PBS NewsHour; September 30, 2019, 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT

- Captioning sponsored by - NEWSHOUR PRODUCTIONS, LLC - >> Woodruff: GOOD EVENING. - I'M JUDY WOODRUFF. - ON THE "NEWSHOUR" TONIGHT, A - CRITICAL MOMENT FOR THE COUNTRY - AS PRESIDENT TRUMP LASHES OUT. - WHAT'S NEXT AS THE IMPEACHMENT - INQUIRY MOVES FORWARD AMID - CONCERNS FROM MR. TRUMP'S FIRST - HOMELAND SECURITY ADVISER. - THEN, HITTING THE MARK: SENATOR - COIN BOOKER ON HIS RUN FOR THE - WHITE HOUSE AND MEETING A KEY - AND AS RAPID ADVANCES IN - TECHNOLOGY PROPEL CHINA TO THE - GLOBAL FOREFRONT, CRITICS DECRYY - THE IMPLEMENTATION OF A - SURVEILLANCE STATE WITHIN ITS - BORDERS. - >> ( translated ): WE CAN FEEL - THIS SURVEILLANCE ALL THE TIME. - THE CHINESE AUTHORITIES USE A - NETWORK OF CAMERAS THROUGHOUTNEW - CITIES, FACIAL RECOGNITION - SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS VARIOUS - MOBILE PHONE APPS TO MONITOR - INDIVIDUALS.

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- ALL OF THIS, AS NEW ALLEGATIONS - EMERGED AND A NEW SUBPOENA - LANDED. - CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT LISA - DESJARDINS BEGINS OUR COVERAGE. - ( APPLAUSE ) - >> Reporter: OUTSIDE WASHINGTONS - PRESIDENT TRUMP, THE COMMANDER - IN CHIEF, TODAY FORMALLY - WELCOMED THE NEW CHAIRMAN OF THE - JOINT CHIEFS OF STAFF. - BACK IN THE OVAL OFFICE, HE - PLAYED THE ROLE OF HIS OWN - DEFENDER-IN-CHIEF, ABOUT A JULY - PHONE CALL WITH UKRAINE'S - PRESIDENT. - >> I MADE A CALL THE CALL WAS - PERFECT. - WHEN THE WHISTLEBLOWER REPORTED - IT, HE MADE IT SOUND TERRIBLE. - >> Reporter: WHILE ON TWITTER HE - HAS BEEN HIS OWN DEFENDER INS - CHIEF, STORMING OUT MORE THAN 90 - TWEETS ABOUT DEMOCRATS' - IMPEACHMENT EFFORTS SINCE - FRIDAY, MANY RE-TWEETING - THOUGHTS FROM FOX NEWS. - IN ONE TWEET SUNDAY, THE - PRESIDENT, QUOTED A FOX NEWS - CONTRIBUTOR SAYING, "IF THE - DEMOCRATS ARE SUCCESSFUL IN - REMOVING THE PRESIDENT FROM - IL WAR IT WILL CAUSE A C - LIKE FRACTURE IN THIS NATION." - THE "NEW YORK TIMES" AND OTHERS - REPORTED PRESIDENT PUSHED

- INDUSTRIAL'S PRIME MINISTER - SCOTT MORINISTERISON IN ANOTHER, - SAY THE PRESIDENT SOUGHT - INFORMATION FROM ATTORNEY - WILLIAM BARR OR ORIGINS ON THE - MUELLER PROBE. - THIS AS THE TOP SENATE - REPUBLICAN, MITCH McCONNELL, - STATED HOW HE SEES THE PROCESS - SHOULD THE HOUSE IMPEACH MISTER - TRUMP. - >> THE SENATE IMPEACHMENT LES - ARE VERY CLEAR, THE SENATE WOULD - HAVE TO TAKE UP AN IMPEACHMENT - RESOLUTION IF IT CAME OVER FROM - THE HOUSE. - >> Reporter: McCONNELL DID NOT - SAY IF IMPEACHMENT RUIRES A - FULL SENATE TRIAL. - THIS AFTER A WEEKEND OF - RHETORICAL EXCHANGES OF FIRE. - >> SALEM WITCH TRIALS HAD MORE - DUE PROCESS THAN THIS. - >> Reporter: THE PRESIDENT'S - ALLIES, LIKE SOUTH CAROLINA - SENATOR LINDSEY GRAHAM AND HIS - PERSONAL ATTORNEY RUDY GUILIANI, - REPEATEDLY ARGUED THAT DEMOCRATA - ARE RUSHING THIS PROCESS. - WHITE HOUSE SENIOR ADVISOR - STEPHEN MILLER WENT ON A - DIFFERENT ATTACK, AGAINST THE - ORIGINAL WHISTLEBLOWER WHO - RAISED CONCERNS. - >> THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED - STATES IS THE WHISTLEBLOWER. - THIS INDIVIDUAL IS SABOTEUR - TRYING TO UNDERMINE A - DEMOCRATICALLYLECTED - GOVERNMENT. - >> Reporter: THAT, THOUGH THE - IDENTITY AND MOTIVATIONS OF

- THE WHISTLEBLOWER ARE NOT KNOWN. - MULTIPLE OUTLETS REPORT THAT THE - WHISTLEBLOWER IS A C.I.A. - OFFICIAL. - OTHERWISE, THAT PERSON'S - IDENTITY AND MOTIVATIONS ARE NOT - KNOWN. - THE WHISTLEBLOWER SET OFF AN - HISTORIC - UKRAINIAN VOLODYMYR ZELENSKIY TO - INVESTIGATE HIS DEMOCRATIC RIVAL - JOE BIDEN, AND BIDEN'S SON - HUNTER. - THE YOUNGER BIDEN HUNTER HAD - SERVED BEEN ON THE BOARD ON A - UKRAINIAN GAS COMPANY. - A FORMKRAINIAN PROSECUTOR - TOLD THE "L.A. TIMES" THAT - GIULIANI REPEATEDLY ASKED HIM TO - OPEN AN INQUIRY, BUT HE REFUSED - AND TOLD GIIULIANI IT WAS A - "POLITICAL VENDETTA." - ALSO THIS WEEKEND, FOX NEWSD, - HOUSE DEMOCRATS SUBPOENAED - GIULIANI FOR DOCUMENTS RELATED - TO HIS COMMUNICATIONS WITH - UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS. - NOT ALL REPUBLICANS DEFENDED THE - PRESIDENT, HIS FORMER HOMELAND - RITYCUECSEURITY ADVISOR - CRITICIZED GIULIANI FOR PUSHING - THE BIDEN STORY. - >> THAT CONSPIRACY THEORY HAS - GOT TO GO, THEY HAVE TO STOP

- WITH THAT, IT CANNOT CONTINUE TO - BE REPEATED. - I AM DEEPLY FRUSTRATED WITH WHAT - HE AND THE LEGAL TEAM IS DOING - AND REPEATING THAT DEBUNKED - THEORY TO THE PRESIDENT. - IT STICKS IN HIS MIND WHEN HE - HEARS IT OVER AND OVER AGAIN. - >> Reporter: ALL THIS AS THE - INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE LED BY - CHAIRMAN ADAM SCHIFF RAMPS UP - ITS ACTION WITH DEPOSITIONS AND - A CLOSED HEARING THIS WEEK A - UT - THE PHONE CALL AND AID MONEY - KEPT FROM UKRAINE. - >> WE'RE GOING TO FIND OUT WHY - THOSE FUNDS WERE WITHHELD, WHO - WAS IN THE KNOW ABOUT IT, WE'RE - GOING TO FIND OUT WHAT OTHER - COMMUNICATIONS WERE ALSO - IMPROPERLY HIDDEN IN THIS - CLASSIFIED SYSTEM THAT'S MEANT - M TO CONTAIN THE MOST HIGHLY - SENSITIVE, CLASSIFIED - INFORMATION INVOLVING COVERT - ACTION, NOT THE PRESIDENS - MISCONDUCT. - >> Reporter: ON "60 MINUTES" - SUNDAY, HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY - PELOSI ASKED THE WHITE HOUSE TO - COOPERATE. - >> LET US WORK TOGETHER TO HAVE - THIS BE A IFYING EXPERIENCE, - NOT A DIVIDING ONE FOR OUR - COUNTRY. - DON'T MAKE THIS ANY WORSE THAN - IT ALREADY IS. - >> Reporter: SCHIFF SAYS HIS - COMMITTEE HAS REACHED AN - AGREEMENT WITH THE WHISTLEBLOWER - AND EXPECTS THAT PERSON WILLAT P - TESTIFY "SOON" IN A CLOSED - HEARING. - >> Woodruff: THIS EVENING BOTH - THE "WALL STREET JOURNAL" AND

- CNN ARE REPORTING THAT SECRETARY - OF STATE MIKE POMPEO WAS AMONG - THOSE LISTENING TO - PRESIDENT TRUMP'S PHONE CALL - WITH THE LEADER OF UKRAINE. - AND JUST MOMENTS AGO, THE - JUSTICE DEPARTMENT RELEASED A - STATEMENT CONFIRMING THAT - PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS CONTACTED - OTHER COUNTRIES TO HAVE THEM - CONNECT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM - BARR WITH APPROPRIATE OFFICIALS - TO INVESTIGATE THE 2016 - ELECTION. - AND LISA DESJARDINS JOINS ME - ALONG WITH YAMICHE ALCINDOR TO - HELP KEEP UP WITH THIS FAST - MOVING STORY. - THANK YOU, AND IT IS FAST - MOVING, THESE DEVELOPMENTS JUST - IN THE LAST FEW MINUTES. - LISA, I'M GOING TO START WITH - YOU, THOUGH. - YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING TO - DEMOCRATS. - WHAT S - ULD WE EXPECT THEM TO DO - IN COMING DAYS AS THEY MOVE THIS - INQUIRY FORWARD? - >> I DON'T KNOW THAT WE'VE HAD A - BUSIER DAY OR I'VE EVER PUT ON A - MORE COMPLICATED STORY AT THE - TOP OF THE NEWSCAST AS NOW. - THIS IS WHAT'S YSTALLIZING - WHAT'S HAPPENING THIS WEEK. - WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THREE MAJOR - DEPOSITIONS OR DAYS FOR THE - HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE.

