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alissa is anything from the time how you know i am still here or here ok yeah but now because i can hear you right before now though that's perfect ok great now right well then let's get started in all what you're saying yes you could pass i'm so glad for you had susan she is the best so she really just a great job and she is amazing you know or how you came up with his project got involved in his prior to give me a little background on a place well it's the tennessee holocaust commission and and i should start by saying that we're very unique state and having our own holocaust commission that matter how many there are but we are lucky to have one tennessee holocaust commission several years ago decided that this was part of their mission to educate people in the state about the holocaust wanted to put together a project where we photographed and interviewed as many

survivors refugees hidden children liberate years people with firsthand knowledge and experience and the holocaust arm but this project together gathering information putting it together in some format exhibit publication web site and that project became living on hug before i even got involved with it about twenty years ago when i lived in miami i did a similar project where i photographed than two hundred survivors and did some interviews with them at the time no one as far as i know in the entire country had done a project where they combined photographic portraits and testimonies from survivors are so i worked on that project down in miami and a kid the kid ran into some problems later on i was unable to pursue it any further but i've always been looking for a similar project to two continue

to have the people on the holocaust commission are at ut here in knoxville bob levy is a vice president for the university of tennessee and delia schmidt is the head of our jewish studies program program and head of the religion department here they both knew about this project and had seen my previous work and they suggested that i would be a good one to to work on this project so they put me in touch with the holocaust commission we met how worked out all the arrangements they hired a writer and the two of us along with some other people traveled around the state we went to all the major cities several times and did these interviews and made these photographs and that's where we are today as we say what an odd question rahm but as the photographer obviously you were hoping to capture a great deal with each photograph that had been that has to be

quite a charge on the i mean that's quite a burden to work what were you trying to capture this is one time say what were you hoping to show through these photographs well of course photographers do that in general they tried to say everything with that one instant where they snapped the shutter and hope that what they're trying to communicate gets across i guess what i'm trying to do with these portraits is show a little something about the humanity of the person who went through this horrible horrible experience show their strength on one hand their fragility on the other hand one of the things we did is we knew we did the interviews we videotaped an audiotape and we spent probably typically an hour with each person and was only after that

interview that i mean the portrait of course to put the person in a certain frame of mind which and i once it made it easier for a good way to put it but then we sat down and they were worth reflecting and when they sat down for me i had brought a little portable studio with me a backdrop and a light in a camera on a tripod i look through the viewfinder it was amazing because i had to do very little of the face that i saw in my viewfinder was already the picture that i had in my mind and i don't know if that was a skill or luck or the circumstances and i'm sure it had to do with the strength of the person sitting there if you think about it you know with these people went through these just unbelievable experience as they have lived with those for all these years some of them have shared their experiences with family with friends with

school children some have not we interviewed someone who had never spoken about her experience with her children before it was too painful and she was opening up jobs for for the first time so when that person would then sit in front of my camera i asked a few more questions followed up i wanted it make sure to put them and he's but i didn't have to do very much i just had to make sure that i was there i knew when the press the shutter i fill the frame with their face i wanted mud to deface to be what was important and when i saw those pictures after i have them processed i was just i was i was delighted in and what i was was able to achieve how when when people see these photographs and they are large they're larger than life of a single face of the time they're very powerful they're even more powerful when you get to read something about that person and that's that's the strength of this project

is is it combines the he still image with with well crafted words so it's very important that the job of the writer an interviewer i'm don smith formally from nashville i was very important in putting together these interviews making the arrangements and then asking difficult questions and listening to these difficult answers can we work together very strongly and the results should he look at the picture you get a certain experience you read the words you get another experience you put them together and you get another experience i can't begin to imagine the emotional involvement you must have felt sitting and listening to these people tell these stories and again you had the experience in miami and chose to repeated again it would seem to me would be who i am now incredibly

heart wrenching it was that there is something about the holocaust and i'm not sure if it's just for jews because information about the holocaust their seems to think there is a continued interest in it as we see from books from movies for all kinds of projects there's the continued interest so it's in me it's in it's in my blood and i don't have ancestors who perished in the holocaust dawn smith i think may have had some so we may not have that personal experience but it is part of us and you feel it is so important to continue to listen to the stories and tell the stories it's important because it we still haven't learned our lesson i think it was in dresden germany just a few days ago where there was a some sort of our remembrance of sixty

