lot of pressure as a woman working in a man's field to never screw up so i know that there's a stereotype that women can do this work and so in every single job there's this additional pressure that i can

screw up at all because any little slip is just a tick of proof that yes women can't do this work and and this is actually something that now that i'm teaching i see is it is it is a real detriment for women picking up these skills as adults the frustrating thing is that when you succeed at doing this quote unquote man's work it's not taken as proof that women can do this work it's taken as proof that you're an exceptional woman but any compliment i get well maria that's a really beautiful job always in the back of my mind there's a question like it saying that that's really beautiful job or they say no it's really amazing that a woman that this work like a lot of pressure to do it right the very first time which is impossible and stressful and then when you do succeed or not and turn up within your gender you're just setting yourself up as as special and so it just becomes tiresome after well so the women that are taking your classes trying to get into the

trade and so are they doing it for personnel project reason i would say that the majority of the women in our classes are hobbyists woodworkers and so we did sent out within you know our mission in creating this goal is to get more women into trades work into carpentry work specifically and at first that that first year when i was looking into his two year classes a little disappointed i mean how has woodworking is gay but i was like i want all these women to go out pick up into jobs an end to work in the field and make a change right away and so what i realized is this is still doing the work of achieving our mission because every single one of these women it's saddening setting an example for herself and for people around her so even just let people know that she's going to take this campaign to class or if she goes home and she starts doing work around the house and the kids scared and i worked those kids are going to grow up without the stereotype that daddy does carpentry and mommy cooks and cleans and so's right so all the sudden

were changing the kids use of of what is appropriate worked for for which people or the ten year career is why is all three of your careers have been a male dominated fields what's the best advice you've ever been given about being one of the only one of the few women on the team oh gosh i don't know that anyone has ever given me any advice on that i just kind of figured it out on my own i don't remember an attack that ever being addressed i don't even remember that there were lake special programs for women in computer science or lake there might have been like an undergraduate group for women in computer science but i've never participated in that and i remember that my undergraduate at pfizer was a woman when i went out and started working in that field there wasn't anything special for us nobody nobody giving us advice i do remember that

when i was a programmer didn't feel all like i was the only woman in the room like i do now now i was working for bigger companies of course there were women in the entire company but there are even other women programmers so i remember working alongside other women wore what advice would you give to someone who is in a similar position where they're one of the only or one of the few women i mean now is a tough one so it's really hard to let me tell you an anecdote that i think helps illustrate this i just read this this blog post about the democratic primaries that i thought was really interesting and this author laid out but the differences between a wholly content and bernie sanders that hillary clinton is making her way in this establish systems are both as a woman making her way in politics by adopting the things that you

need to do to get ahead in that traditional system and also as a as a politician trying to make change working within the system where is bernie sanders is really just trying to change the system and the softer brought up the fact that there are in her opinion she thought that if the genders were switched this would not even be a competition that we're still in a point where it is you are a woman trying to get ahead you still have to work within the system and that if you were a woman trying to be as radical as some like bernie sanders as being that you would not even get a seat at the table and so this isn't something that i think about a lot as i make my way as a woman in this man's field and eyes i see a lot of other other women builders that i know and honestly i don't know that many but i'm i see this train and some other women builders when they it really adopt this very a stereotypical email persona so sort of an aggressive personality and a lot of

bluster and on to serve san it like it is and talking with confidence and i find myself that i've adopted a lot of these sort of stereotypical organ of a religious are part of my personality beloved your stereotypical male trait so you know competitiveness and i'm just stating my case firmly you know on the job site i swear it i adopt a little bit of a swagger and often i just try to get stuff done without pausing and thinking about the most elegant way of solving a problem but at the same time a lot of these things are the things that bothered me most about the construction industry i mean i think there's a lot of sort of this dysfunctional eat raw and construction companies there's a lot of harassment and abuse and you know sexism and racism and dirty joke telling that is to sort of you know people are just like oh that's just the way it is on these crews