- WE'RE GOING TO HAVE WEDNESDAY, - FORMER AMBASSADOR MARIO - VANOVICH, THE ASADOR OF - UKRAINE ASKED TO LEAVE AND STILL - WORKS AT THE STATE DEPARTMENT. - AFTER THAT THURSDAY, HOUSE - INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE WILL BE - HEARING FROM AMBASSADOR VOLCKER - WHO USED TO BE U.S. ENVOY TO - UKRAINE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP, HE - STEPPED DOWN LAST FRIDAY, THAT - IS THE DEADLINE FOR SECRETARY OF - STATE POMPEO TO HAND OVER - DOCUMENTS THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE - COMMITTEE IS SEEKING. - ALSO FRIDAY IS WHEN THE HOUSE - INTELLIGENCE COTEE WILL HEAR - FROM THE INSPECTOR GENERAL WHO - BASICALLY LED THE WHISTLEBLOWER - INVESTIGATION OVER THE - DEPARTMENT FOR THE D.N.I. AND - INTELLIGENCE AGENCIES. - BUT JUDY, I THINK A BIGGER DATE - MIGHT BE OCTOBER 15th, TBEIS - WHEN RUDY GIULIANI HAS BEEN - GIVEN A DEADLINE TO TURN OVER - ALL OF THE DOCUMENTS HE HAS - ABOUT HIS -- ANY OF HIS - CONVERSATIONS WITH UKRAINIANS - AND, JUDY, THAT SUBPOENA - CATEGORIZES 23IFFERENT TYPES - OF DOCUMENTS, DIFFERENT DATES, - MEETINGS THAT GIULIANI HAD WITH

- MANY UKRAINIANS, PURPORTEDLY ON - BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT, AND - EVEN THE MAYOR OF KIEV, A FAMOUS - BOXER, VATALI, HE IS IN THAT - SUBPOENA, SO IT IS A NARROW - ISSUE BUT A WIDE RANGE IN - INVESTIGATION. - >> Woodruff: SO MANY STRANDS - THEY ARE PURSUING. - YAMICHE, MEANTIME, - PRESIDENT TRUMP TODAY SEEM - RY - FOCUSED ON THE WHISTLEBLOWER, - THE PERSON WHOSE DOCUMENT WE SAW - LAST WEEK. - >> AS THIS IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY - DEEPENS, PRESIDENT TRUMP IS - FOCUSING HIS ANGER ON THIS - WHISTLEBLOWER AND SAYING HE'S - GOING TO BE LOOKING TO FIGURE - OUT WHO THIS PERSON IS.P - THAT ONE A VIOLATION OF FEDERAL - LAW, AND THE ATTORNEY FOR THE - WHISTLEBLOWER FELD COMPELLED TO - TWILIGHT ABOUT THAT TODAY AND - SAID, IF MY WHISTLEBLOWER, MY -- - MY WHISTLEBLOWER, MY CLIENT - NEEDS TO BE PROTECTED ANDNOT - RETALIATED AGAINST. - WE ALSO TALKED TO UH LA YEARS - INVOLVED IN IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS - FOR PRESIDENCLINTON AND SAID - LET'S LOOK AT WHAT THE WHITE - HOUSE IS DEALING . - NGTH RUDY GIULIANI IS BEI

- SUBPOENAED, SECRETARY OF DATE - MIKE POMPEO NOW REVEALED TO BE - ON THE CALL WITH THE UKRAINIAN - PRESIDENT, PRESIDENT TRUMP - PRESSURING THE AUSTRALIAN PRIME - MINISTER TO ESSENTIALLY BE PART - OF AN INVESTIGATION TO DISCREDIT - THE MUELLER REPOR - SO THIS LAWYER WHO WORKED FOR - PRESIDENT CLINTON, HE SAID THIS - WHITE HOUSE DOES NOT HAVE A - STRATEGY TO HANDLE THIS. - THEY MIGHT HAVE A MESSAGING, - THEY MIGHT WANT TO PUT OUT TV - ADS BUT THEY NEED A LEGAL - STRATEGY TO DEAL WITH THITEGYS D - MAKE THE CASE THESE ARE NOT - IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES AND RIGHT - NOW THE WHITE HOUSE IS NOT DOING - THAT. - >> Woodruff: YAMICHE, THE - WHITE HOUSE, THE PRESIDENT VERY - FOCUSED ON JOE BIDEN AND HIS SON - HUNTER. - HOW IS THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN - RESPONDING? - >> PRESIDENT TRUMP AND - REPUBLICANS ARE MAKING THE CASE - JOE BIDEN AND HUNTER BIDEN WERE - ENGAGED IN UNETHICAL BEHAVIOR AS - PART OF THEIR UKRAINIAN BUSINESS - DEALINGS, RATR HUNTER'S - UKRAINIAN BUSINESS DEALERS. - THE UKRAINIAN PROSECUTOR WORKING - AS A PART OF THIS SAID RUDY - GIULIANI WAS TRYING TO PRESSURE - HIM TO LOOK INTO THE BIDENS BUT - HE SAW NO WRONGDOING OBSERVE ANY

- PART OF THE BIDENS TO D - O THAT. - UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS ARE - ESSENTIALLY SAYING JOE BIDEN IS - IN THE CLEAR HERE. - JOE BIDEN IS SAYING I'M IN THE - CLEAR, ALL THESE THINGS THEY'RE - SAYING ABOUT ME ARE SIMPLY NOT - TRUE. - BUT I PUT THE QUESTION TO THE - BIDEN CAMPAIGN, HOW ARE YOU - DEALING WITH THE IDEA SOME SEE - THIS AS A CONFLT OF BUSINESS, - HUNTER BIDEN PROFITING OFF THE - FACT HIS FATHER WAS - VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED - STATES ANDTE THEY SAY IT'S - RIDICULOUS TO COMPARE THE BINDS - TO THE TRUMPS AND SAYING THIS IS - ABOUT THE PRESIDENT NOT BEING - TRANSPARENT AND JOE BIDEN IS IN - THE CLEAR HERE. - THAT'S FLORIDA THEIR ATTACK FOR - NOW. - >> Woouff: LISA, WE KNOW - YOU'VE STEPPED BACK TO PUT THIS - INTO HIS HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE. - AS THIS IMPEACHMENT PROCESS - MOVES, YOU LOOK AT PRESIDENT - CLINTON, WHAT HAPPENED UNDER HIS - PRESIDENCY, YOU SEE PRALLELS. - >> DEMOCRATS HAVE A LOT OF - CHOICE TO MAKE IN GOING FORWARD. - HERE'S WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT HOW - DEMOCRATS ARE MOVING FORWARD - NOW.

- THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE - IS GATHERING EVIDENCE AS WE SEE - NOW. - THEN AFTERTHEY'RE DONE, THEY - EL LIKE THEY HAVE THEIR CASE - TO MAKE AND WILL PRESENT IT TO - THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE - WHICH WILL VOTE ON ARTICLES OF - IMPEACHMENT, THEN THOSE ARTICLES - WOULD MOVE TO THE HOUSE OF - REPRESENTATIVES. - THAT'S A BIG PROCESS, HOW LONG - COUL TAKE AND THIS IS WHERE - THE CLINTON CASE COMES INTO - PLAY. - THE INQUIRY BEGAN OCTOBER 5, - 1997. - IN THREE MONTHS IT MOVED THROUGH - THE HOUSE AND A SENENATE TRIAL D - BEGAN, SO -9D '8 AND '99. - AT THAT POINT, WE SEE TS COULD - HAPPEN PRETTY QUICKLY, EVEN BY - THANKSGIVING. - >> Woodruff: DIDN'T FEEL QUICK - AT THE TIME, BUT -- - (LAUGHTER) - >> FEELS QUICK TODAY. - >> Woodruff: FOR SURE. - SO MUCH GOING ON. - LISA DESJARDINS, YAMICHE - ALCINDOR, THANK YOU BOTH. - >> THANKS, JUDY. - >> Woodruff: IN THE DAY'S OTHER - NEWS: THE KREMLIN DECLARED THAT

- U.S. OFFICIALS NEED RUSSIAN - CONSENT BEFORE RELEASING - TRANSCRIPTS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP'S - PHONE CALLS WITH RUSSIAN - PRESIDENT VLADIMIR PUTIN. - THE WHITE HOUSE HAS LIMITED - ACCESS TO THOSE RECORDS, AS IT - INITIALLY DID WITH A CALL TO - UKRAINE'S PRESIDENT. - CONGRESSIONAL DEMOCRATS ARE NOW - PRESSING FOR THE PUTIN - SCRIPTS. - THE TWO FRONT-RUNNERS IN - AFGHANISTAN'S PRESIDENTIAL - ELECTION CLAIMED VICTORY TODAY, - EVEN AS VOTE-COUNTING CONTINUED. - SATURDAY'S TURNOUT WAS LOW, BUT - MANY AFGHANS DEFIED TALIBAN - THREATS OF VIOLENCE TO CAST - BALLOTS. - KHEY RECEIVED THE TRAD - FINGER INK FOR VOTERS. - BY TODAY, THE COUNTRY'S CHIEF - EXECUTIVE-- ABDULLAH ABDULLAH-- - DECLARED HIMSELF THE WINNER. - SO DID INCUMBENT PRESIDENT - ASHRAF GHANI, AS HIS RUNNING - MATE COUNSELED PATIENCE.OUNS - >> ( translated ): WHATEVER THE - OUTCOME WILL BE, WE SHOULD WAIT - FOR IT AND ACCEPT THE JUDGEMENT - OF THE ELECTION COMMISSION. - LET'S NOT CONFUSE THE NATION OF - AFGHANISTAN BY MAKING CASUAL - JUDGEMENTS. - >> Woodruff: GHANI AND ABDULLAH

- HAVE GOVERNED UNDER A POWER- - SHARING DEAL NEGOTIATED BY THE - UNITED STATES AFTER THE DISPUTED - 2014 ELECTION. - IN HAITI: VIOLENT PROTESTS - ERUPTED TODAY, AS THOUSANDS - HEEDED CALLS FROM OPPOSITION - LEADERS TO PRESS PRESIDENT - JOVENEL MOISE TO RESIGN. - IT IS THE LATEST IN A SERIES OF - SOMETIMES DEADLY DEMONSTRATIONSO - THAT HAVE PARALYZED HAITI IN - RECENT DAYS. - FRUSTRATIONS OVER A SURGING - ECONOMIC CRISIS AND ALLEGATIONS - OF CORRUPTION LINKED TO MOISE - HAVE FUELED THE POLITICAL - TURMOIL. - AUTHORITIES IN HONG KONG ARE - BRACING FOR NEW PROTESTS -- AS - MAINLAND CHINA MARKS THE 70th - ANNIVERSARY OF THE COMMUNIST - STATE, ON TUESDAY. - IT FOLLOWS ANOTHER WEEKEND OF - VIOLENT DENSTRATIONS IN THE - CITY, AS PROTESTERS BATTLED - POLICE WITH FIRE BOMBS. - SOME HONG KONG LAWMAKERS DECRIED - POLICE TACTICS. - >> THE POLICE BRUTALITY, IN - FACT, IS ESCALATING AND - EXTREMELY DISTURBING AND BRUTAL - AND AT THE SAME TIME, YOU CAN - SEE THAT, UNDER A LOT OF,

