PBS NewsHour; June 5, 2020, 8:00pm-9:00pm PDT

- Captioning sponsored by - NEWSHOUR PRODUCTIONS, LLC - >> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING, I'M - JUDY WOODRUFF. - WELCOME TO THIS PBS NEWSHOUR - SPECIAL, "RACE MATTERS: AMERICA - IN CRISIS." - >> I CAN'T BREATHE! - I CAN'T BREATHE! - >> "RACE MATTERS: AMERICA INIS - CR A PBS NEWSHOUR SPECIAL.

- >> Woodrf: GOOD EVENING, I'M - JUDY WOODRUFF. - WELCOME TO THIS PBS NEWSHOUR - SPECIAL, "RACE MATTERS: AMERICA - IN CRISIS." - THE DEATH OF GEORGE FLOYD AT TH - HANDS OF POL MINNESOTA HAS - IGNITED OUTRAGE ACROSS THE WORLD - AND ON AGAIN EXPOSED THE DEEP - WOUNDS OFTHACISM HERE IN - U.S. - PROTESTERS HAVE FILLED THE - STREETS IN CITIES LARGE AND - SMALL, DEMANDING JUSTICE AND - CHANGE. - THE VAST MAJORITY HAVE BEEN - VIOLENCE AND LOOTING, ANDEEN - THERE'VE BEEN AGGRESSIVE TACTICS - FROM LAW ENFORCEMENT. - HOW AMERICANS SEE ALL THIS IS - FILTERED PART THROUGH THE - LENS OF RACE, ACCORDING TO OURW - LL, ONE WE DO WITH N.P.R. - AND MARIST. - 62% OF AMERICANS SAY THEY - BELIEVE THE DEMONSTRATIONS ARE - LEGITIMATE PROTESTS. - 77% OF BLACK AMERICANS FEEL THAT - WAY, BUT AMONG WHITE AMERICANS, - IT'S 58%. - 28% OF ALL AMERICANS SAY THEY - BELIEVE THE DEMONSTRATIONS ARE

- PEOPLE ACTING UNWFULLY. - WE WANT TO EXAMINE HOW WE GOT TO - THIS MOMENT AND WHERE WE GO FROM - HERE. - THAT IS A LONG CVERSATION, AND - WE THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO START - BY LISTENING TO BLACK ARICANS. - IN DAYS TO COME, ALL OF US WILL - DECIDE WHAT IF ANYTHING WILL - CHANGE. - TONIGHT, WE WILL ASK QUESTIONS - ABOUT POLICING, INEALITY AND - WHAT IT MEANS TO SIMPLY LIVE - WHILE BLACK IN THE U.S. - BUT WE BEGIN WITH TWO - INFLUENTIAL VOICES WHO HAV - THOUGHT LONG AND HARD ABOUT - BLACK HISTORY AND AMERICA'S - FUTURE. - FILMMAKER AND ODUCER - AVA DUVERNAY'S WORK HAS FOCUSED - ON THE BLACK EXPERIENCE - INCLUDING THE FILM "SELMA," THE - DOCUMENTARY "13th," AND THE - SERIES "WHEN THEY SEE US." - HER MEDIA COMPANY, ARRAY, HAS A - NEW ONLINE EDUCATIONAL PLATFORM - ABOUT THESE ISSUES. - DARREN WALKER IS THE PRESIDENT - OF THE FORD FOUNDATION, WHICH

- WORKS TO REDUCE POVERTY, IMPROVE - EQUALITY AND SOCL JUSTICE. - FOR THE RECORD, THE FOUNDATION - IS A FUNDER OF THE NEWSHOUR. - >> Sreenivasan: DARREN WALKER, - LET ME START WITH Y. - WHY DO YOU THINK WHAT HAPPENED - TO GEORGE FLOYD AND THE REACTION - TO IT HASTHE HOLD ON US THAT IT - SEEMS TO HAVE, THESE MASSIVE - DAY ACROSS THIS COUNTRY? - >> JUDY, I THINK THE MOMENT OF - RECKONING FOR THIS COUNTRY ON - RACE HAS COME. - GELOGE F HAS CAPTURED OUR - HEARTS, OUR BROKEN HEARTS. - BECAUSE FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS, - HIS MURDER WAS BUT AN EXTENSION - AND A LONG LIST OF NAMES OVER - MANY, MANY YEARS. - WE ACTUALLY AS A COMMUNITY WERE - NOT SURPRISED. - I THINK FOR ITE AMERICA, WHITE

- AMERICA WAS DEEPLY WOUNDED AND - SHOCKED BY THL E VISOF HIS - MURDER OVER EIGHT AND A HALF - MINUTES. - AND I THINK FOR WHITEMERICA, - DENIABILITY OF RACISM IN OUR - POLICING AND INOUR NATION IS NO - LONGER AN OPTION. - AND THAT IS W IT HAS GRIPPED - US AND RESONATES EESOY IN - THE AMERICAN PSYCHE. - >> A DUVERNAY, IS IT SOMETHING - THAT IS A REPEAT OF WHAT OWE'VE - SER AND OVER AGAIN OR IS - IT SOMETHING DIFFERENT OF WHAT - HAPPENED TO HIM IN THIS MOMENT? - >> CERTAINLY, THE ACT OF BLACK - DEATH IS NOT NEW. - THAT'S, YOU KNOW-- I THINK THERE - WAS SOMETHING ABOUT THE TAPE - TESTIFYING THAT WAS UNUSUAL. - AS SOMEONE WHO UNFORTUNATELY - WATCHES THIS MATERIAL A LOT R - MY WORK. - AND THAT WAS THE VERY CLEAR - FRAMINGF BOTH PEOPLE LOOKING

- DIRECTLY TO THE CAMERA - YOU KNOW, IN OTHER INSTANCES OF - MURDER BY POLICE ON TAPE, WE MAY - SEE THE VICTIM THROUGH A BODY - CAM, WHICH OBSECURES THE OFFICTR - WEARINGHE CAMERA. - WE MAY SEE IT FROM A DISTANCE ON - A SECURITY CAMERA. - IT'S VERY RARE TH WE'VE SEEN - BOTH PARTIES IN THE FRAME - LOOKING DIRECTLY TOWARD TH - LENS. - FOR ME, THAT'S WHAT WAS - STARTLING. - I REALLY HAD TINTERROGATE FOR - MYSELF, "WHY IS THIS BRINGING ME - TO MKNEES?" - PECIALLY WHEN I'M SO USED TO - WATCHINWATCHING THIS STUFF. - THAT I COULD SEE THAT WHITEN - OFFICER'S FACE, I COULD SEE HIS - DISDAIN, I COULD SEE HIS - INTENTION, IN MY VIEW. - I COULD SEE THE CALLOUS - DIEGARD FOR HUMAN LIFE. - >> Woodruff: AND, DARREN - WALKER, THERE'S A GUT-LEVEL - DEMAND FOR JUSTICE RIGHT NOW. - WHAT OKWOULD JUSTICE IKE? - >> WE NEED TO REFORM THE SYSTEMS

- THAT PRODUCE TOO MUCH INJUSTICE, - OMICTING WITH OUR EC - SYSTEM.WE HAVE TO LOOK AT FUNDAL - SYSTEMS IN OUR ECONOMY, LIKE THE - BASIC QUESTION OF HOW MUCH - CAPITAL DO WE ALLOCATE FOR - WORKS SO THAT WE DON'T HAVE AN - ECONOMY THAT PODUCES TOO MUCH - PROSPAIRT FOR PEOPLE LIKE ME, - AND TOO LITTLE PROSPERITY FOR - PEOPLE LIKE GEORGE FLOY - WE HAVE TO LOOK AT OUR CRIMINAL - JUSTICE SYSTEM AND ASK WHY IS IE - LOCK UP SO MANY BLACK AND - BROWN MEN AND WOMEN INHIS - COUNTRY? - EDUCATIONAL SYSTEMD ASK WHY - IS IT THAT WE HAVE SCHO - DISTRICTS SIDE BY SI, ONE - AFFLUENT WITH THE RICH TAX BASE - AND GREAT SCHOOLS; NEXT DOOR, A - POOR DISTRICT WITHOUT SCHOOL

- BOOKS. - THIS IS AMERICA. - THE QUESTION IS LL WE GO BACK - TO THE PLAYBOOK THAT WE ALWAYS - DO, WHICH IS TO HAVE LEADERS - MAKE STATEMENTS, TO HAVE - CORPORATIONS ISSUE PLATITUDES, - MAKE SOME CONTRIBUTIONS TO BLACK - THEN GO BACK A - TO BUSINESS AS USUAL? - THAT PLAYBOOK WILL NOT WORK ON - THIS OCCASION. - >> Woodruff: WELL, WHEN IT - COMES TO THEFOPLAYBOOK THE - FUTURE, AT FIRST, IT SEEMS TO - ME, PEOPLE NEED TO TALK ABOUT - AND NEED TO HAVE-- COME TO SOME - DUVERNAY, ON O IS AT FAULT - HERE? - WE KNOW THE POLICEMEN ARE - INVOLVED. - IS GENERATIONS OFWHITE - AMERICANS? - IS IT THE POLICE ACROSS THE - COUNTRY? - IS IT POLITICIANS? - WHO IS AT FAULT? - >> ALL OF THE PROBLEMS THAT

- WE'RE SEEING NOWTHEIR - FOUNDATIONS LIE IN OUR RACIS - HISTORY AS A COUNTRY THAT'S - NEVER BEEN RECONCILED. - WHO BELIEV IN JUSTICE ANDLE - DIGNITY OF ALL NLORS AD KINDS, - CAN WE DIGEST THAT AND START TO - LET IT NOURISH US AS WE REALLY - TRY TO DISMANTLE SYTHESTEMS? - WE'LL HAVE TO GET OUT OF THE - FRAMEWORK, THE WAY OF THINKING - THAT ANY OF THIS IS SALVAGEABLE, - BECAUSE IT'S TRULY LTNOT. - IT'S BON A ROTTEN - FOUNDATION - >> I WOULD JUST SAY, JUDY, TO - THIS POINT, WE HAVE TO ALSO - ACKNOWLEDGE THAT WHAT HAS - HAPPENED IN THIS COUNTRY INTHE - LAST TWO DECADES IS A CONTEXT OF - GROWING INEQUALITY IN AMERICA. - AND WE HAVE D MANY WHITE - PEOPLE WHO FEELLEFT BEHIND. - INEQUALITY IS SO PERNICIOUS IN A - DEMOCRACY. - BECAUSE INEQUALITY ASPHYXIATES - HOPE, AND HOPE IS THE YGEN OF - DEMOCRACY.

