New Mexico in Focus; 1115; Our Land 3: East Mountains Water and Brain Drain Repeat

>> FUNDING FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS PROVIDED BY THE MCCUNE CHARITABLE FOUNDATION, AND THE NEEPER NATURAL HISTORY FUND FOR KNME-TV AND VIEWERS LIKE YOU. >> THIS WEEK ON NEW MEXICO INFOCUS, HOW SOME EAST MOUNTAIN RESIDENTS ARE DEALING WITH UNCERTAINTY ABOUT THEIR WATER SUPPLY. >> WE BOUGHT THE PLACE WITH THE INTENTION OF HAVING A WELL AND SOMEWHAT OFF THE GRID. KEPT HEARING THINGS LIKE THE WELLS WOULD VARY OUT HERE. >> WHAT MIGHT KEEP MORE YOUNG PROFESSIONALS IN OUR STATE. >> NEW MEXICO INFOCUS STARTS NOW. >> WELCOME TO NEW MEXICO INFOCUS. LATER THIS HOUR, THE LINE WILL DISCUSS THE FINALISTS IN THE SEARCH FOR THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO AND WE DEBATE A CONTROVERSIAL INTERACTION BETWEEN LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MOTORCYCLISTS IN ALBUQUERQUE. LET'S GO NOW TO THE LINE. >> WELCOME

TO THE LINE. ONE OF THE TOP NEWS STORIES IN THE PAST WEEK WAS THE RESIGNATION OF ALBUQUERQUE'S SCHOOL BOARD MEMBER ANALEE MAESTAS. OFFICIALS ARE INVESTIGATING ALLEGED EMBEZZLEMENT BY HER DAUGHTER AT THE CHARTER SCHOOL FUNDED BY MS. MAESTAS. ALSO WE'LL BE ASKING LINE PANELISTS TO REACT TO A NEW REPORT THAT CRITICIZES SPENDING IN SCHOOL DISTRICTS ACROSS THE STATE. I'M JOINED MARTIN, FORMER NEW MEXICO HOUSE MINORITY WHIP, DANIEL FOLEY IS HERE. GIOVANNA ROSSI, PRESIDENT OF COLLECTIVE ACTION STRATEGIES AND HOST OF THE WELL WOMAN SHOW. LOVE THAT SHOW. AND ATTORNEY MARY T. TORRES IS HERE. STARTING US OFF, ANALEE MAESTAS SAID SHE WOULD NOT STEP DOWN IF DAUGHTER DID EMBEZZLE FUNDS, BUT SHE HAS NOW. MY FIRST QUESTION IS, IT SEEMS LIKE THIS COULD BE A LOT UGLIER. WE HAVE GOT TO AN ELEGANT POINT WHERE SOMETHING IS MOVING HERE. HAS SHE GOTTEN A BIT OF A BREAK BY NOT GETTING INDICTMENTS AND ARRESTED AND ALL THIS OTHER STUFF? >> YOU DON'T

KNOW. BEFORE SHE STEPPED DOWN, CERTAINLY IT DOESN'T APPEAR THAT HAS HAPPENED. WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IS TO COME. WE DON'T SEE, FOR INSTANCE, AS FAR AS I KNOW, A PROMISE FROM THE STATE THAT THEY ARE NOT GOING TO MOVE FORWARD ON INVESTIGATION AND PROSECUTION. IN FACT, MY SENSE IS THEY ARE STILL INVESTIGATING. REALLY WHAT SHE GETS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO STEP OUT OF THE PUBLIC EYE FOR A LITTLE WHILE. AND, PROBABLY START WORKING WITH HER ATTORNEY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO. >> ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS COME UP IS RESTITUTION. WE'RE TALKING ABOUT 700 LARGE ONES. THAT IS A LOT OF MONEY TAKEN OVER THE COURSE OF SOME YEARS AND WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT ADDICTION AND AN ADDICT, THAT IS NOT MONEY SQUIRED AWAY IN SOME ACCOUNT OVERSEAS. THIS IS GONE. IT IS GONE MONEY. HOW DOES THIS THING GO AND SCHOOL GET RESTITUTION IN SITUATIONS LIKE THIS? IT IS DIFFICULT, IT WOULD SEEM TO ME. >> YEAH. I WOULD IMAGINE SO. I DON'T WOULD BE. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO WAIT AND SEE, AS SOPHIE WAS

