Inflection Point with Lauren Schiller; #44; NARAL President, Ilyse Hogue & "Endo-What?" documentary filmmaker, Shannon Cohn

welcome to inflection point conversations with women changing the status quo and large three d an inflection point when the debate over reproductive rights ever and the flash of the world to find out what you have difficulty genuinely believed that what that the fact that they parked for litigation and on the other side you have people that have a very narrow view of what was right and what most expensive tv ads you've never heard of and demetrius united states department of five hundred and nineteen billion dollars annually you leave the president in a rock band standing around the director and know what bets today an inflection point say it with me and no meek tree will assess and demetrius this has been called the crazy woman's disease or the career woman's disease explained to celebrities like pod molotch me whoopi

goldberg susan sarandon and lena dunham and if you have a daughter or a nice the odds are that you know someone within it it typically takes a doctor's ten years to properly diagnose it resulting in years of pain depression and loss of productivity filmmaker shannon patten says after breast cancer it's the last great health taboo and has made a film called end know what to change the narrative around and demetrius this and help women and healthcare practitioners understand and treat the disease but i don't think that women get themselves enough credit in knowing that they're in charge of their own physique they know their own body and they know it well and nobody can tell i'm definitely believe a tendency as women really just very arcane and everybody else to have us by it like it was for someone else's fight it was you can't file fi flick your parents about i think it was your best friends because if

you're not welcome and its resistance burden on society if an estimated one hundred and ninety billion dollars associated lost productivity says taking care of hospitalization costs so this isn't just a disease of women with painful pierce shannon at virginia today i noticed on is very personal to you and could you just tell us why you made this film about endometriosis shore i'm happy to you and thanks for having me basically i am a filmmaker been a professional filmmaker for over a decade now and i started thinking about four years ago after the birth of my second daughter about how not much a changed as far as and mistresses diagnosis and treatment on them in twenty plus years since i first had sometimes at sixteen years old when men are still see an average of sixty a doctor's over ten years before they're diagnosed in the united states

some us different everywhere else in the world there are still regularly told that a hysterectomy in pregnancy are curious and that pain is normal in their heads so i started with the idea that if we could give women and after a base of knowledge straight from the experts that's they could start taking control of their health and that's how it started or how it's been out a long and laborious process for sure but we're really happy with the results and are getting really great responses well is a lanky exploring a tub there was no personality years at this it was an outside observer of eighteen or other films you know it was it was really difficult because it's such a person all journey and if anyone is familiar with anime trio sos it's a personal to seize it had slowed the woman's right at her core you know literally and figuratively i mean really it affects her identity in so many ways

like being a mother does it affect fertility and that easily one of the most emotional and and devastating parts of the disease and that it can cause infertility and so many women and the real tragedy of that is that it's unnecessarily that way because of that diagnostic the way well it becomes clear in the farm how difficult it has been for so many women to get an accurate diagnosis of an immature says so could you just define what is it and you know you through the found it the most likely to injure yourself like you're doing the legwork for these women who have had to wait ten years to get a proper diagnosis when you hear all the misdiagnosis and so just a flat definition writes perhaps even possible which made him a difficult to believe it and they'll be very easy but it's not so basically and demetrius us as where tissue that similarity uterine lining grows elsewhere in the body so outside the uterus usually in the called a cavity but it could grow another parts on their cases are women or having an injury assist in their

lungs or the diaphragm or even in rare cases and in their brain so what were your symptoms and why were they so hard to diagnose home is where the diagnosis and sometimes is that the vast majority of people including health care providers don't know the real sometimes and imagery isis and medical school doctors are taught that and imagery assesses painful periods and that's amazing the day on and they keep going that's the reality but and demetrius is can manifest on a whole host of sometimes i mean i had a ton of gastrointestinal sometimes larger bloating cramps things like got on my stomach when i was up on my period and i had multiple an mri scan scans blood work had to colonoscopies to and ask these this is ridiculous i'm a healthy you know quote unquote healthy twenty something girl thirty something year old woman through these years and that all of the test came back normal because and demetrius is doesn't show up on the side now of these tests can be ruled out by x rays or sonograms or blood work so