- DIFFERENT SITUATIONS, THE USE OF - FORCE IS UNNECESSARY AND - DISPROPORTIONATE. - >> Woodruff: MEANWHILE, - "REUTERS" REPORTS THAT CHINA HAS - EFFECTIVELY DOUBLED ITS SECURITL - FORCES IN HONG KONG TO AS MANY - AS 12,000. - BEIJING HAD BILLED THE - DEPLOYMENT AS PART OF A ROUTINE - ROTATION OF TROOPS. - IT'S BEEN NEARLY A YEAR SINCE - THE MURDER OF SAUDI ARABIAN - JOURNALIST JAMAL KHASHOGGI-- AND - THE PRESIDENT OF TURKEY SAYS HE - STILL WANTS ANSWERS. - KHASHOGGI WAS KILLED AT THE - SAUDI CONSULATE IN ISTANBUL, - LAST OCTOBER. - IN A "WASHINGTON POST" OP-ED - TODAY, TURKEY'S RECEP TAYYIP - ERDOGAN BLAMED WHAT HE CALLED "A - SHADOW STATE" WITHIN THE SAUDI - REGIME. - MEANWHILE, SAUDI CROWN PRINCE - MOHAMMED BIN SALMAN SAID HE - TAKES FULL RESPOILITY-- BUT - HE DENIED HE ORDERED THE - KILLING. - BACK IN THIS COUNTRY: CALIFORNIA - BECAME THE FIRST STATE TO LET - COLLEGE ATHLETES HIRE AGENTS AND - MAKE MONEY FROM ENDORSEMENTS--

- STARTING IN 2023.. - GOVERNOR GAVIN NEWSOM SIGNED THE - MEASURE INTO LAW TODAY. - BUT, THE N.C.A.A., OVERSEEING - LLEGE SPORTS, HAS WARNED THE - LAW WOULD GIVE CALIFORNIA - SCHOOLS AN UNFAIR RECRUITING - ADVANTAGE. - IT SAYS THEY MAY BE BARRED FROM - COMPETITION. - REPUBLICAN CONGRESSMAN CHRIS - COLLINS OF NEW YORK RESIGNED - TODAY, AHEAD OF PLEADING GUILTY - IN AN INSIDER TRADING CASE. - FEDERAL COURT RECORDS SAID - COLLINS WILL ENTER THE PLEA - MORROW. - HE IS ACCUSED OF TIPPING - CONFIDENTIAL INFORMATION ABOUT A - BIO-PHARMACEUTICAL COMPANY TO - HIS SON AND THEN LYING TO THE - F.B.I. - TEXAS CONGRESSMAN MAC THORNBERRY - IS NOW T 19th HOUSE REPUBLICAN - TO ANNOUNCE HE IS LEAVING - OFFICE. - HE SAID TODAY HE WILL NOT SEEK - REELECTION IN 2020. - THORNBERRY WAS FIRST ELECTED IN - 1994. - HE IS THE RANKING MEMBER ON THE - HOUSE ARMED SERVICES COMMITTEE.C - ON WALL STREET, STOCKS CLOSED - THE DOW JONES INDUSTRIAL AVERAGE - GAINED 96 POINTS TO CLOSE ABOVE

- 26,916. - THE NASDAQ ROSE MORE THAN 59 - POINTS. - AND THE S&P 500 ADDED 15. - OPERA GREAT JESSEY NORMAN DIED - TODAY IN NEW YORK AFTER - COMPLICATIONS FROM A SPINAL - INJURE. - SHE MADE HER INTERNATIONAL DEBUT - IN 1969, AND HER VIBRANT SO - BRANO MADE HER A WORLDWIDE STAR - AND A WINNER OF FOUR GRAMMYS. - HERE SHE IS IN CONCERT SINGING - THE SPIRITUAL "GRSPEAT DAY." - (SINGING) - ♪ ♪ - ♪ ♪ - >> Reporter: JES JESSEY NORMAN S - 74 YEARS OLD. - STILL TO COME ON THE "NEWSHOUR," - PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE CORY - BOOKER ON HIS SELF-IMPOSED

- FUNDRAISING DEADLINE; OUR - POLITICS MONDAY TEAM BREAKS DOWN - THE LATEST ON THE IMPEACHMENT - INQUIRY; CHINA'S RAPID - TECHNOLOGY BOOM RAISES QUESTIONS - OF A SURVEILLANCE STATE; AND OUR - LATEST NEWSHOUR BO CLUB AUTHOR - SALLY ROONEY ANSWERS YOUR - QUESTIONS. - >> Woodruff: DEMOCRATIC - PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES SPENT - THIS WEEKEND CRISSCROSSING EARLY - PRIMARY STATES. - AND AS YAMICHE ALCINDOR REPORTS, - FROM NEVADA TO SOUTH CAROLINA TN - NEW HAMPSHIRE, THERE WAS ONE - MAJOR TOPIC ON THEIR MINDS - >> WE HAVE A CONSTITUTIONAL - OBLIGATION TO MOVE FORWARD WITH - THIS IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION. - >> I WORRY THAT THIS ELECTION IS - BEING OVERSHADOWED BY ALL THAT'S - GOING ON. - IT'S BEING OVERSHADOWED BY - IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. - >> THIS PRESIDENCY HAS GOT TO - COME TO AN END FOR THE GOOD OF - THE REPUBLIC. - I THINK WE CAN ALL AGREE ON - THAT. - ( CHEERS AND APPLAUSE ) - >> Reporter: IT WAS THE FIRSTr:I - WEEKEND OF CAMPAIGNING SINCE

- HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI - ANNOUNCED A FORMAL AN - IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY INTO - PRESIDENT TRUMP. - ALL 19 DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES - SUPPORT THAT INQUIRY. - THE LAST HOLDOUT, HAWAII - CONGRESSWOMAN TULSI GABBARD, - CHANGED HER MIND ON FRID - SOME SAID THE DETAILS IN THE - WHISTLEBLOWER COMPLAINT ARE THE - CLEAREST IMPEACHABLE OFFENSES - YET. - MASSACHUSETTS SENATOR ELIZABETH - WARREN. - >> THIS PRESIDENT HAS SHOWN TIME - THIS LATEST BUSINESS WITH - UKRAINE WHERE IT APPEARS THAT HN - IS WILLING TO TAKE TAXPAYER - DOLLARS AND DANGLE THEM IN FRONT - OF A FOR COUNT IN ORDER TO - HELP HIMSELF AND HIS OWN - POLITICAL CHANCES OF BEING - REELECTED. - IT'S WRONG. - IT'S A VIOLATION OF THE LAW. - >> Reporter: PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS - TRIED TO TURN ATTENTION TO - FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN - AND HIS SON HUNTER'S BUSINESS - DEALINGS WITH UKRAINE. - WARREN SAID SHE WOULD CONSIDER A - BAN ON PRESIDENTIAL CHILDREN - SERVING ON BOARDS OF FOREIGN - COMPANIES. - SHE ADDED THAT THE FOCUS SHOULD - BE ON TRUMP'S ACTIONS. - CALIFORNIA SENATOR KAMALA - HARRIS, CAME TO BIDEN'S DEFENSE.

- >> AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED LEAVE - JOE BIDEN, JUST LEAVE HIM ALONE. - I'M NOT GOING TO BE DISTRACTED - BY WHAT THIS PRESIDENT IS TRYING - TO PLAY, WHICH IS A GAME BECAUSE - HE KNOWS THAT HE IS ACTUALLY - PROBABLY LOOKING AT AN - INDICTMENT. - >> Reporter: IF THE HOUSE DOES - IMPEACH PRESIDENTRUMP, SIX - DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES WILL HAVE - A VOTE IN THE SENATE ON WHETHER - TO REMOVE HIM FROM OFFICE. - VERMONT SENATOR BERNIE SANDERS - URGED MAJORITY LEADER MITCH - McCONNELL NOT TO HOLD UP A VOTE. - CURRENTLY THOUGH, THERE ARE NOT - THE 67 VOTES REQUIRED TO CONVICT - THE PRESIDENT. - >> I ASK MITCH McCONNELL TO DO - THE RIGHT THING AND MAKE SURE - THE SENATE BEGINS THAT TRIAL - IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE - IMPEACHMENT PROCESS IS OVER. - >> Reporter: McCONNELL SAID - TODAY THE SENATE WOULD HAVE "NO - CHOICE" BUT TO TAKE UP - IMPEACHMENT. - MEANWHILE, WITH JUST HOURS UNTIL - THE END OF THE QUARTERLY - FUNDRAISING DEADLINE, CAMPAIGNS - SENT A FLOOD OF EMAILS TO - SUPPORTERS SOLICITING - CONTRIBUTIONS. - THOSE EFFORTS COME AS THE - DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE - CONTINUES TO RAISE THE BAR FOR

- CANDIDATES TO MAKE IT ONTO THE - DEBATE STAGE. - FOR THE PBS NEWSHOUR, I'MFO - YAMICHE ALCINDOR. - >> Woodruff: ONE CANDIDATE WHO - RAISED HIS OWN BAR, SAYING - PUBLICLY IF HE DID NOT MAKE - FUNDRAISING GOALS HE WOULD DROP - OUT, NEW JERSEY SENATOR COREY - BOOKER. - HE MET HIS GOAL AND JOINS ME - NOL - SENATOR BOOKER, WELCOME TO THE - "NewsHour". - SO YOU DID RAISE THE 1.7 MILLION - YOU SAID YOU NEEDED TO STAY IN - THE RACE. - HOW FAR WILL THIS TAKE YOU? - >> WELL, IT'S GOING TO GIVE US - WHAT WE NEED TO START GROWING IN - THE FOURTH QUARTER. - WE'RE ALREADY LEADING IN IOWA - AND NEW HAMPSHIRE AND - ENDORSEMENTS FROM LOCAL ELECTED - OFFICIALS AND HAVE AIVE TEAM BUT - WE HAVE TO KEEP BUILDING. - WE HAVE TO GET THROUGH THE NEXT - DEBATE BUT WE HAVE TO KEEP THE - PACE GOING. - I HOPE PEOPLE WILL CONTINUE TO - GO TO CORY BOOKER.com. - WE HAVE THOUSANDS OF SUPPORTERS - IN THE LAST TEN DAYS AND IT - NEEDS TO CONTINUE IF WE STAY IN - THE RACE.