SAYING. THERE IS SO MUCH MORE TO COME. WE DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THE PROCESS IS GOING TO BE. I THINK THERE IS A LOT MORE TO COME AND VERY LITTLE TO GO ON AS IT IS RIGHT NOW. >> I THINK, TOO, TO THIS POINT, IT IS SAID THAT IT HAS GONE TO HER DAUGHTER'S DRUG ADDICTION. I HAVE TO BELIEVE HECTOR BALDERAS IS TESTING THAT IDEA. DID THAT REALLY HAPPEN? WHAT REALLY HAPPENED HERE. SO, YOU KNOW, IT IS KIND OF A TOUGH THING. WE HEAR SO MANY STORIES, SEE INFORMATION IN THE NEWS AND MAY INTERPRET IT IN OUR OWN WAY. WE ARE APPLYING KIND OF LIKE DO WE THINK THIS IS A RELIABLE PERSON OR NOT, BUT, ULTIMATELY, THIS IS POTENTIALLY A DEFENDANT PUTTING OUT THERE INFORMATION THAT HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED. >> THANK YOU FOR BRINGING IT TO THAT LEVEL. THAT IS A GOOD POINT. THAT IS WHERE OUR AUDITOR IS AT. DANIEL, THE IDEA THAT MS. MAESTAS WAS NOT THE PERPETRATOR HERE, IT WAS HER DAUGHTER, SO, THERE IS A QUESTION HOW MUCH ACCOUNTABILITY SHE MUST HAVE FOR HER DAUGHTER'S ACTIONS AND THIS IS WHERE IT GETS

SQUIRRLY. IT IS A TRICKY THING BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T HEARD WORD ONE ABOUT HER DAUGHTER, WHO SHE IS, WHAT IS GOING ON, WHERE SHE IS. I SUPPOSE SOPHIE IS RIGHT IT WILL COME OUT IN INVESTIGATION, BUT IT IS HER DAUGHTER THAT IS THE PERPETRATOR, HOW ACCOUNTABLE SHOULD MAESTAS BE FOR SOMEONE ELSE'S ACTION? >> WELL, HER DAUGHTER, FOR YOUR QUESTION ABOUT HER BEING HELD ACCOUNTABLE, THE DAUGHTER RELATIONSHIP IS IRRELEVANT. SHE WAS THE CAPTAIN OF THE SHIP. SHE STARTED THE CHARTER SCHOOL. SHE SIGNED THE PAPERWORK. SHE IS THE ONE THAT WAS IN CHARGE. I THINK -- >> SIGNING OFF ON CHECKS AS WELL. >> OR WHOEVER WAS. LIKE WE TALKED ABOUT AT THE TABLE BEFORE, WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD OF THE CHARTER SCHOOL I WAS ON, I DON'T KNOW HOW THAT MONEY DISAPPEARS. WE KNEW WHERE EVERY PENNY WAS. IT WAS HARD TO KEEP THE DOORS OPEN AND LIGHTS GOING. THAT IS A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MONEY. I THINK THAT ANY ORGANIZATION WHEN YOU'RE THE PERSON IN CHARGE, THE BUCK STOPS HERE. THE SAD PART, AND THAT ADDS TO THE FRUSTRATION OF PEOPLE, IS THAT NOW

YOU HAVE A FAMILY MEMBER INVOLVED. WHETHER DIFFERENT CONTROL IS IN PLACE FOR NONFAMILY MEMBER EMPLOYEES THAN FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, I DON'T KNOW. I THINK THE SAD PART IS THAT THIS HAS TAKEN THIS LONG TO FERRET OUT IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. WE REALLY HAVE SOMEONE WHO HAS A PROBLEM AND THAT IS THE DAUGHTER. >> LET'S TAKE ADVANTAGE OF YOUR BEING HERE AT THE TABLE AS A FORMER MEMBER OF A CHARTER SCHOOL BOARD. ANY GUESSES HOW ONE COULD ACTUALLY SLIP 700,000 DOLLARS BY THE ENTIRE BOARD GOVERNANCE SYSTEM? >> YOU DON'T HAVE A GOOD BOARD GOVERNANCE SYSTEM. >> OVER A NUMBER OF YEARS, OVER SIX YEARS. 100,000 A YEAR. A FEW THOUSAND A MONTH. >> WE KNEW WHERE 500 WAS EVERY MONTH. WE HAD NO CHOICE. >> NO QUESTION. >> THESE SCHOOLS ARE NOT FLUSH WITH CASH. WHERE THEY ARE SITTING WITH 200,000 IN THE BANK AND FIVE GRAND GONE, IT IS LIKE, OH, IT'S AN ACCOUNTING ERROR. AS WE SAID HERE BEFORE, THANK GOD COTTONWOOD CLASSIC TURNED OUT TO BE A FANTASTIC SCHOOL,