and so here i am as a woman trying to make my way in a man's world and yet ailes really want to change that world so i'm trying to do what this blog author of things is not possible to make it in this world and at the same time actively change this world so i can't say whether i am successful or whether it will be successful but that's what i'm you know day to day plunging ahead trying to do knowing way can think that you know to do the work that i love and have it be an environment in an environment that i feel comfortable and one workin oh maria thank you so much for talking with me today think it's been a real pleasure there was nary a clever johnson founder of hammer stern school carpentry for women in truman's bird new york thinks disappearance for suggesting we talk with maria coming up after the break we'll talk with dan the vaguely out the founder of beyond indeed all a mobile app for personal style she wants to take the pain out of clothes shopping we'll be back right after this potato

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inflection point with the ability to order an almost anything these days groceries meals bucks and technology enabling many of us to work from home you might never need to leave the house allowing us to live our lives in sweatpants but you do need to leave the house sometimes and look like you've got somebody into it now there's an appetite that serves about the desire to stand and the need to look like you don't dan lee leo is the co founder of being gay bar and she's attempting to address the dressing challenge with a new business she describes as style ordered him welcome diane thank you thanks for having me so tell us about being gable and why you started it so good and evil as a model out that some the personal stylist her house now we bring in the clothes to you want to try them on when every don't want we bring back to the stores for you so it's super easy and i started it because i absolutely hate chopping mayfield yeah just the heights

of finding what goes with mining plan where there's and is the right size it used to wear this size now you're in the store and they don't have the right color any lakeshore ordered my house that may not fit differently now for jeremy lin on why more insight cash so it is financial hunt really frustrating end and time consuming ombudsman rise there are tons of people that loved doing that so it just may get a more convenient way to shop is how fungible came to be and why is a mobile app why is that part of it important yeah because our say let's use an app as well to go shopping for the client and then the client to fill a profile and then set their appointments often the answer just like you always have your phone with me you wanna or you get a little preview said that at the store in this is what i am getting for you or is it are just surprised when they show beard or years where we've selected know it's total surprise on even say no i can the three new coming out i wanted a specific type of dry ice you know something i don't normally wear by it's really about here is where we're curious why do you hear the

types of clothes that i need and then this fascist figures it out for you and you talk obviously in the visit an untried on ancient holy see from your face the fighter well then are now and then for next time i say that recommendation could better and better armed but we feel if we show the things before hand and i feel like work again an icon all i mean i guess so many like you said yes and you bring that but the family didn't do just that answer right now just adds a total surprise that it makes a really convenient is that you literally don't have to think about other than our own the sinuses at her home she and her new creative partnerships with certain retailers that their parents had to go to for the shopping yeah yeah so we have a whole winter retailers we keep on adding new ones om and that's where we know watson start with the current store so we can pull on and tory from there can you take us a little bit inside their development process in terms of trying without anybody try it out on your friends had a figure was working was to take us inside one of the experience that you did just thrilling yeah so i was always very first client and then one of my co founders of their

first violinist and so she went shopping for me knowing like what i mean nice allowed our first run of the profile she went shopping didn't taught me all about what she was bring yuri think now we had forty items in our first random as we're now entering twenty items and until months on that than we had forty and she's super fast that we actually got through it but it was a bit of a whirlwind and as i was a lot of pieces that happens online check on the damage of the storm brought my house yeah my family didn't want their friends and family because their cellular be honest rachel so yeah so we just on friends of friends and people that literally did not know was to say yeah no i it chatting to her i really have a hard time or you know on the t ted never find things in store i go okay perfect word attack alive and so we did just a handful of clients and then they're like weed says is real and they start to be like is this real and you were working and why google spreadsheets scanner figuring out all about these many items as much as cost of a scenario us there's news you know om all behind the scenes but