- AND SO WE HAVE TOO MANY HOPELESS - PEOPLE, BLACK AND WHITE. - BUAFRICAN AMERICANS HAVE A - HISTORIC RECKONING THAT THIS - COUNTRY HAS NEVER COME TO TERMS - ATH. - WE HA GENERATION OF - DOWNWARDLY MOBILE WHITE PEOPLE - SO THIS COUNTRY. - E HAVE TODAY A CONFLUENCE OF - O REALITIES: THE REALITY OF - BLACK... WHICH IS RIGHT, AND THE - REALITY OF GROWING WHITE - THAT IS WHAT WE AEING ON - OUR STREETS. - >> Woodruff: GIVEN THAT, AVA - DUVERNAY, HOW DO BEGIN TO - MAKE A DIFFERENCE? - >> IT'S REALLY ABOUT INVITING - PEOPLE, PARTICULARLY CAUCASIAN - PEOPLE, TO PUT THEIR HEADS - TOGETHER AND THINK ABOUT - STRATEGIES AND TACTICSTHAT ONLY - WHITE PEOPLE CAN REALLY DO.IT - IMAGINE FOLK GOT TOGETHER - WHO WERE WELL MEANING PEOPLE WHO - BELIEVED IJUSTICE AND DIGNITY

- FOR ALL, PACKED TOGETHER WITH - STRATEGIES ALONG THOSE LINES, - VERY MUSCULAR, VERY - DEMONSTRATBEVEND - STATEMENTS, BEYOND SOCIAL MEDIA - HASHTAGS, BUT THOUGHT OF - STRATEGIES TO ACTUALLY WORK TO - DISMANTLE THESE THINGS ACTIVELY, - E THINK IT WOULD BE A G - CHANGER.>> Woodruff: DARREN WAL, - CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT, THERE WAS - DR. MARTIN LUTHER KING AND OER - LEADERS FROM THE WHITE - COMMUNITY, FROM THE BLACK - COMMUNITY, LEADING THE WAY. - WHO WERE THE LEADERS OF TODAY? - >> THERE ARE COURAGEOUS LEADERS - WILLING TO RAISE THEIR HANDS, TO - ROLL UP THEIR SLEEVE. - WE HAVE TO BE THE LEADERS WE - NEED. - WE NEED OUR CORPORATE LEADERS TO - THROW OUT THEIR PLAYBOOK AND - START AFRESH, TO GET OVER, PUT A - NAIL IN THE COFFIN OF THE MILT - Y IEDMAN IDEOLOGY THAT - CORPORATIONS' ORPOSE IS TO - MAKE MONEY FOR SHAREHOLDERS. - WE HAVE TO HAVE OURY POLMAKERS

- AND OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM RESPOND - TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE - STREETS. - I AM INSPIRED BY THESE - PROTESTERS. - THE PEACEFUL PROTESTERS WHO - SOCIETY.ANTO LIVE IN A - THAT IS NOT TOO MH TO ASK. - AND THE TIME HAS COME FOR - AMERICA TO SAVE ITSELF, TO SAVE - OUR DEMOCRACY. - >> Woodruff: AVA DUVERNAY, - WHAT WOULD YYOU ABOUT THIS - QUESTION OF WHO DO WE LOOK TO - FOR LEADERSHIP? - AND THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE - FOR YOU IS WHAT DO YOU SAY TO - THE YOUNG AFRICAN AMERICAN BOY - ORIRL WHO IS SITTING THERE - RIGHT NOW, MAYBE-- MAYBE WITH A - WHITE FRIEND, BOTH OFHEM - FEARFUL ABOUT THE FUTURE? - >> WE'VE LEARNED FROM R - AMERICAN HISTORY THAT LEADERSHIP - WITH ONE LEADER PUT ON A - PEDESTAL IS DERANGEROUS. - Y BLACK LEADER THAT HAS

- RISEN THROUGH THE AMERICAN MEDIA - APPARATUS HAS BEEN KILLED OR - EXILED, AND A DISTRIBUTED - LEADERSHIP MODEL IS THE MOST - HEALTHY AND MOST PRODUCTIVE IN - THAT THERE IS NO ONE ACE TO - PINPOINT THE SCORN OF THE - SYSTEM. - I WOULD TELL YOUNG PEOPLE THAT - THESE ARE NOT OUR DARKEST DAYS. - THAT OUR DARKT DAYS ARE WHEN - VOICES WERE BEING PPRESSED. - WHEN BLACK PEOPLE WERE NOT - WHITE POWER STRUCTURE.AD BY THE - WHERE WE WERE NOT ABLE TO WALK - INTO MUNICIPAL BUILDINGS, HAVING - TO GO THROUGH THE BACK. - THERE HAVE BEEN GAINS MADE. - WE HAVE TO USE THOSE AS TOOLS IN - THIS NEW ERA AND KEEP DEVELOPING - OUR SYSTEMS AND OUR STRATEGIES - TO DEF OURSELVES, AND SO - THAT'S WHAT I WOULD INVITE THE - NEXT GENERATION TO START - THINKING A NOW. - A LOT OF WHITE PEOPLE CALLED ANE - TEXTED ME, GREAT FRIENDS OF

- ASKING ME, "WHAT DO I DO?" - AND MY ANSWER IS EDUCATE - YOURSELF. - THERE HAVE BEEN WHITE ALLIES - THROUGHOUT THE HISTORY OF - AMOICA WHO HAVE GOTTENGETHER - AND COME UP WITH MUSCULAR - STRATEGIES FOR CHANGE. - AND MANYV OF THEM E WORKED. - AND SO, I FEEL LIKE THERE'S KIND - OF THIS "WHAT DO I DO - WHAT DO I DO?" - WHICH REALLY IS ASKING FOR BLACK - LABOR IN IS MOMENT TO HELP YOU - THINK THROUGH WHAT TO DO. - TRUST ME, THERE'S SOMETHING TO - >> Woodruff: AND THAT BRINGS - US TO THE LAST QUESTION I HAD, - DARREN WALKER, WHICH IS HOW UDO - IVE PEOPLE HOPE? - WHAT IS THE MESSAGE OF HOPE THAT - YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW FOR EVERYONE - I WATCHING? - > VERY HOPEFUL, JUDY. - THERE ARE SO MANY REASONFOR - HOPE. - FIRST, BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A - DEMOCRACY, AND EVERY AMERICAN - NEEDS TO VOTE. - WE CAN SEE ONS THE STREETROSS - THIS COUNTRY REASONS FOR HOPE-- - R,G, BLACK, AND BROWN AND

- QUND PEOPLE IN - WHEELCHAIRS, PEOPLE OLD AND - YOUNG IN THE STREETS. - THEY ARE IN THE STRES BECAUSE - THEY, TOO, LOVE AMERICA. - THEY WNT AMERICA TO BE AMERICA. - >> I BELIEVE THAT WE CAN DO - BETTER, AND THAT'S WHERE HOPE - LIES. - INBELIEVE THAT THIS MIGHT BE A - TIPOINT. - IT'S HARD TO SAY. - YOU KNOW, BUT I'M HOPEFUL THAT - IT IS. - AND I'LL BE WORKING TO ENGAGE - WITH THAT HOPE ACTIVELY. - AND THAT'S WHAT I-- I VITE - OTHERS TO DO ALONGSIDE US. - >> Woodruff: AVA DUVERNAY, - DARREN WALKER, WE THANK YOU BOTH - SO MUCH. - THANK YOU. - >> THANK YOU. - >> Woodruff: WE TURN NOW TO THE - ISSUE OF POLICING AND START BY

- HEARING FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS - FIRSTHAND ABOUT LAW FORCEMENT - AND ITS INTERSECTION WITH BLACK - AMERICANS. - FOUR YEARS AGO, TERENCE CRUTCHER - WAS SHOT AND KILLED BY A POLICE - OFFICER IN TULSA, OKLAHA. - YAMICHE ALCINDOR RECELY SPOKE - WITH HIS SISTER, TFANY. - AND A WARNING: SE OF THE - IMAGES WILL BE DIFFICULT TO - WATCH. - >> MY NAME IS DR. TERENCE - CRUTCHER, TWIN SISTER OF - TERRENCE CRUTCHER WHO WAS KILLED - IN TULSA, OKLAMA, IN 2016 BY A - WHITE POLICE OFCER BY THE NA - OF BETTY JOE SHELBY. - BIRRENCE, THEY CALLED HIM - ANYTIMCRUTCH." - HE WAS A GENTLE GIANT. - HE WAS JUST A BEAUTIFUL, - BEAUTIFUL SOUL. - ( SIRENS ) - HE WAS LEAVING TO GO TO A CHURCH - SERVICE WITH MY MOM AND DAAND, - 15 MINUTES LATER, HE WAS DEAD. - AND SO, HIS VEHICLE STALLED IN - THE MIDDLE OF TH ROAD. - FROM THE TESTIMONY OF BETTY