- >> Woodruff: SOMEONE SAYS THE - DEMOCRATIC RULES FOR WHO CAN BON - THE STAGE IN TERMS OF HOW MANY - PEOPLE YOU HAVE TO HAVE DONATING - TO YOUR CAMPAIGN AND WHO YOU - NEED IN THE POLLS, SOME SAY - THOSE RULES ARE TOO MANY FOR TOM - FAR AWAY FOR THE ELECTION. - WHAT DO YOU THINK? - >> I DON'T ARGUE WITH THE REFS, - BUT WE HAVE A REAL ISSUE HERE - THAT WE'VE NEVER EVER HAD A - PRESIDENT COME FROM OUR PARTP - SINCE I HAVE BEEN ALIVE THAT WAS - LEADING IN THE POLLS THIS FAR - OUT. - PEOPLE LIKE JIMMY CARTER AND - BLINTSEN WERE NOT REALLY - REGISTERING THAT MUCH AT ALL. - REMEMBER, THIS FAR OUT, WE'VE - SEEN EVERYBODY FROM GIULIANI - LEADING TO RICK PERRICRY IN THE - REPUBLICAN PARTY. - WE'RE STILL FOUR MONTHS OWL. - SO I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE THAT - MIGHT HAVE SOME ISSUES WITH THE - POLLING THRESHOLDS THAT ARE - BEING SET, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT - DOESN'T NECESSARILY REFLECT - WHAT'S ACTUALLY GOING ON ON THE - GROUND. - >> Woodruff: LET ME TURN YOU - TO WHAT'S GOING ON IN THE

- CONGRESS RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS - THE IMPEACHMENT INQUIRY INTO - PRESIDENT TRUMP. - DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES FOR - PRESIDENT YOU INCLUDED SEEM TO - BE ALL IN ON THIS, BUT WHAT - ABOUT THE POINT OF VIEW OUT - THERE THAT'S SOMETHING THAT - THE VOTERS SHOULD BE DECIDING - AND NOT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS. - >> I SWORE AN OATH TO UPH HOLD - THE CONSTITUTION AND CONGRESS - HAS ACCOUNTABILITY TO THE - CONSTITUTION. - IF THE PRESIDENT VIOLATES THE - CONSTITUTION, THERE HAS TO BE - CONSEQUENCE. - THIS IS UT DOING OUR JOB. - IT'S NOT ABOUT POLITICS. - REALLY, IT'S ABOUT PATRIOTISM. - I THINK THAT THE LONG ARC OF - HISTORY IS GOING TO LOOK BACK ON - THIS MOMENT AND SAY WHEN YOU SAW - A PRESIDENT LITERALLY USING HIS - OFFICE TO PURSUE HIS OWNSU - PERSONAL ENDS CONTRARY TO - NATIONAL SECURITY INTERESTS, - THAT'S A PRETTY SERIOUS - VIOLATION. - WE NEED TO INVESTIGATE THIS, AND - THAT'S WHY IMPEACHMENT - PROCEEDINGS MEAN THAT WE'RE - GOING TO GET TO THE TRUTH AND

- THE PUBLIC DESERVES T TO KNOW TE - TRUTH, AND THE MORE THAT'S - COMING OUT. - WE'VE SEEN BREAKING NEWS TODAY, - IT'S MORE AND MORE CONCERNING. - >> Woodruff: ARE YOU WORRIED - ABOUT ALL SOME ARE POINTING OUT - THIS COULD END UP HELPING THE - PRESIDENT, GALVANIZING HIS BASE, - MOTIVATING THEM DONATING TO HIS - CAMPAIGN? - IN OTHER WORDS, SEE WHAT - HAPPENED TO BILL CLINTON WHEN - THE REPUBLICANS WENT AFTER HIM - WHEN HE WAS PRESIDENT. - >> YOU KNOW, PRESIDENT BILL - CLINTON, THE IMPEACHMENT - PROCEEDINGS SURROUNDING HIS - ACTIVITIES IN THE WHITE HOUSE - OVAL OFFICE AS OPPOSED TO THIS - PRESIDENT, WHAT WE'RE TALKING - ABOUT HERE, I HAVE BEEN TO - UKRAINE, I'VE SEEN THE CRISIS - THERE, I'VE MET WITH UKRAINIAN - SOLDIERS WHO HAVE LOST THEIR - FELLOW SOLDIERS, THIS IS A VERY - SERIOUS BETRAYAL THAT IS BEING - ACCUSED HERE AND, AGAIN, - POLITICS BE DAMNED, I JUST WANT - TO GET TO THE TRUTH, I WANT TO - DO MY JOB, AND I THINK THE TIME - IS RIGHT TO DO WHA - T IS RIGHT IN - THIS SE, AND IT'S RIGHT TO - INVESTIGATE THIS PRESIDENT, T - JUST TO WIPE YOUR HANDS AND SAY, - WELL, WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS IN - THE NEXT ELECTION.

- THIS IS TOO SERIOUS, TOO GRAVE. - >> Woodruff: IT'S A - HYPOTHETICAL NOW BUT IF - PRESIDENT TRUMP WERE IMPEACHED, - IF HE CONSIDER CONVICTED FROM - SENATE AND IMPEACHED FROM OFFICE - WOULD THE DEMOCRATS HAVE A MORE - DIFFICULT TIME RUNNING AGAINST - VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WHO WOULD - THEN BE PRESIDENT? - >> HI CAPTION DEMOCRATS AS WELL - AS REPUBLICANS TO NOT LET THE - ELECTIONS 13 MONTHS FROM NOW - ENTER INTO YOUR CALCULATIONS. - THIS IS A PROCS THAT NEEDS TO - BE DONE IN A SOBER WAY. - IT IS A SAD THING TO HAVE A - PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES - HAVE IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS - BEGIN. - WE NEED TO DEAL WITH THIS IN A - SOBER, OBJECTIVE, NONPARTISAN - WAY. - I PLEAD TO FOLKS TO APPROACH IT - THAT WAY. - LET THE POLITICS AND THE - CAMPAIGNING AND -- LOOK, I'M OUT - THERE ON THE STUMP I'VE WRITE - DAY TALKING ABOUT TAKING THE - FIGHT TO DONALD TRUMP, BUT THAT - DOES NOT MEAN THE SACRED - OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE RIGHT - NOW TO FOLLOW THIS IMPEACHMENT - PROCEEDING WHERE THE EVIDENCE - DECISION BASED UPON THAT.TIVE - THESE ARE TWO SEPARATE MATTERS,

- THEY SHOULD BE HANDLED THAT WAY. - >> Woodruff: ONE OTHER PART OF - THIS UKRAINE STORY, SENATOR, - SENH THE WHITE HOUSE FOCUS - OPENED IS JOE BIDEN. - DID HE DO ANYTHING WRONG? - >> NO. - AGAIN, TO MAKE THIS ABOUT JOE - BIDEN IS ABSOLUTELY WRONG. - IT'S UNFORTUNATE, HE IS A - STESMAN, HE IS SOMEBODY THAT - MANY PEOPLE HAVE INVESTIGATED - THIS AND COME UP WITH NOTHING. - THIS IS AN ATTEMPT UPON THE - TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO DISTRACT - FROM THEIR MASSIVE EXPOSURE FROM - THE TREMENDOUS IMPLICATIONS AND - TO DISTRACT BY TRYING TO - BESMIRCH THE REPUTATION OF JOE - BIDEN. - >> Woodruff: AND FINALLY, - SENATOR ELIZABETH WARREN, SHE IS - THE DEMOCRAT WHO IS MOVING UP - SIGNIFICANTLY THE POLLS, - DRAWING BIG CROWDS. - WHAT ARE YOU MAIN DISAGREEMENTS - WITH HER? - >> WELL, AGAIN, I JUST WANT TO - REMIND EVERYBODY ABOUT THE - POLLS, NEVER HAVE THEY BEEN - PREDICTIVE OF WHO WOULD BE THE - NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED - STATES. - I AM RUNNING MY CAMCAIGN EVERY - SING DAILY ABOUT THE HIGHEST

- IDEALS OF OUR COUNTRY, BUT THIS - TIME ESPECIALLY WE NEED A - REVIVAL OF CIVIC GRACE, WE NEED - TO HAVE A NATION THAT CAN PULL - TOGETHER AND HEAL, NOT JUST OUR - RTY. - I WARN DEMOCRATS ALL THE TIME, - THIS ELECTION CAN'T BE ABOUT - WHAT WE'RE AGAINST, IT HAS TO BE - WHAT WE'RE FOR. - WHAT WE'RE FOR IS NOT THE SHORT - END OF BEATING REPUBLICANS, THIS - MOMENT CALLS US TO UNIT - AMERICS. - THIS IS THE THEME I'M BRINGING. - IF WE'RE GOING TO BRING MORE - JUSTICE TO THE COUNTRY AND DEAL - WISH SHOES, WE NEED TO BUILD NEW - AMERICAN MAJORITIES THAT CAN - TAKE OPEN TOUGH PROBLEMS FROM - CLIMATE CHANGE ALL THE WAY TO - TURGENT IS - SUES WITH GUN - VIOLENCE. - >> Woodruff: SO THIS IS - UNFAIR, BUT IN JUST THE FEW - SECONDS THAT WE HAVE, WHAT WOULD - YOU SAY IS THE MAIN THING THAT - SEPARATES YOU FROM ELIZABETH - WARREN? - >> AGAIN, I'M NOT IN THIS TO - TALK ABOUT R CAMPAIGN, AND I - THINK PEOPLE WHO READ OUR - POLICIES CAN FIND THAT. - I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SPIRIT I'M - TRYING TO BRING TO THE - PRESIDENCY, ONE THAT CAN UNIT - OUR PARTY, ALL FACTIONS OF IT,

- AND ALSO CAN UNITE THIS COUNTRY. - THAT'S WHY I GOT INTO THIS RACE - AND THAT'S THE THEME OF MY - CAMPAIGN, AND FOLKS CAN LOOK TO - HEARSE AND COMPARE US ON HER - OWN, BUT I WILL BE WORKING EVERY - DAY TO LET PEOPLE KNOW MY VISION - OF THIS COUNTRY, NOT JUST MY - HEAD BUT MY HEART AND THE KIND - OF PRESIDENT I WILL BE AS LEDER - OF THE UNITED STATES. - >> Woodruff: SENATOR CORY - BOOKER, RUNNING FOR THE - DEMOCRATIC - >> Woodruff: AND NOW WE TURN TO - YOU, SENATOR. - >> THANK YOU VERY MUCH. - >> Woodruff: AND NOW WE - POLITI MONDAY WITH AMY WALTER - OF THE COOK POLITICAL REPORT AND - HOST OF PUBLIC RADIO'S "POLITICS - WITH AMY WALTER." - AND TAMARA KEITH FROM NPR. SHE - ALSO CO-HOSTS THE "NPR POLITICS - PODCAST." - HELLO TO BOTH OF YOU. - THERE'S SO MUCH GOING ON. - I DO NOT KNOW KNOW WHERE TO - BEGIN, BUT WHY DON'T WE START, - TAM, WITH SENATOR BOOKER AND - WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT - IMPEACHMENT, HIS OWN CAMPAIGN. - WHAT DID YOU HEAR? - >> WELL, I HEARD HIM NOT TAKING - AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO GO - AFTER JOE BIDEN AND NOT TAKING - AN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO GO