years ago i am an actress who was the liberation of auschwitz or with the remembrance was but there was the biggest group of far right on nazi sympathizers that they had seen in germany i think since the war as long as that continues to happen it is so important to continue to tell the stories to know is it isn't is it important but we felt that it was an honor for us to be doing this week we we would spend days where every hour with it without break we would be speaking with people had been hearing these stories and we were exhausted mentally or emotionally at the end of the day but we constantly felt like this was something very special that we were a part of how we reminded the people that we photographed and spoke with that it was our pleasure and heart our honor to be able to hear

their stories we were just so grateful that that they decided to share them with us so it's painful it's hard to do but it is so necessary and then and i think at the end of it i think when we see this exhibit hopefully someday see a book where so proud of being able to do this work when i realize it's like picking if you think your favorite child and so once they tell me you know what was that most moving story or your favorite photograph from this collection but if you would share with us a moment and or a photograph that when you think of that that revelation or you look at that photograph in really really strikes home it moves you well david there is no one but that that there are several experiences that package share with you one one is normally we would set up in a synagogue or jewish

community center in a public area and then invite people to come to be photographed but some people could not make it for those times and we did go to some people's homes there's a woman in nashville and we went to her house and she put out some tea and some refreshments for us it was like visiting an aunt it was just a very pleasant experience and i set up my backdrop i took over for living room we started to chat we found out that we didn't have a certain kind of plug adapter sosa someone else who was there went out to the local hardware store to get it and just left the two of us and she started to tell me about her mother and her sister and some some difficult difficult experiences she started crying a little i started crying a little and then came to make the photograph an end she was an upset anymore in fact she had a nice smile on her face and i said something like that is a pretty

serious thing it you probably shouldn't be smiling she started laughing and she couldn't stop laughing and then i started laughing and couldn't stop laughing and i thought look at look at what experience we're having here out of this out of this horror and yet we're here enjoying ourselves is the experience of and i guess if you look back at those sixty years or so and you can see that people survived some picked it despite the odds some people survived and made her here to laugh and then to tell their story and then it didn't work like what hitler wanted to do we certainly had his successes but it didn't work because people are still hear people are still telling the story so it that happened so many times where is difficult story there

was you have to remember but this person made it they made it out they made a family there are kids their grandkids they're still hear those are powerful we talk to will liberate yours as well that was those were interesting experiences time jewish gi is american jewish gi is a one over there as liberators i imagine that experience i can begin tonight a concentration camp a concentration camp survivor barely barely their season american gi and the energy i start speaking yiddish to them just just an amazing thing what what i've found interesting as well as we traveled around the state we found it who would think in tennessee that you would have really any population of survivors of vibrators but but yes there are there are many on that a number of people were at the same place at the same time it was the liberation of dachau

we spoke with several people who were liberated years several people who were in the camp and all these years later they are in the same state of tennessee and i found that very interesting but some of the liberal or stories we talk to one man who basically said i grew up in a small town in tennessee never saw any jews before never saw anybody was dead before he said i saw a dead cow i never saw a dead person and all of a sudden they were concentration camp and they saw that the bodies and smell the smells and it changed his life forever changed his life forever as as you would imagine one story after another i think the photographs there are somewhere you might get a little more from the way the eyes look you might have a little more feel about the emotion of that person i think its true with many of them but some a little stronger than others but here's something interesting i've been working on these

photographs now all year or two and i just finished putting them all together and matching them framing them getting them ready to ship and they've been sitting in my photo lab all summer long and part of last semester and last week they finally shook them to nashville and i felt i felt a little empty and they weren't there anymore i feel i feel very protective about these people because you look at the photographs for so long you concentrate on all the details so much when you put them together when you print them and frame them harm it's it's it's a powerful thing and an and i miss them high it will be interesting when i see them and national many of these people will be at the opening and will be a joy to see them again have any of them seem the actual photographs that you've taken some have of last

