¡Colores!; 2528; Authors Enrique Lamadrid and Moises Gonzales, Celestial Stained-Glass Windows, Poet and Dancer Joanie Smith
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     Funding for COLORES was           Frederick Hammersley            ...and Viewers Like You          THIS TIME, ON COLORES!             AN UNTOLD STORY OF            EXPANDS THE UNDERSTANDING         IMAGES FROM THE HUBBLE           CELESTIAL STAINED GLASS         JOANIE SMITH USES POETRY           RELATIONSHIP IN, "TO          IT'S ALL AHEAD ON COLORES!             REDEFINING NEW                         ♪ ♪                    >>Kamerick: Enrique and    
        Genízaro is a new             Who were the Genízaros?         >>Lamadrid: The Genízaros         population of what the                Hispanic, New                >>Kamerick: What time             In the late 1900's?           >>Lamadrid: By the, uh by       figures start popping out,          Genízaro and some you          Genízaros by the use of a        And, certain professions         professions because they        >>Kamerick: So, these were          and sold to families?            To Hispanic families?                 >>Gonzales:                There was definitely a         there was also by the late          Governor, Tomás Vélez           because the population     
    century, he had a vision        ring of buffer settlements         such as Belen, Carnue,              Miguel Vado, just            >>Kamerick: So, they were           Genízaro families.            These were land grants on        frontier and between the         >>Gonzales: Yeah, I mean          placed between, say by          the South, Carnue and Las           entrance of Tijeras               buffer lands, the           You had Abiquiu, which was        Navajo and Ute territory,            these were often                 communities were             >>Kamerick: You said that   
    population by that census        so these were people who            of slaves who were              >>Lamdrid: Well, they              slaves, they were           would pay a ransom, people         called a rescate, which         brought on an obligation         They would learn Spanish,         Catholicism, they would         that they could learn in        only hold them legally for           Others sought their                wish to marry.             Some women would get stuck          having kids with the             there's stuff in the             archives where you'll     
    petitioning to marry her           get out of the family            demanding her freedom              you get a sizable             Genízaros by 1710-1720.           >>Kamerick: There's a          New Mexico about slavery,         are the people who were           the capturing and who              >>Gonzales: Well            I mean let's, you know one             that after the               >>Kamerick: In 1680...         >>Gonzales: 1680, you know         horses and a lot of the             introduced to the              The Comanche's on the          range to the east and the        their whole culture based   
    After, by the early 1700s       Ute and Comanche and other         you had raids that were           Rio Grande, upper Rio       Grande Valley, raiding pueblos     Then there was retaliated,        In this process, captive             both directions.               As you enter, as you           settlements like Abiquiu         then what happens is you           experiencing raids of                going off on               So, by the time you reach          period of the Mexican           period was probably the             You even had more               of retaliated raids            There was even a whole     
      called the Nakai Diné             captives that went            >>Kamerick: Enrique, even            wedding presents?            Can you talk about that?        >>Lamadrid: Young couples,       small child a small Indian             >>Kamerick: To                 >>Lamadrid: To be a            children of the family.        Sometimes it worked out in        and sometimes it didn't.                    ♪ ♪                     >>Lamdrid: This was a            late 18th century and                  century.                 >>Kamerick: What happened               >>Gonzales:                  >>Kamerick: Because          >>Gonzales: Yeah, I'm from             of Las Huertas.        
     I'm a member of the Las         Sandia's and I'm actually          de Carnue Land Grant.             So a lot of people            historians will say ,well           that, you know, the            taken off and therefore              being Mexican.               And, although that was           government, to kind of           indigenous identity as               with a mestizo                 That didn't happen.               You had a lot of              maintain their culture           go to communities like            know, observe ritual                 Matachines or                 Or you go to places           There was a lot of effort         Mexican identity in New            create a mythical,                Spanish American        
    fundamental of the school        Hispanic identity, which           us from the mountain              are exposed, every            the history and legacy of            Apache people and              At least specifically           >>Kamerick: Talk about         are still celebrated, even           trace their history             We have some photos -                     ♪ ♪                  >>Gonzales: That remembers        while through the Sandia        would leave on the buffalo           women would have to            communities such as la            San Antonio de Padua          The men would leave on the   
      back in October right          There's an initiation of          probably with Comanches          other tribes that were              ritual dance that             the community that are          >>Kamerick: Enrique what            a photo as well of            >>Lamdrid: Yeah, captives         these celebrations and            saying, that Genízaro          it's continuous in these         that were long ways from         population in many cases.           >> The majority of             Hispano, Nuevo Mexicano           some assimilated into     
     And so, the majority of            population becomes           but the communities, these       celebrate captives because         If you go to a dance in         captive yourself and then                 I own -               >>Kamerick: So, if I go - you         >>Lamdrid: I own an            name of Brenda Romero.             We were in Abiquiu            captured, and people say            vouch for her, does              And I said, "I do!"             and I bought her for              pantomime and it's                       ♪ ♪                   >>Lamdrid: Up in Ranchos         taking as well, even with   
       actually honor the             them into the culture.                     ♪ ♪                   >>Kamerick: How does the           challenge our current              Mexico identity?                >>Gonzales: I think             understand is that it            The tricultural myth              cultures - Pueblo,              in this simultaneous             erases the historical             through iterations            Genízaro identity places        cultural myth and it races           the realization of              the ways in which we           colonial history and then        identity that says we can   
    of this tri cultural myth        notions and meanwhile we          the state and we render            ritual and our own            history with each other.         >>Kamerick: Well, I want       coming and talking about this        SCIENCE AND RELIGION       >>Coenen: We are at Saint Paul's      Bay also referred to as               We're about 2               Some of the astronauts                And which we             >>Noto: In 2005 we started a  
    us start building our new        beginning that we wanted            something from NASA            parishioners from here                space related                  We spoke with our                asked how we can                the heavens and our            up with these celestial           choose an image from        >>Reeves: I was the lead flight       shuttle mission that            telescope The objective         we could get it with the         300 nautical miles above    
     could get the telescope          atmosphere so that the              distorted by any            Those of us who worked the        up there were really on a       the mission successfully -     And then when the first images      I got on the head set and         team at that time, "You              have just done.                This telescope will               books" I'm not an             the science end of it.      But I'm just a dumb old engineer        The imagery though           When you are here on earth         night its dark and you     
     You just don't realize              on these windows              The other beauty of the         looking at space with the              back in time.              The light from the stars             star hundreds of          >>Coenen: Well I think when we            space, itself             It almost brings us to the           Of an orderly god,              And so that spiritual            space center and the          And how close they come in         venture out into space.           And they realize the           And the magnitude of god    
     brought back into Saint         With That Perspective our            so great that it               As we look toward the               almost feel the           >>Noto: I was very happy for        worked at NASA and all           sacrificed quite a bit            achieve what we have           And I was very happy that         them in that way within           FINDING A RHYTHM WITH          >>Poem: Have you noticed?                For you.            
         It's a question                 Where do you buy              Enough for a mattress.                  >>Smith:                >>Poem: Enough to lie down.       >>Smith: The actual poem           The text has its own             rhythm and the dance              imagery and rhythm.            And every now and then        >>Poem: An evening long past.     >>Smith: They heighten each          I use it to sort of           It lets you know clearly        This relationship is older      which might have taken a very      And so I think placing it   
        word is midnight.                      Boom.                     There we are in the                   Obviously                      It locates us             Why are we eating so late?        Relationships always seem        in the work that I make.        I find that so interesting         have on one another or             Because we all see             how we fit in the world             other people very                Shapiro and Smith           At first it was this dream        We wanted to choreograph.        We found somehow together          The first dances were            possibilities got too     
         and we got more             That was a whole amazing         different voices that not         It was like going from                orchestra the              structures the harmonies            became so much more          To have and to hold bench,         We had just returned to          Everything had changed.          It was a time of AIDS.             It just seemed that          It seemed that we couldn't        suddenly started thinking          people were waiting.              We thought of three           and as we started sort of       we got into sliding across   
      to us in the imagery             like life sliding by                 something and            >>Virtucio: And it starts out    and the desire as a youthful       something and to conquer            to find a partner.              And by the end of the           letting these partners           So the journey from not               having to let               >>Smith: It's about the      beneath the bench reach up and        To me that image was                There you are.              And you suddenly smell a          The memories come back.      Danny and I could never figure         Six hundred dancers      
      So many companies so               us to restage it.                It seems to still            Danny added for those we         not forgotten because so           Little did we know it                Danny died in                 He died of cancer.                He was diagnosed               Because he thought he              until he was 48.                During that time he           And he really intended to           he left us instead.          We did dance bench and his             That was tough.             My relationship with the    
        since Danny died.                I found it really             myself making decisions          So I have more and more              to participate          >> Virtucio: She sees our unique     that really challenge us            show us in our best                challenges us.                Which is a gift as an               choreographer.           >>Smith: They enjoy that a lot.         They really enjoy            Sometimes they improvise         into something that they         this an interesting idea.         I love that there's the               in the room.          
      We also have regular             This year Sally Ruess              We've had Judith             That's an interesting way         company is to bring in             We're interested in               If I actually pay           and the time and the shape            that the effort,              And it's different than         Because I paid attention             energy and that's               And it's just with               Because I'm paying               the emotion is it.             TO VIEW THIS AND OTHER     
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- Series
 - ¡Colores!
 
