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>> PARTIAL FUNDING FOR THE PRODUCTION OF NEW MEXICO INFOCUS PROVIDED BY THE MCCUNE CHARITABLE FOUNDATION. >> THIS WEEK ON NEW MEXICO INFOCUS, WE EXPLORE THE EVOLUTION OF A NEW MEXICO BASED RADIO SHOW DEDICATED TO CONFLICT RESOLUTION. >> WE FELT LIKE, WELL, WHERE IN THE WORLD IS THERE ANY MEDIA ON PEACE AND THAT IS WHY WE CREATED A SHOW ON PEACE. >> AND WE CONTINUE OUR COUNTDOWN OF THE YEARS LEADING STORIES AND NEWS MAKERS WITH A PANEL OF TOP NEW MEXICO JOURNALISTS. NEW MEXICO INFOCUS STARTS NOW. >> WE ARE BACK TO COUNTING DOWN TOP STORES OF THE YEAR THIS WITH OUR LINE PANEL OF NEW MEXICO JOURNALISTS. THEY ARE HERE TO DISCUSS EVENTS THAT SHAPED OUR STATE IN 2014, AND HELP US PUT THE YEAR IN CONTEXT. AND, WHAT DOES PEACE ON EARTH REALLY LOOK LIKE? I TALKED WITH FOUNDERS OF PEACE TALK RADIO ABOUT THEIR EXPERIMENT IN MEETING THE FEAR CREATED BY THE 9-11 TERRORIST ATTACKS WITH A SHOW ABOUT NONVIOLENT CONFLICT RESOLUTION. STILL GOING STRONG AND REACHING

AUDIENCES AROUND THE COUNTRY. LET'S GET STARTED WITH THE FINAL PHASE OF THE COUNTDOWN. HERE IS THE LINE. WE ARE CONTINUING THE COUNTDOWN WE BEGAN LAST WEEK OF THE YEARS STOP STORIES WITH A GREAT PANEL OF JOURNALISTS. BEFORE WE PICK UP ON OUR LIST AGAIN, LET'S INTRODUCE OUR JOURNALISTS HERE AT THE TABLE. THEY ARE PATRICK MALONE, REPORTER WITH SANTA FE NEW MEXICAN. SOMEONE WHO NEEDS NO INTRODUCTION TO OUR AUDIENCE, GWYNETH DOLAND, CORRESPONDENT FROM NEW MEXICO INFOCUS, BUT SHE ALSO A JOURNALISM INSTRUCTOR AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO. FROM THE ALBUQUERQUE BUSINESS FIRST WE HAVE EDITOR RACHEL SAMS AND FROM THE ASSOCIATED PRESS, RUSSELL CONTRERAS. LET'S GET STARTED. NO. 5 STORY IN OUR COUNTDOWN IS WE SAW A CROWDED DEMOCRATIC FIELD VYING TO TAKE ON INCUMBENT GOVERNOR SUSANA MARTINEZ IN THE PRIMARY. THE VICTORIOUS CANDIDATE WAS, OF COURSE, ATTORNEY GENERAL, GARY KING, BUT HE LAGGED BEHIND MS. MARTINEZ IN FUND RAISING AND LOST BY A SIGNIFICANT MARGIN. THAT'S DESPITE UNFLATTERING ARTICLES IN SEVERAL PUBLICATIONS ABOUT MS. MARTINEZ BASED ON RECORDINGS, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER, MADE BY INSIDERS IN THEIR FIRST CAMPAIGN. AND WE ALSO SAW THE STATE GOP TAKE CONTROL OF THE HOUSE OF

REPRESENTATIVES FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES. RUSSELL, MIDTERMS, LET ME START WITH TURNOUT. MIDTERMS ARE TRADITIONALLY LOW. NOBODY SHOWED UP FOR MIDTERMS. WHAT DO YOU THINK HAPPENED? >> IT WAS JUST PEOPLE WERE ENGAGED AND EVEN DESPITE ALL ISSUES THAT WERE BEFORE THEM, THEY WEREN'T ENGAGED. WHAT IT WAS TELLING US AND I THINK THIS SHOULD HAVE GOT MORE TRACTION NATIONALLY WAS THIS IS THE MOST HISPANIC STATE IN THE COUNTRY. IT JUST ELECTED A REPUBLICAN FEMALE LATINO GOVERNOR AND A REPUBLICAN HOUSE. FIRST TIME IN 60 YEARS. THIS SHOWS US SOME SORT OF DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES, AND THE ASSUMPTION IS ALL HISPANICS WILL VOTE DEMOCRATIC IN A DEMOCRATIC STATE. THERE IS DEMOGRAPHIC CHANGES HAPPENING AND THIS COULD HAPPEN ACROSS THE COUNTRY WITH 2016. I DON'T THINK THE DEMOCRATS CAN THEN, SAY, JUST ASSUME THE LATINO VOTERS WILL VOTE DEMOCRATIC, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WERE UPSET ABOUT IMMIGRATION AND OTHER THINGS. IT IS TELLING. AND PEOPLE SHOULD FOCUS ON LOOKING TO SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN NEW MEXICO DESPITE THE VOTER TURNOUT, BECAUSE THOSE PEOPLE THAT DID TURN OUT VOTED

REPUBLICAN. >> THAT'S A GOOD POINT. FOR BUSINESS, THE ELECTIONS ARE CERTAINLY, THEY MEAN SOMETHING. SOME ADMINISTRATIONS ARE BUSINESS FRIENDLY. SOME ARE NOT. IN THE OVERALL WITH THE MIDTERMS, WHAT CHANGED FOR YOU IN THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY AS FAR AS LEGISLATIVE MAKEUP? ANY SIGNIFICANT CHANGES THERE? WATCHING THE CHANGE IN THE HOUSE AND WHAT THAT IS GOING TO MEAN FOR RIGHT TO WORK LEGISLATION. I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY HAS THEIR EYE ON THE MOST. >> AS PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, GOSH, THERE ARE SOME MANY THINGS THAT CAME AND WENT IN 2014, EARLY IN THE SESSION, OF COURSE, EARLY IN THE YEAR. WE HAD A TRY FOR MINIMUM WAGE, ALL KINDS OF DIFFERENT THINGS THAT WOULD AFFECT BUSINESS. LOOKING BACK ON 2014, FOR YOU IN THAT REGARD, AND LEADING UP TO ELECTIONS, DID ANYTHING MARKEDLY CHANGE BETWEEN THE LEGISLATIVE SESSION EARLIER THIS YEAR IN 2014 AND WHAT WE MIGHT ANTICIPATE COMING UP? HAS THE LANDSCAPE CHANGED A LOT FOR BUSINESS HERE? >> I THINK THE SHIFT IN POWER MAKES PEOPLE WONDER IF THEY MIGHT SEE SOME CHANGES. CERTAINLY NOT EVERYTHING HAS SHIFTED. WE STILL HAVE A STRONG DEMOCRATIC PRESENCE, TOO. SO, IT REMAINS TO BE SEEN HOW

MUCH IS GOING TO CHANGE. >> IT DOES REMAIN TO BE SEEN. >> LEADERSHIP ISSUES CERTAINLY GOING ON IN THE LEGISLATURE. WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF WHERE THINGS STAND NOW? >> I THINK FROM ALL WE'RE GOING TO SEE MR. TRIPP FROM THE SOUTHERN PART OF THE STATE AS A NEW SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE AND I THINK THAT HE IS SOMEBODY WHO DEMOCRATS CAN PRETTY MUCH LIVE WITH, NOT THAT THEY HAVE MUCH OF A SAY IN IT, BUT, THEN, WE HAVE MICHAEL SANCHEZ OVER IN THE SENATE AND THAT IS GOING TO BE A TRUE TEST OF HIS LIBERAL CREDENTIALS, REALLY. I MEAN HE HAS BEEN SOMEBODY WHO HAS STOPPED TOUGH ON CRIME LEGISLATION. HE HAS BEEN SOMEBODY WHO HAS REALLY SORT OF TOTED THE TRADITIONAL DEMOCRATIC LIBERAL LINE AND IT IS GOING TO BE HIM AGAINST THE GOVERNOR AND THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES. SO, I THINK, WE'LL WANT TO SEE HOW HE SETS UP HIS KILL COMMITTEE, IF YOU WILL, AND HE IS GOING TO BE REALLY AN IMPORTANT PLAYER WHEN IT COMES TO LEADERSHIP IN THE LEGISLATURE THIS YEAR. >> ABSOLUTELY. YOU KNOW, LOOKING BACK ON THE YEAR, IT IS INTERESTING WHEN I LOOK AT MY LIST, THERE IS SO

MANY THINGS HERE BUT I'M CURIOUS YOUR THOUGHTS ON, I MENTIONED THIS IN THE MOTHER JONES ARTICLES, IN THE BIG RACE OF THIS YEAR WAS THE GUBERNATORIAL RACE AND JUST THINGS DIDN'T HAPPEN FOR GARY KING. I WAS SURPRISED FOLKS DIDN'T MAKE MORE OF THAT ISSUE AS ELECTION DREW NEARER. DID THAT SURPRISE YOU? >> NOT REALLY. BEEN AND ARE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT MARTINEZ ARE ENTHUSIASTIC AND MOTIVATED AND THEY GET OUT AND VOTE AND I THINK KING JUST FAILED TO GET PEOPLE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT HIM. RECORDINGS OR NOT, IT IS HARD TO GET ANGRY ABOUT RECORDINGS AND THEN GO VOTE FOR SOMEBODY, YOU KNOW. >> THAT IS A GOOD POINT, ACTUALLY. BACK TO PRIMARIES, BACK A LITTLE BIT EARLIER, HE WON GOING AWAY THERE, DID QUITE WELL, BUT WE HAD OTHER POLITICAL NAMES POP UP ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF THINGS THAT DIDN'T MAKE IT THROUGH THE PRIMARY. THEY MAY BE BACK. >> HE DIDN'T DO WELL IN THE PREPRIMARY NOMINATING PART AT ALL, SO I THINK THERE WAS AN ENTHUSIASM GAP FOR HIM. THE NAME RECOGNITION IS HUGE AND

HE HAD THE MACHINE, YOU KNOW, TO DO THE RUN BUT I DON'T THINK THAT THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY INSIDERS WERE THAT STOKED. SO, I MEAN YOU'RE SORT OF EDGING TOWARD OPEN PRIMARIES WHICH I THINK WOULD BE -- >> YES. LET JUST GO THERE. STAY THERE, YOU READ MY MIND COMPLETELY. >> I THINK THERE IS GROWING ENTHUSIASM ABOUT IT. FROM MY PERSPECTIVE, ANYTHING THAT CHANGES THAT SITUATION IS GOING TO BE EXCITING TO WRITE ABOUT. I AM LIKE, LET'S DO IT AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS. >> YOUR THOUGHT ON OPEN PRIMARIES. TRACTION STARTING TO HAPPEN ON THIS IDEA AS YOU LOOK AT IT? >> I DO THINK THERE IS TRACTION FOR IT AND I THINK THERE ARE FOLKS WHO, MAYBE SOME AT THIS TABLE, MYSELF INCLUDED, WHO ARE REGISTERED UNAFFILIATED AND DON'T WANT TO FEEL SHUT OUT DURING THOSE TIMES. SO, I DON'T SEE WHY IT WOULDN'T APPEAL TO THE MORE INDEPENDENT SPIRITED NEW MEXICANS OUT THERE. OF COURSE, THE FIGHT WILL BE FROM THE ENTRENCHED PARTY MACHINES, AND, FRANKLY, SOME