- ELBY, SHE SAID SHE THOUGHT HE - WAS HIGH, AND THAT HE MAY HAVE - BEEN HAVING A MENTAL HEA - BREAKDOWN, AND SHE WANTED TO - HELP HIM. - AND THEN SAW TERRANCE NT - COMMUNICATING, NOT LOOKING WELL, - AND SHE LLED FOR BACKUP. - NEXT THING WE KNOW, IF YOU LOOK - AT THE VIDEO, THERE'S POLICE - CEOFFI FLEEING IN, THERE ARE - HECOPTERS LOOMING. - >> I THINK HE MAY HAVE JUST BEEN - TASERED. - >> SHOTS FIRED! - >> AND THEN THE VIDEO JUST - STOPS, AND TERRENCE IS GONE. - AND WE FOUND OUT THAT HE TAWAS - D AND SHOT SIMULTANEOUSLY, - AND I KNOW HE ARWAS UND. - AND I KNOW HE DIDN'T SEE THE - BULLET COMING. - AND THE NEXT THING THAT I - REMEMBER AND THAT I SEE ERY - NIGHT WHEN I LAY DOWN IS DYHIS - N THE GROUND WITH BLOOD - EVERYWHERE. - >> WHAT WAS YOUR REACTION TO - WATCNG THE DEATH OF GEORGE - FLOYD ON VIDEO? - >> GEORGE ON VIDEO, I FELT LIKE - TERRANCE WAS SHOT ALL OVER - AGAIN.

- THIS TIME, IT NTWAS DIFFE - YOU KNOW, HEARING GEORGE CRY OUT - FOR HIS MOM, ND WATCHING THE - OFFICER NOT EVEN CARE OROVE, - ELICITED A STRESS REACTION - PHYSICALLY. - AND I COULDN'T SLEEP FOR AT - LEAST THREE DAYS. - >> AND BROKE OUT INHIVES FROM - THE STRESS. - AND IT'S JUST BEEN I WOULD S - TRAUMATIZING. - >> WHAT DON'T PEOPLE UNDERSTAND - ARE KILLED ON VIDEO? LOVED ONES - WHAT'S NOT SHOWN ABOUT YOUR - EXPERIENCE? - >> WHAT'S NOT SHOWN IS THAT IT'S - IMPACTING US IN A SEVERE WAY, - FROM A MENTAL HEALTH STANDPOINT. - R EXAMPLE, I GOT PULLED OVER - AFTER TERRENCE WAS KILLED, AND I - TOOK HIS LITTLE BOYE, TENCE - JR., AND SOME OF HIS COUSINS TO - THE MOVIES. - AND NEN THE POLICE TED ON - THE LIGHTS AND JUST SPED UP - BEHIND US, WE PULLED OVER, BUT - THE KIDS WERE SCREAMINGHI - NG, "WE'ISTORICHYSTERICALLY, SAI - GOING TO BE SHOT.

- WE'RE GOING TO BE KILLED." - I HAD TO CALM HIM DOWN. - TERRENCE'S KIDS ARE STILL IN - COUNSELING. - THEY GO TWICE A MONTH. - AND RIGHT NOW, HIS DAUGHTERS ARE - SAYING, "I WISH THAT OPLE - WOULD HAVE PROTESTED FOR MY DAD - LIKE THEY'RE DOING FOR GEORGE, - LIKE THEY'RE DOING FOR - AHMAUD," AND THEYE DEALING - WITH THE SITUATION EVERY SINGLE - DAY, EVERY TIME THAT HAPPENS ON - NATIONAL TV. - >> Woodruff: SEWE'V THAT - SAME EXHAUSTION, ANGER AND - FRUSTRATION IN THE THOUSANDS ARO - THOUSANDS OFSTERS OUT - ACROSS THE COUNTRY. - FOR MANY, GEORGE FLOYD'S DEATH - WAS JUST THE LATEST EXA OMP - DECADES OF MISTREATMENT BY LAW - ENFORCEMENT. - LIKE FLOYD'S AND TUAL CASES, - CRUTCHER'S, AND RODNEY KING - BEFORE THE STATISTICS SHOW - AFRICAN-AMERICANS BEAR A - DISPROPORTIONATE TOLL AT THE - HANDS OF POLICE. - A 2019 STUDY FOUND THAT BLACK - MEN AND BOYS ARE ALMOST 2.5

- TIMES MORE LIKELY TO BE KILLE - BY POLICE THAN WHITE MEN AND - BOYS. - ARBUT THE DIIES MANIFEST IN - WAYS BEYOND FATAL ENCOUNTERSL - AND, AS WE WAR, THE EFFECT - ON MANY BLACK AMERICANS FROM ALL - WALKS OF LIFE RUNS - YAMICHE ALCINDOR WILL HAVE A - CONVERSATION ON ALL THIS, BUT - FIRST, WE HEAR MORE VOICES OF - THOSE AFFECTED. Y - LIFE FOR NO REASON OF YOUR - I WANT TO BE ABLE TO OUTSIDE, - DO WHATEVER I NT TO DO, STOP - WORRYING ABOUT SOMTRYING TO - CALL THE COPS ON ME BECAUSE I'M - STANDING IN FRONT OF THEIR - STORE, OR SOMEONE CALLING THE - COPS ON USME BEI'M WALKING - ACROSS THE STREET OR I WANT TO - WALK IN THEIR STORE WITH A - HOODIE ON. - THAT'S HOW I WANT TO WALK. - >> FOR IT TO BE 2020 AND THIS IS - STILL HAPPENING, IT'S - HEARTBREAKING AND NOTHG IS - BEING DONE. - >> IT'S HAPPENING SO MUCH, THEY - EXPECT A BLACK MAN'S LIFE EACH - N MONTH IS GOING TO BE TABY - THE POLICE. - >> I HAVE BEEN STOPPED BY THE - POLICE WHEN I HAD A WHFRITE - GIND, AND HE ASKED HOW WE - KNEW EACH OTHER AND I TOLD HIM.

- HE SAID, "I GUESS THAT'S - PERMITTED NOW." - >> HAVE FOUR CHILDREN, AND - I'VE WORKED SO HARD TO CULTIVATE - THEIR LIS AND THEIR BEINGNESS. - AND SO THE IDEA THAT THEY CAN - HAVE A RANDOM ENCOUNTER WITH A - POLICE OFFICER, AND THEY GET D O - EIR LIFE, THEY GET TO END - THEIR FUTURE. - F> MY PLANS WERE TO ACTUALLY BE - A POLICE OFICER, BUT THEN I - REALIZED THAT ONE GOOD APPLE IN - A BAD BATCH REALLY DOESN'TMAKE - A DIFFERENCE, BECAUSE ONCE YOU - SIGN YOUR LIFE OVER TO THAT - BADGE, YOUAVE TO BE LOYAL TO - WHO YOU WORK FOR. - >> MY HOPE FOR THE FUTURE IS - THAT THE INJUSTICES THAT - CONTINUE TO HAPPEN OVER AND OVET - AGAIN, THY CAN BE LEARNED - FROM AND USED AS A LESSONN - ORDER TO CREATE CHANGE. - >> FOR A CLOSER LOOK AT THESE - CONCERNS AND FEARS I'M JOINED BY - TRACIE KEESEE, COFOUNDER FOR THE - CENTER OF POLICING AND EQUITY. - SHE IS ALSO A FORMER DENVER - LICE CAPTAIN AND A FORMER - N.Y.P.D. DISCIPLINE COMMISSIONER - OF EQUITY AND INCLUSION. - AND TEF POE. - HE'S AN ACTIVIST ANRPER WHO - ARTED "HANDS UP UNITED", IN

- REACTION TO THE KILLING OF - MICHAEL BROWN IN FERGUSON, - MISSOURI. - THE GROUP ADVOCATES FOR MOACRE - UNTABILITY IN POLICING. - THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR BOTH OF - YOU FOR BEING HERE. - I'M GOING TO START WITH YOU, - TEF. - WHAYOUR REACTION TO SEEING - THE VIDEO OF GEORGE FLOYD - >> I FELT VERY DISTURBED THAT A - LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER COULD - MURDER SOMEBODY LIKE THAT IN - COLD BLOOD. - AND I WAS EVEN MORE DISTURBED BY - THE FACT THAT THE OTHER OFFICERS - STOOD AROUND AND WATED IT AND - I THINK THAT SPEAKS A LOT ABOUT - THE STATE OF OUCOUNTRY TODAY. - >> TRACIE, WHAT DID YOU THINK - WHEN YOU SAW THAT WHITE POLICE - OFFICER KNEELING ON GEORGE - FLOYD'S NECK FOR EIGHT MINUTES - AND 46 SECONDS? - >> FOR ME IT'S NOT JUST WHY, WHY - ARE YOU DOING IS THAT THAAD? - IT IS ONE OF WHICH WHY IS - EVERYBODY STANDING AROUND AND - WHY ISN'T ANYBODY INTERVENING? - I THINK LIKE MOST, I WAS ALMOST - PHYSICALLY SICK TO MY STOMACH. - AGAIN CONFLICTED.