gastrointestinal symptoms are a big one another wanted or urinary symptoms chronic fatigue fibromyalgia a lot of just kind of nonspecific symptoms and women can have these for many years before there even for especially a specialist like certain interests and is it star and stop or discontinuous is that part of what makes it significant again jess that the individual nature of the disease makes it incredibly difficult to pinpoint some woman can have progress of billy and worsening sometimes overtly now period of ten twenty years but possible special their untreated on that and then some women sometimes can you know have been low for example i had really painful cramps as a teenager and she i sometimes and they kind of went away for a few years and i have no idea why and then i came back with a vengeance in my late twenties that's common as well every woman is different and the symptoms manifest differently in different women and that many

times what will control the symptoms than reacher assisted for zimmerman as well what were some of the treatments that were suggested here as your symptoms crop that wall hormonal treatments are that you know they're using the first line of treatment for many women birth control pills and other types of hormonal treatments you know that if she were to monitor events as they can do a great job many times of controlling symptoms they don't actually chew the disease and the only way it's effectively treat the disease as with what we have right now available to us is succession surgery which means water skeptic surgeries qualified surgeon going in and actually cut cutting out are moving the disease it sounds very invasive mr menken of scary but if you have a woman finds a qualified certain it can actually yield great relief and recovery time is quite but small is that us only weigh in again at that i had multiple surgeries on the first couple of

surgeries i had a place in surgery which mean basically the surge and one on one and my pelvis and kind of burned everything with a laser and that really created more problems ahead he sends a scar tissue is a giant mess finally i found a qualified surgeon he went in and i'll make size ski and demetrius as i had been a scar tissue had giant says that my ovaries we're here to my bow is a giant mess and she cut all about our and it was amazing the relief was instantaneous really and after that i followed quite a bit of different complimentary therapies like an anti inflammatory diet and discord therapy and doing yoga i'm practicing mindfulness and all these things combined to help finally stephanie and you found a doctor that could help heal an nfl new interview a number of medical experts so what whatever daughter is the one that's most equipped to help determine if solomon does in fact have any chances with all these strange and confusing sometimes that's incredibly

difficult undoubtedly now and the vast majority of health care providers great have great intentions they just maybe don't have the right education are the right tools to be able to accurately diagnose an imagery of service and a short amount of time the reality of their health care field right now is doctor pressed for time they're busy and nfl money eventually has the present and at eleanor's a common medical school says look we all know the reality we go see a doctor and they aren't listening and does the air quotes but the reality is you know we're all doing the best we can and doctors take on then they listen to a patient and diagnosed with the tools they have and then kind of move forward and i've had so many different doctors say the reality is that doctors don't really wanna see chronic pain patients they like to be able to help patients and the new modern you know i guess that's human nature you know it will help someone in nevada and one of the experts said a connotation as a ten foot pole

patient you wanna keep them very far away and how many don't want a massive bomb an ad doesn't force a reality of the diseases well that one with and our face and what are the causes you just a couple of the fellow teacher by genetics talk about environmental that again is this something that is still difficult to complete it is still difficult to pinpoint under a lot of different research studies going on in different theories their environmental toxin seem to be playing a role and things like dioxin and un pc beason bpa bp's all of these hormone disruptor is the and of the body in a frankly everyone should be worried about and not just one with and demetrius us so beyond that there is the flan genetically when and if you have a mother or sister are the newsroom says have a seven times increased risk of developing the disease so you how all of these different components that come into it and we don't have any clear answers yet but we're trying to work toward it there was one note in the film that there's a man who died and

demetrius this would what was what happened with him and right now quality sailors are great researcher yale referred to by case basically spent on and men who have been treated with drugs for prostate cancer that cause an increase and estrogen production and again it's not a clear case of why these men have developed a new trio says but it also goes into this fact is important because for many many years and imagery as assistant find is basically caused by retrograde installation basically when a woman has a period that the blood comes out of the uterus and to the public at the mac was an image rios us and that theory has since been proven false and the fact that men had been getting it and the fact that women have had and mistresses and their lungs and brain and die from also indicates that theory is really important because it goes to the cost of the disease i think until we find the cause can't find a chore we're talking with shannon come the director of the documentary and oh what we'll be back