OF THESE PARTY MACHINES REALLY NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THEMSELVES BECAUSE IF WE LOOK AT THE DEMOCRATIC INSIDERS AND THE PEOPLE THAT MANAGE THE PARTY, THEY HAVE TO LOOK AT 2014 AS A MONUMENTAL FAILURE AND NOT JUST BECAUSE THEY LOST THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES BUT IF YOU CAN'T CLEAR THE FIELD IN A GUBERNATORIAL PRIMARY AND YOU HAVE ALLEGIANCE SPLIT FIVE WAYS AND FIVE PEOPLE PECKING AWAY AT WHAT RESOURCES ARE OUT THERE, DOWN THE ROAD, THAT HURT THEM AND I THINK AS MUCH AS THE TYPE YEAR THAT IT WAS, IS WHY THEY LOST DOWN TICKET. >> OUR NO. 4 STORY IN THE COUNTDOWN IS A PERSISTENT PROBLEM HERE IN NEW MEXICO, POVERTY AND CHILD WELL-BEING, THE DEATH OF OMAREE VARELA EXPOSED A SERIOUS PROBLEM WITH THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND CHILDREN YOUTH AND FAMILIES DEPARTMENT CURTAILING ABUSE. IT IS ONE OF MANY STORIES THAT HIGHLIGHTED WHY NEW MEXICO RANKED 49TH IN CHILD WELL-BEING ON THE KIDS COUNT SURVEY. WHAT KIND OF FAILING DID THIS BECAUSE THOSE THAT ARE IN THE BUSINESS OF THIS, THIS WAS NOT NEWS TO THEM.

PEOPLE IN THE BUSINESS OF SOCIAL WORK UNDERSTAND THEY ARE UNDER-STAFFED UNDER-RESOURCED. NOW THE GENERAL PUBLIC SEEMS TO KNOW, DON'T THEY, ABOUT WHERE THIS ALL STANDS FOR CITIZENS. >> CERTAINLY, UNDER THE BEST OF CIRCUMSTANCES, REGARDLESS OF WHAT STATE YOU'RE IN, FAMILIES ARE INVOLVED WITH THESE AGENCIES BECAUSE THERE ARE PROBLEMS AND THESE AGENCIES REALLY ARE -- THEY ARE THERE TO BE THE PROTECTORS OF THESE KIDS AND OMAREE'S CASE HAS TO BE THE MOST HEART BREAKING THING I HAVE SEEN IN THE YEAR THAT I HAVE BEEN HERE IN NEW MEXICO. AND THERE HAVE BEEN A FEW BUT THE QUESTION THAT IT REALLY RAISES FOR US IS, WHERE DO THESE BUREAUCRACIES SORT OF PRIORITIZE THINGS? WE SEE A LOT OF VACANCIES IN THIS DEPARTMENT AND MANY OTHERS AND IT BECOMES ALMOST A SLUSH FUND OF BUDGETARY GAP, BUT REALLY IN THIS CASE, IT IS PLAYING WITH LIVES AND WE HAVE MORE HUNGRY CHILDREN IN NEW MEXICO THAN IN ALMOST ANY OTHER STATE AND WE HAVE SOME OF THESE FAMILIES THAT ARE GETTING OUTRAGEOUS DELAYS THAT HAVE

LASTED MONTHS TO EVEN GET THE BENEFITS THEY QUALIFY FOR. SO, IT IS AN INTERSECTION OF A MYRIAD BUREAUCRATIC PROBLEMS THAT IS REALLY TAKING A HUMAN TOLL ON THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO AND NEEDS TO BE A PRIORITY. >> I MENTIONED BOTH CYFD AND APD. HOW DID THEY CYFD COME OUT IN THIS IN THE 2014 YEAR. SO MUCH OF WHAT PATRICK IS TALKING ABOUT. THE DEPARTMENT HAS TO BE UPSIDE DOWN AT THIS POINT. >> WE STARTED DOING STORIES WORKERS, HOW THEY FELT OVERWHELMED, DIDN'T HAVE RESOURCES THEY NEEDED. IF YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THIS, YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE WAY THE PLACE IS FUNDED, WHERE THE FUNDS GO, HOW THEY ARE ADMINISTERED, HOW MANY RESOURCES YOU GIVE THEM, BECAUSE IF THEY JOIN THAT DEPARTMENT IN SOCIAL WORK, THEY WANT TO DO SOMETHING AND MAKE A DIFFERENCE. AND IF THEY ARE LEAVING IN DROVES AND LEAVING FRUSTRATED THAT MEANS THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL PROBLEM WITH THAT DEPARTMENT, AND THAT TRANSCENDS THE PARTY. BECAUSE THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR YEARS. IF YOU WHAT TO ADDRESS POVERTY AND ADDRESS PART OF THE INCOME GAP HERE, THIS IS WHERE YOU START.

THIS IS GROUND ZERO FOR THIS FIGHT, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO ADDRESS SOME OF THESE KIDS, THEY WILL REPEAT WHATEVER SITUATION THEY ARE IN. THAT IS THE SAD TRUTH. WE ARE NOT HAVING THAT CONVERSATION. >> RACHEL SAMS, I MENTIONED APD AS PART OF THAT PROBLEM TOO. I HAVE TO IMAGINE THIS CASE REALLY LOCKED THE DEPARTMENT, BECAUSE YOU HAD ON TAPE REALLY OFFICERS SIDING WITH THE FATHER FIGURE IN THE HOUSEHOLD, JUST BELIEVING, OH, YOU SEEM LIKE A NICE GUY, NICE FAMILY. THEY TOOK A REAL HIT ON THIS ONE DIDN'T THEY? THAT WAS A DIFFICULTY FOR THEM. >> IT WAS AND THERE ARE ALWAYS THESE CASES. WHEN TO LEAVE A CHILD WITH THE FAMILY. WHEN TO ERR ON THAT DIRECTION AND WHEN YOU HAVE TO MOVE IN AND TAKE CHARGE. AND IT IS A REALLY DIFFICULT DECISION IN THE SITUATION AND ALWAYS DIFFICULT LOOKING IN FROM THE OUTSIDE. >> THAT IS RIGHT. THAT WAS THE STEPFATHER THAT I WAS REFERRING TO, BY THE WAY. FOR RESOURCES AND FUNDING, IS THIS GOING TO BE THE SITUATION? I KNOW WE ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO CAST FORWARD BUT CONSIDERING WHAT WE WENT THROUGH THIS PAST YEAR, IS THIS MAKING A CASE FOR

RESOURCES FOR CYFD? >> ANY TIME YOU HAVE A REALLY GALVANIZE PEOPLE AND GALVANIZE SUPPORT FOR SOMETHING, WHEREAS IF YOU DON'T HAVE A FACE TO PUT TO AN ISSUE, IT IS HARDER AND I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE TOOK A HARD LOOK INSIDE THEMSELVES WHEN WE SAW THIS AND THOUGHT, HOW MANY TIMES HAVE I THOUGHT, WELL, I AM SURE IT IS OKAY WHEN YOU SAW SOMETHING IN A GROCERY STORE OR PARK AND THOUGHT THAT DIDN'T LOOK SO GOOD. AND YOU THOUGHT SHOULD I HAVE DONE MORE? SHOULD I HAVE SAID MORE IN THOSE CASES? SO, IT STIRS UP COMMUNITY ANGST. >> I HAVE TO IMAGINE, ACCOUNTABILITY. FOLKS HAVE TO WONDER, WHO IS ACCOUNTABLE HERE FOR OMAREE AT THE END OF THE DAY? WHO IS WATCHING OVER OUR CHILDREN? THERE IS A FUNDAMENTAL THING THAT HIT PEOPLE IN THE GUT FROM THIS ISSUE. >> IT HIT THEM IN THE GUT AND ADDED ZENITH IN THE MIDDLE OF LAST YEAR'S LEGISLATIVE SESSION WHICH WASN'T A POLICY SESSION BUT A BUDGET SESSION AND WE SAW THIS OMAREE AND IT WOULD HAVE DONE MORE TO COMPEL COMMUNICATION BETWEEN THE AGENCIES AND HAVE THESE FIRST CONTACTS LIKE WITH POLICE,

WITH CYFD AND IT FAILED. WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN NEW MEXICO? WHAT ARE WE DOING FOR THEM WHEN THEY DIAL BACK ACCESS TO THINGS LIKE FOOD BENEFITS, THINGS LIKE THE MEDICAL CARE THEY ARE ENTITLED TO AND WHEN A LAW LIKE THIS, WHEN IT IS IN PRIME TIME IN FRONT OF EVERYBODY'S FACE, WITH OMAREE'S FEAR ON HIS FACE ON THE NIGHTLY NEWS EVERY NIGHT, THEY COULDN'T PASS LEGISLATION THEN, I GOT TO WONDER IF THE ACCOUNTABILITY IS GOING TO BE PASSED IN THIS SESSION. >> GOOD POINT. >> COMING UP I SPEAK WITH FOUNDERS OF PEACE TALKS RADIO. >> LANL HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR YEARS. THEY HAVE, IN MANY WAYS, HAVE BEEN THE BIG EGO, LIKE WE ARE LANL, NOBODY THERE TO QUESTION US. YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. NOW EVERYBODY IS ASKING QUESTIONS AND I KIND OF FEEL LIKE PATRICK WAS SAYING, THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION, IT IS A DIFFERENT GAME.