- I HAVE BEEN IN UNIFOR - I HARTAINLY BEEN IN SPACES - WHERE I HAD TO USERCE. - BUT THE IMMEDIATE REACTION TO ME - IS WHY AGN? - Y ARE WE HERE. - >> TEF TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR - EXPERIENCE ASA BLACK MAN AND - INTERACTIONS WITH POLICE. - >> I TRY TO KEEP MY INTERACTION - WITH LAW ENFCEMENT AS - MINIMALISTIC AS POSSIBLE. - IT CAN GO ANY TYPE IOF WAY - THOSE DISCOURSES AND IT USUALLY - DISTRIBUTE GO IN MY VOR. - EVEN IF I'M CALLING THE POLICE - ON SOMEONE THAT COULD BE - ATTACKING ME OR BREAKING INTOY - HOME. - IT COULD STILL RESULT IN ME - ENDING UP THE PERSON THAT'S - DEAD. - SO MY FIRST MEMORY OF THE POLICE - IN A RL SENSE AS A YOUNG BLACK - BOY IS MY FATHER PULLING INTO A - HAD DROVE INTO A NEIGHBORHOODW - AND GOT LOST. - AND THE POLICE PULLED INTO THE

- DRIVEWAY AND PULLED US OVER, - PULLED HIM T THE CAR, - QUESTIONED HIM, THREATENED TO - TAKE HIM TO JAIL BECAUSE THEY - SAID THAT THEY KN WE DIDN'T - LIVE AT THAT HOUSE. - ND I JUST REMEMBER THAT. - AND THAT'S-- THLEFT A LASTING - IMPRESSION TO ME ABOUT - INTERACTING WITH THE POLICE - ALMOST FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE, - EVEN TO BEINUNGER ADULT - MYSELF WHO'S HAD PISTOLS AIMED - AT ME BY THE POLICE, SHOT AT BY - THE POLICE. - >> ReportY,er: TRHAT DO YOU - MAKE OF WHAT TEF IS SAYING? - WHERE HAVE YOSEEN BIAS PLAY - OUT IN POLICING, FOAND WHAT - S DO YOU THINK NEED TO - TAKE PLACE? - >>N, SO, I MEF DOESN'T NEED - ME TO VALIDATE HIS VOICE. - I THINK HE SAID IT PERFECTLY. - ICAT IS THE EXPERIENCE OF MANY - BLACK MEN IN AMTHAT HE SO - APTLY DESCRIBED. - AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT WHERE DO - YOU SEE BIAS? - I MEAN, YOU SEE BIAS IN ALL - AREAS. - BUT I THINK WHAT WE'VE GOT TO DO - IS BACK UP AND UNDERSTAND THE - SYSTEM OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE - ITSELF WAS DESIGNED TO DO - EXACTLY WHAT IT'S DESIGNEDO - DO. - AND SO, WHEN WE TALK ABOUT

- STRUCTURAL RACISM, WE TALK ABOUT - HOW IT PLAYS OUT AND WHAT IT - LOOKS LIKE. - WE KNOW THERE'S DISPARITIES IN - THE OUTCOMES OF POLING - AND HAPPENING HERE TODAY - MOVEMENT.EFORM - THISGS A MOVEMENT THAT'S GO - TO REQUIRE SOMETHING ABSOLUTELY - DIFFERENT THAN WHAT IS - HAPPENIN - AND UNLESS THERE IS A - ORDINATED EFRT TO LOOK AT - WHAT WE ARE CALLING POLICING - TODAY, AND IF WE'RE NOT TAKING - INTO ACCOUNT ABOUT HOWMM - ITIES BELIEVE THAT PUBLIC - SAFETY SHOULD BE SERVED AND - WE CAN TALK ABOUT REFORMS ALL-- - ALL WE WANT. - AND I DON'T KNOW ABOUT TEF, BUT, - FOR ME, YOU KNOW, THERE'S - EXHAUSTION. - THERE'S GENERATION EXHAUSTION - HERE, AND IT'S JUST NOT GOING TO - BE, NOR WILL IT BE ALLOWED TO BE - THE SAME. - >> Reporter: TEF, I MET YOU IN - FERGUSON IN 2014. - YOU WERE ACTIVE IN THE PROTESTS - THEN AFTER THE KILLING OF - MICHAEL BROWN. - WHY DO YOU THINK THIS MOMENT IN - 2020 IS DIFFERENT AND IS - HAPPENING? - AND WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT

- EXHAUSTION THAT TRACY IS TALKING - ABOUT? - >> TRACY COULDN'T BE MORE - CORRECT. - DONALD TRUMP IS A MASTER OF - OUTRAGE FATIGUE. - EVERY WEEK, EVERY DAY, EVERYLL - HOUR, EVERY ECOND OF THE - FUNCTIONING DATH THERE IS - SOG TO BE OUTRAGED ABOUT. - AND WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT THE - OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID NOT - CHALLENGE THE MILITARIZATION OF - POLICING TO THE DEGREE THAT WE - HAVE REWORKED OUR MEMORIES T - REMEMBER. - AND WE ALSO HAVE TO REMEMBER - THAT WE ARE NOW FNUNCTIONING - THIS LINEAR ASPECT OF A TWO- - PARTY SYSTEM WHERE NEITHER THE - ICDEMOCRATS NOR THE REPUS - ARE GIVING US SUITABLE ANSWERS - ABOUT WH TO DO ABOUT ROGUE - POLICING. - AS THINGS CURRENTLY STAND, THIS - ISN'T REALLY A BLACK OR WHITE - THING ANYRE. - SO, THAT'S THE REAL PROBLEM FOR - THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AT - THIS POINT, THAT THE CITIZENS - ARE GENUINELY UPRISING ON THEIR - OWN AND TAKING MATTERS INTO - THEIR OWN HANDS. - >>eporter: THE MINNEAPOLIS

- POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS CREDITED - IN SOMWAYS AS TRYING TO - IMPLEMENT SOME OF THE CHANGES - AND REFORMS THAT ACTIVISTS WERE - CALLING FOR, BUT THIS STILL - HAPPENED. - TRACY, CAN YOU TALK A LITTLE BIT - ABOUT THE BARRIERS TCHANGE - HERE? - >> ONE OF THE TNGS IS, KNOW - THE CULTURE OF POLICING ITSELF. - THIS IS NOT NEW. - THIS IS NOT A CONVERSATION THAT - IS JUST POPPING UP ON THE RADAR. - THERE'S BEENONG CONVERSATIONS - ABOUT THE CULTE OF POLICING - AND THE NARRATIVES THAT SUPPORT - SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPEN. - THE OTHER THING IS YOU HAVE - CHIEFS THAT DON'T LAST, RIGHT. - SO, YOU HAVE SNEOMHO'S - TRYING TO DO THE RIGHT THING. - CHIEFS' TENURES ARE USUALLY - THREE TO FOUR YEARS. - THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TO DO MUCH OF - ANYTHING BUT TO MAYBE DO - POLICIES AND TRAIN FOLKS. - THE OTHER BARRIERS IS THAT YOU - REALLY NEED TO TNK ABWHOUT - 'S HAPPENING HERE ARE NOT - JUST OFFICERS WHO ARE ENGAGING. - YOU HAVE TO FUNDAMENTALLY THINK - ABOUT WHAT TYPE CE POLICE OR - OFDO YOU WANT? - WHAT DO YOU-- WHAT DO YOU WANT - IN THEM?

- WHAT SHOULTHEY BE ABLE TO - EMONSTRATE AND DO? - ONE OF THE SORT OF FIXES TO THIS - WERE TO HAVE OFFICERS OF CORSR, - BLACK OFFIAND - ORGANIZATIONS. - AND IF YOU HAVE NOT, TAKE THE - TIME AND SPEAK TO OFFICERS OF - COLOR AND WOMEN, AND THEY WILL - DEFINITELY TELL YOU THAT WHEN - U'RE IN A MALE-DOMINANT - PROFESSION AND A WHITE - MAE-DOMINANT PROFESSION, TH - ARE HURDLES. - AND, TYPICALLY, FOLKS WHO WANT - TO DO THE RIGHT THING MEET - BARRIERS. - PEOPLE WHO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE - RIGHT THING MEET BARRIERS. - AND THEN YOU HAVE THE - ORGANIZATION ITSELF, WHICH IS - TYPICALLY STILL PREMAMINATELY - WHIT. - THERE'S SOME EXCEPTIONS TO THAT, - BUT YOALSO HAVE TO THINK ABOUT - WHAT YOU HAVE GOING ON INSIDE. - WHEN YOU LOOK AT ORGANIZATIONS - WHERE DECISIONS ARE BEING MADE, - WHERE ALL THE PATROL OFFICERS - ARE DOWN AT THE BOTTOM-- OF - COLOR ARE AT THE BOTTOM. - AND AS YOU LOOK THROUGH THE - ORGANIZATION, THROUGH PEOPLE WHO - IMPACT ON POLIND COMMUNITY, - IT IS NOT REFLECTIVE. - PART OF MOVING FORWARD WILL BE - THINGS. - AND THERE'S BEEN PLENTY, PLENTY

- OF RECOMMENDATIONS, PLENTY OF - EVIDENCE-BASED PIECES THAT HAVE - BEEN GIVEN THAT CAN HELP DO - THAT. - >> Reporter: WHAT DO YOU SAY TO - PEOPLE WHO THINK ALL POLICE ARE - WHY DO YOU STILL BELIEVE IN THIS - SYSTEM OF POLICING? - >> SO, FIRST, LET ME TALK ABOUT - AALL POLICE ARE BAD." - I MEAN, I UNDER WHERE THAT - WOULD COME FROM. - T I . - BUT BECAUSE I WORK WITH THEM - PERSONALLY, I WAS ONE, I KNOW - THAT'S NOT THE CASE. - KNOW THERE'S PEOPLE INSIDE - THAT ORGANIZATION, MANY - ORGANIZATIONS TRYING TO DO THE - RIGHT THING. - ONTHE QUESTION THAT'S LEF THE - TABLE IS WHAT DOES THAT LOOK - LIKE MOVING FORWARD? - AND SO, WE DO KNOW THAINT - W CK TO THE OLD RULEBOOK OF HOW - YOU ENGAGE AND YOU, YOU - KNOW, INFORM YOUR POLICIES ARE - NOT GOING TO WORK. - >> Reporter: AND LAST WORD TO - YOU TEF. - WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE? - WHAT DO YOU WANT TO SEE HAPPEN? - >> WHAT I WOULD LOVE TO SEE - HAPPEN IS FOR BOTH BLACK AND - WHITE POLICE OFFICERS TO REALLY - OPEN UP THEIR THIRD EYE AND - UNDERSTAND WHAT'S HAPPENING - HERE. - Y ARE ALLOWING YOURSELVES TO