right after this sir sir sir welcome back to inflection point conversations and women changing the status quo i'm lauren shuler i guess to shannon come the director of the documentary and their what one of the things that we have on the phone are the symptoms symptoms the depression lost productivity that when you're suffering from this huge tears on the statistics around mt sure so and demetrius the united states puts a burden on society of a hundred and nineteen billion dollars annual an associated

loss of productivity health care costs and so on and so people don't realize that this isn't just a marginalized disease that leno effects were manning in any to toughen up it's the painful periods it's really a societal the season that's what i'm heather wood on who is an amazing advocate and i think it says in the film you say that one when a history this was called the career woman's disease while we now add this disease at its heart many people say and i agree it's a feminist issue and it comes from that stereotype that a woman easily caucasian and her thirties has put off childbearing for pursuing professional you know goals almost has brought this on herself because she chose not to create unity in this creative cycle of having children and playing her role and that stereotype has come from that unfortunately so not only are we as women combating this disease on a physical

level where combating the social stigma around the disease that kind of the patriarch the medical system and the societal issues i guess in the history is this where the idea that getting pregnant would be the solution yes getting pregnant or having a hysterectomy sound basic way is literally is this use it or lose that right and that's that's exactly what it's come from and both of those statements are absolutely false pregnancy can help with symptoms and some women but and many women a dozen and the sentence come back sometimes wear sleeve on and a hysterectomy a hysterectomy is not to torture and demetrius says that is a widely spread enough if you don't treat the disease in the pelvis when you have taken the uterus out the disease to remain the pain generators are still there the disease is still there so unless you remove the disease as

well as dealers if you're doing a hysterectomy are still going out sometimes and the vast majority of an andrew experts that i've spoken with saint remove the disease first of this comes back to what austin's of the film which is that teenagers are suffering and the question of you know is a painful period of normal thing to happen is listening we'd sought to suffer trio for one thing but secondly if the larger diagnosis is made that earlier that one of the suggestions for teen girl could be that she has a hysterectomy before seen as a chance to decide whether she wants her children later in life right that has been suggested to teenagers and as mark offer who's a doctor at an a professor at harvard medical school says in the foam that since criminal actually to suggest to a woman that she had a hysterectomy as a teenager any woman before they're ready to give up so parents and with teenagers yes many times sometimes manifest they can manifest actually before a girl even has her period she think about when an estrogen

production starts hand and imagery is this is a disease that's almost power you know so to speak by estrogen so estrogen a production can start before period so producer having people having sometimes as early as eight or nine years old my daughter has made her stomach aches a lot and every time you know she says that i have a moment of panic is i had a lot of stomach aches as a child and the reality is that you know we just have to be aware as mothers and sisters and aunts and friends and winnetka girls starts complaining of cramps or she's missing school or not participating in activities as soon as she should be that's holding are back in some way we should recognize and persevere and is the suggestion than that if a girl is experiencing that that suggest that they look for signs of a mini dress yes i mean i had i would say yes if a girl has a painful period so badly that she as comparable dissipating a normal activities she's hold back in any way

i am i would suggest pursuing it and see that as a possibility with the healthcare provider and at the same time the issue is that many healthcare providers may not know there are several after providers' that say oh you know you're too young to have an imagery of service so that net has continued so a girl may earn at a girl and her mother may go to the doctor to pursuing an injury as his name a hit a wall because a health care provider says now she's too young to have a mistress is that still going on widely today so that's something where x or trying to combat what the phone because we are trying to get copies of the phone to all health care providers most specifically pediatricians gastroenterologist primary care physicians er doctors and nurses and a major component is what we are working with individuals and organizations to donate copies of the film to school nurses there over twenty seven thousand school nurses in the nine states were trying to get it copied every one of them so that when a girl you know thirteen fourteen fifteen comes into your office with cramps this can be on the radar

what will definitively diagnose that i mean how did you know that this was it that they did you actually have to have the surgery to know for sure at present the only way to definitively diagnose and injurious is this to have a locker us to be have the announcers and do a biopsy of the tissue from the daft about college in the pathology says justices and in israel says it can't be diagnosed or i'm ruled out by any type of non invasive test right now including blood worker scans and it cannot be ruled out by just looking at the leaves the problem is that with an injury as his even with many surgeons and general average lions that how to do surgery of this they don't realize that indonesia reassess can have different uses many of the men talk that as like black powder burn lesions and the pelvis and it can actually be clear a white or yellow or red ants that's when it's not necessarily properly diagnosed and therefore not properly treated