>> PAUL INGLES AND SUZANNE KRYDER, KNEW THE MEDIA WOULD FOCUS HEAVILY ON WAR AND CONFLICT FOLLOWING THE 9-11 TERRORIST ATTACKS. THEY WANTED TO CREATE AN ALTERNATIVE SPACE TO TALK ABOUT PEACE AND NON-VIOLENT CONFLICT RESOLUTION AND THE RESULT WAS PEACE TALKS RADIO. LAUNCHED IN ALBUQUERQUE IN 2002 AND AIRS MONTHLY ON KUNM RADIO AND ALSO CARRIED ON HUNDREDS OF STATIONS AROUND THE COUNTRY, THEY PROFILE ICONIC PEACEMAKERS SUCH AS MARTIN LUTHER KING AND THE DALAI LAMA, EXPLORE THE THE IMPACT OF WAR AND THE POWER OF FORGIVENESS AND DELVE INTO CREATING PEACE IN OUR DAILY THOUGHTS AND INTERACTIONS. I TALK WITH THEM ABOUT THEIR JOURNEY AND THE LEGACY OF PEACE TALKS RADIO. >> I AM JOINED BY PAUL INGLE CO-FOUNDER AND PRODUCER OF PEACE TALKS RADIO AND SUZANNE KYRDER, CO-FOUNDER AND HOST OF PEACE TALKS RADIO, AND CAROL BOSS, HOST OF PEACE TALKS RADIO AS WELL AND A FAMILIAR VOICE ON KUNM. THANK YOU FOR COMING IN. THIS IS A WONDERFUL SHOW THAT COMMUNITY FOR MANY YEARS. PAUL LET ME START WITH YOU. A LOT OF FOLKS DON'T KNOW THE IMPETUS. HOW DID THIS START? WHAT DROVE YOU TO START PEACE

TALKS RADIO? A MARRIED COUPLE IN 2011 AND 9-11 2001. 9-11 HAPPENED. AND, WE HAD TALKS ABOUT, WE REALLY FELT LIKE WE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING AND WHAT COULD WE DO? WE WERE ANTICIPATING YEARS OF MORE CONFLICT SCENARIOS THAT WOULD BE ALL OVER THE MEDIA. SO, SINCE I HAD A HISTORY IN RADIO AND SUZANNE HAD SOME HISTORY IN PRESENTATION WORK AND WE DECIDED TO CREATE A SERIES CALLED PEACE TALKS RADIO, STARTED OUT AS AN IDEA OF DOING BIG SHOWS IN AUDITORIUMS AROUND THE COUNTRY. THAT WAS TOO EXPENSIVE SO WE DECIDED TO START AT KUNM WITH A HALF HOUR SHOW ONCE A MONTH. WE'RE STILL ON KUNM THE LAST FRIDAY ON THE MONTH WITH PEACE TALKS RADIO. AND I'LL LET SUZANNE TALK ABOUT THE CONCEPT OF HOW WE WANTED TO APPROACH IT. IT WASN'T LIKE WE WERE GOING TO TRY TO FIGURE OUT ALL THE POLITICAL PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD. >> WE WEREN'T.

WE ALSO WANTED TO FOCUS A LOT THE FACT THAT THE MEDIA IS OFTEN FOCUSED ON VIOLENCE. AND, SO, WE FELT LIKE, WELL, WHERE IN THE WORLD IS THERE ANY MEDIA ON PEACE AND THAT IS WHERE WE CREATED A SHOW ON PEACE. >> INTERESTING CONCEPT WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT IT. SIMPLE IDEA, WHERE IS THE MEDIA VOICES ABOUT PEACE? YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE ALL OVER THE LANDSCAPE JUST A NATURAL THING, WOULDN'T IT? CAROL, WHEN YOU CAME ON BOARD A FEW YEARS LATER AFTER THE SHOW STARTED, IT SEEMS TO ME THE SHOW WAS JUST AS RELEVANT AT THAT TIME, TODAY AND STILL WILL BE RELEVANT TOMORROW AS FAR AS THE WORLD IS CONCERNED. GOING TO LOSE ITS RELEVANCY. WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO HAVE WARS AND CONFLICTS AND PEACE TALKS IS NOT JUST ABOUT WARS AND CONFLICTS, IT IS ACTUALLY QUITE SURPRISING, THE LITTLE NOOKS AND CRANNIES WE FIND APPLY VERY MUCH TO NON-CONFLICT RESOLUTION AND PEACE MAKING. >> INTERESTING, TALK ABOUT THAT. BECAUSE IT IS A BUZZ TERM RIGHT NOW, CONFLICT RESOLUTION, THAT KIND OF THING. TELL ME ABOUT THE APPROACH IN

THE SHOW AND HOW YOU GUYS APPROACH THAT WHOLE IDEA OF RESOLUTION? >> WELL, YOU KNOW, BY THE WAY, WE HAVE ALL OF OUR PROGRAMS ON LINE AT PEACETALKSRADIO.COM AND YOU CAN SEE EVERYTHING GOING BACK TO THE VERY FIRST YEAR. AND TOPICS WE COVER ARE TOTALLY AMAZING. I PERSONALLY AT SOME POINT DURING THIS, I WOULD LIKE TO TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE PROGRAMS THAT ARE REALLY MEANINGFUL TO ME THAT WE HAVE DONE, BUT -- NOT BUT. THERE IS A PROGRAM I DID, DO YOU REMEMBER DR. AARON WOLF FROM PORTLAND STATE UNIVERSITY, WHO WORKS WITH -- HE GOES AROUND THE WORLD AND HE HAS AS PART OF WHAT HE DOES AND WORKS WITH CONFLICTS OVER WATER USE. AND I DON'T THINK THERE ARE MANY PEOPLE WHO MIGHT THINK THAT THAT IS AN AREA OF CONFLICT OR POTENTIAL CONFLICT AND HE HAS WORKED WITH TRIBES AND FOLKS IN VILLAGES ALL AROUND THE WORLD. SO THAT IS AN EXAMPLE WHERE YOU MIGHT NOT THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE AN ISSUE TO TALK ABOUT IN TERMS OF PEACE MAKING AND CONFLICT RESOLUTION.

>> I THINK THE 9-11 EVENT WAS VERY DISEMPOWERING TO PEOPLE IN TERMS OF FEELING LIKE WHAT CAN I DO TO HAVE ANY IMPACT ON THIS? I THINK FROM THE START, SUZANNE AND I WERE WORKING MOSTLY FROM SORT OF A CONCENTRIC CIRCLE MODELS WORKING ON ISSUES OF INNER PEACE AND THEN PEACE BETWEEN PEOPLE IN THE WORKPLACE AND THEIR FAMILIES AND THEIR RELATIONSHIPS. AND, THEN, YOU KNOW, GOING OUT FROM THERE TO NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN MAYBE TO NATIONS AND I THINK WE SPENT A LITTLE BIT MORE TIME EVEN HELPING PEOPLE DEVELOP A TOOL KIT FOR HOW TO DEAL WITH CONFLICT IN THEIR OWN LIVES. YOU KNOW, THERE IS THAT FAMOUS SEINFELD, THE SHOW ABOUT NOTHING, WHERE THEY TRY TO SELL THE SHOW TO NBC AND JERRY AND GEORGE ARE THERE AND GEORGE SAYS, TO THE NBC HEAD, WHAT DID YOU DO TODAY? THE GUY SAID, "WELL, I GOT UP AND WENT TO WORK." THERE IS A SHOW. FOR US, IT IS LIKE, WELL YOU GET UP AND YOU START WITH KIND OF AN UNEASY FEELING ABOUT YOURSELF AND YOUR FUTURE. THAT IS AN INNER CONFLICT THAT

MAYBE SOME SELF TALK HELP WOULD BE HELPFUL. YOU HAVE A CONFLICT WITH YOUR SPOUSE OR WITH YOUR KID ABOUT THE VIDEO GAMES. THESE ARE TWO MORE SHOWS. YOU GET INTO TRAFFIC, YOU HAVE THREE PEOPLE CUT YOU OFF AND EXPERIENCE SOME TRAVEL RAGE, THAT IS A SHOW WE HAVE DONE. YOU GO TO WORK, CONFLICTS OF WORK. SO, WE ARE ALWAYS LOOKING FOR THOSE AREAS AND WE WILL SPEND THE TIME TO GIVE PEOPLE SOME IDEAS, TALK WITH EXPERTS, PEOPLE WHO HAVE EXPERIENCE AND THOUGHT ABOUT IT TO GIVE PEOPLE A TOOL KIT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT CONFLICT IN THEIR OWN LIVES. >> INTERESTING YOU JUST SAID PHRASE TOOL KIT. I WAS JUST THINKING AS I WAS LISTENING TO YOU, SUPPLYING A PERSONAL TOOL KIT FOR PEOPLE TO FUNCTION THROUGH THEIR DAY, THEIR LIVES REALLY. THIS IS MUCH -- TO ME IT IS MUCH BIGGER THAN INTERNATIONAL CONFLICT AND TRYING TO PARSE REASONS WHY COUNTRIES INVADE. THAT IS MORE REAL LIFE STUFF. ARE YOU GETTING THAT KIND OF FEEDBACK FROM YOUR LISTENERS AS WELL. >> WE DO AND WE TEACH -- PAUL OFTEN SAYS ALL THE GUESTS SAY THE SAME THING. THEY ALL TALK ABOUT COMPASSION AND EMPATHY AND LISTENING.

YOU KNOW, THEY SAY, IN AMERICA, PEOPLE LISTEN BECAUSE THEY ARE THINKING OF THE NEXT THING THEY WANT TO SAY. BUT OFTEN WE HEAR OUR GUESTS SAY, PLEASE LISTEN TO WHAT THE PERSON SAID. WE FIND THAT IS A GOOD TOOL KIT, A GOOD TECHNIQUE TO DO. >> EXACTLY RIGHT. I DO WANT TO GET TO SOME OF THOSE FAVORITE GUESTS YOU HAD. >> ONE THING I DO WANT TO SAY IS THAT PEACE TALKING, IS WE ARE ALL ABOUT STORIES AND FLUSHING OUT THE STORIES THAT PEOPLE HAVE TO TELL THAT ENGAGE PEOPLE AND I AM ALWAYS THINKING ABOUT THE STORIES THAT I WOULD LIKE TO HELP ELICIT FROM OUR GUESTS. THE STORIES THAT ARE GOING TO KEEP PEOPLE JUST STUCK TO THEIR RADIO OR THE COMPUTER OR WHATEVER DEVICE THEY USE. AND I LOVE IT WHEN PEOPLE TALK ABOUT, AND I THINK WE PROBABLY ALL HAVE EXPERIENCED, WHEN PEOPLE HAVE HAD THOSE DRIVES ON THE WAY HOME WHERE THEY ARE IN THEIR CAR AND THEY HAVE GOTTEN TO THE DESTINATION, BUT THEY CAN'T GET OUT OF THE CAR, BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A COMPELLING STORY.