- BE WEAPONIZED TO THE GOOD OF THE - OLIGARCHS, TO THE GOOD OF PEOPLE - WHO HAVE NO GOOD FOR YOU IN THE - SENSE YOU HAVE BECOME THE TOY - SOLDIERS OF THE RICH. - ZED THAT CAN CHANGE RIGHT NOW, - BUT WE AS THE CI CAN'T - CHANGE THAT. - AND THERE'S NO WAY IN HELL THAT - LAW ENFORCEMENT SHOULD W BE - WITH THE CONSTITUENCIES THAT - THEY LIVE NEXT DOOR TO RIGHT - NOW. T - LIKE, WHEN YE THAT UNIFORM - OFF, YOU LIVE NEXT DOOR TO THE - SAME PEOPLE YOU'RE SHOOTING AT, - AND THAT'S RIDICULOUS. - >> Reporter: SO MUCH TO TALK - ABOUT. - THANK YOU, TRACY AND TEF. - >> Woodruff: AS WE DISCUSSED - EARLIER TONIGHT, THIS PAST - WEEK'S PROTESTS HAVE ALSO - RE-IGNITED DEMANDS ABOUT - TACKLING DEEP INEQUALITY IN - AMERICA. - AFRICAN AMERICANS FACE G - STAGGERIS IN WEALTH AND - INCOME, INHO EDUCATIONING, - AND HEALTH CARE-- GAPS THAT HAVE - BEEN LAID BARE AND MADE NARSE BY

- THE CORUS PANDEMIC. - EVEN AS TODAY'S JOBS REPORT FOR - THE MONTH OF MAY SAW WHITEEM - OYMENT DROP, BLACKOS - UNEMPLOYMENTTO NEARLY 17%. - AMNA NAWAZ WILL FOCUS ON THE - ROS OF THESE PROBLEMS IN A - MOMENT, BUT FIRST, LET'S HEAR - FROM PEOPLE WHO LIVE WITH THEM. - >> TO BE BLACK IN AMERICA IS TO - KNOW THE FULL PRECIOUSNESS AND - PRECARRITY IN LIFE. - I HAVE ASTHMA, AND SINCE THE - LOCKDOWN HAS SORT OF HAPPENED - AROUND THE PANDEMIC, I HAVEN'T - EFT MY HOME. - I'M TELLING YOU THIS THAT YOU - UNDERSTAND HOW MUCH IT WULD - TAKE TO GET ME OUT OF THE HOUSE - AND TO BE ON THE STREETS, THAT - THE RISK WAS WORTH IT TO ME. - >> THE PROTESTS HAVE A LOT-- A - LOT OF WHITE ALLI, AND I LOVE - THAT. - NOW, WHAT I WOULD SLIKE E IS - TO HAVE THOSE PEOPLE USING THEIR - POWER OF THE PURSE TO HELP BLACK - BUSINESSES GROW.

- BECAUSE WE N DESPERATELYD IT, - ESPECIALLY IN THE ERA OF - COVID-19. - >> SLAVERY BUI EVERY PIECE OF - THIS COUNTRY. - THERE IS NOT ONE SECTOR, NOT ONN - STRY THAT AVERY DID NOT - HELP IT'S BANKING, EDUCATION, - HEALTH-- PICK ANYTHING. - WE BUILT THIS. - OF COURSE WE BELIEVE IN THIS. - OF COURSE WE BELIEVE IN THIS - COUNTRY.IT - >> IT STARTSOUR SCHOOL - SYSTEM, WRITING BLACK PEOPLE AND - PEOPLE OF COLOR INTO THEEC - CURRICULUM,SE RACISM IS - SOMETHING THAT IS LEARNED. - COP SHOOTING SOMR CHOKINGCIST - THEM OUT. - THAT IT'S ALSO HOW WE SHOW UP IN - OUR WORKPLACES. - IT'S HOW WE ASSESS HEALTHCARE - ACCESS AND EQUALITY, AND HOW WE - ASSESS EDUCATION AND EMPLOYMENT - AS WELL, THAT ALL OF THESE AREAS - HAVE WORK TO DO. - >> THE CONSISTENT EME ACROSS - OPPRESSION IS THAT BLACK PEOPLE - ARE AT THE CORE OF IT. - IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MISOGYNY - AND THE GENDER WAGE GAP, IT'S - BLACK WOMEN WHO ARE BEING MOST - IMPACTED. - FEWER BLACK WOMEN IN THIS

- COUNTRY, REGARDLESS OF CLASS, - YOU ARE 243% MORE LELY TO DIE - FROM MATERNAL MORBIDITY OR - MORTALITY. - RST SOAVE BIRTH TO MY FI - AT PIEDMONT HOSPITAL IN ATLANTA. - YOU WOULD EXPRESS UR PAIN OR - YOU WOULD EXPRESS A PARTICULAR - ISSUE THAT YOU'RE HAVING, AND - THE NUMBER OTIMES THAT MEDICAL - PROFESSIONALS WOULD SAY TO YOU, - "OH,STET'S WAIT IT OUT AND - SEE IF IT DOESN'T GET BETTER." - I LIVE MY BODY. - I LIVE IN MY EXPERIENCE, SO I - ALREADY KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO - BEINIMIZED. - SO I DO EVERYTHING POSSIBLE ON - MY END. - SO BY THE TIME COME TO YOU, I AM - IN DESPERATE NEED. - >> WHEN THIS ALL CALMS DOWN, - WHAT HAPPENS? - RIGHT NOW, THIS IS GOOD, THIS IS - POSITIVE. - BUT WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THERE'S NO - SIGNS AND THERE'SO CAMERAS, NO - MICROPHONE - WHATARE WE DOING EVERY DAY. - EACH AND EVERY DAY. - >> Reporter: FOR MORE NOW ON HOW - THOSE INEQUALITEES ARE - PERPET EVEN PROTECTED, BY - AMERICAN STEMS AND - INSTITUTIONS, I'M JOINED BY: DR. - LAUREN POWELL, EXECUTIVE - DIRECTOR OF HEALTHCARE AT TIME'S

- UP, WHICH FIGHTS HARASSMENT AND - DISCRIMINATI - SHE WAS PREVIOUSLY THE DIRECTOR - OF HEALTH EQUITY FOR THE - VIRGINIA HEALTH DEPLLTMENT. - M DARITY IS A PROFESSOR OF - PUBLIC POLICY AT DUKE - PUBLIC POLICY AT DUKE UNIVERSITY - AND CO-AUTHOR OF "FROM HERE TO - EQUALITY: REPARATIONS FOR BLACK - AMERICANS IN THE 21sNICENTURY"; - ANLE HANNAH-JONES IS AN - INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER FOR THE - "NEW YORK TIMES MAGAZINE"-- SHE - LED THEIR PULITZER-PRIZE WINNING - 1619 PROJECTEXAMINING THE - LEGACY OF SLAVERY IN THIS - COUNTRY AND CENTERING THE - STORIES OF BLACK AMERICANS. - WELCOME TO YOU ALL, AND THANK - YOU FOR BEING HERE. - AND, DR. POWELL, I WANT TO START - WITH YOU, BECAUSE WE CANNOT - FORGET THIS MOMENT IS UNFOLDING - ON TOP OF A GLOBAL HEALTH CRISIS - HERE IN AMERICA. - BLACK AMERICANS ARE - DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTED.EY - AKE UP 13% OF THE - POPULATION BUT MORE THAN A FIFTH - OF ALL COVID-RELATED DEATHS. - YOU'VE CALLED THIS YOUR - NIGHTMARE SCENARIO. - WHY? - >> WELL, I THINK THAT THISCO - MOMENT IS LUENCE OF - SEVERAL HISTORIC INJUSTICES ALL - AT ONCE.

