Report from Santa Fe; Jane Goodall

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report from santa fe is made possible in part by a grant from the members of the national education association of new mexico an organization the professionals who believed that investing in public education is an investment in our state's economic future i'm living wills welcome to report from santa fe our guest today is dr jane goodall most well known for her work on chimpanzees but also an emissary of peace and the world famous author of come to new mexico and welcome to report from santa fe when i was so i'm going to list if you hear paul fishman said i don't want to embarrass you but i think people should know that in ninety thousand and one in fact it gandhi martin luther king prize for non violence in two thousand and two cars here none of the united nations' name to the united nations ambassador of peace for which you wear the dove of which they're only eleven and frightened he himself was one and he'd he has appointed ten

messages of peace and you're bringing your message here casts think you also in two thousand three queen elizabeth united you and made you a dame of the british empire so we'd like to walk a native new mexico and to thank you for the work that you've done and give us a little about your background and how you came to this because most extraordinary story it is actually very unlikely notes i was born and intend to a family with very little money we couldn't afford a bicycle that only the car and then i grew up during the years of world war two and i was always passionate about animals i had an amazing mother she supported my interest and when that somewhere between ten and my right books by tarzan of the apes with the crows passionately in love with him and very jealous of that wimpy james i thought i would be an estimate myself that i wouldn't being so this is when i got this you know when i grew up i would go to africa live with

animals write books about them but everybody loved mean how could i do that africa was still the dark continent and we didn't have any money and when incident was seven's going back and forth so no wonder they laughed at my mother and she used to always say that if we really wanted something we worked hard and took advantage of opportunities we've never gave up we would find a way so when i left school as a teen i didn't go to university and my friends or most of them as we could afford it and you can get a scholarship to a good enough foreign language so it was my mother who say will do a secretarial training then you can perhaps get a job in africa so this is what i did in the school friend gave me the opportunity when her parents moved to kenya i was invited for a holiday i saved up my wages and tips by working as a waitress to get that first vote for her and that was it and i met the late louis leakey and he realized that i needed passionately want to go

out in the bush and i didn't care about hairdressing and makeup and parties and all that stuff and he eventually was able to find the money get permission to for me to go and study chimpanzees our closest living relatives and associates in looking for certain qualities in a researcher one of which was great patience and a cool eye from observing the chimpanzees which you certainly have a night levy also didn't want mine encumbered by scientific theory in and all of that so what was your experience when you finally were able to go to the eu is not a prisoner was a part of him it became a pow it was was a hopeless with protective of that time and a post at the the awful thing was that chimpanzees was so afraid of this peculiar why sleep and to seeing such a thing before they would run away and so those early weeks turn into a one month two months you know i knew i didn't see something really exciting that but the money would never be renewed he did he had money for

six months some wealthy american businessman said i will give it try and you know the months going by and then finally the breakthrough observation seem to want to become to lose this year david gray beard crouched over a termite mound and using pieces of glass tubes we have actually a few pictures and we want to show this is one of her wonderful books called the chimpanzees i love and we actually have the picture of the two very negatively that you discovered an artist that he avoided talked about well it you know the reason this was so exciting using pieces of glass to fish the termites is that at that time it was thought that only humans used and made to strictly sets the beginning of to making it was thought that differentiated us from the rest of the animal kingdom more than anything else so enormous manitoba amanda to make a city this advice into a telegram now is redefine man be defined to or except

chimpanzees as humans and that was the first time that the chimpanzees shown themselves capable of doing things which we had thought made us unique and over these forty five years to study the line that which we used to things to show or anybody that science in between humans and the rest of the animal kingdom it's a very very blurry line which is not as unique as we used to think but as outlined where did that not send shockwaves through the scientific community isn't fast because i have a degree that they decided to this country you know i was so i was a girl to do that sort of thing i was on the train that i have no degrees i had to go back later and get a degree from cambridge yes and no says there was no time for a bee a side it goes straight for a phd and they told me i done everything wrong mentioned the main victims i couldn't talk about personality mind or emotion because those were unique us that fortunately all through my childhood