SO I AM VERY PROUD OF THE STORIES WE ARE ABLE TO GET FROM OUR GUESTS IN INTERVIEWS THAT WE DO. >> I JUST HAVE TO THROW IT OUT, AS AN OLD RADIO GUY, THE RADIO WILL MAKE YOU STICK IN THE CAR IN THE DRIVEWAY. IT ABSOLUTELY WILL. I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING THAT. TELEVISION IS JUST NOT THAT POWERFUL. >> ANY FEEDBACK FROM GUESTS WHERE PEOPLE SAT IN THE DRIVEWAY AND HAD TO KEEP LISTENING? >> I HAVE FOUND AS A RESULT OF DOING THIS PROGRAM AND A LOT OF MOVED BY THE POWERFULNESS OF THE ACT OF FORGIVENESS AND IT JUST SO HAPPENS A FEW SHOWS THAT I HAVE DONE HAVE ACTUALLY TOUCHED ON THAT. I THINK FORGIVENESS, BEING ABLE TO FORGIVE IS ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL THINGS PEOPLE CAN DO AND CAN CREATE PEACE IN ONE'S LIFE AND LARGER. SO, ONE OF THE MOST POWERFUL STORIES THAT WE HAD THAT I HAVE HEARD ABOUT A NUMBER OF DRIVEWAY MOMENTS IS I INTERVIEWED AZEEM KAMISA, WHO IS A MAN IN SAN

DIEGO WHO HIS SON, COLLEGE AGE, WAS DELIVERING PIZZA TO EARN EXTRA MONEY AND HE WAS SHOT AND KILLED. HE WAS MURDERED. THE LONG STORY SHORT IS AZEEM WHO, WAS GRIEF STRICKEN AND WENT THROUGH A WHOLE LOT OVER THE LOSS OF HIS SON, MET THE GRANDFATHER AND GUARDIAN OF THE YOUNG GANG MEMBER WHO KILLED AZEEM'S SON AND WHAT THEY WOUND UP DOING WAS FORMING A FOUNDATION AND GOING INTO SCHOOLS AND TEACHING YOUNG PEOPLE ABOUT PEACE MAKING AND BULLIES, ANTI-BULLYING, AND THEY BECAME BEST FRIENDS. AND IT WAS AMAZING THAT AS A RESULT OF THE LOSS OF THIS YOUNG MAN, THE NUMBER OF CHILDREN NOW

IN THAT CALIFORNIA DISTRICT, AND THEY TRAVEL ALL OVER DOING THIS, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE STILL DOING IT, THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IMPACTED BY THIS ONE DEATH. >> THAT STORY REMINDS ME OF ONE I DID AN INTERVIEW WITH FRANK TELARDO AND PHIL PEREA IN TAOS AND PHIL'S SON KILLED FRANK'S SON AND THEY WERE WORKING TOGETHER IN TAOS. IT TAKES AMAZING COURAGE THAT MUCH FORGIVENESS. SO I DON'T WANT PEOPLE TO THINK WE PREACH TO THE CHOIR. I WANT EVERYONE TO BE ABLE TO LISTEN TO THIS PROGRAM PEACE TALKS RADIO AND REALIZE IF YOU CAN DO A LITTLE OF THIS, NOT MAYBE THAT LEVEL OF FORGIVENESS, I THINK IT IS AMAZING, WHAT PEOPLE WOULD DO. AND WHEN WE TALK TO PEOPLE IN THE FAMILIES OF PEOPLE KILLED IN 9-11 IN THE TOWERS. HOW DO THEY FORGIVE? THEY DO IT. >> INTERESTING. >> I JUST WANT TO SAY,

SOMEHOW, YOU KNOW, PEACE HAS ACQUIRED PURSUIT OF IDEALISTIC HIPPIES OR APPEASEMENT SOFTIES OR SOMETHING. IN FACT, SOME PEOPLE HAVE SAID, YOU SHOULD TAKE PEACE OUT OF THE TITLE BECAUSE PEOPLE WILL THINK IT IS SOME SORT OF ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT RADICAL SHOW AND IT IS NOT. IF YOU TOOK A SURVEY OF PEOPLE AND SAID, DO YOU WANT LESS CONFLICTS, MORE PEACE IN YOUR LIFE, I THINK YOU WOULD BE IN THE UPPER 90'S ON APPROVAL OF THIS STATEMENT. SO, I THINK WE HAVE TO GET MORE COMFORTABLE WITH WHAT PEACE MEANS AND WE DO PUT CONFLICT RESOLUTION BECAUSE AGAIN IF YOU THINK ABOUT YOUR DAY, YOU'RE GOING TO RUN INTO CONFLICT ALL THE TIME. IF YOU HAVE BETTER IDEAS ABOUT HOW TO DEAL WITH IT, THERE IS MORE PEACE FOR YOU AND MORE PEACE FOR THE WORLD. >> INTERESTING. THE SCOPE OF YOUR AUDIENCE INTERESTS ME AS WELL. YOU HAVE AN INTERNATIONAL LISTENERSHIP LITERALLY, GETTING FEEDBACK FROM ALL OVER THE WORLD. I'M CURIOUS IF THERE ARE COMMONALITIES YOU GET IN THE FEEDBACK, LIKE NO MATTER WHERE, WHAT CONTINENT, WHAT BACKGROUND,

IS THERE A COMMON THREAD IN OUR WORLD HOW WE APPROACH CONFLICT AND PEACE THAT YOU ARE FINDING? >> EVERYBODY IS GRATEFUL THAT SOMEBODY IS TAKING THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT IT. BECAUSE, THEY DO RECOGNIZE THAT THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA SPENDS A LOT OF TIME JUST PROVIDING A LIST OF CONFLICTS WITHOUT SOLUTIONS. I DID A LITTLE CONTENT ANALYSIS OF A NETWORK NEWSCAST LAST WEEK. AND 77% OF THE STORIES WERE ABOUT CONFLICT BUT NOTHING ABOUT HOW TO RESOLVE CONFLICT. THE HISTORY CHANNEL IS ALL ABOUT THE WARS NOT ABOUT THE PEACE TREATIES OR THE TIMES WHEN NATIONS AVOIDED WAR. SO, I THINK PEOPLE, INSTINCTIVELY, THEY FEEL THAT THERE IS A NEED. THEY ARE A LITTLE HOPELESS ABOUT MEDIA, FRANKLY, TO DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. AND THEN WHEN WE COME UPON OUR SHOW, WHERE, YOU KNOW, WE SLOW THINGS DOWN AND ACTUALLY TAKE THE TIME TO LOOK AT A SCENARIO THAT EITHER CERTAINLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH THEIR LIVES OR THEY KNOW SOMEBODY WHO IS STRUGGLING IN WORK OR FAMILY OR

STRUGGLING WITH RAISING KIDS, THAT THEY WALK AWAY WITH SOME IDEAS. DID YOU HEAR ABOUT THE SHOW ON THE WEB AT PEACE TALKS RADIO, YOU CAN FIND IT. I HAVE A FEELING THERE IS A LOT OF SHARING GOING ON THAT SOMETIMES, AS YOU KNOW, IN MEDIA WE DON'T ALWAYS GET TO HEAR ABOUT, BUT THE FEW TIMES YOU DO GIVES A SENSE THAT IT IS WORTH DOING AND STILL TRYING TO RAISE THE FUNDS TO DO THE SHOWS TO KEEP GOING. >> IT IS HARD TO KEEP YOURSELF OUT THERE, TOO. IT IS A BUSY MEDIA WORLD TO GET FOLKS TO UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO DO LET ALONE TO KNOW OF YOU. WE'RE GRATEFUL TO BE ABLE TO GIVE YOU GUYS THE OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT PEACE TALKS RADIO. IT IS AN IMPORTANT PART OF ALBUQUERQUE'S CULTURAL FABRIC, IT SEEMS TO ME. YOU'RE BRINGING SOMETHING TO THE WORLD THAT SAYS SOMETHING GOOD ABOUT ALBUQUERQUE THAT WE ARE EXTENDING OURSELVES OUT THERE THIS WAY. >> GOOD TO SEE, NEVER GET TO SEE YOU. >> GOOD TO SEE YOU, I ALWAYS SEE YOU BUT -- >> THANK YOU GUYS, SUZANNE & PAULL, VERY MUCH FOR PEACE TALKS RADIO. >> THANKS FOR HAVING US AND THANKS FOR THE WORK YOU DO, TOO. >> THE BOYD SHOOTING,

YOU KNOW, RIPPED A SCAB OFF A WOUND THAT WE HADN'T REALLY BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO, BUT ONCE IT WAS OFF, THEN PEOPLE STARTED TO UNDERSTAND, MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE LIKE THAT. SO THEY WOULD BE CLUELESS, HAVE NO IDEA THERE ARE SO MANY OF THESE, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAD HAD LITTLE INTERACTIONS, THAT PUT A SEED IN THE BACK OF THEIR MIND. ALL OF A SUDDEN, THESE PEOPLE ARE THINKING, I CAN SEE HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN. >> BACK WITH THE COUNTDOWN AND NO. 3 THIS YEAR RANKS HIGH ON EVERY YEAR, THE ECONOMY. WE SAW A DESPERATE SCRAMBLE TO COMPETE WITH OTHER STATES TO FACTORY FOR TESLA MOTORS. THE EXPLOSION OF CALIFORNIAN SPACESHIP II HAS THROWN EVEN MORE UNCERTAINTY INTO THE FUTURE OF SPACEPORT AMERICA AND VIRGIN GALACTIC HERE AND NOW THE TOP PERFORMING SECTOR OIL AND GAS IS WEAKENING AS OIL PRICES DROP. HOWEVER, WE'RE ALWAYS MOVING IN FILM AND TV PRODUCTION. BIG PUSH IN ENTREPRENEURSHIP.

WHAT STANDS OUT FOR YOU WHEN YOU LIKE BACK? WHAT WORKED IN THE ECONOMY THIS PAST YEAR FOR BUSINESS? WE'LL START WITH WHAT WORKED AND DO WHAT DIDN'T WORK >> SOMETHING A LOT OF PEOPLE SEEM TO BE EXCITED ABOUT AND FEELING SOME MOMENTUM AROUND IS THE PUSH IN ALBUQUERQUE TO GROW MORE ENTREPRENEURIAL COMPANIES AND GROW INNOVATION HERE AND KIND OF, RATHER THAN DANGLING INCENTIVES AT BIG COMPANIES IN HOPES OF LURING THEM HERE, TRY AND GROW OUR OWN COMPANIES. IT IS AN INTERESTING APPROACH. ONE OF THE CHALLENGES IS THAT IT TAKES TIME. AND, WE NEED JOBS NOW, TOO. >> EXACTLY RIGHT, THE MAYOR, AS RACHEL MENTIONED, RUSSELL, HE HAS SEEN THIS AS 20 YEAR DEAL. IT IS A GENERATION-LONG THING. PLANT SEEDS NOW AS THEY SAY. WHAT WORKED FOR YOU WHEN YOU LOOKED AT THE ECONOMY GOING BACK THIS PAST YEAR. >> DEFINITELY THE HOLLYWOOD, TV INDUSTRY AND THE FILMS WE'RE GETTING, THE TYPES OF SHOWS WE ARE GETTING, WE ARE GETTING IN PEOPLES' MINDS ABOUT NEW MEXICO. THEY SEE THE LANDSCAPE AND THEY VISIT. I HAVE SEEN AN UP TICK