sewage and i have to ask you that this i understand you were on the legal team that prosecuted and rotten wood is there any connection between going after them and going after and oh and her new one in a dazzling either directly by any means it has maybe in my brain as far as how i see the world and so i became a lawyer and later a filmmaker because i saw so many different things that i thought were wrong with the world and injustices and thinking well if we can bring light to the us what could we you know what if we change that's why i became a filmmaker i started thinking about all the stories in the world that we're being told by mainstream media and with that be great if we get some light on them and bring attention you were just armed with your husband how did you know parsi says with him about what you're trying to achieve and did you end up in places where you where you had to share a sense within the house chair before

it was very interesting we have worked together on other projects earth that component was expected and we knew how to work with each other professionally but and such a person all that journey is he obviously has been affected by the disease in a personal way as my partner you know it actually was quite right because it brought many issues to the surface about our personal lives their intimacy and things like that that many women with and demetrius is have to go through when i was in la a man came up in his thirties and to scam about a screening to me and he said i just want to thank you so much because my fiance has been struggling with this disease for the past three years and i didn't understand it i didn't understand what she was going to cause she couldn't articulate it and this phone has really just changed our relationship for the possible and i feel like that is also true of my relationship with my husband you got a second installment coming out next year unless webb

well it about him and why her to write well when you're working on a film and b trio sits we realized quickly that two films are needed and the first phone is the slums and a wide and it is meant to pressure summit problem internally by providing inaccurate base of knowledge for women and doctors so that women can be empowered to education to ensure the health and urgent issue and while this the first on the second fellow was meant to approach the problem extremely by creating mean sure awareness and it is uncalled fighting in the dark as can be released next year meant for the mainstream and it follows the lives of five women living with the disease and importantly for me it approaches and demetrius is from a social justice and human rights for specter so the idea is that there are two films two purposes but one goal and that's real and lasting change for a hundred and seventy six million women and girls around the world how can our listeners see the first time it hit it a yes will wear going to a series of screenings around the world right now

beyond that the thumb will be available on our website which is debbie you debbie divvied up and oh what dot com and and the future we'll also be available on different platforms you're also introducing a partnership very soon where women can actually have screenings of the film in their own town what's the best advice about asserting herself and medical situation that you have ever been given whoa wow that's such a difficult problem and that's something that return a combat without because i think so many times you know you go into a doctor's office and so many of us men and women come to a doctor on a pedestal and all of this education they know more than ice maybe we feel that this empowered and that even more than with the fact with women and the idea with the film empower women because if your arms with accurate information you can really have a much more informed conversation with a doctor i would say i was given the advice to always be calm you know don't get too emotional at the doctor's stay calm

right down your medical history specifically as you can present that the doctor said that they have something in front of them that they can actually stand and how to have a conversation and be a partner with your health care provider i mean they are trying to help either working toward the same goal of getting a well so look at it as a collaboration but it deftly needs to be an informed collaboration on both sides ocean and he's actually joining me today thank you thanks for having me now shannon found the director of the documentary and their what about the charges of the chronic disease and demetrius it's coming up after the break whatever police held the president of the pro choice advocacy group near all i think that the ping pong ping pong thank you

you are this is inflection point i learned show where it's been forty three years since the supreme court's landmark decision on roe vs wade gave women the legal right to end a pregnancy as a matter of privacy and yet it has remained one of the most polarizing politicized and continually challenged issues in america my guest alys her as the president and they were all pro choice america formed in nineteen sixty nine as an advocacy group to expand and now protect reproductive freedom welcome to the program elites

what is a near us charter exactly and ordaining women might make our own duties and free of that man shame about our reproductive destiny and that includes contraception and actor that you favor legal abortion and an all felt very healthy again that have what reproductive freedom actually and the terms that generally get used are pro choice and pro life is that how you can i divide up this their way that people think about this issue you know i think for you that what one point but it's really not the way that the debate happening now they're a very politically expedient those labeled but they don't mean that much to an authentic and for example there's a large number of people in the