- AFTER ELIZABETH WARREN. - HE IS REALLY TAKING THE POSITION - IN THIS RACE AS HE IS TRYING TO - STN IT AND WORK HIS WAY UP, - HE IS TAKING A POSITION OF NOT - ATTACKING OTHER DEMOCRATS. - SOME OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES - HAVE TAKEN A DIFFERENT TACK, BUT - WHEN IT COMESOUT UKRAINE - CONVERSATION AND JOE BIDEN, THE - DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATES HAVE - REALLY HUNG BACK. - IN SOME WAYS, IT'S PUT THE - PRIMARY IN STASIS. - YOU KNOW, THEY ARE BEING CAREFUL - TO NOT GO AFTER JOE BIDEN, INID - PART BECAUSE HE IS IN THE MIDDLE - OF THIS STORM THAT - PRESIDENT TRUMP CREATED. - >> Woodruff: WHAT ARE YOU - HEARING, AMY? - >> YEAH, AND I THINK IT'S FOR A - CANDIDATE LIKE CORY BOOKER WHO - IS STRUGGLING TO CATCH UP INTO - THE TOP TIER OF CANDIDATES, ALL - THE FOCUS ON IMPEACHMENT SUCKED - ALL THE OXYGEN AND ATTENTION - AWAY. - IT WAS HARD ENOUGH TO BREAK - THROUGH EVEN BEFORE THIS STORY, - NOW IT'S NANCY PELOSI, DONALD - TRUMP, DONALD TRUMP'S - ADMINISTRATION THAT ARE GOING TO - BE THE SENATOR OF THE UNIVERSE,

- IT'S NOT GOING TO BE AS MUCH AS - EVEN ON ELIZABETH WARREN, SO IF - YOU ARE ELIZABETH WARREN AND - GETTING A GREAT DEAL OF - ATTENTION UP TO NOW, YOU ALSO - WILL HAVE TROUBLE BREAKING - THROUGH ALL OF THIS. - I DID THINK I IT WAS INTERESTING - TO YOUR POINT TO GET HIM TO TRY - TO CONTRAST HIMSELF. - THERE'S ONE CANDIDATE IN THE - LOWER TIER WHO IS ACTIVELY - TRYING TO CONTRAST HIMSELF AND - THAT'S MAYOR PETE BUTTIGIEG, WHO - IS BASICALLY SAYING I AM THE - BRIDGE BETWEEN THE OLD, WHICH IS - JOE BIDEN, AND THE OLD WAY OF - DOING THINGS AND WHAT HE WOULD - SAY WOULD BE THE TOO FAR LEFT - CANDIDATES LIKE WARREN AND - SANDERS, I CAN BE THAT MIDDLE - CANDIDATE, THAT PERSON WHO'S - YOUNG ENOUGH, DIFFERENT ENOUGH - BUT NOT TOO FAR TO THE LEFT. - >> Woodruff: CATEGORIZING HER - ON THE LEFT. - >> RIGHT. - >> Woodruff: LET'S TURN TO THE - ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM, TAM, AND - THAT IS IMPEACHMENT. - THE DEMOCRATS ARE GOING WITH THE - SUBPOENAS OF RUDY GIUANI, NEWS - STORIES BREAKING FROM ONEG NEWS

- ORGANIZATION TO THE OTHER. - DOES IT SEEM LIKE A RUSH ON THE - PART OF THE DEMOCRATS, OR DOES - IT SEEM LIKE THEY HAVE THEIR - DUCKS IN A ROW AND THEY'RE - PROCEEDING CAREFULLY? - >> WHAT IS COMPLETELY REMARKABLE - IS I REFLECT BACK ON ONE WEEK - AGO TODAY WE WERE SITTING ON - THIS SET TALKING ABOUT, YOU - KNOW, THERE'S ONE DEMOCRAT WHO - HAS CROSSED OVER AFTER THIS NEWS - CAME OUT. - WITHIN FIVE OR SIX HOURS, THE - WHOLE UNIVERSE HAD CHANGED. - THIS IS HAPPENING INCPENIREDIBLY - QUICKLY. - IT'S A CHALLENGE FOR - PRESIDENT TRUMP WHO -- I MEAN - THE PRESIDENT AND THE WHITE - HOUSE HAVE REALLY BEEN CAUGHT - FLAT-FOOTED BY THIS IN PART - BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THAT THE - MUELLER THING WAS OVER AND THEYV - WERE DONE AND THEY WERE FOCUSED - ON REELECTION AND ALL OF A SUND - THIS BLOOMS UP. - NANCY PELOSI, THE SPEAKER, HAD - BEEN HOLDING BACK DEMOCRATS, - TRYING NOT TO DO THIS, AND THEN - THE MODERATE DEMRATS SHE WAS - TRYING TO PROTECT JUMPED OUT IN - FRONT OF HER AND SAID STOP - PROTECTING US, WE'RE READY, WE - FEEL LIKE THIS NEEDS TO BE - INVESTIGATED, AND NOW THEY'RE ON - THE PATH AND NOW IT'S GOING.

- >> Woodruff: IT'S GOING. - IT IS GOING. - >> Woodruff: AMY -- I MEAN, IS - THERE ANY BREAK ON THIS NOW? - IS IT FULL-THROATED AHEAD? - >> TO ME THAT'S THE REAL - INTERESTING QUESTION. - DOWN THESE TRACKS, THERE IS NO - GOING BACK. - THERE WILL BE AN IMPEACHMENT - VOTE, NO MATTER WHAT, AND IT - THEN WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE - SENATE, WHETHER THE PRESIDENT IS - CONVICTED AND ULTIMATELY HAS TO - LEAVE OFFICE. - AND I THINK THE FACT WE'RE ON A - TWO-WEEK RECESS IS REALLY - IMPORTANT. - THESE MEMBERS NOW GET A CHANCE - TO CHECK IN BACK HOME AT THE - RECEPTION THAT THEY'RE GETTING. - WE'RE SEEING A LOT OF POLLS - COMING OUT IN THE LAST FEW DAYS. - THERE WAS ABSOLUTELY ONE IN - NEWSPAPER MARIST PBS POLL, - THEY'RE SHOWING, BASICALLY, - FOLKS, WHILE ENGAGED IN THIS, - THEY DON'T QUITE KNOW WHAT TO - MAKE OF IT EITHER. - I THINK WE HAVE THE MOST - POLARIZED ELECTORATE THAT I - CERTAINLY REMEMBER OF MY - LIFETIME, WE HAVE A VERY - POLARIZING PRESIDENT, SO, NOT - SURPRISINGLY, I THINK WE'LL SEE - PEOPLE GOING TO THEIR CORNERS,

- WE GET EVENLY DIVIDED ABOUT - THIS. - THE CHALLENGE TO THE POINT YOU - L ARE MAKING ABOUT NANCY - PELOSI AND THE CALENDAR, I THINK - THAT THE MORE THIS DRAGS OUT, - THE MORE IT LOOKS PARTISAN, THE - MORE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE THEY'RE - JUST FISHING, FOR EXAMPLE THIS - AUSTRALIAN STORY SORT OF MUDDIES - THE WATER A BIT IN MY MIND - BECAUSE IT'S NO LONGER ABOUT - UKRAINE AND THIS CALL, IT DRAGS - OUT AND OUT, AND IT'S GETTING - HARDER TO KEEP PEOPLE FOCUSED ON - WHAT IT WAS EXACTLY THAT - DECRATS SAID WY TH THE - IMPEACHABLE OFFENSE. - >> AND THERE'S SO MUCH FATIGUE, - THERE WAS SO MUCH FATIGUE ABOUT - THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION AND - NOW THE VOTERS ARE GOING TO GET - TIRED OF THIS QUICKLY, NOT LEANT - BECAUSE, IF THIS CONTINUES ON - THE PATH THAT IT'S ON, THERE'S - GOING TO BE AN AIR WAR. - THERE ARE GOING TO BE ADS IN - CONGRESSIONAL DISTRICTS OF - VULNERABLE DEMOCRATS, ADS ON - CABLE, THIS IS GOING TO BE - FOUGHT OUT BOTH IN PAID MEDIA - AND FREED MEDIA AND IT'S GOING

- TO BE A LOT. - >> Woodruff: SO YOU'RE SAYING - EVEN IF THE DEMOCRATS MOVE - QUICKLY WITH WHATEVERTEVER - AMMUNITION, INFORMATION THEY - HAVE, YOU'RE SAYING THERE'S A - REAL RISK IF THEY CAN'T GET - VOTERS ENGAGED AND ON BOARD. - >> CERTAINLY, AND BECAUSE THIS - MOVED, YOU KNOW, THE COURSE - OF A WEEK SO DRAMATICALLY, I - THINK IT'S HARD FOR THESE POLLS - TO FULLY PICK UP. - IT'S HARD FOR PEOPLE TO REGISTER - THIS JUST YET BECAUSE IT JUST - HAPPENED SO QUICKLY, IF YOU MISS - A COUPLE OF DAYS, YOU'VE MISSED - NUMEROUS DEVELOPMENTS. - >> Woodruff: AND AMONG - REPUBLICANS, IT LOOKS LIKE THE - NUMBER BARELY MOVED, IT MOVED - SLIGHTLY BUT WITHIN -- - >> BUT WITHIN DEMOCRATS, THEY'RE - NOR UNIFIED AND THEN, SURPRISE, - SURPRISE, INDEPENDENTS WILL SUBE - DIVIDED BY IT. - >> Woodruff: QUICKLY, ISSUES - THAT GET FORGOTNAN ALL OF THIS, - WHETHER GUNS OR ANYTHING ELSE - THE DEMOCRATS HAVE BEEN TALKING - ABOUT -- - >> IT'S NOT EXACTLY LIKE - CONGRESS AND THE WHITE HOUSE - HAVE BEEN ON AN REAK-NECK BASE - PACE IN PASSING SIGNIFICANT

- LEGISLATION, SO I DON'T KNOW - VOTERS WERE GOING TO SAY, BOY, - THEY WERE JUST ON THE CUSP OF - DOING SOMETHING. - THEY HAVEN'T BEEN ON THE CUSP OF - DOING ANYTHING SIFT FOR THE LAST - TWO AND A HALF YEARS, BUT - IF - THIS DRAGS OUT, IT CERTAINLY - LENDS TO THE ARGUMENT THAT THIS - IS JUST PARTISAN POLITICS, - WASHINGTON BECOMES MORE - DYSFUNCTIONAL AND IT'S HARDER - FOR DEMOCRATS TO MAKE A STRONG - CASE. - >> Woodruff: THE WARNINGS HAVE - VERY BEGUN. - AMY WALTER, TAMERA KEITH, - "POLITICS MONDAY," THANK YOU - BOTH. - >> YOU'RE WELCOME. - >> Woodruff: CHINESE TECHNOLOGY - HAS HELPED THE COUNTRY ACHIEVE - EXTRAORDINARY GROWTH. - BUT CRITICS SAY IT IS - FACILITATING A SURVEILLANCE - STATE. - TONIGHT WE BEGIN TWO STORIES - FOCUSING ON CHINESE TECHNOLOGY, - PART OF OUR SERI, CHINA: POWER - AND PROSPERITY. - WITH THE SUPPORT OF THE PULITZER - CENTER, NICK SCHIFRIN BEGINS IN - A REMOTE AREA THAT IS BECOMING - MORE CONNECTED. - >> Reporter: IN CHINA'S LIPU