ON THAT. WE HAVE HAD SUCCESSFUL, I BELIEVE, TOURISM PUSH FOR THE STATE AND AGAIN IF YOU GET HERE, YOU LOVE IT, BUT YOU HAVE TO GET PEOPLE HERE AND THAT IS HELPING US. I THINK IN THE LONG-TERM THAT HAS BEEN BENEFICIAL. >> PATRICK, SPACEPORT, I MENTIONED THAT IN THE SETUP. IT IS AN INTERESTING SITUATION, OF COURSE, WITH THE TRAGEDY IN CALIFORNIA, THAT THIS KIND OF PUSHED THINGS BACK, YEAR-AND-A-HALF, TWO YEARS, WHO KNOWS HOW LONG IT IS GOING TO BE, BUT IT IS SOMETHING. WHAT DID THAT DO FOR LOCAL FOLKS? THEY ARE READY TO START REAPING SOME INCOME FROM THIS LIKE NOW. WAITING INDEFINITELY AND I THINK THAT IS WHAT THE CONCERN IS FROM SOME WHO SUPPORTED SUBSIDIES AND OTHER THINGS, ONE JOKE IS THEY MIGHT AS WELL HAVE BUILT THE STADIUM FOR THE OAKLAND RAIDERS IN ALAMOGORDO WITH THAT MONEY. IF IT DOES TAKE OFF, CERTAINLY IT WILL MEAN A LOT AND THERE ARE SUPPORTERS OF IT WHO WILL SAY IT IS PLANTING THE SEED FOR OTHER ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT IN THE EDUCATION ARENA AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THERE IS STEM TYPE EXPOSURE THAT IS GETTING YOUNG STUDENTS INTERESTED IN THE SCIENCES AND BUILDING YOUR OWN IN NEW

MEXICO SORT OF HOME GROWN THEORY ON THAT, BUT, REALLY, IT HASN'T EARNED ITS KEEP AND WE'LL SEE WHETHER IT EVER DOES. >> STAY WITH SPACEPORT, YOUR POINT OF VIEW ON THIS. YOU HAVE DONE SOME WRITING FOR OTHER PUBLICATIONS ABOUT SPACEPORT. LOT. THE GENERAL CONSENSUS AMONG THE PEOPLE I HAVE TALKED TO DOWN IN T OR C ARE WAITING TO GET BUSSED IN SEATS IN THEIR RESTAURANTS AND HOTELS, THEY HAVE NO OTHER OPTION THAN TO KEEP MOVING FORWARD. WE ARE ALREADY IN IT, WE HAVE PAID FOR THE THING. THERE IS NOTHING TO DO BUT JUST CROSS YOUR FINGERS AND WAIT. THERE IS NOW INCREASED PRESSURE ON THE STATE TO DIVERSIFY AND DO IT QUICKLY, WHICH SHOULD, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY SAYS, HAVE BEEN A BIGGER PART OF THE IDEA FROM THE BEGINNING. BUT, THE LURE OF BRANSON AND THE SHOW THAT HE BRINGS AND MONEY HE IS ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER DRIVES A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF HOPE AND PEOPLE DOWN THERE HAVE NOT

LOST IT. >> THAT IS INTERESTING. I STARTED BY ASKING WHAT YOU THOUGHT WORKED. I AM SURPRISED NOBODY BROUGHT UP OIL AND GAS SEEMS TO BE WORKING, RIGHT, BUT AT WHAT COST DO WE HAVE OIL AND GAS, IF THERE IS ONE? >> CERTAINLY YOU TALK TO THE FOLKS IN HOBBS AND THEY SEE ABSOLUTELY EXPLOSIVE GROWTH AS A RESULT OF THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. YOU ALSO SEE, NOW, THE UP'S AND DOWN'S THAT INDUSTRY CAN BRING AS YOU SEE WITH THE FALLING OIL PRICES, AFFECTING THE STATE BUDGET PROJECTION. >> STAY WITH OIL AND GAS AND ENERGY SPECIFICALLY, THINGS GOING ON WITH NATURAL GAS TOO AND OTHER THINGS. ARE WE IN A GOOD POSITION ON LONG HOLD? >> TECHNOLOGY WE ARE BECAUSE OF ALL THE ADVANCES IN FRAKING AND GAS, AND SO FORTH, SO THE NORTHWEST PART OF THE STATE IS DOING WELL WITH THAT INDUSTRY, BUT THE FALLING PRICES, THAT FUNDS OUR EDUCATIONAL SYSTEM. WE RELIED ON THAT FOR A LONG TIME. WITH ALL THESE DEMANDS FOR THOSE FUNDS, IF THAT FALLS, THAT IS ONE OF THE POSITIVE ASPECTS FOR THE STATE AND THAT COULD HURT US. >> INTERESTING.

NEW SUBJECT AND SPEAKING OF THE ECONOMY, NEW MEXICO RELIES HEAVILY ON THE NATIONAL LABORATORIES AND NUCLEAR INDUSTRY AND THOSE TOOK A BLOW THIS YEAR. OUR NO. 2 CHOICE FOR TOP STORY, IS THE WASTE ISOLATION PILOT PLANT AND LOS ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORY. A BARREL OF WASTE PACKED AT LANL AND SENT TO WIPP SUBSEQUENTLY RUPTURED SHUTTING DOWN THE FACILITY AND CALLING INTO QUESTION THE PROCESSES IN PLACE AT BOTH LOCATIONS. AND, PATRICK, YOU HAVE BEEN ALL OVER THIS STORY, HAVE TO TIP MY HAT TO YOU FOR THE WORK YOU HAVE DONE ON THIS PARTICULAR BEAT. TALK ABOUT WIPP FIRST AND WE'LL GET TO LANL IN A SECOND. IT'S HARD TO PARSE WHAT THE VERY, VERY BEGINNING OF THIS WAS. IT SEEMED SO LONG AGO, BUT THE FIRST PROBLEM HAPPENED WITH THAT BARREL AND YOU WERE TRYING TO PARSE THE STORY AND GET INFORMATION OUT OF THIS, HOW DIFFICULT WAS IT TO GET INFORMATION OUT OF THE WIPP FOLKS AND TAKE US THROUGH THAT PROCESS. >> IT HAS BEEN DIFFICULT INFORMATION. IN SOME WAYS I AM SYMPATHETIC TO THE SAME PEOPLE THAT MAKE IT DIFFICULT FOR ME TO GET INFORMATION BECAUSE THEIR HANDS ARE TIED IN SOME WAYS. AND THEY ARE PART OF A BIG FEDERAL BUREAUCRACY, WHICH HAS THEN HAS THESE THICKETS OF CONTRACTOR GATEKEEPERS AND THINGS LIKE THAT, BUT, REALLY, WHAT WE FOUND IS THERE WAS NOT

A LOT OF OPENNESS AND EVEN MORE IMPORTANTLY THAN WITH PEOPLE LIKE ME, WITH THE VERY PEOPLE THAT HAD TO GO INTO WIPP, THEY DIDN'T KNOW WHAT SOME OF THE HAZARDS WERE. THERE WERE OBSTACLES PLACED IN THEIR WAY, FRANKLY, THROUGH INADEQUATE DESCRIPTIONS OF THIS WASTE FROM THE FOLKS AT LANL THAT MADE IT TO THE POINT WHERE THEY WERE GOING FACE-TO-FACE WITH THIS STUFF, AFTER IT RUPTURED IN FEBRUARY, NOT KNOWING REALLY HOW VOLATILE IT WAS. >> THAT IS INTERESTING. CREDIBILITY ISSUES SEEMS TO BE AT PLAY HERE. FROM WHAT PATRICK DESCRIBED AND WHAT WE HAVE READ FROM THE PRESS ALL YEAR, YOU WOULD THINK THIS WOULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO BE VERY FORTHCOMING WITH INFORMATION. [LAUGHTER] >> THAT IS HILARIOUS. NO. AND, YOU KNOW, AS WE SEE WITH EVERYTHING ELSE, WHEN OR WON'T GIVE INFORMATION, IT JUST GETS EVERYBODY WAY MORE FREAKED OUT. >> SAME APPLY TO LANL? DID WE GET WHAT WE NEEDED TO GET

FROM THEM RIGHT OFF THE BAT? WE WOULD SEE THESE TOWN HALLS AND THEY SAID, WE HAVE NOTHING NEW TO OFFER, BUT DO YOU HAVE QUESTIONS? WELL, THEY WOULD ASK QUESTIONS AND, WELL, WE CAN'T ANSWER THAT. YOU'RE ANXIETY IS GOING TO GROW AND RUMORS SPREAD AND SO FORTH AND I THINK THIS JUST HIGHLIGHTED AGAIN LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. IF YOU CANNOT GIVE US SOME INFORMATION ABOUT THIS SITUATION, WHAT ELSE ARE YOU HIDING? IT IS A CULTURAL THING BECAUSE LANL HAS BEEN THIS WAY FOR YEARS. IN MANY WAYS, THEY HAVE BEEN THE BIG EGO, LIKE WE'RE LANL, NOBODY IS THERE TO QUESTION US, YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT WE ARE DOING. SO, NOW PEOPLE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS AND I KIND OF FEEL WHAT PATRICK WAS SAYING, THEY ARE IN A DIFFERENT SITUATION, DIFFERENT GAME. >> FOR BUSINESS, THERE IS SUBCONTRACTORS, LOTS OF BUSINESS AROUND THE AREA, HAVING A SHUTDOWN IS A MAJOR PROBLEM FOR THAT COMMUNITY. >> HUGE FOR CARLSBAD. YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY AND SEEING PEOPLE AT SOME OF THESE

MEETINGS, THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO IF ANYTHING FURTHER HAPPENED BEING IN THAT AREA. YOU OFTEN SEE PEOPLE ASKING OR WANTING THE OPERATIONS TO CONTINUE AND MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN ECONOMIC DRIVER THERE. >> THAT BRINGS ME BACK TO PATRICK MALONE AND YOUR REPORTING WAS THE EMAILS YOU DUG UP ABOUT SAFETY ISSUES. TALK ABOUT THAT A LITTLE BIT AND WHY THAT SHOULD CONCERN EVERYBODY, SO TO SPEAK. >> IT SHOULD CONCERN THEM. FIRST OF ALL, BECAUSE OF THE LACK OF TRANSPARENCY. I MEAN THERE WERE DAILY MEETINGS GOING ON AND WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A TIME PERIOD OF ABOUT MAY INTO JUNE OF THIS YEAR, WHEN YOU HAD WIPP FOLKS ON THE PHONE WITH LANL FOLKS WITH NEW MEXICO ENVIRONMENT DEPARTMENT LISTENING IN AND U.S. DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY IS ON THE PHONE, AND IN THE COURSE OF THOSE, CERTAIN THINGS WERE NOT EVEN DISCUSSED; THINGS LIKE THE POSSIBILITY THAT THIS VERY DRUM THAT RUPTURED HAD ALL THE SAME INGREDIENTS AS A PATENTED PLASTIC EXPLOSIVE AND THIS WAS NOT BEING SHARED WITH THE WIPP WORKERS WHO WERE