spring at the yamaha show which is the yearly holocaust remembrance day every year in nashville in the capital there is a there's a brick remembrance ceremony and last year we previewed this project abroad peter nine of the photographs with me and we set them up in the capital and several of those people were there and they were so moved and so emotional and when i saw them again i was so moved and emotionally we hired that they thought i was doing something brilliant and i thought no no no no there it's it's it's their life that's brilliant it's it's their survival that that's so powerful so in it i expected to have more of that at that the exhibit as people see the room photographs and death that's going to be a remarkable experience didn't even go oh absolutely absolutely it's just i photograph one couple from nashville most of the

photographs are for individuals but there was one couple been together since the war also a national couple and depp resented their photograph of the young washoe ceremony last spring they were there and their daughter was there and i had a chance to talk with her daughter and she asked me if she could get a print of this photograph and i said sure i'd done a venture will be giving everyone a print but i made a prayer for her a couple of months when biden get a chance to send in finance and she sent me back a letter that had moved me to tears she said that she saw her parents' in and in another light in a new light from really for the first time through this photograph and she said it made her appreciate her parents and love her parents even more here and boy you sure want want to get that kind of reaction when you make a

photograph you certainly don't expect it but it was it was really something new you know use it and excuse me you cynthia the tennessee and the gentleman born in the small tennessee town who is a deliberate years and talk about how it changed his life i can't obviously in doing this project has changed your life absolutely absolutely and has a set it i got us started this in miami the way i got a start with this of course the miami is a place because of the large jewish population that you would expect to find a number of holocaust survivors and that was true and i grew up jewish i grew up in new york and this is not a new thing to me but my wife and i were online come to buy theater tickets one time in miami and we notice the people in front of those elderly people didn't think much about them but for the first time we saw the tattoos on the reform side never seen that before and it got me thinking you know

these people who were lucky enough to still be with us there just like anybody else there are just people there and and yet they were there are around us and i felt that this was one way to teach people about the holocaust you know it's so difficult sometimes to to watch the movies and look at the photographs and historic photographs of the the brutal scenes and very difficult and certainly difficult for for children get to see any of that but i thought this is a way to educate people as to what went on through these personal experiences and can do in a quieter way you get to look at the person you get to stare at them you get that stare at their face you read their words go back to their face make a connection merits it's what you can do with a still photograph i think it with a strong portrait someone someone once said dynamo i showed slides to my

students all the time and one famous photographer was quoted as saying if you look into someone's eyes long enough you can see into their soul well that doesn't always happen but if you can make it happen and a photographic can be it can be pretty powerful and it had i hope i've been able to do that at least some of the time then and quick known symbols there are forty four photographs in this exhibit very first exhibit yes we have about sixty two all together for the state but because of the size of the space at the frist will be showing us forty four then went so when the exhibit travels will all sixty two travel then it depends on what spaces available at the museum's that will be showing it it's the kind of thing that's it can be customized for different locations if it shows in knoxville and we want to show more of the knoxville in chattanooga and nashville he might leave out some of the people from memphis only show in memphis we will concentrate on those people so

we can show a number of different ways one that works arm it really of their priest or even after hearing yours i've just finished reading his brand of books just come out now gets it was sent to me it's called them hypocrite and a fluffy white house and done though the author is jewish and one of the more the chapters is her experience as a reporter for a jewish newspaper in new york and she was sent with a bunch of sam a young american jewish teenagers on this cultural tour of europe which is she said basically was the plan the un which of the concentration camp a tour and she said that you know the first few places they went you know things are pretty dug been beyond these are teenagers you know and they're all well maintained a picture here what the sinuses are shooting all that and she's just you know she's just she's younger self interest washes their twenties and

then you know she's a sign god this is so stupid and lovable anyway they fine go to an i care memo which concentration camp ritchie she goes and then for some she gets separated from the group and she's buyer self and that he doesn't have this building and then one room it's just all the eyeglasses you know they're just all piled up there and in another room at hair and she walks through these rooms and all of a sudden she just loses it and totally breaks down and she says until that time i always thought me and my family were different we wouldn't have ended up in a concentration camp we have talked our way out of it or we have escaped or you know we've done the answer we've done man and she said she said that seeing those things and realizing no other there was no talk in your way out and there's no getting out of this there was no way around it if you were jewish and you were there