i had this amazing teacher who told me absolutely the animals do have personality mind and feeling and that was my dog rusty he gave me the courage of my convictions can you tell us about this is david greene no this is way back in the early days when we still i mean you can imagine that when beings have been running away from in fear and suddenly unable to actually touch this was you know i wouldn't default on it or anything but once they insist they can learn something from the most intelligent champion who went on to become the top male tennis williams and you know wanting to fly mcfadden who is going to continue then it became obvious that we shouldn't be touching wanted to see them out of a city within because when you look at these faces the fees

daughter fanny with feces ground some facts and this picture i love because it's so well illustrates this tenderness between mother and child and i think one of the most important aspects of my study has been to show the tremendous importance of early experience the difference that different kinds of mothering me this and it affects the whole subsequent life of the child it affects the hague in the adult but we think it's the same for humans and this is a you know it's a real message to say any experienced early childhood is so important and yet politically these issues often right at the bottom of the pile and a couple times and its a huge mistake there's a sort of mirroring because you observed the family and in the maternal instinct and chimpanzees before you had your own son anne and learn from them and then when you study them after being a mother yourself you showed that it affected how you saw them tell me a little

about how it really it was really interesting i realize i'm watching the chimpanzees that the most important thing for an infant chimpanzee was to have a mother who's protective tolerant patient and above all supportive and that they're traveling through insurance is a constant stable relationship that's the key and infants with mothers more harsh and less protective than a bottle of supportive tend to grow up to as individuals who find it difficult to form relaxed relationship snow is more tense than if that's the same for humans than that could explain a lot of adolescent dysfunctional debut but anyhow i saw this with the chimps and when i had my son i thought well you know i went to give him that kind of upbringing looking back a fund but see my mother treated me the same so whether i learned from the chimps weren't was inherited from my mother is the

same and then when i saw the chimps with that includes the females the mother's behavior which some people couldn't understand the sheath and then watching and you know a baby is asleep mothers holding each other or some other individual approach isn't accidently sneezes something makes the baby jane the mother gets mad at when i had my own baby i would have these irrational you know how can be disturbing might try and it was just so i understand better why they did what they did one thing to talk about in this magnificent biography is called reason for hope and i couldn't put it down and it's a wonderful piece but you describe it is your life is the autobiography that there's this constant own evaluation of good and evil in it what is the nature of man was a major that was the nature of love of the chimpanzee

i know that this is a question the sea every answer that where you're standing now especially in terms of your messenger of pieces raised a goodness of man on time i really interesting thing is that the chimps so like us more like us than any other living creature they had their dark side to it i was shocked to find out that they also were capable of brutality and violence even a kind of primitive more and a lot of scientists suggested it to downplay that side because they said if we have a common ancestor like six million years ago and it was possible that chimpanzees and humans have inherited aggressive tendencies therefore war and violence are inevitable announced these seeds and i do believe we've inherited tendencies of a violent sitcom look around this troubled world and not realize that we're capable of being very very aggressive but our intellect his war developed we are truly capable of controlling our

baby and we're not doing a very good job of it but we'll know i mean you sometimes people say i could kill her but they don't think he'll we do confront lessons most of the time so well and violence is not in it and look back on europe hundred years ago and it was everywhere and no peace police in western europe and so yes after president telemundo yes a lot of eastern europe and in the east is in turmoil but there is a way forward this edition of reason for hope has a special afterward the road after september eleventh can you tell us a little about what your messages with that i was a new on that day when the twin towers fell and i was shocked like everybody else and i had to go off and give a tool called reason to have a whole bunch of of high school students and i was really scared that i didn't need lawyers say but then it became

i was actually at the podium and so it's just going through my new messages new reasons to hope the human brain the resilience of nature then suddenly occurred to me i went through world war two i knew their fiero we were protected from the might of nazi germany by just a little piece of barbed wire and we have a leader who said don't be afraid we will not be defeated yourself exactly and it was it was a very big difference in the end after nine eleven with people being told be afraid and that's that was the big difference and my message was you know even though things seem grim and dark it was always look for the light ahead and just have faith that we can weave we capable of moving in that direction this is why are programmed to use funds insured so tremendously important it's about taking action kids from preschool through university in more than