country who think that abortion and do you know what i would never personally consider abortion and iowa that have hurt by that because i think that people don't really know what they would do you know i like mike but i'm not comfortable making that provision for someone else and i don't think politicians should make that vision for someone out and for a while they might show up in a traditional polish probe light from a political perspective but they're not really what they mean because they don't want elected official including the melt and the original vision making of women and their family so why do you personally believe sicily and women's right to choose you know i mean at doing that work in a roundabout way that i'd be pretty dry and warm and revolutionized i am and what i do strongly believe in that when women are up her act that debate equally improve it and they've never been the government

that not only do they individually glad that their family drives and our country pride of the whole country generally drive out the hole and all the data verified and then what i have come to understand is that there is no way to have an authentic conversation about women corporate innovation and a lot of it starts with the idea that we have upon of vision making power about how an elegant home and it used to go our family you got what we don't have that when we are actually forced him to victory center not about shooting reality of gender jerry actually huckabee for equality but there's also a collective of bethany attached to be the issues that that demonstrate that when women can play project and family planning in such a big part of that

rewind it and now coming into this position and then they were all running of the organization i understand that you were necessarily looking to become as virgil is in america edge so how did you come around says feeling like that was something that you could personally spearhead and you know youre absolutely breaking amherst out my about the ad an ad that leave for women's rate much leverage bracket right and i had you know if you're going about the microchip that you own that internationally and your home around what it means that when an atom years old and when an hour be able to fully project right in the middle of it and i am you know i always felt like any one of my concerns and critique of odd what was happening in

the country i mean to govern to love a candidate had jumped that bad in older woman and legitimately weighed and that she had become pregnant and give the body have a way of shutting that whole thing down but also there with so much power and not write them a were twelve republic when the other side the bare truth we have a norm an opportunity to making them again and under what we find funny called whip akin comment involving you and higher i'll go party unity and when i think about the world that i can play anne and social change one of the things that i was very attuned to what the next turn on their men folk you not only had the political conversation and around the pool one when they know what that man have we were drifting toward collecting more and more anti trade politician

you have and continue to have we're cutting fine yeah make around emerging femininity and a large scale conversation about what gender equity look like in the twenty first century and i think that combination of those external dynamic and my own to buy or if you actually the conversation and lowering might kill the bear and a band playing artie the issue and it turned out to be too hard well let's talk about one of their issues that is a mention of the supreme court right now so in spain have roe v wade abortion rights or some other than dr raid so there's this case again from texas that before the current ostensibly protect women that in fact faces barriers to abortion access in texas what's at stake in this case and what raul is an iraq thing and this is a fellow hall london how it happened to be my home

with a green card and you know we had a division in june or july i would actually being debated here in white gold and they can play and i am putting on earth and they're going up very burton and glen we had a desire to show up and down there's been a lot of commerce and ham and loading that to again that even our anti politician the narrow their backers are trying to cloak themselves and a conversation about women about why the most fun things about litvinenko dictated with hearing acting out of the three that the letter from jack about the fact that the slightly her when i woke up you know i think a day that roe vs wade right arm hurts or not you wrote that stand on

one of the things that they realize is that when they do get their truth and they do actually pay that they're again that of outlaw abortion because we do with any country where the majority of people whether or not they personally identifying thinking they would have an abortion whether they are male or female whether they identify republican or democrat majority of the country actually believe and legal access to abortion and that the decision about buffalo men and so when they get their courage and i believe what happened in that they recognized that they were in terms of women's health and clinic regulations right and they put together an eerie the odds on earth restrictions that are medically and a very backward to nineteen make one explosive candidate we have the intended effect and i couldn't walk low that if you print or come back with a division that upholds the law you do even more frightening than that because the

record divide within a defective and it will finally melt you so many other state legislatures kind of legislation or a booking kind of legislation and what would eventually do a day you may have the constitutional right and theory but in fact there are going to be directly impossible to exercise that right and bats have a plan in effect on women not so you know we view that have an opportunity to really organize whoa you know we call the pro choice majority of the country and have been planning to respond that they have prevented an admitted that work where you had hundreds of women coming out and playing their abortion story for the first time fewer turkey's generals weighing in with a quart kind of goes against the rule of law at a rally or girls are beautiful what most well attended rally at the