- Episode Number
 - 2528
 
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 - KNME-TV (Television station : Albuquerque, N.M.)
 
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 - Episode Description
 - An untold story of slavery, Nación Genízara: Ethnogenesis, Place, and Identity in New Mexico expands the understanding of New Mexico’s identity-–with Enrique Lamadrid, author and distinguished professor emeritus of Spanish at University of New Mexico, and Moises Gonzales, author and president of Cañón de Carnué Land Grant. Images from the Hubble telescope inspired the celestial stained-glass windows of a Texas church. Joanie Smith uses poetry and dance to reflect on relationship in, “To Have and to Hold.”
 - Broadcast Date
 - 2019-09-07
 - Asset type
 - Episode
 - Genres
 - Magazine
 - Media type
 - Moving Image
 - Duration
 - 00:26:28.876
 
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      Guest: Lamadrid, Enrique E.
 
Guest: Gonzales, Moises
Guest: Smith, Joanie
Producer: Kamins, Michael
Producer: Walch, Tara
Producing Organization: KNME-TV (Television station : Albuquerque, N.M.)
 
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 - Chicago: “¡Colores!; 2528; Authors Enrique Lamadrid and Moises Gonzales, Celestial Stained-Glass Windows, Poet and Dancer Joanie Smith ,” 2019-09-07, New Mexico PBS, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed November 4, 2025, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-d3439733e3a.
 - MLA: “¡Colores!; 2528; Authors Enrique Lamadrid and Moises Gonzales, Celestial Stained-Glass Windows, Poet and Dancer Joanie Smith .” 2019-09-07. New Mexico PBS, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. November 4, 2025. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-d3439733e3a>.
 - APA: ¡Colores!; 2528; Authors Enrique Lamadrid and Moises Gonzales, Celestial Stained-Glass Windows, Poet and Dancer Joanie Smith . Boston, MA: New Mexico PBS, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-d3439733e3a