i'm when they won its referred to other people but we really think ok we have something here and what's really going to suffer ill shit so this isn't your first are at now and you graduated from college with a degree and anthropology architecture anthropology so when you got out of school what did you think you wanted to get a house i thought on the b and green construction worker many like literally building with your hands i mean kind of the hammond is on the high court with great materials and men we did this project an arm occurring on consular tough on and actually got to be literally a green georgia moment and then i realized like that's hard work and it's on the wakefield materials and doesn't understand all the intricate ways about the national data centers is going to be doing more consulting obviously i'm not actually billing thanks guys careers on with the merrill is the architecture industry business to smile for me and dominoes an accident left on the tank but i first heard of was as service and helped to save money on their energy bills says tol in the

sustainability mindset and then i parted with another kind of gun tec starts before so it only made sense that's how i came to be but i did not point to california for tech how would you know as an accident yes oh i didn't know how powerful technology to drill in the name of the greenland so tons of your scientists my boyfriend now husband and their science there was only around alone but through that aman uses an accident that but i got into startups and general but then when i really isn't actually being a cr being cofounder started was all about solving a problem by using the world unlike coming up with a solution and then it's in this form of a star in their eyes like oh yeah and i'm telling the right place so i says your degree in architecture and he wrote he helped you in being an entrepreneur totally totally selling architectural been like i don't call myself a design error led to fly can you know see if things are good or not in terms of visual design but morse and

anthropology widget school was always kind of more of an understated thing but i come out here i realize that people called it on user research and i think he's a research is still connor finding itself as a field on what is user research yeah see i mean i haven't they also attack and survey research as he surveyed only sees a research is really costly asking why so usually team up words product managers and and designers right side x u x designer is likely make all the mock ups are so like okay here's how you want to look on the screen or never and then he's a researcher well after that he didn't show it to a user and ask them questions about how they're using it an analyst just watch your bleep everything they say nine months ago what they actually do with their behaviors but then is a recent years are also awesome this is where i think it's more aligned with a c l is before any things ever belts they're trying to say like what is

the problem what should we even be building and so i think his research toy comes in there to scan more than the flavor of the nih it's practiced and you did that hat at a company that was not your startup raped yes i did that as a lawyer makes firefox is the first party abuse researcher i was so wet weather has having a senate already a working in a large company what'd you learn from those experiences that are helping you develop your business now for someone else ah i wear and bad ever wasn't wholly passion of the mission it was like now worth doing in that sketch you know after spending some time as though i realize my heart really wasn't in the work mean more scientists and they're really removed myself from there and do things that we know is going to do next i knew that it would be selling a personal pinpoint we're talking with diane lane the founder of ballooning gable a mobile lab for personal style will continue our conversation right after this news

he says this isn't such a point i'm lauren shuler were talking with family and the founder of banning gay bar a mobile app for personal style i understand your critiques irate or five hundred startups what does a program like that do for your what did you free up yasser was really great in helping us attract talent are investors and just helping us realize you know how you grow grow grow and discuss life thinking about how you grow whatever you're doing and honestly that congress' don't just grow grow grow on several us last three months hence down by focus on the sparrow pajamas slimming done before but isn't validation to arms and to do that that time was just really important say you just focusing on your idea yeah you were before to write before you know and but then you're with like three other companies are also write your gullet is they won an you know they nineteen better something else to

show for it is a tunnel a lesser imagine that there's a ten bn care if they're like project runway and it's currently taking an annuity and telling you that you messed up in egypt in a different way or what what's necessary on air vents so even though no not at all because you know there's also no nos hear your start a parent yourself sitting there i mean there's tons of renters in natanz and it isn't actually mentored of five hundred before becoming the founder of random stops by yet no one knows your business better than ourselves in an essay on the train as i yes and it didn't work and he did that you know five months and are you know he did that or not to do it again or you know that that employer we did that before and maybe now it would work because of the things that we've changed on since march there's like tons of ideas for interviewing captain rise like they're all they all could be good they all could've sunk so only now take one see you now and then but the zone or taking on iran see about what's meant as a son grow grow grow

