OutCasting; Asexuality (interview)

a hundred years ago a lot of people very well this is outcasts in public radio's lgbt q youth program we don't have to be cleared of the year out casting is a production of media for the public good a listener supported independent producer based in new york an online at outcast media dot org hi i'm andrew on the previous edition about casting now castor dante spoke of his experience growing up a sexual if you miss that program on the air you can listen online about casting media dot org on this edition dante speaks with professor anthony bogart to get an expert view on a sexuality professor bogart teaches at brock university in st catharines ontario he focuses on the study of human sexuality what is your expertise in the study of human sexuality

it's orientation searchers are primarily looking at the origin of traditional sexual orientations and i was looking back i'm variegated will or wine or white researchers or their lawyer and aren't in the questions that they about all they actually out of their sexual orientation won a record oh yes they want options we're all and their church we are the people who are a virtual people in new england when the tv or on obama

too did you all decide to turn this actual stress sexuality while though no law who are for a full refund any cause for sexuality or anything that correlates with it i found a number of coral is associated with a sexuality or let's have some implications for the origins or the causes of his sexuality for example some of our researchers found certain illogical markers that are correlated with a sexuality and others have also looked a biological markers <unk> workers and sexuality there's probably a biological predispositions to

becoming an actual like there's probably a biological predispositions for someone to become you're so strong can you draw a distinction for us between sexuality and celibacy it's the way i define it is a lack of sexual attraction to others is a particular record that it is in fact a uva sexual orientation of celibacy is basically a choice people sexuality at its core is more to do with a lot of sexual attraction probably have less to do with a choice i think most people agree at this point that homosexuality is an

orientation film that is inaccurate to refer to it as a twister behavior what is the difference between orientation and choice in oregon have to do is an enduring <unk> towards other people or an enduring a lack of orientation for other people celibacy is he ever was a lot we have very little to do for the most part people schorr says it more has to do with an enduringly predisposition towards others are a lot of women the disposition towards others is there a trend among meant all of professionals to see a sexuality was an orientation that exists within the range of normal human experience rather than a disorder that should be treated elmore her mental health people

so you order is right few years is partly so far as i argued nine years ago some of my research and also i'm still activists started to become vocal in terms of their use so a number of

rituals you all are some people may consider say sexuality to be a result of childhood sex abuse or form of repressed homosexuality is the validity of these claims both likely most essential people accuse lord for the current research suggests that there's probably a biological predispositions to your genes sexuality in terms of formal repressed homosexuality from individuals who claim to be a sexual eighty years later they come out as gay although again there is some research that distinguishes actuality homosexuality and heterosexuality so i expect that most people who are a sexual self identifying fake virtual

they usually use in general physics it seems to be harder for people to understand their most excellent asians what you think this is sexuality has been under the radar probably a hundred years ago a lot of people would probably not have understood sexuality are part of the head or sexual maturity so swell of houston under the later how we also urged people understand very well perhaps thirty or forty years people have a better understanding of a sexuality and they probably will have a sort of similar view of a sexual people the way they have a similar view of for example other minorities liza is a social status people have your sexual people

into more negative views towards actual people to review towards other sexual minorities including gay and lesbian people will kind of incorrect assumptions to people make about a six holes you're ready one idea of course they are another incorrect assumption that people don't necessarily have a romantic inclinations toward others sexual people still of course romantic inclination towards others in our discussions on our testing we've talked with the difficulties in trying to categorize people in the traditional binary categories male female gay straight we've learned that people are a lot more complicated than those categories suggest trying to shoehorn people into those categories can cause

great stress because the categories are some actually are there's a tendency particularly among young people to reject labels at the time we also learned that for example in france people first discover other trans people they have the first understanding that the categories is some they get into iran is often a great and empowering discovery for them do you think that they might be rejecting are only an attempt to fit categories so i think people felt like labels really felt like the kitchen pulled into one category or another so i think sometimes people for the winery categories you huckabee who care as an individual what do you think is the importance of labeling or crossfire sexuality and gender is stuart and trying to see them ultimately plays in the world's finding commonality among its

other people and also finding your unique among other people it's important to us and so i think some level of labeling there's some level of categorize <unk> important seventies soul an important part of human experience kinsey scale measures sexuality on his girlfriend's your sex from heterosexual thomas actual wears his sexuality relative to the scale is that on the scale at all or retirement entirely separate continuum you soul all and the way i actually mothers have tried over the years it's actually using to continue and so you kind of cross were won on the

political actors you can actually categories people workers so you can be high on attraction or same sex jean gary you can be lot of traction for the same sex attraction for the other sex sexual you can be our attraction for both sexes he bisexual or using both continue and you can also be long attraction of both sexes were to be category this is a casting public radio's lgbt q youth program that we don't have to be clear to be here i'm casting is a production of media for the public good a listener supported independent producer based in new york an online ad out casting media dot org on this edition the outcast or dante speaking with professor anthony bogart about his sexuality professor bogart teaches at brock university in st catharines ontario he focuses on the study of human sexuality