ninety countries taking action choosing what they want to do to make the world better for animals or people for the environment and woven through all of it is learning to live in peace and harmony with yourself and your family or school your neighborhood and eventually formed civil so it's called roots and shoots roots make a firm foundation she'd seen tiny to reach the sound together they can break through a brick wall see the brick wall is more problems we inflict on his planet environmental problems social problems cruelty crime greed all the rest of it the messages have hundreds and thousands of young people some tips on the world can break through and can must and will make this a better world only thing things so ninety countries certainly i think six seven thousand groups and i have a fairly autonomous

so we want to tell people how they can get more information about this i think your website is debbie debbie daly you've got jane goodall dot org and is there a link there for roots in chief sitting huddled submission it's our youth program education conservation and on that web site you can think straight through to institutes you can join a line if you wish we have great materials but it's a program that's awesome up so we provide ideas we provide packs of information for teachers seemed to be a long line that has been a huge interest here in santa fe and their wheat we have now about fifty groups in mexico of weights not so many a really active but i think you know when i come with good teacher training we have to get a little office here in santa fe to coordinate the group surrounds the next and why now that many people

who see the show will then be able to go to your website w w w that jane goodall dot org and find out more about it because i know this is a very unusual season and a little surprise is such a phenomenal response and and also you know the program is about breaking down the barriers we're right between people of different cultures and different religions and i think the new mexico this can be really important i know some of the problems with the native americans and mexicans in this this is so important for the future that we learn your people and under our skin we will have the same feelings below we hate and fear and we can be hurt and suffer so bringing the youth together to break down these barriers and to learn that love and compassion leading to respect is more important than violence and an angler an argument tanya wearing a beautiful necklace of of and wolfish ears and so in a way

this rang so true with a native american populations have been telling us this for a very long time so are there particular roots and shoots branches that are on the proposal with the time this is and has been laid off of alaska at a school around north america and there are leaders who are passionate to get rich and tubes into their communities we have to we have to really find a way and i think we're just on the brink in many different native american communities it's coming together finally takes time it takes time you have to get the trust of people and i don't blame the native americans for not trusting us at or but their vision a oneness of harmony is is what the native americans have been teaching plus there's this sense of compassion and empathy with all life forms and also really important major decisions will always need a buy them how will this decision we made today effect of people

seven generations ahead huge decisions are made today based on how old is to sit decisions affecting the shareholder meeting three months ahead based on what's in it for me well it's the same thing here and you know and yet people do love their children need to know their grandchildren and this seems to be a disconnect between the brain of brilliant brain capable of taking us to the moon and medical technologies and stuff and the hearts which gets a subhuman you know the wonderful qualities of compassion love altruism is a disconnect and region to tempt me is going to bring them back even in africa today are armed i know there's been you describe it where there were once incredibly virgin forests and jungles now in the part that has preserved they still there but coming right up to the boundary a n and all your other work with empowering the native communities around that he's talked to one of them

i'm very proud of these programs will take care and when you look down and you see that outside the national park the hills of bad of people struggling to survive there's no way you can preserve this this jewel of forest if the people outside of it have nothing so take care is a very holistic program to improve the lives of the people in in ways that are in harmony with the environment so we are now in thirty three villagers and the people realizing we do care about them and know getting better water supplies and hygienic latrines and learning about conservation and farming methods most suitable to this rocky land and growing would near the center of the village to the women don't have to go train well so now they are becoming our partners they're allowing seemingly dead tree stumps well and so in about five years you have a thirty foot tree that's the only hope for argon the chimpanzees leafy cartoons that they can once again interact with other women groups outside