you were in the concentration camp and un if they resist such a powerful story cause she's just been this flighty little you know bimbo up until this tree waiting for her to have that kind of an epiphany really is the pivot the book and now your story about seeing the couple in front of you with the tattoos on their arms and then and then taking these photographs you know it's it's the same thing it has to these kinds of things are so hard reflects oh terrible but i think we try to push him away from us sure because we don't want to take the man until something like that happens that makes us realize we can pretend all we want to but it's real and very often it is the visit from a holocaust survivor to a school that gets the children interested gets the teachers interested just like a paper cut project is a tennessee example when you when you hear when you make that personal connection with someone he can be very powerful unfortunately

that's not gonna happen for ever people are getting holder more frail and unfortunately in hindu to him a number of years there won't be survivors left and so it's our hope that this will not take the place but but in some way to be able to continue the work that that some of the survivors have done today to tell their story so that yes a light bulb goes off and some kid's head and maybe it causes them to read another book maybe it causes them to go to a museum to get to pursue their interest and there's just a little further and every tiny spark someone's interest like that it's it's it's telling a story and making sure that it continues to be told that's what's important about it i couldn't agree more what a great exit line robin thank you but thank you very very much you've been terrific and i'll e mail you and let you

know for sure when the features on and down the maginot the senior at the first in a while they'll be greater a reporter me to art thanks again so much a fake id ok can you hear me yeah for july ok great well the first thing i wanted to ask you is om you know the first center would discuss teams we're there in terms of money do you expect the frist center to make money to breakeven to run in the red what's the story the whole plan for the first one was first conceived in years ago was that i would never make money it's an experience designed to be an educational center out with a nation free to people eighteen and under and low cost all others and i am not

a great a cost for exhibition space so we projected from the very outset and a significant a deficit are subsidy needed and i was a whole promise on which it was done then and satan doesn't invest in things and make money it strictly rest of nonprofits asked for the study that we did with the nation's agenda on the steering committee weekend tunisian this was probably the most important contribution is as one major initiative that we could make so we all ought to be a major money user with a major surge to native and we committed to the mayor and the council when we took that on that that would be a major city and that the first foundation this family would cover that and no and we could not be more pleased with it with what we've done and the results were getting particular now not what's happening is that as we have progressed says attendance has increased particular there's phillips' exhibition there's more revenue coming

in through admissions their memberships and force awakens sponsorships are part of the show's great sponsorships will always be a her sons donated and we have are basically established a level of us we estimate that we read though about five million a year for toyota for center for its operations and that was the plan was about three million and never have about five million ms richie what we wanted to but they're we're wholly funded canadian when we started the process we knew it and we announced it and we told been going on for so this week told everybody that we were dealing with a major commitment of the first foundation was going to be the first center for the visual arts and that we would give less money on to gradually decrease in bases with not just arbitrarily cut down on things but less money directly from the first foundational to the organization's particular or

services because we said this is a major commitment to the arts and that we have a dry cleaner and began to supplement that can't grant program with the fact that while we are not directly responsible forty eight c a foundation are for other first family related grants we were very closely with them in the mind is the amount of money that's being given to the committee from the first foundation gates a foundation first related interest is greater now than it was five years ago but the phrase violation per se is giving less money than digital committee but primarily to other arts organizations because we set a major initiative that we would the n word well that of course is something that i've heard also from arts organizations as well is that the first center for the visual arts is taking

so much money from the foundation that other people aren't left hurting they get about a month and you'll know the truth about the fact is we have only gradually reduced contributions that we've made of the arts and when i look at the arts organizations really pleased with most of them seem to be growing most of them to be part of a great job of developing other sources of farms from other donors and sources and sponsors of the us and the uk and so we're pleased with that but we met when we were going out of years ago that when when right before we opened the senate that this would be our major commitment to the arts for the future and that the reporter rob dollars would be to their respects of the commanding we every year the first foundation history pride is no black has ever given more than a year and we always re apportioned