- MOUNTAINS, PT ROLLING HILLSIDE - FARMS, THE REMOTE CITY OF GUILIN - IS NESTLED INTO A VALLEY AND - BUILT ALONG A RIVERBANK THAT'S - BEEN INHABITED FOR 10,000 YEARS. - TODAY, THIS OLD TOWN IS GETTING - OLDER. - THE POPULATION IS OLDER, AND - OFTEN NEEDS MEDICAL CARE. - BUT THE CLOSEST HOSPITAL IS FAR. - SO ON THIS DAY, THEY LINE UP FOR - A MOBILE CLINIC-- ON A BUS. - VISITING SPECIALISTS HAVE A - SMALL ROOM IN THE BACK FOR X- - RAYS, AND A NEARBY ROOM FOR EYE - SPECIALISTS TO CHECK FOR - CATARACTS. - IN THIS CLINIC, EVERYTHING IS - ELECTRONIC. - AND ALL THE PATIENT RECORDS AND - DATA FEED INTO A SINGLE PHONE - APPLICATION. - IT'S MADE BY THE COMPANY PING - AN, AND THE APP IS CALLED "GOOD - DOCTOR." - LOCAL DOCTOR LUO JIANGSHAN SAYS - THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES - EVERYTHING. - >> ( translated ): BEFORE WE HAD - THIS PLATFORM, PATIENTS HAD TO - GO SO FAR AWAY. - IT WAS A BIG BURDEN. - NOW, WITH THIS PLATFORM, IT - SAVES BOTH MONEY AND TIME. - >> Reporter: FOR DECADES, A

- COUNTRY THAT SUFFERED FROM - WIDESPREAD, RURAL POVERTY, - RELIED ON SO-CALLED BAREFOOT - DOCTORS TO PROVIDE REMOTE AREASO - MEDICAL CARE. - TECHNOLOGY--FROM MEDICINE, TO - TELECOMMUNICATIONS, TO - ARTIFICIAL INTELLIGENCE--IS - HELPING TRANSFORM THE COUNTRY. - >> ( translated ): CHINA IS - EN AE UNIQUE BECAUSE IT'S - RAPIDLY DEVELOPING COUNTRY. - SO WE HAVE VERY, VERY UNEVEN - DISTRIBUTION. - TECHNOLOGY HELPS TO BRIDGE THOSE - GAPS AND DELIVER SERVICE, - PARTICULARLY IN AN ENVIRONMENT - LIKE THIS. - >> Reporter: JESSICA TAN IS THE - CO-C.E.O. OF PING AN, WHOSE - BUILDING TOWERS OVER SHENZHE - CHINA'S SILICON VALLEY. - ( GONG ) - PING AN BOOMED FINANCIALLY INTO - THE WORLD'S SECOND LARGEST - INSURANCE COMPANY. - BUT NOW IT'S CELEBRATING BY - TURNING OLD INSURANCE, INTO NEW - TECH. - LAST MONTH, PING AN UNVEILED NEW - FACIAL RECOGNITION SOFTWARE-- - FOR DRIVERS. - THOSE MARKINGS JUDGE WHETHER - SHE'S A GOOD DRIVER AND FEEDS - ALL HER DATA INTO PINGAN'S - BASE. - A SEPARATE APPLICATION USES

- FACIAL RECOGNITION TO DETERMINE - WHETHER PING AN LOAN APPLICANTS - ARE LYING ABOUT THEIR IDENTITY. - THE SYSTEM IDENTIFIES ABNORMAL - EMOTIONS OF APPLICANTS BY - EXAMINAPPLMORE THAN 90 DISTINCT - EXPRESSIONS. - >> SOMETIMES WHEN YOU ARE - NERVOUS THERE ARE THESE MICRO- - EXPRESSIONS THAT PEOPLE WOULD - DO. - VERIFYING THE PERSON WHO THEY - ARE SUPPOSED TO BE IS QUITE - ACCURATE. - I THINK IT'S NOW ALREADY BETTER - THAN THE HUMAN EYE. - >> Reporter: AND THOSE HUMAN - EYES-- CHINA'S 1.4 BILLION - CITIZENS-- ARE NOW ENTERING MORE - AND MORE DATA ON THEIR PHONES. - AND IN CHINA, IT'S BIG DATA. - PING AN'S HEALTHCARE APP HAS 250 - MILLION USERS. - PING AN'S CAR ACCIDENT APP THAT - CAN AUTOMATICALLY ASSESS AND - COST DAMAGE, HAS 200 MILLION - USERS. - AND CHINA HAS DEVELOPED SO - RECENTLY, THE MAJORITY ALL OF - THOSTY AERS HAVE NEVER OWNED - CARS, OR BORROWED MONEY, OR - TO OOSE LOAN APPLICANTS, - PING AN'S DEVELOPED A SOCIAL - CREDIT SCORE, BASED ON ALL THE - DATA USERS ENTER INTO THEIR - PHONES. - E HAVING THE EXPERTISE TO

- CHANGE THAT SERIES OF RAW - INFORMATION TO ACTUALLY A CREDIT - REPORT, A SCORE THE PEOPLE - TRUST, RIGHT? - SO WE'RE ABLE TO DO AT BASED - ON YOUR MOBILE PHONE BILLS. - YOUR SHOPPING RECORDS. - DO YOU SPLURGE ON YOUR SPENDING? - IF YOU HAVE A GOOD CREDIT RECORD - YOU GET THE LOANS FASTER AT A - CHEAPER RATE. - SO I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT, - THERE'S INCENTIVE FOR PEOPLE WHO - HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE TO WANT TO - SHARE THE INFORMATION. - >> Reporter: BUT IN COMMUNIST - CHINA, WHO DECIDES WHO HAS - NOTHING TO HIDE? - LIKE PING AN, THE GOVERNMENT IS - NOW CONVERTING DATA ON ITS - CITIZENS INTO A SOCIAL CREDIT - SCORES. - ND'S CALLED "SHARP EYES," - THOSE EYES ARE ELECTRONIC THANKS - TO THE WORLD'S MOST ADVANCED - SURVEILLANCE. - THE FIVE MOST SURVEILLED CITIES - IN THE WORLD ARE CHINESE. - CHINA NOW HAS MORE THAN 200 - MILLION CAMERAS-- INCLUDING AT - THE ENTRANCE OF AN INTERNATION - CONFERENCE. - AND CAMERAS USE SOFTWARE THAT - RECOGNIZE NOT ONLY FACES, BUT - ALSO HOW PEOPLE WALK, REUTERS - AND CAN THEN TRACK THEIR - LOCATION AS THEY MOVE.

- THAT ALLOWS CAMERAS TO JUDGES CA - BEHAVIOR. - IN SHENZHEN, CAMERAS WATCH THIS - INTERSECTION. - IF PEOPLE JAYWALK, THEY'RE - PUBLICLY SHAMED WHEN THEIR FACES - ARE DISPLAYED ON THIS SCREEN. - DO YOU THINK THAT BECAUSE THAT - CAMERA IS THERE, MORE PEOPLE - CROSS LEGALLY? - >> ( translated ): OF COURSE. - THEY ARE AFRAID TO BE SEEN DOING - SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE, SO THEY - WILL CHANGE THEIR BEHAVIOR. - >> ( translated ): IF YOU - JAYWALK, IT REDUCES YOUR SCORE. - FOR EXAMPLE,F YOU CROSS THE - RED LIGHT, YOUR SCORE WOULD BE - REDUCED BY 2-3. - >> Reporter: BEHAVIOR CHANGE IS - EXACTLY WHAT THE GOVERNMENT - WANTS. - AND THE CREDIT SCORE SYSTEM IS - SO IMPORTANT, THERE'S EVEN A - COMMUNIST PARTY-PRODUCED - NAONAL CREDIT MAGAZINE. - WU XIAOYAN IS THE EDITOR IN - CHIEF. - >> ( translated ): THE CHINESE - SYSTEM'S MAIN PURPOSE IS TO - BUILD A CREDIB SOCIETY OF - TRT. - THIS SYSTEM HAS BECOME AN - EFFECTE MEASURE IN OUR SOCIAL - GOVERNANCE. - PERSON GETS ON BUS, SCREEN - FLASHES "CHECK CREDIT SCORE" - FOR EXAMPLE, ON THE BUS, PEOPLE - WITH REGULAR SCORES WILL PAY - REGULAR PRICE, AND PEOPLE WITH

- GOOD SCORES ONLY PAY 80% OF - THAT. - >> Reporter: REWARDING GOOD - BEHAVIOR ALL ACROSS SOCIETY, AND - PUNISHING BAD BEHAVIOR, IS - ENSHRINED IN HER MAGAZINE. - WHEN I LOOK IN THIS MAGAZINE I - SEE AN HONOR LIST IN RED, AND - THEN IN BLACK, A BLACK LIST. - >> ( translated ): THOSE ON THE - RED LIST ARE PEOPLE WHO HAVE - TRUSTWORTHY BEHAVIOR. - THOSE ON THE BLACKIST ARE - PEOPLE WHOSE BEHAVIORS ARE NOT - TRUSTWORTHY. - >> Reporter: AND DOES IT WORK? - DOES REWARDING PEOPLE WHO ACT - WELL AND PUNISHING PEOPLE WHOE H - ACT BADLY MAKE MORE PEOPLE ACT - WELL? - >> ( translated ): OF COURSE IT - WORKS. - >> Reporter: AND SOMETHING ABOUT - THAT QUESTION MADE HER - UNCOMFORTABLE. - SHE AND HER STAFF WALKED OUT OF - THE INTERVIEW AND THE NEWSROOM. - BUT THE MICROPHONES WERE STILL - ROLLING, AND RECORDED THEIR - CONVERSATION ABOUT MY QUESTIONS. - >> ( translated ): DON'T TALK - ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT. - TALK ABOUT COMPANIES, - BUSINESSES. - WE NEED TO BE CALM. - WE CANNOT REFUSE TO BE - INTERVIEWED. - NOT TOO RIGID OR SERIOUS.