GOING INTO THE VERY FACE OF THIS WASTE. ON TOP OF THAT, WE COME TO FIND OUT WEEKS AFTER THE FIRST ENTRIES THAT THERE WAS A VERY REAL CONCERN AMONG CHEMISTS AND NUCLEAR WASTE EXPERTS THAT ANOTHER RUPTURE COULD OCCUR SENDING TEMPERATURES INTO THE HUNDREDS OF DEGREES FAHRENHEIT WITH PEOPLE THERE, OR, ACTUALLY, EXCUSE ME, CENTIGRADE. WE ARE TALKING ALMOST 1000-DEGREES FAHRENHEIT AND NO RUBBER SUIT PROTECTS YOU FROM THAT. AND THESE WORKERS ARE VERY CONCERNED BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT SEEING THE SAFETY ASSESSMENTS THAT ARE BEING CONDUCTED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF ENERGY AND CONTRACTORS DOWN THERE AND THERE IS A LOT OF CONCERN AMONG THEM THAT THEY ARE PAWNS IN A MULTI-BILLION DOLLAR GAME; THAT WORK DOES NEED TO CONTINUE DOWN THERE IN ORDER TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS AND MAKE IT SAFE FOR THE FUTURE, BUT SOME OF THE WORKERS GOING INTO THAT UNDERGROUND ARE FEARING FOR THEIR LIVES EVERYDAY. >> I WOULD IMAGINE THIS PUTS OUR DELEGATION IN A TOUGH SPOT

TOO, INCLUDING REPRESENTATIVE PEARCE. >> I THINK A BIG PART OF THE TENSION IS, YOU KNOW, I TALK TO PEOPLE IN CARLSBAD TOO WHO ARE ALL REALLY SUPPORTIVE. THEY WANT TO GET BACK TO WORK, THEY LOVE THIS PROJECT AND TOTALLY DOWNPLAY TALK OF THE DANGERS BECAUSE IT IS SO ESSENTIAL TO THE ECONOMY DOWN THERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE GOING ON AND SO THEY ARE DESPERATE FOR THIS WORK AND THIS MONEY. THAT IS A TOUGH PLACE TO BE. >> WE HAVE FINES ON THE TABLE. THERE IS A LOT OF MONEY FLOATING AROUND NOW, BECAUSE, AGAIN, FOLKS ARE GOING TO BE GUARANTEED THEIR INCOME FOR A LITTLE BIT OF TIME BUT NOBODY IS SAYING IT IS GUARANTEED FOREVER. >> THEY WANT TO GET BACK TO THE WORK AND THE FINES, THEY MEAN NOTHING IF THEY DON'T ADDRESS STRUCTURAL CHANGES TO PREVENT THIS FROM HAPPENING. >> WE ARE RIGHT BACK WITH OUR NO. 1 STORY FOR 2014. EXAMPLE OF THE WAY THAT WE IN NEW MEXICO TEND TO JUST GET ALONG AND KIND OF LEAVE THESE

THINGS BE FOR A WHILE AND THEN A CONTROVERSY LIKE THIS COMES UP AND YOU REALIZE THERE ARE SIMMERING POTS OUT THERE AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PULL UP THE LID AND YOU ARE LIKE, WHOA. >> IT IS PROBABLY NO SURPRISE THAT OUR TOP STORY FOR THE YEAR IS ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT IN A DAMNING REPORT ABOUT ITS USE OF FORCE BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. A STANDOFF BETWEEN A HOMELESS CAMPER IN THE SANDIA FOOTHILLS THAT ENDED IN A FAILED THRUST THESE PROBLEMS INTO THE SPOTLIGHT. PROTEST FOLLOWED AND DEMANDS FOR REFORM. DOJ AND THE CITY SIGNED A CONSENT DECREE RECENTLY LAYING OUT A PATH FOR REFORMING. THE DA HAS NEVER PURSUED CHARGES IN A POLICE SHOOTING. LOOKS LIKE MS. BRANDENBURG MIGHT BE IN THIS CASE. WHY WOULD THAT BE? IS THE PUBLIC LOOKING FOR RESOLUTION SOONER THAN LATER. >> YEAH. THE BOYD SHOOTING RIPPED A SCAB OFF A WOUND THAT WE HADN'T REALLY BEEN PAYING ATTENTION TO. BUT, ONCE IT WAS OFF, THEN

PEOPLE STARTED TO UNDERSTAND, I MEAN, MOST PEOPLE DON'T HAVE NEGATIVE INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE LIKE THAT, SO THEY WOULD BE CLUELESS, HAVE NO IDEA THERE ARE SO MANY OF THESE, BUT FOR PEOPLE WHO HAD LITTLE INTERACTIONS, THAT PUT A SEED INTO THEIR MIND, ALL OF SUDDEN WHERE ALL THESE PEOPLE ARE THINKING, I CAN SEE HOW THAT COULD HAPPEN. BUT IT IS STRAINS CREDULITY TO SEE SO MANY OF THESE LABELED JUSTIFIED, JUSTIFIED, JUSTIFIED SO THERE HAS TO BE AT SOME POINT -- >> IT DID DOMINATE THE SUMMER. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT PROTESTS IN THE STREET, BUT THE NEWS OF THE DECREE CAME DOWN AND WHAT THE AGREEMENT, SO TO SPEAK, WAS GOING TO BE ABOUT, THE COMMUNITY REACTION TO THAT, WHAT WAS YOUR SENSE OF IT? WAS IT A SATISFACTION? WAS THIS GOING TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM? IS IT ENOUGH? IS IT NOT ENOUGH? >> IT WAS MIXED. OF THOSE SHOT BY APD CAME OUT AND SAID, WE'RE REALLY -- THIS IS A GOOD STEP AND THEY WERE THERE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE AND SAID THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT

I WANT. THERE WERE SOME THAT WANTED MORE AND YOU STARTED TO SEE DIVISIONS NOW OF FOLKS SAYING, WELL, I WASN'T AT THE TABLE FOR NEGOTIATIONS. IT IS INTERNAL POLITICS AND THAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN BUT THERE IS A LOT OF WAIT AND SEE. AND THERE IS A LOT OF HOPE THAT THE FEDERAL MONITOR WILL HAVE TEETH FOR THESE REFORMS. THERE IS ALSO THE BACKLASH FROM THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE OFFICERS NOW WE'RE SEEING, THAT THEY WEREN'T CONSULTED BEFORE THE REPORT CAME OUT. WELL, YOU DIDN'T GIVE US A CHANCE TO SHOW OUR SIDE OF WHAT IS GOING ON. THIS ALSO HIGHLIGHTS A PROBLEM THAT WE HAVE NOT ADDRESSED THAT THE POLICE IS UNDERFUNDED. YOU HAVE FOLKS HERE WHO COME WITH A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF EDUCATION, WHO THEN DON'T KNOW IF THEY ARE GOING TO STAY IN THE FIELD BECAUSE OF THEIR PAY. SO YOU HAVE THIS INEQUALITY IN TRAINING AND SO FORTH AND WE'RE STARTING TO HAVE THOSE DISCUSSIONS AND I THINK IN COMMUNITY MEETINGS HOPEFULLY THAT WILL COME UP. >> RACHEL, WITH THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY, I HAVE TO IMAGINE AGAIN THIS IS NOT HELPFUL, SOMETHING LIKE THIS AND WE ARE PASSED IT AND THAT IS FINE AND GOOD, BUT WHEN THE SUMMER WAS BLOWING UP WHAT WERE

YOU SENSING AND HEARING FROM THE BUSINESS COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS SITUATION? >> IT IS A HUGE CONCERN. THAT THE CHAMBER OF COMMERCE FORMED A TASK FORCE TO LOOK AT APD ISSUES AND JUST LOOK AT HOW THAT IS AFFECTING THE COMMUNITY. THERE WERE REPORTS THAT PEOPLE WERE CANCELING TRIPS TO ALBUQUERQUE BECAUSE THEY WERE AFRAID ABOUT WHAT THEY ARE WERE SEEING ON THE NEWS. IT DEFINITELY, I THINK IT WAS A WAKE UP CALL TOO AS GWYNETH DESCRIBED IT, RIPPING A SCAB OFF A WOUND. WHEN THE BOYD SHOOTING STORY WENT NATIONAL AND WE SAW THAT OTHER PEOPLE WERE LOOKING AT ALBUQUERQUE THIS WAY, I THINK IT CHANGED THE WAY WE LOOK AT OURSELVES. >> DO YOU AGREE WITH THAT? >> YEAH, I THINK SO, HOW PEOPLE LOOK AT US. >> IT WAS HARD TO TAKE CALLS AND QUESTIONS FROM FRIENDS AND FAMILY WHO LIVED ELSEWHERE AND IT WAS HARD TO SAY, YEAH, IT IS HARD TO EXPLAIN HOW IT HAPPENED SO, I THINK IT WAS, YOU KNOW, FOR THOSE OF US NOT DIRECTLY IMPACTED BY IT, EMBARRASSING AT THE VERY LEAST. >> YOU SAT THIS SEAT

FOR AN EPIC INTERVIEW NOT LONG AFTER THIS WITH MAYOR BERRY AND TWO CONSULTANTS FROM CINCINNATI OVER HERE AND WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT TRANSPARENCY. YOU'RE THE BEST PERSON TO ASK; TRANSPARENCY ISSUES AS FAR AS IT WENT WITH THE CONSULTANTS AND OTHER THINGS, WHAT WAS YOUR SENSE OF HOW THAT ALL WENT AND HOW THE COMMUNITY RESPONDED TO THAT? >> THE PEOPLE IN THE COMMUNITY WHO WERE PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO IT WERE ALREADY DEEPLY ENGAGED AND RATHER UNTRUSTING AND SUSPICIOUS OF HOW THIS WOULD ALL PLAY THROUGH, AND I THINK HIRING CONSULTANTS GOT MAYOR BERRY PRAISE AND THEY CAME HIGHLY REGARDED, BUT, YOU KNOW, THE MORE INFORMATION WE KIND OF LOOKED AT, THE MORE THERE WAS HEAD SCRATCHING, I MEAN, YEAH, EVERYTHING COULD ALWAYS BE MORE TRANSPARENT. I THINK LEADERSHIP IS REALLY IMPORTANT IN THIS CASE AND PEOPLE ARE REALLY LOOKING TO THE MAYOR AND LOOKING TO THE COUNCIL AND TO CHIEF EDEN FOR A CHANGE IN PHILOSOPHY AND TONE AND ATTITUDE THAT IS LONGER THAN

ONE PRESS CONFERENCE, ONE INTERVIEW. >> SURE, ABSOLUTELY. RUSSELL CONTRERAS, WE HAVE THE IDEA OF LAPEL CAMS ON NATIONAL BASIS AFTER PRESIDENT'S SPEECH FOLLOWING FERGUSON, BUT WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT IT HERE FOR A QUITE A WHILE AND IT CAME DOWN A BUMPY ROAD WITH FORMER CHIEF SCHULTZ GETTING A CONTRACT WORKING WITH THE COMPANY THAT SUPPLIED THEM HERE AND EDEN TAKING OVER. TALK ABOUT THAT CHIEF TO CHIEF SWING AND HOW THAT HAS WORKED OUT FOR US. >> WELL, CHIEF GORDON IS COMING IN WITH STUFF THAT RAY SCHULTZ DID ON HIS OWN, FORCED TO DO, DECIDED TO DO, WHATEVER THE CASE. SO THERE IS INFRASTRUCTURE PLACED THAT APD, TO ITS CREDIT, SAW SOMETHING GOING AND STARTED MOVING IN THIS DIRECTION. WHAT I SAW, APD HAS FACED A LOT OF CRITICISM AND RECENTLY WITH THE DISCUSSIONS GOING ON IN FERGUSON AND CLEVELAND AND NEW YORK, AND AS I WAS WATCHING TALK SHOWS THE OTHER DAY, I HEARD SOMEONE SAY, WELL, FERGUSON NEEDS TO GET MORE ADVANCED LIKE THE ALBUQUERQUE POLICE DEPARTMENT. I THOUGHT, WHOA, WE TURNED FULL CIRCLE, THE FACT THEY HAVE LAPEL CAMERAS, THEY ARE RELEASING