supreme court and reproductive rights in decades i think we'd been the colorful and raving about the level of conversation about it is that we're facing in that country and also congratulating it with in that conversation that we need to have and what do you really believe it's going on here and i think what that illustrate and that didn't not really afraid about abortion abortion in a medical procedure it is a clash of worldview and i want it you have people who genuinely believe that women should be trusted and respected to make our own division the code that your equal participation and devise that allowed everyone to thrive and on the other side you have people that have a very narrow view of what women's roller don't want family looked white and white i think that we had given an opportunity to actually show that that have the real debate that we're having and we have every other day what we actually talk about values that played not the medical procedures not

that one families making their own decision and that's part of what make america beautiful in that ralph in germany and empowerment aborted every person from the heat heated midst of this debate i am really curious how many women are actually likely to it have or have had abortions in this generation is this something that is one tree women is likely to make abortion care and her lifeline you know that a fair number of people there you know at least one person who is not an abortion what we know about that at that they're all puerto rican turnout there are bad night for it if you don't care that could not order a lot of birth control failure an errant bears and people who just with one eye and women who think abortion are already mothers trying to take care of their family that they

have a lot of really important economic don't speak for the victim of a lot of effort of women from porter is that abortion you'd actually at a low point over lot of several decades and that is because vinyl bikini have to fighting to make sure that they've and legal abortion for women haven't been a lot of it to make sure that contraception available universally and affordable to win then and now very much they owed our opposition haven't actually anti abortion to that they were they were during have been poor you would flap of the country an accurate like that and that kind of quality of that poor working man like paid family leave then and my pregnancy discrimination and they don't do any of that we are not anti abortion what they are anti women living in power by the

making i've read that there are cases where women are still being arrested for having abortions what can you tell us yeah unfortunately there of the very high profile a lot of attention coming out of indiana where a woman named marie howe we've actually chew on the decade in jail for what they called a device for health inducing abortion and that that important why the current political debate raged over whether women should be punished for taking abortion but the reality of women are already being punished and one example in twenty thirteen a woman named jennifer whalen was arrested and jailed in pennsylvania they're actually helping her daughter her sixteen year old daughter a self induced abortion because they didn't have the ability to get to apply it in pennsylvania though they have already happening to women around the

country that had not heard of it you're right to call potential future and it's really important that we pushed the candidate that you found a draft a crayfish that were living in the country in the upper jay to get out of there and not allow them to and hypothetical well so hopeful donald trump declared as you just referenced that women who have had an abortion should be punished and yes he retracted his semen but who knows where he really stands on match and your responses elise was to take a photo of yourself holding a sign that says i had an abortion donald trump without and one economist and you posted on facebook and at other places too why did you decide to do that what is a fuel didn't end the debate about abortion and what a loud that and might chew wave minority that thrive in the health of shame and we should we have shamed around talking about our own abortion story yellow of abortion and the real people of life or so many women in the country and you know i

we played it a chapter in my novel of my father a wonderful honor lawyer and he immediately started her brief by train to most people on the lawyer who had an abortion to myself i'm a lawyer because i had an abortion and i think that really eat you that roll of the world are ability to live full lives where's my own because of the change and i wanted donald trump and everyone running for office but everyone in europe i'll say about her own personal trade have become and what if it keeps on and i actually think that we have nothing to be ashamed of and that you would you know gene

making our intrepid and they're locked but through that every day and a lot of the debates i mean you are going on and that she had no wi fi they were able to seek an abortion after she got to the clinic you know what i mean but i think when you're on a mother i give you a timeout did you feel that too became an added it's a respectable up about product that women put into making allusions about you know our are you're pregnant you can turn you know and it meant and then very invasive ultrasound it never know whether we've been banned for shame women and i think there's so many women out there who have had and not being told do you you know feel ashamed of my life so i want you that moment illustrate that i was pleased with the response that abortion would not about abortion came out and that you know what we will be

punished we won't be shamed and we don't want a politician who make a talking point in campaign we're talking to the least healthy president in iraq will continue our conversation after tests it's been it's been this is inflection point i'm lauren shuler were talking with elise help the president of mayor all it seems like anti choice of voices and pro choice places have totally opposing worldviews do you think that people who are on different sides of this issue have any common ground at all