- I WAS TALKING WITH A COLLEAGUE - NOT TOO LONG AGO, AND A - COLLEAGUE IN EMERGENCY - MANAGEMENT. - AND I REALLY EXPRESSED THAT MY - BIGGEST FEARAS THAT SOMETHING - H TERRIBLE AS THE MURDER OF - GEORGE FLOYD WOUPEN IN THE - MIDDLE OF THIS PANDEMIC AND THAT - PEOPLE WOULD FEEL THE ED AND - THE WILLING-- THE RIFLE NEED TO - PROTEST IN THIS MOMENT. - AND THE INTERSECTIONS WHAT - TVID-19 IS ALREADY DOING TO THE - BLACK COMMUNITY OF THE - POTENTIAL FOR SPREAD IN PROTESTS - CERTAINLY LED TO WHAT I CALLED - "MY WORST NIGHTMARE" AND WHAT IS - ACTUALLY COMING TO PASS RIGHT - NOW. - >> Rr: PROFESSOR DARITY, I - WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT THE - ECONOMIC CRISIS WE ALSO CANNOT - IGNORE Y, WHICH AGAIN - DISPROPORTIONATELY AFFECTING - BLACK AMERICANS. - BLACK WORKERS HAVE BEEN - DIROPORTIONATELY AFFECD. - THEIR BUSINESSES, MANY OF THEM - ARE ESSENTIAL WORKERS CONTINUING - TO WORK ON THE FRONT LINES. - IT CANNOTET ANY CLEARER THAT - THE FACT THAT THE GAPS IN WEALTH

- AND WAGES PRE-DATE THE PANDEMIC, - PHICGH, IN THIS ONE GR - AND I JUST WANT TO SHARE THIS, - IT WAS PUBLISHED THIS WEEK INPO - THE "WASHINGTOST"-- IT SHOWS - MEDIAN HOUSEHOLD WEALTH OVER THE - LAST 70 YEARIN AME - THAT TOP LINE, WHICH IS - CONTINUING TO GO UP, IS WHITE - HOUSEHOLD WEAL - THE BOTTOM LINE IS BLACK - HOUSEHOLD WEALTH, BASICALLY - STAGNAEANT OVER 70. - PEOPLE WILL LOOK AT THAT AND - WONDER, HOW IS THAT POSSIBLE? - WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THEM? - >> I THINK IT'S A CONSEQUENCE OF - THE INTERGENERATIONAL EFFECTS OF - THE CUMULATIVE IMPACT OF - AMERICA'S RACIAL HISTORY. - THE STARTING POINT FOR THE GAP - THAT YOU DESIBED IN THE AG - THAT YOU PRESENTED IS THE - FAILURE TO PROVIDE THE FORMERLY - ENSLAVED WITH THE 40-ACRE LAND - GRANTS THAT THEY WERE PROMISED - AT THE END OF THE CIVIL WAR. - THAT FAILURE WAS ACCOMPANIED BY - THE PROVISION OF 160-ACRE LAND - GRANTS IN THE WESTERN PART OF - OUTHE UNITED STATES TO NUM - WHITE FAMILIES.

- SO, ON THE ONE HAND, THE - FORMERLY ENSLAVED GOT NOTHING, - WHICH PRECLUDED THEIR - OPPOUNITY TO PASS RESOURCES - DOWN TO SUBSEQUENT GENERATIONS, - WHILE MANY WHITE AMERICANS - RECEIVED SUBSTANTIAL LAND - GRANTS. - AND THEN AMERICAN NATIONAL - POLICIES SURROUNDING HOUSING - ACQUISITION IN THE 20th CENTURY, - PARTICULARLY REDLINING,WE A - AS THE PRESENCE OF PREDATORY - LENDING FOR HOMEOWNERS-- ALL - OF THESE FACTORS ACCUMULATE OVER - TIME TO CREATE THE KIND OF - THRACIAL WEALTH DISPARITIE - WE'RE OBSERVING NOW. - >> Reporter: AND, NIKOLE, TO - BRG US BACKO THIS MOMENT, - NOW, WE'RE HAVWHG TO QUESTION - WE LOOK AT THE WEALTH OF - INDIVIDUALS AND HOUSEHOLDS, BUT - ALSO-- ALSO HOW WE AS A COUNTRY - SPEND OUR RESOURCES. - IT'S LED TO THIS QUESTION AND - THE MESSAGE OF DEFUNDING THE - POCE. - I'M CURIOUS WHAT YOU MAKE OF - THAT CONVERSATION RIGHT NOW. - >> WELL, WHAT WE KNOW IS, IN A - CAPITALIST COUNTRY, WHAT WE - VALUE IS SHOWN BY WHAT WE PUT - OUR RESOURCES TOWARDS. - WE HAVE SEEMED TO HAVE AN - UNENDING AMOUNT OF RESOURCES

- MILITARIZING THE POLICE, TOWARDS - BUILDING JAILS, TOWARDSRC - INATION, EVEN AS WE'VE - SEEN PUBLIC SCHOOL SPENDING GO - FLAT. - EVEN THAT WE HAVE SEEN DECLINE - IN SPENDINON PUBLIC GOODS AND - SERVICES. - EVEN AS WE'VE TRIED TO CUT - PROG - PROGRAMS SUCH AS FOOD STAMPS. - SO, WHAT THE PANDEMIC HAS SHOWN - US IS THATF WE DECIDE AT WE - WANT TO MEET BASIC NEEDS OF OUR - CITIZENS, WE, IN FACT, CAN DO - THAT. - WE JUST ARE CHOOSING NOT TO. - WE SUDDENLY HAVE FOUND THAT WE - STUDENOVIDE ALL OF OUR - WITH INTERNET-READY DEVICES IFTH - WE WANT TOAT WE CAN ASK - CABLE COMPANIES TO GIVE FREE - INTERNET TO OUR STUDENTS, THAT - WE CAN PROVIDE THREE MEALS A DAY - FOR OUR FAMILIES AND OUR - SCHOOLS. - SAID WE COULDN'T DO, WE'VE DONE. - HOW DO WE THEN GO BACK TO NOT - DOING THOSE THINGS ONCE THIS - PANDEMIC IS OVER? - >> Reporter: YOU MENTIONED THE - EDUCION COMPONENT, WHICH - DOESN'T GET ENOUGH ATTVETION. - AND YOONE SO MUCH - EXTRAORDINARY REPORTING,ON - UNPACKING THING - SEGREGATION OF AMERICAN SCHOOLS.

- WE TALK A LOT ABOUT OFFICIAL - ACCOUNTABILY THIS TIME, BU - I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT - INDIVIDUAL ACCOUNTABILITY. - CAEXPLAIN A LITTLE BIT - ABOUT HOW THE INDIVIDUAL - DECISIONS THAT WE MAKE AS - AMERICANS,BOUT WHERE WE LIVE - AND WHERE WE SEND OUR KIDS TO - SCHOOL, HOW THAT CONTRIBUTES TO - THAT SEGREGATION? - >> YES, O, F COURSE. - KNOW THAT INEQUALITY IS - BOTH STRUCTURAL AND HELD UP BY - INVIDUAL CHOICES THAT EVERYDAY - AMERICANS MAKE. - HAVE SCHOOL DISTRICTS THAT - ARE VERY SEGREGATED, BUT THEY'RE - SEGREGAD BECAUSE THE MOST - POWERFUL PARENTS IN A SCHOOL - STRICT, WHICH ARE AFFLUENT - WHITE PARENTS, WANT ISOTHAT WAY. - ANON THE ONE HAND, WE HAVE - LARGE NUMBERS OF AMERICANS, THE - MAJORITY OF AMERICANS WHO SAY - THEY BELIEVE IN SCHOOL EQUALITY - AND THEY BELIEVE IN INTEGRATION. - BUT TN THEY MAKE INDIVIDUAL - CHOICES THAT BENEFIT THEIR OWN - CHILDREN, THAT ENSURE THAT THEIR - OWN CHDREN WILL GET ACCESS TO - THE BEST PUBLIC SCHOOLS. - THEY FIGHT AGAINST EFFORTS TO - TAKE OFF THINGS THAT SCREEN - CHILDREN OUT, LIKE EXAMS TO GETO - CHOOLS, PORTFOLIO REVIEWS - TO GET INTO SCHOOLS. - AND SO, EN THOUGH WE SEE THESE - LARGE KIND OF SYSTEMIC

- EQUALITIES, PARENTS ARE - HOLDING THOSE INEQUALITIES UP - WITHNDHEIR IIDUAL CHOICES - AND ALSO FIGHTING THE SYSTEMIC - CHANGES, AS WELL. - >> Reporter: PROFESSOR DARITY, - LEME FOLLOW UP WITH YOU ON - THAT. - TH IDEA OF INDIVIDUAL - ACCOUNTABILITY, WHEN IT COMES TO - THE ECONOMY, WHEN IT COMES TO - SYSTEMS THAT HAVE BEEN BUILT - ARER 400 YEARS, HOW DO - INDIVIDUALS STTO MAKE - DECISIONS TO DISMANTLE THEM AND - TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE RACIST - IDEAS ARE NOT PERPETUATED? - >> SO, I THINK INDIVIDUALS HAV - TO GET INTO THE PROCESS OF - SUPPORTING SOCIAL POLIMAES THAT - COUL THE STRUCTURAL - CHANGES IN AMERICAN LIFTE THAT - COULD THE KINDS OF - INEQUALITIES THAT WE'RE TALKING - ABOUT. - IT'S ALSO A QUESTION OF WHAT - YOUR POLITICAL ACTIONS ARE IN - TERMS OF SUPPORTINGHE KINDS OF - SOCIAL POLICIES THAT WE NEED TO - ALTER THE CIRCUMSTANCES. - AND, IN PARTICULAR, WITH RESPECT - TO THE RACIAL WEALTH GAP IN THE - WORK THAT I'VE DONE WITH KI TTEN - MULLEN A BOOK THAT YOU - MENTIONED, "FROM HERE TO - EQUALITY," WE'VE AUED THAT A

- NAOGRAM OF REPARATIONS WOULD BE - REQUIRED TO ELI THAT HUGE - CIAL WEALTH CHASM, AND A - PROGRAM OF REPARATIONS ON THE - ORDER OF THE PROVISION OF - $10 TRILLION TO $12 TRILLION AND - RESOURCES TO NATIVE BLACK - AMERICANS. - THESE RESOURCES WOULD BE B - REQUIRAUSE WE ARE IN A - PRESENT SITUATION IN WHICH BLACK - AMERICANS CONSTITUTE ABOUT 13% - OF THE NATION'S POPULATION BUT - ONLY HAVE 2.6% OF TION'S - WEALTH. - BLACK HEADS HOUSEHOLDS WITH A - COLLEGE DEGREE HAVE TWO-THIRDS - OF THE NET WORTH OF WHITE HEADS - OF HOUSEHOLDS WHO NEVER FINISHED - HIGH SCHOOL. - AND THIS IS CLEAR EVIDENCE OF - THE EFFECTS OF-- THE LONG-TERM - CUMULATIVE EFFECTS OF AMERICA'S - RACIAL HISTORY THAT I MENTIONED - EARLIER. - >> Reporter: DR. TWELL, THERE - S CUMULATIVE EFFECT. - CLEARLY, WE'RE HAVING THIS