woods i mean yeah citizens get new users you can find uses for prominent than any second which is a problem or has it also prompts announcement pay you and does that does accommodate some kind of pitched a year and there's a demo day and voters tell us that you're denied a miser to a co founders and one of them is my husband tillman ends the day we got selected for the first day of feminist art of sitcom thing is about three nine to six months pregnant is showing a little bit om and no one at feinstein's knew that until a song that first day in the nato insane thing really respectable that's in the study they had their day you know i just totally broke the ice was like yeah so when star monday and as i think you know the baby's gonna come out like that same day or week know like oh my god you're right and also like yeah so think about one side they can and it says this is my day weapons are done if

owns a term sounds awesome cannot a week before their mundane almond so until i ended up doing the pitch and it needed a great job we're still in the hospital i think the date to dinner or the hustle for two days after there is a practice of the demo day and so deal or you left the hospital in egypt share of the house or he was going to have a guy arno an end just her neck left in the intel trained on finance and you do that on the day and also miners they read that we went home and then we had to actually go to the actual damage an enlarged del om ba ya and a new start up an mtv where you were you the only person i have this they're here for e startups that was pregnant bell totally yeah i mean and then there are other parents and that in the group to which is great you know it's not like they're only twenty years old and like i was like this old lady around but you i'm pregnant i'm not as a first and to be pregnant and they're armed and trained

yet another was the firs but innocents then a lot of it's going to be with a lot of other women that have been and in a star of minerals and fiber and start ups while being printed see can mentor them just to like hey that sounds like it isn't as well have had you know your husband is one of your founders union you're putting into to the company so how do you handle that and not having a and now twenty two month old yeller yes oh we have we have really great hall on deals that desire full time caretaker smith amazing could not do that without him and then that don't have a date nights once a week where we you know try not to talk about work actually an ounce like so normal aha moments but air traded entities and discover explore town ends on yet as you always can inject that balance what's the what is a typical workday lay community does that he is going home early for the you know yeah so we add that work you know we say just get your work done it or whatever skipped work done but i do read in the morning so i like to come again and i'm not really polite by nine

early i realized that our months but then on the plane to work after i get home but the slam a calendar invite every other day to leave to go to jostle them until has on the other day so we hardly ever in atlantic meaning together it's about we're always gonna someone's getting johnson and then the other one is like shirley behind but at least you don't have the old stuff that we're doing at the exact same time on that be pretty stressful seeps in and out in advance his nest egg holy what have you got your fundraising round since you started yeah and then what is that experience been like getting together with your eyes that yes so i had just actually pitched on my own arm usually the ceo does pitches and spat it's all the sun isn't on television not actually going to tell you now every first investors of about mahler and five hundred startups alum they're an awesome seem fines and spits them or scrapes and then i realized that you know on my first meaning to use a phone calls and then and then i'll meet them in person after it you know i rise even the sky

meeting and i said oh wow i just write from our bike you know that is just cut off from like my top out like she told williams seen as like oh i write this without looking at it i saw i like stressed about betting on finite amount of like cell doesn't it dame bit like the cameraman show they're in a way i might bump up really soon and down and her in her other part of the fun both throwback and said oh we love mom founders why we needed to tell them because i don't want them like fine art from some autonomy but i didn't i wasn't keeping images didn't come up with that i felt like i would be keeping it if they fell from six thousand dollars is not so bad in an email i clearly explained like that you know just rambled and some remarks on and they're like nuts telling corner like rebelling two senses that lead right away and i was like ok ice and the sooner we love monsanto's that they didn't elaborate and

well you know they said they said that we were women better raising a family and i accompanied the same time isn't there more the more time efficient they like that is to get to what they need to do so that you have you read into the opposite effect rants this a couple people saying oh husband wife and then i had to stay home and just wanted to like you know ten couples and i know justin sayre isis go on there all running in a multibillion dollar companies so why do you think we get and then i realize that someone brings it up the migratory not a good fit for downing me on that are going on and you know if they decide to start a business together on soul gills first company and gun body and he was at a big tech company and i was at a tech company and we both want sale leave around the same time ebola hundred pinpoint around the same time and you want to get into consumer on tank ends and i obviously on the stay in consumer attack and we just realized that we'd been consultant for each other in