when when we talk about it so important to realize that if you're really talking about the folks who work and i've worked on that day in day out they are a tiny tiny percentage of the population and the very people who truly day that you know women should not be able to have abortions even in the rape or incest or life of the mother you are people who by the way also oppose an accurate records they all felt opposed marriage equality and they uploaded option and third of the brigade family i think that that's where we don't have a lot of common ground because we talk about the extreme ideologue they are fighting for what they called the natural family which and one man how one one man nfl where women stayed home and her create haven't any given they can in an end of them out and make a living

to fill out of touch with the way that most americans are living their lives it really embracing the diversity of what family look like in this country have a strength not a week and folks i don't think that there is common ground you think that there's a lot of common ground and people who have a bad knee feel like that about what they might do you may have a lot of naked feeling about what it means to make the defendant to terminate a pregnancy still can't talk about individual the desert but a politician who know nothing about your life should not be making for you there's a lot of common ground there between in that we recognize on humanity the humanity and irene and how likely a complicated island might get complicated we wanna thug or others making good well anti abortion sentiment has led to

physical violence abortion clinic shootings as one example do you ever get scared personally leading this conversation there is such a report really funny about powell of violent rhetoric and violent actions are on the uptick in our country which would give everyone i am i personally might know i mean they're a fad that truth of the matter is that that way two eighth movement the violent wing of the movement had actually really focused their effort through the years on our new workers be they doctors or you know those horrific a perverse reflection after we shot in bob then roundly rejected last year of glee that were shot in colorado springs go any doubt that we all do that when we should all be afraid that hadn't had that yet i'm not personally trade although i do you know that bumper cars and we don't put pictures there

were children on social media for example because i don't want them to be subject to the kind of what we do on a regular basis but i do want to differentiate between around that which is a huge bummer and indicate the true colors of what we're up against a really different from families who have suffered an injury and that as a result of their work i'm just thinking about other elements that are in place in society to help mostly under served communities for example women who have children that are not in a position to support them if they're more of a social safety net around that do you think there would be less of an imperative to defend the right to worsen other words if we can afford to have your kids to be weighed need to defend the right to turn into pregnancy as much yeah and i think that for a couple or even

i think that the ability to make decisions about your own family and what happened to your own body and actually human rights and i don't know about always need to be but it also i think we need to do to work a hundred percent of the border working mothers and low income mothers and the author of dr the roadways arm of the movement we're also eligible like and we are working for parental week we are working for the common man power the bat that the more women who want to have children who want to expand their families our ape like you and i it's not a you know if you're in the top one person at your likelihood of having you know and children and a higher rate on it is absolutely true that

during economic about how and when we read family but it's not only about the reported in the world that that lead you want things that have more children and you want to happen that that should be your rate is and this before taking the position a narrow you were on the team a move on what would you take away from that experience that prepared you for running iraq a lot of guilt i went on and i think every crack every move man can live on bread or are you like you know watchdog organizations that have been around for a long time we were due to use all sorts of new technology and social media channel to make sure we were reaching all of the folks who are repelled by and had not been mr iyer i think you know i i took away the fact that we always need to organize a raid i mean you know politicking a caribbean about friend need the wind at their

back and to know that there are people that are going to support them when they're out there during the right thing and certainly our opponent would need if your political consequences of an art really come through people power not come through people being engaged and doing there jj war makers accountable but i really you know at the time i was about three million member of an apartment than three hundred local community and so many of the volunteer the war went on hand you know about ways dove evident within me that when women get engaged and no i grew up with that have been an odd we can really organized women and you know given that we're in what will open up and there's huge opportunity could've gotten light of reproductive freedom agenda look like in the twenty percent tree what it looked like the real policy that the poor women living real

lives right now arm and backpacking just make everything better for everyone what's the best advice they've ever been given an outstanding up for your beliefs are you know always actually come come up playing oud optima them an opportunity the cabinet that it actually why me inspired to do work that i do an auto motivate people to want to work alongside you write you know that might have been actually awakened people but that opportunity had to like keep people engaged in the long haul and not what i'm excited about you know that the average by about getting up from i believe it to make sure the way then you know we're fighting for were not just what we want in the part of a better future and now more that we are actively engage and they're finding that future the more we offer opportunity for people to

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