early seventies where sexuality was classified as a mental disorder by mental health professionals and standard reference field the diagnostic statistical manual or dsm what led to the removal of homosexuality from the dsm here activists were employed we also lets any mental health people started to believe their parents in derry nh of disorder and so that's what started the ball rolling so districts is there a consensus among professionals at the time to discuss <unk> now a mental health people on my knowledge of the country who believed that change there were certainly mental health people who felt that it was going to order a jury

injury citroen is listed under the current edition of the dsm giving this is appropriate quality are still construed of disorder and the idea and i would argue that that needs to be worked out as right now there is a provision herself white schools it's still been diagnosed with having a disorder still be problematic as the sexes but circumstances and if someone wants race is not self identified does not have or others may still be diagnosed with for example of disorder called

hateful act of sexual desire disorder we are all your daughters how are you where we are only cases in which a lack or sudden loss of libido possibly caused by medical issue maybe mistakenly equated with in a sexual orientation might be just people all are

so chinese people may perceive themselves as having a lot of sexual attraction for others well temporary losses are or i'll i hope we suggest that we're not necessarily a sexual life of sexual attraction for others and it may be predominately more desired show that they also at the store more or helped at least within the context of medical interventions if a child approaches her parents and says that she may be a sexual how should her parents react i'm audie cornish or

her medical history but most young people will likely want to find out more about themselves including perhaps any medical <unk> still there's still a reasonable people who are young broadly is probably no here's how are you medical intervention is very little impact our nations are just like medical interventions probably was her little context <unk> traditional orange

juice in our research and a sexuality we found that in a sex orientation has nothing to do with the level of sex drive but is about the range of people persist actually to some straight people are attracted to the opposite sex gay people are attracted to the same sex and asexual people don't expand sexual attraction to others regardless of gender but all this is unrelated to sex drive which maybe is hiring lull in his actual people as it does in sexual or our sexual people eating that's a fair description of this actually i'm reasonably fair description aloha ay sexuality while there may be a fair number of actual people were still have not necessarily connect with other people so i don't think it's necessarily like striper say that he's weak or defining feature ok sexuality but that having been said i also think that from probably on average <unk> sexual people or

sexual interest and more sex drive an average child sexual or sexual people so i don't think it's completely independent of sex drive and i do believe that the core future is a lack of sexual attraction for others as we understand more and more about the complexities of people you discover that a binary way of thinking of people as gay or straight or male or female is not quick way of describing different identities wilson can understand that some sort of thing things that most people consider to be the same can actually be different for example most people equate physical sex and gender identity but we've learned about transgender people and come to understand that physical sex and gender identity divergent some people in the context of a sexuality a lot of people are made similarly equates sexual romantic attraction and think that a sexual stomach spencer and direction so dewy similarly have to develop a more nuanced

understanding of it for example the fact that someone is sexual people can have a primitive attraction without any corresponding sexual attraction to a specific gender all these people you're welcome also broader understanding is there are aw little more nuanced and he is similar to the term transgender a sexuality it's a sort of umbrella term that encompasses a lot of variations and ideas about sexuality and romantic

attraction he describes that way as i said officials identify with respect to romantic attraction and other words just as the kinsey scale describes a continuum of sexual orientation we are now in a sexual context talking about a smaller scale that scott's a continuum of romantic orientation the way it is well are wary use options for sexual an awful or for romantic <unk> there for you and they search for a romantic person commission and also some unconventional lighting conditions and then you can also have people who are romantically well things

sex so lawyer li he'll be all over for me very little are i think are interesting and important in the context of sexuality inclinations also in the complex understanding for people more broadly is in a traditional relationship between to our sexual people sex is often thought of as a big way for two people to come closer to each other in what sorts of ways do a sexual people bond physically and one physically a special

people are not necessarily a romantic are lacking in romantic and clinicians is in fact a romantic individual bonding with another sexual there are all so one strong relationships forming intimacy beyond obviously sense will and that includes certain kinds of non juggle crossing corruption and touching on one another but not necessarily jellicoe in nature's certain kinds of machines just look at one another one another and being open one conversations and so are certain activities with one another can on

one another what we learn about sexuality from the study of a section of a lot of different ways or sexuality so one of the more minority group you know are we one another but starting a sexual people and their inclination for example we see how sexual american coalition and be the couple were separated our whole crew even sexual people so

we understand the nature of other examples to better understanding of gender differences were already some of the work that we've done have shown some of the scenes between men and women hold off a sexual a sexual woman and so we understand the nature of gender we all are very strange you very quickly because how would lose three what is along this border

professor thank you so much for joining us anthony bogart is a professor at brock university in st catharines ontario he focuses on the study of human sexuality and the previous edition about casting outcast her doctor talked about his experience growing up as a sexual you can listen to that episode online ad out casting media dot org that's it for this ad isn't about casting public radio's lgbt q u program we don't have to be queer to be here this program was produced by the outcast in team including youth participants dante michael joseph cd cheney and me andrew our executive producer is mark so this i'm guessing is a production of media for the public good a listener supported independent producer based in new york and more information about how testing is

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