parties based upon a maze what we think the problem is be invested major initiatives that we were undertaken center for nonprofit management of things have been affected all and i think you'll find an area of human services and commanding actor so the arts most of those organizations have been affected at all so about five years ago at the foundation was very small not at a foundation major right and many of the things that the first foundation otherwise would have done at a foundation and the first family is also still might imagine that say the united way in other health and himself as a recession and the minister though so i can catch him quit you may be hearing some common from some arts organizations who are used to getting larger sustaining grants they're still getting sustaining grants would gain less a major major maintenance mobility and we made that statement a long time ago

we could not be more pleased that the first foundation of tango speaker carl and chris first family with him on the first to center is doing exactly what we wanted to do and bringing in huge crowds and really bringing those great art to them and eventually i think the prism of job of promoting the stated outsiders too so we think it's a great investment vermont's of purpose we might well done tony but don't tell anybody i said it but i agree with you that's all i mean this is again i am so sorry that you're so sweet what you know what's weird about hospitals is cell phones more work and we were i am very much thank you

larry to get a project to accomplish that it's a slam dunk for the municipal leaders to another case and it takes quite a bit of tension and insight i get into leaders on a day by meeting with their purcell i've met with an awful lot of merit a lot of roma leaders of poor governors i have literally but is impressed with the glares a love by a beautiful leader like i feel purcell head and before that a particular kind of project but mr lilly a lot of the most impressive me is as he talked about the integration of minor leagues port of tripoli baseball with major

league sports much as the nfl and nhl would normally have a nickel and he goes it's a clever clever orange who were to go through the higher level nhl and a fellow with the more affordable and more family friendly my early interviews which our show wherever there are ten bridge toppled the soul mate with a major switchboards so old this is a matter of what the va was fortunate few to the fuel and hay and watch later church more industry and more businesses don't want to relocate to the us for

years he says not much below or was that pretty clear over the speaker after the city you can open up with what are encumbered by the speaker or not no i don't think so ok sharon and i'd say we're all they're a very long portion of the interview on a lot of off the type up and such as does not own but also you tell you what what should they look at all that you're saying that because the first half koreans are you saying that the b sounds what they're proposing are a lot of what they the sounds of imposing is very conservative financially aren't buying what what exactly is

conservative about their proposals candidates when the phone well our first told me if you do you are to look at what's going on in triple a baseball the very and the scope of most to the character of memphis soul certainly what is being proposed in nashville is very very modest by comparison to a project recently completed in memphis the demands on the infrastructure would be much less in their children what was the man that true put a downtown stadium auto zone park in memphis the funding that is necessary is far more modest than what the memphis tea national investment by a private development around the stadium is much more modest than what was done in memphis i think that if you were to take

dna sample of skeptical citizens from nashville and take the mayor or alert them interface with normal years in memphis where the more you will interface with the average you're going to reprise your vegetable you would find that there is wholesale whole endorsement of baseball and so what i've heard that it's so much more conservative yeah and if you look at what is your help which i o zone partially by a much much much larger investment and i say that as an impartial observer going back and forth and analyzing one against the other with actor say that this is a very careful very measured approach to what you're trying to accomplish absurd but what i put it i'm a damn

about how much the artisan part passable project at the national stadium three thirty eight million dollars well all those on park if you if you will that all components of an interview really million dollars senate got a yellow additional building that is attached to an arab it even is or would you very much so you're here with undergrowth and we're working harder to endure through that initial project show you can see that by comparison you know a much much more scope of those being under undertaken or an explorer and then about mayor pursue from for what is said about him trying to

mix the major and minor leagues the army you get an impression that he was interest in various and in going through his ranch down in the stadium i love the sounds are warning is this going to if it is a burly jolly people to flee very much sees how it could he is in effect to downtown nashville and to the border community very much so far are based on are not those restrictions and long i think or mclennan melody the two levels of our lives i don't know anybody

that i know coach and an integrated the two together in and see the practicality of that point oh my very very good the element of the marketplace by israel uses brolin in that it would attract his business can make to attract a list on a larger sort of people you know i think it'll i think bring up more along the lines that there are some people that are willing to give to expand but very large sums of money to the nfl and nhl he does and that's a it's what we