VIDEO, FROM THEIR PERSPECTIVE THEY ARE TRANSPARENT, SO WE SHOULD REALLY LOOK AT OUR SPOT, AS DIFFICULT AS IT, LOOK AT IT FROM A NATIONAL PERSPECTIVE. AND SAY ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED FROM 2010 ON LED US TO THIS POINT. COMPARE IT TO OTHER CITIES. YES WE HAVE MOVED A LONG WAY. WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO. COMPARED TO FERGUSON, WE'RE ACTUALLY DOING PRETTY GOOD. >> I AM NOT SURE THAT IS -- >> WELL, THE LEVEL -- THE BAR IT HAS TO BE LOW. IN FACT, WE HAVE TO HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT JUSTICE IN THIS COUNTRY. RACE. AND THE GROWING INEQUALITY GAP. THAT IS RELEVANT TO ALL THIS. >> ALL PART OF IT AND THE OTHER PART, PATRICK MALONE, WAS MILITARIZATION OF THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENTS, ANOTHER ISSUE THAT CAME UP DURING THE PRESIDENT'S SPEECH, TAKE ANOTHER LOOK AT THAT, BUT ALBUQUERQUE IS NO DIFFERENT WITH THAT ISSUE. WE HAD THE DOJ REPORT ABOUT OUR SWAT SYSTEM WORKING ON ITS OWN, USING MILITARY STYLE TACTICS AND NO ONE WATCHES OVER AND TAKES LEADERSHIP. TALK ABOUT HOW THE MILITARIZATION FITS INTO THIS

IDEA. >> THERE IS CONCERNS ABOUT SPECIFICALLY TO NEW MEXICO THE CURRICULUM OF THE LAW ENFORCEMENT ACADEMY AND HOW, YOU KNOW, THEY PUT ESSENTIALLY STUDENTS WHO WERE GROWING UP TO BE OUR ALBUQUERQUE PD OFFICERS AND STATE POLICE, IN A VERY DEFENSIVE POSTURE, VERY WAR-LIKE POSTURE, AND THEN THEY ARE VERY RELUCTANT TO SHARE THIS. AND, IN FACT, THEY HAD THE ACADEMY TOLD ONE OF OUR REPORTERS, THEY WOULD BURN IT BEFORE HE WOULD GIVE IT TO THEM. HE DIDN'T AND WE GOT IT AND IT REFLECTED A WARRIOR-LIKE MENTALITY AND ONE THAT CAME AT A VERY DISCONCERTING TIME. BECAUSE THIS IS ALL HITTING THE FAN THIS YEAR IN 2014, BUT WE HAVE GOT TO REMEMBER THAT THE DOJ INVESTIGATION GOES BACK MORE THAN TWO YEARS. AND, SO, THE DEATH OF JAMES BOYD HAPPENS WHEN WE KNOW THERE IS A WATCHFUL EYE FROM DOJ ON US AND I THINK THERE IS A POLICE MENTALITY IN THIS COUNTRY THAT HAS US ALL A LITTLE BIT

AFRAID. AND WHERE THAT CHANGED IS THE SUBJECT OF SOME DEBATE, THAT THERE ARE MORE MILITARY FOLKS IN THE POLICE OR IS IT MORE OF A MUST SURVIVE AT ALL COST KIND OF THING. THE ROOTS OF THIS ARE SUBJECT TO DEBATE. BUT ITS EXISTENCE IS NOT. AND THEY ARE ON A VERY AGGRESSIVE FOOTING THAT PERHAPS THE DOJ SCRUTINY IS GOING TO DIAL BACK A STEP BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE CITY AND DOJ, IT SAYS THINGS LIKE, YOU WILL DO A FULL AND COMPLETE ASSESSMENT OF CITIZEN COMPLAINTS ABOUT BRUTALITY. YOU WILL TRAIN YOUR OFFICERS IN AN APPROPRIATE WAY, ONLY TO USE FORCE WHEN APPROPRIATE. DOES IT REALLY TAKE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE TO TELL US THAT OR ARE THESE THE BASIC EXPECTATIONS WE SHOULD HAVE OF THE PEOPLE THAT CARRY GUNS TO PROTECT US AND HAVE AUTHORITY TO PULL US OVER OR WHATEVER ELSE IN THE SOCIETY. >> GWYNETH, I HAVE NOT HAD THE OPPORTUNITY WORK CRIME BEAT. NEVER BEEN PART OF MY CAREER, BUT I KNOW MANY REPORTERS WHO

HAVE COME AWAY WITH A NEW RESPECT FOR THE POLICE. YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? THERE IS A LOT TO IT THAT WE DON'T GET TO SEE AND THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT WE JUST DON'T GET. HAVE YOU BEEN DOWN THAT ROAD AS WELL AND LOOKED AT THIS KIND OF THING? >> NO, BUT I KNOW SOME FOLKS THAT WORK IN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND AGAIN I AM GOING TO TALK ABOUT WHAT I HAVE BEEN SEEING ON FACEBOOK. THERE IS A CERTAIN NUMBER OF PEOPLE OUT THERE WHO I AM SEEING POST THINGS LIKE, THE POLICE ARE ALWAYS WRONG AND ALWAYS TOO AGGRESSIVE AND THEY ARE JUST OUT TO DO ALL THIS STUFF. AND I THINK, WELL, THAT IS REALLY NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT HOW HARD IT REALLY IS AND HOW DANGEROUS AND SCARY IT REALLY IS. BUT, THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP HAS CHANGED, YOU KNOW. THE ANDY GRIFFITH SHOW WASN'T A TOTALLY ACCURATE PORTRAYAL OF POLICING IN AMERICA, BUT IN SOME WAYS IT REALLY WAS AND IS ABSOLUTELY UNRECOGNIZABLE TO US TODAY, AND PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE THINGS THAT PATRICK MENTIONED AND PARTIALLY BECAUSE OF THE DRUG WARS AND THE INCREASED FUNDING COMING FROM

THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT TO LOCAL DEPARTMENTS FOR THAT, THE MILITARY SURPLUS THEY ARE SENDING DOWN AND INCREDIBLE LACK OF OVERSIGHT OF WATCHING SPECIAL FORCES AND POLICE DEPARTMENTS IN GENERAL BECAUSE MAYORAL LEADERSHIP CHANGES OVER AND THEY SAY, HOPE THIS KEEPS HAPPENING OVER HERE. AND ALSO ON THEIR OWN PARTS BECAUSE AT A CERTAIN LEVEL, INEQUALITY MEANS THAT SOME PEOPLE, WE SAW THIS IN FERGUSON, SOME PEOPLE JUST HAVE MANY MORE REGULAR INTERACTIONS WITH THE POLICE THAN THE REST OF US DO BECAUSE OUR TAILLIGHTS AREN'T CRACKED AND WE'RE NOT DRIVING THROUGH CERTAIN NEIGHBORHOODS AND MAYBE WE DON'T LOOK LIKE THE KIND OF PERSON THAT THEY ARE PULLING OVER MORE OFTEN OR WHO LOOKS DANGEROUS OR SOMEONE THEY HAVE APB OUT ON. SO I THINK FOR ALL THESE REASONS, MILITARIZATION IS GOING TO BE SOMETHING THAT WE KEEP LOOKING AT AND KEEP TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO TURN AROUND. >> EXACTLY RIGHT. ANOTHER THING THAT POPPED UP THIS YEAR, RUSSELL, WAS THE MARY HAHN CASE JUMPED UP AGAIN THIS

YEAR. WITHOUT MUCH RESOLUTION FOR FOLKS WHO WANT TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPENING WITH THAT AS WELL. >> IT CAME WITH THE NARRATIVE THAT SOMETHING IS GOING ON WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT, THEY ARE HIDING SOMETHING. THIS IS A CRITIC, THAT KIND OF THING, AND IT FITS IN WITH THE NARRATIVE ALSO WITH THE FAMILIES FINALLY COMING TOGETHER AND ORGANIZING, FORCIFULLY. THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN ORGANIZED AND WHEN YOU TALK TO SOMEONE LIKE THE TORRES FAMILY AND YOU LISTEN TO THEM AND FIND OUT THEY ARE GOOD PEOPLE, RAISED THEIR CHILD AND THE CHILD HAD A CERTAIN SITUATION, AND HAD THIS INTERACTION. YOU COUPLE THAT WITH THE MARY HAHN CASE AND CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE AT CITY HALL AND WE ARE LEFT WITH, WE'RE FALLING APART. SOMETHING IS GOING ON. >> WE ARE ON THE CLOCK, IN THIS YEAR-END EDITION, WE'LL TALK ABOUT THE STORIES THAT WERE IMPORTANT BUT DIDN'T QUITE MAKE THE COUNTDOWN. SEXUAL ASSAULT ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES WAS AN IMPORTANT NATIONAL STORY IN 2014. THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE BEGAN AN INVESTIGATION THIS FALL ON HOW THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO HANDLES SEXUAL ASSAULT ALLEGATIONS. GWYNETH WHAT IS THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THAT INVESTIGATION BECAUSE ONCE THOSE GUYS STEP IN,

THINGS CHANGE, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. IT IS NOT AS IF WE ARE POLICING OUR OWN ANYMORE. WHAT IS UPSHOT HERE FOR YOU? >> IT MAKES IT MORE OF A COMMUNITY CONVERSATION WHICH WHEN I TALK ABOUT THIS ISSUE WITH PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT AGES, I AM SURPRISED THE THINGS THAT I HEAR. AND IT HIGHLIGHTS FOR ME THE CHANGING NATURE OF RELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN YOUNG PEOPLE TODAY AND HOW COMPLETELY UNFAMILIAR THAT IS TO PEOPLE OF DIFFERENT GENERATIONS. THEY JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT IS THAT MEN AND WOMEN INTERACT IN COLLEGE TODAY. THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND SEXTING AND HOOKING UP AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND SEXUAL LIBERATION OF YOUNGER PEOPLE AND THEY DON'T TALK ABOUT IT. AND SO I THINK SOME OF THE THINGS THAT UNM HAS STARTED DOING PROACTIVELY ARE TRYING TO START THESE CONVERSATIONS AND TALK WITH VULNERABLE YOUNG PEOPLE WHO ARE VULNERABLE TO BEING ASSAULTED AND TO BE BEHAVING POORLY AND GET THEM