- >> Reporter: 10 MINUTES LATER, - SHE DID COME BACK TO FINISH THE - INTERVIEW. - EVERYTHING OKAY? - AY, SAID EVERYTHING WAS - BUT THE GOVERNMENT'S CRITICS SAY - EVERYTHING IS NOT OKAY, BECAUSE - THEY SAY CHINA'S BIG DATA IS - BECOMING BIG BROTHER. - CHINA COMPANIES THAT USE THE - SOCIAL CREDIT SYSTEM AND THE - GOVERNMENT, SAY THE SOCIAL - CREDIT SYSM IMPROVES PEOPLE'S - BEHAVIOR. - BUT CRITICS SAY THAT THE - GOVERNMENT CAN USE THE SOCIAL - CREDIT SYSTEM TO TARGET AND - PENALIZE ANYONE WHO CRITICIZES - THE COMMUNIST PARTY. - IN HONG KONG, PROTESTORS SAYESTO - MAINLAND CHINA IS EXPORTING A - SYSTEM OF SURVEILLANCE. - SO WHEN THEY DEMONSTRATE, THEY - CLIMB UP LADDERS AND TRY AND - COVER UP THE CAMERAS. - AND PROTESTORS ALSO COVER UP - THEIR FACES. - THIS 21-YEAR-OLD AND HER FRIENDS - DECLINED TO GIVE THEIR NAMES, - FOR FEAR CHINA WOULD PUNISH - THEM. - >> ALTHOUGH I'M WEARING A MASK, - >> Reporter: AND PROTESTERS FEAR - SURVEILLANCE GOES FROM CAMERAS,

- TO INSIDE THEIR PHONES. - THEY ORGANIZE THESE RALLIES - OFFLINE, BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE - POLICE HACKED INTO THEIR - MESSAGING APPS. - >> ( translated ): WE ARE SUPER - >> Reporter: PROTESTORS' FEARS - ARE ACCURATE, SAYS ZHANG LIFAN, - A LONGSTANDING CRITIC OF THE - GOVERNMENT. - HE WAS WILLING TO SIT FOR AN - INTERLIVIEW, BUT REFUSED TO BE - SEEN WITH US IN PUBLIC. - SO HE MET US IN OUR HOTEL ROOM. - ARE YOU, AS A CONSTANT CRITIC OF - THE GOVERNMENT, UNDER - SURVEILLANCE? - >> ( translated ): OF COURSE. - WE CAN FEEL THIS SURVEILLANCE - ALL THE TIME.AL - THE CHINESE AUTHORITIES USE A - NETWORK OF CAMERAS THROUGHOUT - CITIES, FACIAL RECOGNITION - SYSTEMS, AS WELL AS VARIOUS - MOBILE PHONE APPS TO MONITOR - INDIVIDUALS. - SURVEILLANCE IS INDEED - OMNIPRESENT. - >> Reporter: AND THAT - SURVEILLANCE HAPPENS - AUTOMATICALLY, AND - INSTANTANEOUSLY. - EVERY DAY, CHINESE CITIZENS SEND - MORE THAN 45 BILLION MESSAGES ON - WECHAT, THE COUNTRMOST - POPULAR MESSAGING SERVICE. - IF YOU TYPE IN SOMETHING

- E TOITIVE, LIKE A REFERE - THE TIANANMEN SQUARE MASSACRE IN - MANDARIN, THE RECIPIENT NEVER - RECEIVES IT. - >> ( translated ): SOMETIMES, MY - WIFE AND I SUDDENLY CAN'T - CONTACT EACH OTHER. - I NOTICED THAT WHENEVER FOREIGN - ERDIA REPORTERS WERE TRYING TO - SET UP INTERVIEWS WITH ME, THE - POLICE WOULD ALWAYS SHOW UP - DOWNSTAIRS. - AND I'VE NOTICED THAT THE POLICE - WHO FOLLOW ME USE THE SAME - MOBILE PHONES FROM HUAWEI. - >> Reporter: HUAWEI IS A 100 - BILLION DOLLAR PHONE ANDBILL - TECHNOLOGY GIANT, HUAWEI STORES, - THAT'S THE WORLD'S LARGEST - PROVIDER OF TELECOM EQUIPMENT. - U.S. OFFICIALS DESCRIBE IT AS - THE SYMBOL OF HI-TECH CHINESE - GOVERNMENT SUPPRESSION, AND - BEHOLDEN TO THE COMMUNIST PARTY, - ALONGSIDE FELLOW - TELECOMMUNICATIONS GIANT Z.T.E. - >> AS A MATTER OF CHINESE LAW, - THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT CAN - RIGHTFULLY DEMAND ACCESS TO DATA - FLOWING THROUGH HUAWEI AND - Z.T.E. SYSTEMS. - WHY WOULD ANYONE GRANT SUCH - POWER TO A REGIME THAT HASTO - ALREADY GROSSLY VIOLATED - CYBERSPACE? - >> Reporter: THE TRUMP - ADMINISTRATION HAS MOSTLY - BLOCKED U.S. COMPANIES FROM - SELLING TECHNOLOGY TO HUAWEI.

- BUT THE COMPANY IS EXPANDING ITS - 5G, OR FIFTH GENERATION PHONE - TECHNOLOGY, AND VICE PRESIDENT - VINCENT PENG SAYS BUSINESS IS - BOOMING. - >> ALL OUR MAJOR CUSTOMERS CHOSE - STILL STAY WITH HUAWEI. - WE SIGN 50 CONTRACTS WITH OUR - MAJOR CUSTOMERS FOR 5G ALREADY.T - AND THIS YEAR, WE WILL DELIVER - 150,000 BASE STATIONS OUTSIDE OF - CHINA. - I THINK THAT IS THE FACT. - >> Reporter: AND THAT EXPANSION - OF CHINESE TECHNOLOGY AROUND THE - WORLD, HAS ENORMOUS IMPLICATIO - FOR CHINA, AND THE U.S. THAT - THAT STORY, TOMORROW NIGHT. - I'M NICK SCHIFRIN. - >> Woodruff: NOW, JEFFREY BROWN - IS HERE WITH SOME YOUR QUESTIONS - ABOUT OUR LATEST BOOK CLUB PICKP - AND AT THE END OF THE - CONVERSATION, WHAT TO READ NEXT - MONTH. - STICK AROUND FOR OUR LATEST

- SELECTION WITH "THE NEW YORK - TIMES." - IT IS ALL PART OF "CANVAS," OUR - ONGOING SERIES ON ARAND - CULTURE. - >> Reporter: IT SOUNDS PERFECTLR - ORDINARY-- "CONVERSATIONS WITH - FRIENDS." - BUT THE NOVEL BY THAT NAME ABOUT - TWO DUBLIN COLLEGE STUDENTS AND - THEIR RELATIONSHIP WITH AN OLDER - COUPLE WAS AN ANYTHING BUT - ORDINARY DEBUT FOR YOUNG IRISH - WRITER NAMED SALLYNEY. - "CONVERSATIONS WITH FRIENDS" WAS - OUR BOOK CLUB PICK FOR - SEPTEMBER. - SALLY RONEY JOINS ME NOW. - WELCOME TO YOU. - THANKS FOR BEING PART OF THIS. - >> THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME. - >> Reporter: SO IN ONE WAY THIS - WAS AN A COMING OF AGE STORY BUT - SET IN A VERY PARTICULAR TIMEY A - PLACE. - TELL US WHAT YOU WERE AFTER. - >> YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. - I THINK IT'S RIGHT TO DESCRIBE - IT IN ONE SENSE AS A COMING OF - AGE STORY. - SO YOU KNOW AS YOU'VE SAID IT - FOLLOWS THESE TWO COLLEGE - STUDENTS IT'S TOLD FROM THE - PERSPECTIVE OF MY NARRATOR - FRANCIS. - AND IT'S VERY MUCH ABOUT HER - RELATIONSHIP WITH HER EX- - GIRLFRIEND, HER BEST FRIEND - BOBBY. - AND IT'S ALSO ABOUT THEIR - ENCOUNTER WITH A MARRIED COUPLE - WHO TO THESE YOUNG WOMEN WHO ARE - 21 IN THE COURSE OF THE BOOK. - AND THIS COUPLE SEEM MUCH OLDER - MUCH MORE GLAMOROUS MUCH MORE

- SOPHISTICATED IN FACT THEY'RE - QUITE YOUNG. - THEY'RE ONLY IN THEIR 30'S. - AND SO IT'S A BOOK SET IN DUBLIN - SORT OF IN THE PRESENT DAY OR - THE PRESENT DAY. - WHEN I WAS WRITING THIS AND IT - FOLLOWS THE URNEY OF THOSE - FOUR CHARACTERS AND THE SORT OF - INTO RELATIONSHIPS THAT DEVELOP - BETWEEN THEM. - >> Reporter: IT'S A LOVE STORY - BUT IT'S ALSO A KIND OF RUNNING - COMMENTARY ON SOCIAL LIFE THAT - THE CHARACTERS ARE ENCOUNTERING - IT'S SET VERY SPECIFICALLY IN - THIS POST CRASH POST ECONOMIC - CRASH WRITE S 2008. - WHAT IDEAS DID YOU WANT TO GET - ACROSS THERE. - >> SO IT WASN'T NECESSARILY THAT - I WAS AM UNDERTAKING A PROJECT - OF SOCIAL COMMENTARY AS SUCH BUT - I SUPPOSE WHAT I WAS TRYING TO - DO WAS OBSERVE THE TEXTURE OF - THE WORLD THAT I MYSELF WAS - INHABITING. - SO EVEN THOUGH ALL THE - CHARACTERS ARE COMPLETELY - FICTIONAL AND THEIR EXPLOITS ARE - VERY MUCH FIGMENTS OF MY - IMAGINATION THE WORLD THAT THEY - LIVE IN WAS AND IS VERY SIMILAR - TO THE WORLD THAT I WAS LIVING - IN. - AND AS I WROTE THE BOOK AND SO - IN THAT SENSE MAYBE IT DOES AND - ACCIDENTALLY PROVIDE SOME KIND - OF COMMENTARY ON A ON THE CITY - OF DUBLIN AT THAT TIME FROM ONE - VERY LIMITED I SHOULD SAY - PERSPECTIVE. - >> Reporter: AND A NUMBER OF OUR - READERS WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT THE