- CONVERSATI RIGHT NOW LARGELY - BECAUSE OF POLICING AND BECAUSE - OF THURE LIFE-AND-DEATH NOF - POLICING FOR BLACK AMERICANS.ON - THE DECIJUST TO GO OUT AND - PREST RIGHT NOW IS A LIFE-OR- - DEATH DEC YISION. - WHENOU LOOK AT ALL OF THE - PROTESTS THAT ARE GROWING, ARE - NOW UNFOLDING IN EVERY SINGLE - STATE, WHAT'S YOUR BIGGEST - OUNCERN? - HOW DOELL SOMEONE WHETHER - OR NOT THEY SHOULD PARTICIPATE - IN THIS MOMENT? - I DO THINK WE HAVE TO RECOGNIZE - THERE ARE SOME RISKS IN GOING - OUT TO PROTEST RIGHT NOW. - WE ARE STILL IN A PUBLIC HEALTH - EMERGENCY. - WE ARE STILL IN A PANDEMIC. - SO TO THAT EXTENT, PROTESTERS - SHOULD AEOLUTELY BE PRING - THEMSELVES. - THIS ENTIRE SITUATION HAD - UNFOLDED AROLICE AND THE - EXCESSIVE USE OF FORCE. - THAT MEANS WE SHOULD REALLY BE - RETHINKING, SHOULD YOU BE USING - PEPPER SPRAY? - LIKELY NOT. - IN A PANDEMIC WHERE THE VIRUS IS - SPREAD THROUGH-- THROUGH PERSON- - TO-PERSON TRANSMISSION THROUGH - DROPLETS, PEPPER SPRAY CAUSES - PEOPLE TO COUGH. - TEAR GAS CAUSES PEOPLE TO CRY - AND CAUSES PEOPLE TO WANT TO - REMOVE THEIR MASKSES - AND SO, E ARE SOME OF THE

- THINGS THAT OUR OWN GOVERNMENT - AND OUR OWN LAWMAKERS SHOD BE - CONSIDERING. - EVENEN IN THIS M- AND I WILL - SAY I THINK IT'S A PRIVILEGE TO - BE ABLE TO-- TO THINK ABOUT - SEPARATING THE TWO OF THESE - MOMENTS TOGETHER. - THE UNDERLYING GOLDEN THREAD, IF - YOU WILL, BETWEEN COVID-19 AND - THE RESPONSE WE'RE SEEING - FOLLOWING THE MURDER OF GEORGE - FLOYD, THE GOLDEN THREAD THAT - BINDS THE TWO TOGETHER IS - RACISM. - AND SO, THERE WILL NEVER BE A - CONVENIENT MOMENT, THERE WILL - NEVER BE A CONVENIENT TIME TO - GGIN THE WORK OF DISMANTL - RACISM. - AND SO, TO THAT POINT, YOU KNOW, - I SAY I THINK THAT PEOPLE HAVE - TO WEIGH THE ODDS ON THEIR OWN. - THEY HAVE TO WEIGH THE RISKS ON - THEIR OWN AND DO RECOGNIZE THAT - EMERGENCY. IN IT, IN AN - AND SO, THERE ARE STILL RISKS TO - GOING OUT, BUT I DO THINK THAT - IT'S POSSIBLE TO DO IT SAFELY. - >> Reporter: I THANK ALL THREE - OF YOU VERY, VERY MUCH FOR YOURI - AND FOR BEING WITH US. - THAT'S DR. LAUREN POWELL, THE - OL HANNAH JONES, AND PROFESSOR

- WILLIAM DARITY. - THANK YOU. - >> THANK YOU. - >> THANK YOU. - >> THANK YOU. - ST - Woodruff: THE WO WEEKS - HAVE BEEN A WAKE-UP CALL TO - MANY, BUT FOR ACK AMERICANS, - RACISM, BIAS AND OFFENSIVE - BEHAVIOR ARE BLENDED INTO THEIR - LIVES, IN THEIR WORKPLACES, IN - THEIR COMMUNITIES. - AND AS MANY OF THEM TOLD US, IT - WEIGHS ON BOTH THEM AND THEIR - CHILDREN. - >> WHEN I WAS NINE YEARS OLD, MY - THER TOOK AWAY MY WATER GUN. - HE SAID, "YOU CAN'T HAVE WATER - GUN BECAUSE THE POLICE WON'T - KNOW THAT YOU'RE A LITTLE BOY." - >> I HAVE SPENT THE LAST WEEK - PAYING CLOSE ATTENTION TO THE - DEVELOPMENT OUT OF MINNEAPOLIS - AND GLOBALLY, TAKEN MY - ONE-YEAR-OLD SON TO THHOWHITE - E MULTIPLE TIMES SO THAT HE - COULD, YOU KNOW, FEEL IT, IF NOT - UNDERSTAND IT. - OFFENSE IN LIFE.N GET - YOU GET TO TAKE RISKS. - YOU GET TO OVERCOME FAILURE.

- YOU GET TO LEARN LESSONS THE - HARD WAY. - AND I THINK BLACK KIDS HAVE TO - AY DEFENSE FIRST. - >> THIS FEAR IS REAL FOR US. - IT'S NOT AN ILLUSION. - WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS ALL - OF OUR LIVES. - >> YOU HAVE TO TONESE YO - DOWN AS A BLACK PERSON, JUST - WHITE PEOPLE CAN'T BE AFRAID OF - YOU. - >> I DON'T WANT TO TENSE UP - EVERY TIME I SEE A POLICE CAR. - AN HD AUTOMATICALLY, NDS GO - TO THE TOP OF MY STEERING WHEEL. - I WANT US TO THRIVE, NOT JUSTY - O SURVIVE EACH DAY, TRY TO - SURVIVE EACH EI OUNTER. - >> ME FROM A MULTACIAL - FAMILY. - I HAVE ALWAYS FELT LIKE-- AND MY - PARENTS-- I MEAN, IN DCT AND - INDIRECT WAYS TOLD ME ALL - THROUGHOUT MY CHILDHOOD AND EVEN - IN MY ADULT YEARS, THAHAVE - TO WORK TWICE AS HARD TO PROVE - MYSELF. - AND IT'S NOT FAIR. - I CAN'T MAKE MISTAKE LIKE OTHER - PEOPLE MAKE MISTAKES BAUSE I - WILL BE JUDGED DIFFERENTLY.

- I WILL EXPERIENCE CQUONCES - DIFFERENTLY. - >> PEOPLE OF CRR COLORARE ALWAYS - BEING TOLD WE HAVE TO BE THE ONE - TO FORGET. - I WANT TO KNOWWHY? - WHY DO I HAVE TO FORGIVE YOU - WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO HURT ME? - WHY DO I HAVE TO FORGIVE YOU - WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO HURT THOSE - I LOVE? - WHY DO I HAVE TO FORGIVE YOUO - WHENU CONTINUE TO MAKE THE - KIDS I WORK WITH FEELESS THAN? - I SHOULDN'T HAVE TO PORGIV FORGU - FOR THAT. - AFRICAN-AMERICAN FAMILIES, THE - CHALLENGES, THE PHEN, AND - OUTRIGHT EXHAUSTION CONNECTED - WITH THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR - PRESENT THEIR OWN DISTINCT - BURDENS. - SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT CHARLAYNE - HUNTER GAULT TALKS WITH A FATHER - AND HIS GROWN SON ABOUTHEIR - WORK OVER DECADES ATE - CHANGE. - >> ReporNDter: CLEVEELLERS-- - A.K.A. CLEVE-- IS ONE OF THE - ICONIC LEGENDS OF THE 1960s - CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. - HIS SON, BAKARI SELLERS, IS A

- FORMER SOUTH CAROLINA LEGISLATOR - WHOSE RECENT BOOK IS CALLED "MY - VANISHING COUNTRY." - THANK YOU MUCH FOR JOINING - JOINING ME. - IT'S GREAT TO SEE YOUFTER ALL - THESE YEARS. - LET ME START WITH YOU, CLEVE. - BASED ON YOUENYEARS OF - EXPE, THIS GEORGE FLOYD - KILLING IS NOTHING NEW, RIGHT? - >> ABSOLUTELY. - THE MURDER OF EMMETT TILL WAS - THE THING THAT I KDED OF - LOPED MY SOCIAL - CONSCIOUSNESS AROUND. - >> Reporter: AND, OF COURSE, - EMMETT TILL WAS LYNCHED - TENSIBLY FOR WHIS AT A - WHITE WOMAN. - AND SO, HOW DID ALL OF WHAT YOUE - WEERIENCING DURING THE - CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT RIGHT ON - UP THROUGH THE TIME YOU YOURSELF - GOT SH IN ORANGEBURG WHILE - YOUNG PEOPLE WERE DEMONSTRATINGE - AND FOUR MEN W KILLED-- HOW - DID THAT AFFECT YOUR ADVICE TO - YOUR SON, BAKARI, GROWING UP? - >> AFRICAN-AMERICAN MEN HAD TO - TELL OUR SONS OUT THE SURVIVAL - SKILLS. - AND WE A HAD TO TELL THEM THE - PROTOCOL THAT THEY SHOULD FOLLOW - IN ORDER F THEM NOT TO GET - ARRESTED FOR JUST BEING

- INDIGNANT ABOUT THE NAME-CALLING - BY POLICE OFFICERS A - ANTAGONISMS BY POLICE OFFICERSHA - SOTHEY CAN GET HOME AND WE - COULD THEN LITIGATE-- PROTEST - THE TIONS OF THAT PARTICULAR - OFFICER.AM - SO, IT BIMPORTANT FOR ME - TO DO THAT WITH ALL THREE OF MY - CHILDREN, ONEERHO WAS A - DAUG - AND WE TALKED TO HER ABOUT - DRIVING AT NIGHT IN THE BLUE - LIGHT HOME AND HAVING TO PULL - OVER IN AN AREA THAT HAD LIGHTS - AND HAD SOME PEOPLE AROUND SO - AT YOU WOULDN'T BE ISOLATED. - AND THEN END UP LIKE SANDRA - BLAND. - >> Reporter: SODI, BAKARI, HOW - YOUR FATHER'S ADVICE IMPACT - YOU? - >> WELL, IT WASN'T AS MUCH THE - ADVICE AS IT WAS THE EXAMPLE - THAT MY FATHER SET. - ROD I'M ACT OF THE - PROVERB, "IT TAKES A VILLAGE TO - RAISE A CHILD." - YOU KNOW, IN MY BOOK, "MY - VANISHING COUNTRY," I TALK ABOUT - ALL OF THESE PEOPLE - PART OF MY PROVERBIAL VILLAGE, - AND MY FATHER ALWAYS TOOK MTOMO - THE ALS.