various times i can start up a microphone just rip consulted for a little bit and then when he you is i use it's a scale i was doing some user research for them they're on and has projects reporting on the reformer we can be super fun to just start something from scratch together and how to go with he was having fulltime jobs and then leaving them and then neither of you having fulltime jobs are yes we both we're like the paints a sedan inside boss again that need to ok ok and some and you know i took the train and together and then hey girls like eleven o'clock as amended by bus a heads up like a retard today and she's a ghetto in iran on a mike also sounds like it is maybe ten i have to tolerate summer we were for a walk around the park and i was like soul and leaving only entitles day for two weeks are never by you know an emirate after that a texan guillen said i just wondered did you tell the tiger and he was like yeah

i'm like ah okay on a backboard now by a news item on the train and an inn on the way back did you know did you have any regrets after that i mean that must be very scary is that we have know that and i don't know you printed that time the hyatt hotel and read the fat yeah i mean so he's got your income stream totally i mean i guess it wasn't that scary actually because i don't start before and the loss of a star before second item you are getting into a nose to want to hear but it wasn't as scary as the violence and i mean we like we're planning mr lyles like we woke up one day like you know like what's a little bit it's a little bit more of a legally dubious now some time let's go and you had the idea already knew that it was doing some some version of the idea the deathly want to do something to help shopping become easier but there are a whole bunch of the whole bunch but

we had a couple really bad ideas are ideas that can get past in their states syria right now business is really brand new just launched in the last little beret yeah yeah just a couple weeks ago we republican launches our cisco sitting revelation did you have big plans for expansion like what's your what's your big mission your big vision yeah and the thing is to let everyone have a personal stylist and to do just make shopping and easier activity for folks especially ones that are super busy and some employers either time over money this year were still in our car model is go slow to go fast so yancy osborne up this year like kansas city is owned by once he really now the first wanted to then weaken them can scale pre fast where what's your personal connection to your interest in fashion and it's incidents like this fashion as close as isabelle like making peoples' lives

easier but really what it comes down to and this is just one way that still three backed risen hasn't been tackled yet like you're shopping in stores in the mayor's economy think he can solve all your problems and then it doesn't simulate shipping back like tons of boxes that you like so how is this better than just going to the store opened august or has its own problems too so dr nunn there's a village like filling a box company is trying to solve you know its great like that's like i think the three numbers like v for is like ok what if we send actual stylist her house with the clothes that help you understand how to wear them and how to keep them and how to fit them and your wardrobes was a much better experience all around was the best advice they've ever been given about handling change yeah sometimes she does great sometimes a super tough on best advice all you know i started

conference called felton does is write still during my clean energy startup days rain so like ten years ago i started conference down a whole bunch of famous people i transferred over and drove from her being be right before they were really had the devil you know that there are going be successful i am talking about their failures in the past sinai so produced that conference for dissent probe on a religious on the side with with another woman and we did that for about five years toiling before cell europe was like whoa still tebow like now they say like sell your life or filth and says no no no like the bourne not talking about this you know italian a whole bunch of people just hang up the phone because of failures a constant drag on says our coverage out we talk about well so i and that's not to say that i'm totally comfortable a failure which is i don't think anyone is and so change change is tough you just gotta believe in yourself i guess bits that seems cliche but if you don't believe in it then tickling

and other decision but other people believing it and you know i'd done enough and do your best work serving time comes back to that whole like do you believe in their mission are now they're like you know like i think shopping socks and booing it was gonna solve that and you know there was someone else's thing you know i can get behind that by it like it really really socks and so i'm really really going to fix it in the sudan speaking with yo yeah thanks so much there was i am a deadly at the founder of burning gave out a mobile app for personal style that's an inflection point for today is there one and changing the status quo you'd like to hear from lettuce now that influx of my radio dot org and while you're there and it becomes a feature of the lake devin gaffney and can spot for helping bring the voices and views of powerful when engineers at every time and you can too at infection play radio dot

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