certainly referred to in our industry is major league versus my wake but there is also a whole different group of the demographic out there in nashville right i would love to have paid much more family friendly affordable low level of professional sports and during a different time of the season during the spring and summer when the weather as you're into an outdoor event and mild and hospitable weather and also their minor league baseball project like this where you're spending such marvelous songs by comparison the major league sports are they might say thirty five forty million dollars you're bringing trove of the shrew kate's approach to have scheduled for some activity looks

like a medically down clell where there's no infrastructure or restaurants other things to do so would you would you worry hughes you see the white pole for the building when you're looking at how much more use to care for them oh yeah and i spoke to david manning the somme or in finance director on he said that the city was home before and that makes him order the reasons was waiting for some information from your past that information is well that information i need to gather and i've been waiting for the challenge of avoiding to get together with the towns and coordinating response that we're going to

each be getting back to approve every level where you will also be or i'm going to have to go up some other information of birth and just generally the issue with having to provide it to the media what we do at the time for his laugh okay this could only thing that i don't want to be most honored i knew what a decade ago when yeager a setting in and he acted on another reporter here at national

aria station and then he i think he told the national business journal that its own likely he will get a third letter of credit from a bank do you agree with that and if so what type of third party guarantees are you looking into our interview back in it together with blood on that and he had never met with them i know you i know challenged no shortage of all that kind of thing so i'm not surprised that those initial comments from work says i really have not you're welcome i think of think of the exhaust most

israel only thing you were mentioning the us interest i think what we did for this update now or directing your teeth are getting a lot of all the archers with you went in for what europe a week china which are really cute little bit of a porcelain look we're really hard on nashville oil baseball recognizes are for mom i've seen it there you are do you say

there's a number of categories affected about fifty positions at the central office about two hundred and forty two positions as well as reduction for textbooks next year essential literature a number of items allocations at the school level we think this is the best way to describe this is the administration's recommendation to ice they serve on budget considerations on march twenty third there will be a hearing at the board room for appearance to calm and community people to conte and address the budget and say what they like a matter what i don't like about it so that we see in the library on gnat to finalize the budget that people choose them i think the administration has done a very good job with a very difficult job on making this and all the different constituency groups about what's important are the principles he appeared advisory committee the community

about what do we need to protect at all costs and that means that we've had to make some decisions and under some areas that we're not you know why do we have today based on the pure advisory groups that if you have to do without something at the elementary schools don't do that reading specialist don't do about art music teachers have to do with anybody do without some reading and he'd simply teachers so we're going to be putting a hundred the positions at the elementary level at least sixty people's issues at the elementary level will be different kinds of scheduling during the day to make sure that children get recess you know it was a hundred will be cutting hundred teacher positions at seventy twelve as we increase class sizes seventeen twelve seven decreasing under positions they are replacing decreasing that twenty three assistant principal position's authority to supervise or physician's eye twenty three guidance counselor position and with with a budget cut of this

size in a budget at six percent labor labor is the thing that gets it right now one of the things that we're going to do is really just in it does this administration proposal suggests that we discontinued the renaissance school is not at the numbers that we would like for it to you and it does also are also however includes what they call it and discipline program that they were put in riots in in place for next fall semester approach remediation and i guess we're not going to openly majors which is the new elementary school that was scheduled open this fall has said about six hundred other senator thousand dollars on opening match i don't think our relationship is

tense and this was this was a stock price tempted to do this we have not this board the majority to support has never dealt with budget cuts so we're just having to do something that's a lot different but i don't think a relationship is to say no you know come through force it's been many many many times thank you

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development will allow us to open fortnightly for the first time in sixty years to the public so among the elements in phase one there will be interpreted walking trails interpreted signage an orientation plaza an overlooked or overlooked so what we really want to do is tell the story of fortnightly up there and essentially make it possible for people to say please enjoy this and it was hard yeah that's right in between we hope to complete construction this fall and that then of course it will be open in december for the hundred and fortieth nice job and that's unusual