and what is the state of chimpanzees it's absolutely going by the million when i began in nineteen sixty percent more than a hundred and fifty thousand not disappearing christian population growth destruction of habitat but worst into one stronghold today chimpanzees in the congo basin that we have the bush meat trade which is the commercial hunting wild animals for food not subsistence hunting made possible by the roads made mostly by logging companies so hunters can go to the house had previously inaccessible voice is everything smoke it truck it into the times that the elite will pay more for that we will forbid the chicken pain and hundreds of tons shipped out african communities living in exile around the world and there are some public health implications of that recently we know that h ip wanna nature it to the aid to advise came from two separate populations of chimpanzees almost certainly jump the

species barrier because the chin ph and advised doesn't affect us but it mutated because of the bush made the bloody and chopping up of of corpses so it mutated and then from hunters began to spread and also that the ebola epidemic that moves between chimpanzees can innocent people and we don't know what other viruses retroviruses that are things like the avian flu it all started because of this way that we handle dead animals in our intensive farming that is going to it's giving rise already called superbugs the us defeat these poor animals crowded into these tiny hands you have to feed them antibiotics to keep them along those empty buckets of getting into the human chain and bacteria becoming resistant and soon they'll be resistant or which leads us into your most recent book just coming out

right now yes it's being launched next week in new york and i found it here with amazing know i was a mason astonished to read it it's called harvest for hope again to mindful eating and this is exactly that is when the most natural extension of bill you work all through your life so tell us what were your messages is gone well the message is if it's it's really let's try and learn about what happened to the food on the plate where they come from what effect did the production of that food or the transport of that from what effect did it have first the environment and the chemical the agricultural chemicals are destroying i mean hundreds and hundreds of miles of land and bleaching down into the water getting into the rivers and lakes and poisonous so what effect does it have on the environment what effect does it have on animal welfare and there we get the intensive farms and if people so that they wouldn't eat meat from animals from that way when i read about

it about twenty five years ago i looked at my plate that was a piece of me that and i thought what is this sometimes fear pain and death and i've never used it again so it's different if you have meat from a free range on a moments can find him to marry me but you know somehow when to stop eating at that point but there's a tremendous disconnect americans for you know where their food comes from possibility that it could be pain and despair on the plate instead of a barbeque international food unfortunately you know organic food is becoming ever more popular we need to bring the price down at viet cong extraordinary people like john mackey you start at whole foods in the nineties a whole new cycle a new philosophy about the team and other such organizations and people passionate this farmer's markets and that the idea of eating locally and bringing western wasting

less fossil fuels are running out of fossil fuel and yet some food is trapped miles in one direction back another and another to say can be evaluated by some huge packing company in its crazy and that's what's in this book it was a shock i didn't want to i wanted to stop halfway through i didn't want to laugh about it but i didn't think not choose more meaningfully it is some of it is very difficult leaving but i was fascinated and it made me think of the comparison between year your early days in nineteen sixty in the jungle with with the chimpanzees and the solitude and serenity of that and now tell us a little about what your life is like you and you miss those things i have to keep them in my heart because three hundred daisy on the road and get back to gandhi twice for a few days each time in the year and then they just lose myself in the forest and two and recharge my batteries it uses i'd

love for you to tell us in essence went but we can do people always say you're the scenes and they say well but what can i do i think we need to be more informed than once we've informed ourselves more about what's going on around us if everybody thought each day about the little things they do what method to i used to get from a to be what am i eating what am i wearing where did it come from the fetus a lot about the little actions we take me didn't waste we were making more people smile and just having this effect tom world around us that's the main message of roots and shoots all the youth you make a difference every single day i think they want some you know it's an independent film well as part of saying informed and it's one image and once again by jane goodall harvest for health

reason for hope in the nasal unattractive and there are many other books with villains here the chimpanzees a low single digit in the first book i ever did on the chimps in the shadow of this is still selling as well today as it did ten years ago it's amazing and they're like you're on the world i meet young people who say when i read that book i start to think differently about congress so that's what the chimps have done for us well and that's what you've done fries fried green green is the message from the champs and from all life forms says a great gift to us i'd like to thank you our guest today dr jane goodall and i really want to thank you our viewers are being tested and report from santa fe was seen next week set report from santa fe is made possible in part by a grant from the members of the national education association of new mexico an organization the professionals who believed that investing in public education is an investment in our state's economic