Remarkable People: Making a Difference in the Northwest; Diane Cecily and Chuck Kinder interview on Raymond Carver, tape 31

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awful human being he was you know they knew that from a benefit not to trust your way of felt did you just think these you know i did not know at least we're still seeing each and my understanding you know i might use a tsa employees will likely that you just living elsewhere he can separate apartment you said i don't want to hear any more strange and when it gets me one day it wasn't registering our guy his arrest he was charming his arrest though he was fun and i think when all of that sort of came out we all laughed about that as well including ariana as researcher of stores in various and dull you are building a prisoner in her instrument

there and in iraq where there have been a lot more intimate when they're neutral like they're special very scary man with stephen if i never had that sense of panic and i think that's what she tries to find that for thirty seven years but he does really going to be able to use your province and married she promised this writing course getting to be problems here and at that point i think they did a lot of things

that he did not and then when he got his life back together again those were not typical of the slide so he just had a stellar near where he was kind of out of control and that's when i met him and it coincided with a period of time when i was it was i was going through the court so it was crazy sixteen years that is the first one in his speech for a warm cuban women that are like they

were just a few cigarettes will be ready get back together their plan was to take a trip up north to see something here and i am a long haul a difficult time at and it was a shaky start getting back together we had them at our house for dinner as sort of a send off and there had been a lot of retaliatory behavior and i'm not sure we can run it well anyway there were a lot of people in our house and they're sent our farewell dinner and things got a little bit crazy sure sure are eating more and they're ensuring

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as the niece or make it better stories you know how they recruit people when we were here living in chicago and after their hand to know we've been pretty losses champagne and what we're going to propose a toast something to send them off and trying to remember the details but somehow rather a toast to barry and say that and made reference to someone she didn't say and it was it's hot and deductions still she had lots and lots of anger at sharif air and re arm it was like a slow motion sen leahy this piece either with a bottle and i watched him he just he swung with a bottle i don't think he knew

what he was doing and he just hit her on the side of the head and she turned she ran out i saw was and it is not in israel and that again i think what has happened and suddenly raise revenue the door and my first instinct was omar put this back and they're going to reverse this state this has a bad take and i ran outside and brave is getting into the car and i said get to work you get back into his house and don't move and he was like something you need to tell him what to do because at this point he didn't know what to do he didn't know what he'd done and again i followed i could see the blood on the sidewalk and i followed the blood down to the corner and then returned and i could see the blood drops and i saw some in the porch and i said abc a woman running by here he said yes she said the ali i think she's hurt and so i ran up the alley and there was very open at this point it was a serious

cut and she was just coated with what well that is very scary when it's that scary you don't even know what you have to do just do it and so i got her back in the house we tried to use tunnels she she says she couldn't sustain the foot we'll know it's the rest of us didn't tell us a lower rate or the rate was never able to talk about that at any point it but it was so it never happened our views most chill in the system says this is because you

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see tapia were uprooted storytellers coveted something really american student was so yeah i wasn't it isn't that the same kind of storytelling that i sent them that when the likes of them it's recession like the fossil record from it on our back when things were high and things were going for one liners in the rejoinder is right and we were all part of them a firm withdrawal people cruelly whipped them with a long distance for hours breyer said family members since those zany flying embers and we talked for hours that would

probably three years you know there's also discussion of how much this story's actual experiences compared to just being completely media what would you say that the recent knight ridder it safe mission specialist fiction it's hundreds and that's assuming new national discussion and this year right wing unable to assume that we've seen the people and trying to understand him feel that maybe they

feel it's some histories are so repealing it they say just to get you know a priest an author in order to see iran made a lot of his vision certainly came right out of this experience absolutely but when you look at somebody start you have to know their experience to work at their art know you look at the raw or if it is going to be seen if it's going to survive it won't be because of dance and all the other is just enhance my under i think some interesting exploration maybe an intimacy that the reader wants because they love the art so much and enjoy the art so much now they want to know more about the person that i don't think that it's necessarily an empty and i don't think to understanding heart and that's the accents

if you treat what would you say to do you think this incident but i think you know more about and eight anyone who has contributed yes knowing what you can know how many people are going to care i mean those are the people that you want to reach people that really people think about literature that people that care deeply about it along for them knowing all of this i think is so that's

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