TALKING ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO SAY YES AND WHAT IT MEANS TO SAY NO AND WHAT IS A GOOD WAY TO TREAT ANOTHER HUMAN BEING AND WHAT IS NOT. >> THAT IS A GREAT RECAP. >> PAT, YOUR SENSE. >> I THINK IT IS GOING TO BE A CONVERSATION NATIONALLY. WE HAVE OBVIOUSLY UNIQUE CIRCUMSTANCES HERE IN NEW MEXICO AND EVEN SOME FROM THE SIDE OF THE ACCUSED WHICH THERE WERE SOME FOOTBALL PLAYERS, TWO, AND A FRIEND OF THEIRS THAT ORIGINALLY WERE CHARGED AND CHARGES WERE DISMISSED. NOW THEY ARE SUING AND I THINK THAT PROBABLY WILL BE A PART OF THE CONVERSATION TOO. WHEN IT COMES TO CONSENT AND RAPE ON CAMPUS, THE DEFENSE OF WOMEN ACT HAS GOT SOME ELEMENTS TO IT THAT TAKE EFFECT THIS YEAR ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES WHERE SOME DATA IS GOING TO BE AVAILABLE TO ALL OF US AND IT IS GOING TO BE AN EXCELLENT WINDOW INTO THE TRUTH BEHIND SORT OF THE RAPE CULTURE ON COLLEGE CAMPUSES THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE BEFORE. I THINK THERE WAS SOME GROUNDBREAKING JOURNALISM DONE IN POCKETS OF THE COUNTRY

ABOUT FAILURES AND EVEN SOME SITUATIONS WHERE ACCUSERS WERE THE ONES REPRIMANDED AND THIS IS GOING TO PULL BACK THE VEIL OR THREATEN TO TAKE AWAY FEDERAL MONEY FROM INSTITUTIONS. >> WE'RE ON THE CLOCK. YOUR THOUGHT ON THAT. >> I WAS SURPRISED HOW AGGRESSIVE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS BEEN IN CHECKING SOME OF THESE SCHOOLS. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENED IN MONTANA. AFTER THIS CAME OUT, LOOKING AT WHAT IS GOING ON WILL BE INTERESTING. >> RACHEL. >> THERE IS A CONVERSATION THAT NEEDS TO TAKE PLACE NATIONALLY AROUND CONSENT. AND IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THE CONVERSATION AROUND CONSENT HAS ALWAYS BEEN HOW CAN WOMEN NOT GET RAPED. IT IS TIME TO START ACKNOWLEDGING THERE ARE OTHER PARTIES INVOLVED AND HOW EVERYONE, AS GWYNETH SAID, CAN MAKE SURE THAT EVERYONE IN AN INTERACTION WANTS TO BE THERE. >> WE COVERED THE CONTROVERSY FOR THE RENAMING OF KIT CARSON PARK IN TAOS. THE TAOS CITY COUNCIL VOTED TO CHANGE THE NAME OF THE PARK TO RED WILLOW PARK. THERE WAS A LOT OF DEBATE ABOUT THAT AND WHETHER THE PARK SHOULD CELEBRATE THE SETTLER KIT

CARSON OR REMOVE THE NAME COMPLETELY BECAUSE HE WAS PART OF EFFORTS TO REMOVE NATIVE AMERICANS FROM THEIR LAND EITHER THROUGH FORCE OR KILLING THEM. WE'RE ON THE CLOCK. 15 SECONDS. WHAT DOES THIS SIGNAL YOU ABOUT CONTINUED DEBATES ABOUT PLACES LIKE THIS? WE HAVE BEEN VERY CASUAL ABOUT KIT CARSON PARK AND THAT NAME FOR A LONG TIME. SUDDENLY THAT IS NOT QUITE WHAT IT USED TO BE. >> WELL, IT IS KIND OF A FOOT IN THE DOOR TO PERHAPS OTHER CONVERSATIONS THAT WOULD BE VALID IN NEW MEXICO, DON JUAN ONATE, OTHERS THAT MIGHT BE VIEWED BY SOME CULTURAL GROUPS AS CONQUERORS. >> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT IS A FASCINATING EXAMPLE OF THE WAY THAT WE IN NEW MEXICO TEND TO JUST GET ALONG AND KIND OF LEAVE THESE THINGS BE FOR A WHILE AND THEN A CONTROVERSY LIKE THIS COMES UP AND YOU REALIZE, THERE ARE SIMMERING POTS OUT THERE, AND ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS PULL UP THE LID AND YOU ARE LIKE WHOA. I THINK IT IS AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION. AND I THINK IT HIGHLIGHTS THAT WE PROBABLY NEED TO HAVE IT

MORE OFTEN THAN JUST WHEN RENAMING A PARK. >> RUSSELL. >> THIS HIGHLIGHTS WHAT OUR PROBLEM OF NEVER NAMING ANYTHING AFTER SANCHEZ A LEGENDARY EDUCATOR FROM HERE, FATHER OF ETHNIC STUDY AND NOTHING NAMED HERE. >> I HAVE HAD THIS CONVERSATION WITH LOTS OF PEOPLE. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE UP THAT ONE LATER. WHAT DO YOU THINK? >> I DON'T THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS GOING AWAY. IT IS JUST GOING TO KEEP COMING UP IN NEW WAYS AND IT IS AN IMPORTANT ONE TO HAVE. >> ABSOLUTELY. IN JANUARY A MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENT IN ROSWELL SHOT TWO OTHER STUDENTS. THE SHOOTING VICTIMS THANKFULLY SURVIVED. BOTH SERIOUSLY INJURED. SCHOOL SHOOTINGS ARE A CONCERN ACROSS THE COUNTRY, CERTAINLY. WE HAVE GOT VISITED WITH THIS YEAR IN NEW MEXICO, REALLY QUITE JOLTING TO HAVE THIS HAPPEN, >> I WAS. AGAIN, MENTAL HEALTH CAME UP AND IT CAME UP AND THEN THE DISCUSSION CAME OUT AND SEEING HOW IT REALLY TRANSFORMS ROSWELL AND HOW THEY RALLIED. AND IT WAS REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE HOW THE NATIONAL MEDIA COVERED IT.

THEY FLOWED IN AS OPPOSED TO CLOSING NEW MEXICO AND WE ARE ASKING QUESTIONS, THEY WANTED TO TALK ABOUT GUN CONTROL AND IT IS ROSWELL. >> NON-STARTER, AS THEY SAY. RACHEL, WHAT DID YOU MAKE OF THIS ONE? >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WAS INTERESTING TO ME IS TO SEE AFTER THE SHOOTING, SOME OF THE STUDENTS FROM ARAPAHO IN COLORADO, WHERE THERE HAD BEEN A SCHOOL SHOOTING, CAME DOWN TO TALK TO THE STUDENTS IN ROSWELL, SO, THERE IS LIKE NOW THIS BROTHERHOOD AND SISTERHOOD OF KIDS WHO HAVE SEEN STUFF YOU SHOULD NEVER SEE THAT CAN ONLY TALK TO EACH OTHER. >> THAT IS VERY POSITIVE. I HADN'T HEARD THAT. >> INTERESTING. >> I WAS A REPORTER WHEN COLUMBINE HAPPENED AND I WAS IN COLORADO AND AT THE TIME IT SEEMED LIKE BIZARRE WORLD. HOW COULD THIS BE HAPPENING AND NOW THESE THINGS HAVE BECOME SO PREVALENT, IF IT IS NOT IN YOUR TOWN OR STATE IT MIGHT NOT MAKE PAGE 1. >> COULD SCHOOL SYSTEMS DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT? IT IS TOUGH IN 15 SECONDS. IS THERE SOMETHING WE COULD DO? >> PROBABLY. THE FACT THERE IS NOW A BROTHERHOOD AND SISTERHOOD IS

ONE OF THE SADDEST THINGS ABOUT THIS STORY TO ME. WE HAVE COME TO ACCEPT THIS AS A COST OF DOING BUSINESS. >> INTERESTING THAT THIS YEAR, THE NATIONAL CANCER INSTITUTE ANNOUNCED IT WILL STUDY THE HEALTH EFFECTS OF THE ATOMIC BOMB TEST AT TRINITY SITE IN NEW MEXICO. PATRICK, RESIDENTS IN TULAROSA HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR THIS FOR A LONG TIME. ABOUT HEALTH IMPACT. BUT IT CAN ONLY HELP TO FINALLY >> IT CAN ONLY HELP BUT I THINK THOSE THAT I HAVE HEARD FROM WONDER IF IT IS ENOUGH. THEY SAY, WE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR REALLY RETRIBUTION FOR GENERATIONS OF VERY SERIOUS ILLNESS HERE AND PLEASE EXPLAIN TO US WHY. THEY ARE GETTING A STUDY BUT MAYBE NOT GETTING ALL THEY WANT AND POTENTIALLY DESERVE. >> YEAH. I WAS SAYING EARLIER, I WAS DOWN IN SOUTHERN NEW MEXICO TALKING TO FOLKS EARLIER THIS SUMMER AND SEVERAL OF THEM MENTIONED TO ME, YOU KNOW, HEARING THESE EXPLOSIONS GOING OFF AND JUST KNOWING NOTHING ABOUT IT FOR DECADES AFTERWARDS. SO, I THINK, THERE ARE STILL OLD

WOUNDS THERE THAT ARE PSYCHOLOGICAL AS WELL AS PHYSICAL. >> THESE THINGS ARE GENERATIONAL. YOU MAY NOT HAVE BEEN ALIVE BUT SOME OF THE FAMILY WAS ALIVE IN THE AREA AND IT IS IMPORTANT TO HAVE A STUDY TO FIND OUT WHAT IS GOING ON. >> ABSOLUTELY. THINKING ABOUT THE CONVERSATION THAT WOULD TAKE PLACE AMONG AGENCIES ABOUT REPARATIONS AND WHERE MONEY WOULD COME FROM, IT IS UNLIKELY THESE PEOPLE ARE GOING TO GET THE ANSWERS THEY ARE LOOKING FOR ULTIMATELY. >> WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN TOLD OR AT LEAST ASSUMED THAT NOBODY WAS AFFECTED IN THESE TESTS, THAT THAT IS PART OF A LARGER WAR EFFORT AND WE TENDED TO BELIEVE THAT AND LOOK THE OTHER WAY. >> INTERESTING. THANK YOU ALL FOR HELPING RECAP 2014. GREAT TO HAVE YOU GUYS HERE. SPECIAL THANK YOU TO FLOYD VASQUEZ WHO PRODUCED ALL OF OUR ELECTION COVERAGE THIS FALL. JOIN US NEXT WEEK WHEN THIS PANEL RIGHT HERE PEEKS AHEAD INTO 2015 AND HEAD TO OUR WEBSITE FOR MORE STORIES AND OTHER ON THE CLOCKS. THANKS FOR JOINING US AS WE WIND DOWN 2014. IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE HAVING YOU WITH US THROUGHOUT THE YEAR, AS

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