- HE ALWAYS TOOK ME TO THE - SERVICES. - HE LET ME HAVE THESE-- SIT AT - THE ADULT TABLES AND HAVE THESE - CONVERSATIONS WITH MANY OF THESE - HEROES. - AND I WRITE-- AND BECAUSE IT'S - SO TRUE-- THAT HEROES WALK AMONG - US. - AND SO MANOF THE LESSONS THAT - EMRE PASSED DOWN TO ME, THEY - WERE BUILT ON THISE THAT - OUR HISTORY IS MORE THAN JUST - MARTIN, MALCOLM AND ROSA. - BUT INSTEAD, WE HAVE TO UPHOLDNA - THS LIKE ELLA BAKER, LIKE - FANNIE LOU HAMER, LIKE MODJESKA - SIMKINS AND SEPTIMA CLARK. - AND THOSE LESSONS ARE THE ONES - THAT RING TRUE, ESPECIALLY - TODAY. - >> Reporter: AND YOU PASS THOSE - ALONG TO YOUR-- YOUR CHILDREN, - AS WELL? - >> I HAVE A 15-YEAR-OLD DAUGHTEU - WH GOT HER PERMIT, AND NOW - SHE'LL BE DRIVING. - AND MANY OFHOSE CONVERSATIONS - THAT BLACK PARENTS HAVE TO HAVE - WITH BLACK CHILDREN, THAT WHITE - THEIR KIDSE HAVING TODAY.E WITH - I TALKED WITH HER IF A POLICE - OFFICER IS BEHIND YOU, MAKE RE - YOU CALL 911 AND GO TOO A - WELL-LIT AREA, BECAUSE I

- DON'T WANT HER TO BE SANA - BLAND. - I DON'T WANT HER TO BE MISTAKEN - FOR ANYTHING. - SO, SHE HAS TO WATCH HER HANDS. - I MEAN, AT THE END OF THE DAY, - ONE OF THE THINGS WE NEED TO - REALIZE IS THAT INNYHIS COUNTRY, - LACK FOLK DON'T GET THE - BENEFIT OF THEIR HUMANITY. - AND I'M PETRIFIED THAT ONE DAY - THERE MAY BE OICER WHO DOES - NOT SEE MY DAUGHTER AS BEING - ANYTHING-- AS BEING-- AS BEING - ANYTHING BUT HUMAN.IN - YOU KNOWHE GEORGE FLOYD - CASE, YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT - THOSE OFFICERS SAW GEORGE AS - BEING A HUMAN BEING. - THEY SET ON HIS NECK FOR EIGHT - MINUTES. - AND THAT'S THE FEAR THAT I HAVE - OF RAISING A BLACK CHILD, THAT - HER LIFE WILL BE CUT SHORT - SIMPLY BECAUSE OF A FEAR, A - PARANOIAORA LACK OF HUMANIT - A LACK OF DIGNITY, BECAUSE SHE'S - A BLACK GIRL IN THIS COUNTRY. - >> Reporter: LEME ASK BOTH OF - YOU, GIVEN THE REACTION, - WIDESPREAD REACTI TO THE - GEORGE FLOYD CASE, ARE YOU - OPTIMISTIC THAT THINGS ARE - FINAY GOING TO CHANGE? - I MEAN, I JUST HEARD YOU GIVE A - LONG LIST OF THINGS THAT HAVE - BEEN GOING ON WITH BLACK - CHILDREN ALL THSE YEARS.

- >> I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, FOR - THE BLACK LIVES MATTER, IT'S - TIME TO BEGIN TO BRING PEOPLE - TOGETHER AND TO ORGANIZE FOLKS - AND BEGIN TO PUT SOMETHING IN - PLACE THAT HAS SOME KIND OF-- OF - PLACE THAT HAS SOME KIND OF-- - OF-- TEXTURE TO IT AND SOME KIND - OF FRAMEWORK TO IT. - >> Reporter: AND BAKARI, SO, - HOW OPTIMISTIC ARE YOU THAT THIS - NEW WAVE OF PROTTS ARE GOING - TO CHANGE THINGS IN A VERY - SIGNIFICANT WAY? - PERHAPS MORE THAN IN THE PAST? - >> I DON'T KNOW IF I CAN SAY - THAT, BUT THE BIGGEST PROBLEM IS - THAT THIS HAS BECOME A CYCLE - THAT IS PERPETUATED IN THIS - COUNTRY. - AND LET ME ALSO JUST PUSH BACK - SLIGHTLY ON THE FRAMING OF THE - QUESTION, BECAUSE I DON'T WANT - ANYBODY TO BELIEVE THAT THIS IS - ABOUT GEORGE FLOYD ALONE. - THIS ISNT . - THIS IS ABORGE FLOYD. - THIS IS ABOUT BREONNA TAYLOR. - THIS IS ABOUT AHMAUD ARBERY. - THIS ABOUT DAVID MACKENZIE. - AND THIS IS AJUUT SYSTEMIC - ICE AND INSTITUTIONALIZED - RACISM THAT'S BEEN PERPETUATED - IN THIS COUNTRY F YEARS UPON - YEAR UPON DECADES UPON - CENTURIES.

- AND TO CHANNEL MY FATHER AND - FANNIE LOU HAMER, PEOPLE ARE - TIRED.ND TIRED OF BEING SICK AND - AND SO, NOW, WE'RE AT THE POINT - NOW, WHERE I'M-- I-- MY JOB IS - TO BREAK THAT PERPEI'AL CYCLE. - ANPROUD THAT PEOPLE LIKE - TAYLOR SWIFT AND CARSON WENTZ - AND TREVOR LAWRENCE ARE COMING - OUT. - >>eporter: SO, YOU SOUND - LITTLE BIT OPTIMISTIC THAT THIS - MASSIVE PROTEST MOVEMENT FROMOU - THE WORLD-- NOT JUST IN - THIS COUNTRY, BUT AROUND THE - WORLD NOW-- THAT'S A BIGHANGE - FROM THE PAST, ISN'T IT? - >> I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S A BIG - CHANGE. - LET ME JUST SAY THAT MY FATHER'S - GENERATI CAPTIVATED THE WORLD - DOFORE. - LIKE, T REALLY GIVE PEOPLE - CREDIT FOR SHOWING UP. - I WANT TO SEE THE - FOLLOW-THROUGH. - AND I HOPE THAT PEOPLE ARE - PEOPLE WILL BE TH FAITH THAT - BUT THIS WILL BE NEW. - THIS WILL HAVE TO BE A NEW DOOR - THAT IS OPENED. - AND, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THREE - CHILDREN AND I'M GOING TO REMAIN - ON THIS JOURNEY FOR TRUTH AND - JUSTICE AND PEACE, BUT I DON'T - WANT T TO PAM DOWN THE SAME - AMERICA THAT I HAVE NOW. - >> Reporter: JUST VERY QUICKLY - TO BOTH OF YOU AS A FINAL

- QUESTIO HOW MUCH OF THE - FOLLOW-THROUGH IS GOING TO - DEPEND ON VOTING? - >> WELL, I THINA LOT OF IT IS - GOING TO DEPEND ON VOTING, BUT - THERE ARE GOING TO BE STRUCTURAL - CHANGES THAT ARE GOING TO HAVE - AND I THINK, LIKE ROY WILKINS - SAID, "HOW MANY COFFINS MUST-- - MUST WE WALK BEHIND WE - CAN FIND JUSTICE AND EQUALITY - AND PEACE AND LOVE?" - >> Reporter: SO, I THINK I HEAR - BOTH OF YOU SAYIEDNG WHAT YOU - TO SAY, WE ALL USED TO SAY BACK - IN THE DAY OF THE CIVIL RIGHTS - MOVEMENT: "WE'VE GOT TO KEEP ON - KEEPING ON." - IS THAT RIGHT? - >> AMEN. - "KEEP ON KEEPING ON." - "NO JUSTICE, NO PEACE." - >> Woodruff: AND THANK YOU, - CHARLAYNE. - AS WE'VE HEARD THROUGHOUT THE - PROGRAM, THERE'S A - RESPONSIBILITY TO MOVE TO - MEANINGFUL AND LASTING CHANGE - THAT ALL OF US, ESPECIALLY - WHITE AMERICANS, HAVE TO - ADDRESS. - MANY PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ASKING FOR - RESOCES AND IDEAS. - ON OUR WEB SITE, YOU CAN FIND A - LIST OF BOOKS, ARTICLES,

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