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update but there are certain expenditures that are necessary in order for us to protect our own sports so i appreciate the courts are to be hurting mr reitman has just a couple of points he'd like to touch on before we get out there i am greg hartman public defender third judicial district that's judge that mirror and i say that because my experience with getting expert services has been very good we have a program rico

a very significant case about god don't believe it'll wasted states money spirits with ex parte are we know for that we're not always protecting grand strategy arm sometimes were protecting attorney can't prove where actually go in in this is bothersome and in the end would like that are cracked and going to a job say this is what my client tony it sounds pretty strange for example he's paranoid and thinks everyone sort of want to check out that that six party we get our exports are expert looks at a preserve for norton also maybe there is such a i can't use it very well go to draw or plea come out with second degree and who's doing sense how certain

strategic benefit the judges didn't sense a new shirt something he would never hear except for the export a situation again where we just weren't sure yet that motivating thing would be getting from him is the maximum anyway it is an ad do trust is fairness have learned through the years that it is there we're going to have a new jet skis he's announced his retirement and that causes concern for the ex parte communication is more much more than strategy if i recall correctly its case law hundreds of statutory law in some situations and it is to preserve basically have someone try to remain side in any situation you address the issue of public defenders being qualified we are not all death qualified to be perfectly frank mccourt sometimes i wish it was not it was not a great thrill

to have a capital case that is actually a great deal of pressure in those who find it exciting like to crawl level when i'm not in that group hits its responsibility it's very hard to do in the r rule thirteen as it stands now there seems to be an assumption that all public finish the lead counsel in capital cases that assumption is probably false it is a trial judge someone needs to manage initially counselor designation which is significant it should certainly be given to the individuals who should be in the house i respect other public defenders i'm not trying to say that many are good i know that i've tried a couple of cases with co counsel it seems to me you become lead counsel by default because you're doing the hall and you're doing work in them and when they're too morris wonders sorted runs to lead

but the assumption is that if it is a money saving device it's not really fair for the war it may have gotten away one of the reasons i haven't had problems with with experts is because i think that relationship with all this portend office and sauce been pretty good week we try to follow the rules and and not be too often agree just in our demands and i can assure you my job is turning down in the past and you have to live with it or find a better reason get the fingerprint expert of the luddites for a word ever occasionally though because our rules change attitudes change we do a little bit surprised in some cases there are pleas on the table early and you're looking individual who is perhaps an atrocious crimes

and then we can all called for hours to throw his crimes that's not the point individuals done something is at least average or unusual and you're talking them about a play that will place in jail the rest your life we're living in a background whether or not there is a history of mental health sometimes and there's not a mental health is true there should've been one that's all and you and say now you make the choices to whether non excepted split us image here that at that point like you're a good idea for post conviction reasons in the future to get that person back and the facts often point that wine prior to indictment tried to get someone who i knew it used to don't think it's too expensive or appointed to evaluate a client just that situation between diamond and gone out and really is a new rule that the government that from happening we have to go a different route the crew fortunately these cases

billions on arresting want to turn to that vote would ask for appearing on charges were looted years or otherwise use the resources to do the work to move the case along well so it will not be reversed like a review of your actions goes to really fear they'll get that is the dilemma that his detention on i don't i don't envy the position of sitting and deciding that and expertise not required knowing full well that that may be an issue on appeal before the supreme court after a conviction sends them or eight months later and that is a real possibility the tears program seems to address that tears situation it does give a committee to review the director of corporate when it comes to tears are any alternative program there is something we give up in his

defense attorneys public defenders who are used to the more staffing and private bar which is after all a small business and they are trying to make a living to unlike make money if to get an expert party here and we are not drawn from east tennessee to nashville that is not going to be looked upon very favorably in all the public defenders so sheets of orange water wall was brought up but two years is a situation that is something that appears to provide a mechanism for growth provide a mechanism for change provide a mechanism to to address what is going to be a major problem in this day his day scientists and hispanic people that will be a major brawl you have to address it we were peers is a committee that may be able to address it very thoroughly and it needs to be addressed along that other issue which is raised at the way the attorney

general spoke of man is the convergence of due process as the farming capital cases and due process scenario that is we wonder why cost more arms i guess some of them at least the german census twenty five years fifteen years day for day they keep coming out our legislature and more and more serious offenses which would take more and more serious effort and it's getting more and more violent and that's going to continually be rigorous and here seems to set up with its committee and with its director in the direction of the scoring mechanism to do that so maybe it won't be in quite such a big mess when it comes up but it is just a start and and as a thank you very much thank you for letting our passions lead you think it will be a brief recess

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