- PARTICULAR CHARACTERS WHERE, - WHERE DID THEY COME FROM WHERE - THEY OF COURSE THEY WANT TO KNOW - ARE THEY BASED ON REAL PEOPLE? - >> I FEEL IF I KNEW THE ANSWER - TO THAT QUESTION MYSELF I WOULD - BE ABLE TO RISE A NOVEL SORT OF - EVERY MONTH BECAUSE I, I, I CAN - I NEVER KNOW WHERE ARE THE IDEAS - FOR WHERERACTERS ARE GOING TO - COME FROM. - THEY DO ARRIVE TO ME WHAT SEEMS - FULLY FORMED SORT OF WHOLE. - AND EVEN WITH THE - INTERRELATIONSHIPS BETWEEN THEM - KIND OF INTACT. - AND THEN MY JOB AS A NOVELIST IS - I FEEL I'M TO FOLLOW THE THREAD - OF WHERE THOSE RELATIONSHIPS A - GOING AND TO TRY AND EXPLORE - THEM ON THE PAGE. - BUT THE CHARACTERS REALLY SEEM - TO WALK INTO MY BRAIN AND THEY - AREN'T BASED CERTAINLY NOT - CONSCIOUSLY ON ANY ONE THAT I - KNOW OR ANY FICTIONAL CHARACTERS - I'VE READ ABOUT BEFORE. - THEY'RE SORT OF JUST THE WHOLE - THING AND THEY CTO ME AS - THEY ARE. - >> Reporter: ONE READER MARY - O'BRIEN SHE NOTED AS DID OTHERS - THE CONSTANT PUSH AND PULL - BETWEEN THE EMOTIONAL LIFE AND - THE ANALYTICAL WHICH WE SEE - CONSTANTLY THROUGHOUT THE BOOK. - AND NO ONE CAN SEEM TO ESCAPE - THE EMOTIOL LIFE IN THE END - RIGHT. - SO SHE NOTED THE CHARACTER - SAYING YOU CAN'T ALWAYS TAKE THE - ANALYTICAL POSITION. - WHERE DOES THIS PUSH AND PULL

- COME FROM? - >> I THINK CERTAINLY THAT THE - NARRATOR THAT I CONCEIVED FOR - SELF HERE FRANCIS IS SOMEBODY - WHO'S A LITTLE BIT MORE - COMFORTABLE ON THE ANALYTICAL - LEVEL THAN SHE IS. - I'M BOTH EXPERIENCING HER - EMOTIONS AND ALSO INHABITING A - SORT OF PHYSICAL BODY. - THOSE THINGS DON'T COME SO - EASILY TO HER WHEREAS THE KIND - OF INTELCTUAL LIFE SHE FINDS A - LITTLE BIT MORE COMFORTABLE. - SO I THINK FOR ME IT WAS - INTERESTING TO TAKE HER OUT OF - YOUR COMFORT ZONE AND FORCE HER - TO CONFRONT THESE PARTS OF LIFE - THAT FOR HER A LITTLE BIT MORE A - LITTLE BIT MESSIER AND MORE - DIFFICULT TO DEAL WITH. - >> Reporter: MUCH OF THEor - CONVERSATION BETWEEN FRIENDS IS - BY TEXT BY EMAIL. - ALL OF THEM USED EXTENSIVELY IN - THE NOVEL IS THAT BECAUSE THAT - WAS JUST NATURAL TO YOU? - >> YEAH, I MEAN PARTLY BECAUSE - IT WAS NATURAL AND PARTLY I - THINK BECAUSE IT WAS - INTERESTING. - I LIKE AS A WRITER I'M VERY - DRAWN TO TEXT AND WORDS AND SO - ON USES OF LANGUAGE ALWAYS - INTEREST ME AND I FEEL THAT THE - INTERNET GIVES US NEW WAYS OF - USING LANGUAGE AND HAS REALLY - LIVES IN A NEW WAY.NGUAGE IN OUR - SO THE FACT THAT SO MANY - RELATIONSHIPS ARE NOW CONDUCTED - ALMOST PRIMARILY THROUGH THE

- WRITTEN WORD FOR A WRITER IS - SORT OF VERY JUICY AND - INTERESTING BECAUSE I LOVE THE - WRITTEN WORD. - >> Reporter: YES. - >> SO I WAS YEAH REALLY - INTERESTED IN PURSUING HOW IT IS - THAT PEOPLE BUILD RELATIONSHIPS - USING LANGUAGE ALONE. - >> Reporter: WELL, BUT IT'S ALSO - VERY INTERESTING BECAUSE YOU - KNOW THERE'S ALL KINDS OF - DISCUSSION AND TALK ABOUT WHAT - OUR LIVES ON SCREENS ARE DOING - TO US INTO RELATIONSHIPS - COMMUNICATIONS WITH OUR FRIENDS - AND LOD ONES. - >> SURE. - >> Reporter: DO YOU SEE IT - CHANGING? DO YOU SEE-- AS A - >> YEAH ABSOLUTELY. - I MEAN I THINK WE'VE OUR LIVES - HAVE BECOME MORE TEXTUAL AND WE - SPEND MORE AND MORE TIME LOOKING - AT SCREENS AND MOST OF WHAT WE - LOOK UP ON SCREENS ARE WORDS OF - ONE KIND OR ANOTHER.ON - SO OF COURSE THAT SHIFT INTO - TEXT REALITY IS VERY COMPELLING - FOR ME AS A WRITER BECAUSE MY MY - WHOLE LIFE MY WHOLE WORKING LIFE - IS ABOUT TEXT. - BUT I SUPPOSE I FEEL THAT AS A - NOVELIST MY JOB IS TO OBSERVE - RATHER THAN TO JUDGE. - SO JUST TO TRY AND DEPICT AND TO - GET INTO A GRANULAR LEVEL OF - DETAIL ABOUT WHAT IT FEELS LIKE - TO LIVE OUT THESE KIND OF LIVES - WITHOUT SORT OF JUDGING WHETHER - OR NOT THAT'S A GOOD OR BAD - THING. - >> Reporter: ALL RIGHT, WE'LL - CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION ONLINE - WHERE YOU CAN FIND IT LATER ON. - FOR NOW LET ME SAY THANK YOU

- SALLY ROONEY. - >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING - ME. - >> Reporter: BEFORE WE GO I WANT - TO INTRODUCE OUR PICK FOR - OCTOBER. - IT'S A SHIFT TO A SUBJECT VERY - MUCH PART OF OUR POLITICAL - CAMPAIGNS THESE DAYS AS - CANDIDATES LEGISLATORS JUDGES - AND CITIZENS ASSESS AND DEBATE - THE POLITICAL POWER OF - CORPORATIONS ESPECIALLY AFTER - THE CITIZENS UNITED CASE. - THE BOOK IS "WE THE - CORPORATIONS" BY LAW PROFESSOR - AND AUTHOR ADAM WINKLER. - AS ALWAYS WE HOPE YOU'LL READ - ALONG AND JOIN US AND OTHER - READERS ON OUR WEB SITE AND OUR - FACEBOOK PAGE FOR NOW READ THIS. - OUR BOOK CLUB PARTNERSHIP WITH - "THE NEW YORK TIMES." - >> Woodruff: FINALLY AN EXCERPT - FROM OUR FACEBOOK WATCH SHOW, - "THAT MOMENT WHEN." - NETFLIX HAS JUST RELEASED ACTOR - BEN PLATT'S NEW SERIES "THE - POLITICIAN" AND IN THIS EPISODE - HE DISCUSSES HOW HE CHOOSES THE - ROLES HE PLAYS. - IT IS ALSO PART OF OUR "CANVAS" - SERIES. - >> WHAT'S THE FIRST THING YOU

- LOOK FOR WHEN YOU READ A SCRIPT? - WITH THEATER, I THINK THE FIRST - THING I LOOK AT IS SORT OF THE - TRAJECTORY OF THE CHARACTER - BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE WHEN YOU'RE - DOING A PIECE OF THEATER AND - YOU'RE GETTING TO LIVE, IT KIND - OF FROM BEGINNING TO END, SO - MUCH OF WHAT'S SORT OF BITE- - INTO-ABLE ABOUT IT IS THE CHANGE - OR SORT OF THE JOURNEY THAT YOU - GET TO GO THROUGH EVERY NIGHT - CAUSE IT'S GOING TO BE SOMETHING - YOU'RE DOING EIGHT TIMES A WEEK - THEORETICALLY. - AND WITH FILM, IT'S ALSO VERY - MUCH CHARACTER DRIVEN WHEN I - READ IT. - BUT I THINK IT'S A LITTLE BITE I - MORE ABOUT THE GRANDER PIECE - RIGHT FROM THE GET GO. - JUST BECAUSE FILM IS SO MUCH - LESS, AT THE END OF THE DAY, OUR - MEDIUM AS ACTORS BECAUSE IT GETS - SORT OF CURATED AND EDITED BY - OTHER PEOPLE AFTER THE FACT. - AND THEN AFTEROU'VE DECIDED TO - TAKE IT, HOW IMPORTANT IS TONE, - TO LIKE MATCH THE TONE OF THE - PIECE. - >> TOTALLY. - LIKE TONE IS NEARLY EVERYTHING, - PARTICULARLY WITH FILM. LIKE FOR - EXAMPLE, THE SHOW I'M DOING ONHO - NETFLIX CALLED "THE POLITICIAN," - I THINK KIND OF THE, THE - GREATEST STRENGTH OF IT IS THAT - IT HAS A VERY SORT OF STRANGE - AND SINGULAR TONE AND FEELING, - WHICH CREATES KIND OF A - DIFFERENT WORLD THAN ANYTHING

- ELSE THAT I'VE SEEN. - AND I THINK THAT SORT OF IS THE - ULTIMATE ENTRY WHEN READING - SOMETHING WHERE YOU FEEL LIKE - IT'S A VOICE AND A FEELING THAT - IS SORT OF LIKE A VERNACULAR - YOU'VE NEVER HEARD BEFORE. - THAT IS WHY I'M PROUD TO - INTRODUCE MY RUNNING MEATTODAY - INFINITY JACKSON! - >> SOME OF THE ROLES YOU'VE HAD, - YOU HAD TO RECONCILE, FEELS LIKE - UNIVERSAL THEME AND ADOLESCENTS - HAVE BOTH CONFIDENCE AND TERROR - IN THE SAME PERSON. - >> YOU KIND OF CAN'T NECESSARILY - HAVE ONE WITHOUT THE OTHER. - I THINK TERROR IS NECESSARY. - MAKING IT THROUGTERROR AND - SORT OF FINDING WAYS TO PUSH THE - ART THROUGH REGARDLESS OF FEAR. - AND, AND ANXIETY, WHICH IS - OBVIOUSLY ONE OF MY BIGGEST SORT - OF ISSUES IS WHAT CULTIVATES - CONFIDENCE ULTIMATELY. - I THINK IF SOMEONE IS JUST - BLINDLY CONFIDENT FROM BIRTH AND - YOU NEVER GET TO SORT OF SEE - WHERE THAT CAME FROM OR WHAT - CHALLENGES BROUGHT THE CHARACTER - TO THAT PLACE, THEN YOU DON'T - NECESSARILY FIND A WAY INTO THEM - OR A WAY TO RELATE TO THEM OR TO - LOVE THEM. - AND ON THE SAME TOKEN, I DON'T - THINK YOU NECESSARILY WANT TO - SEE A CHARACTER THAT'S PURELYA H - WEAK AND TERRIFIED AND NEVER CAN - OVERCOME THAT TO ACCOMPLISH - ANYTHING. - >> Woodruff: BEN PLAT.. - YOU CAN FIND ALL EPISODES OF

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