PHENOMENAL JOB, BUT THERE WAS A LOT OF TIME THERE WHERE, YOU KNOW, IT WAS CAN YOU PAY THE RENT? CAN YOU KEEP THE LIGHTS ON. TEACHERS GIVING UP THINGS TO HELP KEEP THE SCHOOL OPEN. SO, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU HAVE A GOVERNING COUNCIL, WHEN YOU HAVE A PERSON RUNNING IT, I THINK IT IS MUDDIED BY THE FACT IT WAS HER DAUGHTER. SO THE QUESTION IS HOW MUCH -- WHEN DID SHE KNOW AND WHAT WAS DONE? I THINK AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE SAD PART STILL IS THIS IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF THE MENTAL HEALTH AND ADDICTION PROBLEMS WE HAVE IN NEW MEXICO AND WE ARE GOING TO GET TO WATCH THIS UNFOLD IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. I DON'T THINK IT IS GOING TO HELP THAT YOUNG GIRL. >> MARY, JUST A BRILLIANT TRANSITION. THERE IS LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS THAT FOLKS WHO ARE STRUGGLING WITH ADDICTION CAN HIDE LOTS A THINGS, BUT THEY DO NEED ENABLING AND THAT CAN BE TRICKY. WE DON'T WANT TO THROW MS. MAESTAS UNDER THE BUS FOR HER DAUGHTER, BUT IF YOU'RE GOING TO BE ABLE TO CLEAN OUT 700,000 YOU HAVE TO HAVE HELP OR SOMEONE BLOCKING, LOOKING TOO CLOSELY

AT THE BOOKS. IT IS HARD PREJUDGE THESE. >> WE DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS BUT MS. MAESTAS, THE MOM, ANALEE MAESTAS, SHE WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR. SHE SHOULD HAVE KNOWN. THE BUCK DOES STOP AT HER DESK AND TO HAVE ALL OF THAT DOES SEEM LIKE IT IS REALLY AN ISSUE BUT WE JUST DON'T KNOW AND TO REALLY ADDRESS YOUR ENABLING QUESTION, IF SHE DID KNOW, AND SHE WAS HIDING AND SHE WAS TRYING TO HIDE THAT, REALLY BAD ON HER. YOU KNOW. IS THAT WHY SHE RESIGNED? WE DON'T KNOW. >> IT HAPPENS SOPHIE SOMETIMES WHEN YOU HAVE A FAMILY SITUATION THE INSTINCT IS TO PROTECT THAT FAMILY MEMBER. >> ONE OF THE THINGS I WONDER, AND WE HAVE HAD A NUMBER OF SITUATIONS IN GOVERNMENT HERE IN NEW MEXICO IN WHICH SOMEBODY WHO HAS RESPONSIBILITY OVER FINANCIAL MATTERS EMBEZZLES MONEY. I CAN REMEMBER A STORY OF PEOPLE

BUYING SPORTS CARS AND ALL THAT STUFF AND THE CHIEF EXECUTIVE IN THAT ORGANIZATION DOESN'T NECESSARILY GET AXED AS WELL. IT IS USUALLY FOCUSING ON THE PERSON WHO BOUGHT FERRARI OR WHATEVER. I THINK THAT THE DANGER -- AGAIN, THE FACTS AREN'T OUT BUT WHEN YOU HIRE A FAMILY MEMBER, YOU DO TAKE ON ADDITIONAL LEVEL OF RESPONSIBILITY BECAUSE IT IS UNUSUAL. THERE ARE DIFFERENT SORT OF RELATIONSHIP DYNAMICS THAT HAPPEN THERE AND WE'RE SEEING IT HERE. THERE IS THE ISSUE OF THE CARPET CLEANING. >> $40. IT IS SMALL BUT NOT GREAT. >> THAT IS SPECIFICALLY TIED TO THE DIRECTOR. >> CATCH US UP ON THAT STORY. >> THERE WAS REIMBURSEMENT FOR CARPET CLEANING THAT HAPPENED IN THE OLDER MS. MAESTAS' HOME. AND THAT WAS BILLED TO THE SCHOOL AS IF IT HAD

HAPPENED AT THE SCHOOL. SO, THAT CERTAINLY SEEMS TO TIE HER IN A WAY THAT MIGHT NOT -- >> ONE OF THE THINGS. >> HIDING MONEY. >> ONE THING THAT IS IMPORTANT THAT IS GOING TO COME OUT TOO IS THE STATE DOESN'T HAND A CHARTER SCHOOL A BUNCH OF MONEY TO OPERATE. YOU HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF FINANCE THAT AUDITS YOU ANNUALLY. YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC EDUCATION DEPARTMENT AND I KNOW WE HAD TO GO OUT AND FIND A CPA FIRM THAT WE HAD TO PAY TO DO OUR STATEMENTS TO SEND TO THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC EDUCATION. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY CAME BACK AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN I WAS ON THE BOARD, OUR CPA'S CAME AND SAID WE NEED TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THIS LUNCH RECEPTION THING WAS FOR. YOU GUYS NEED TO -- NOT THAT THEY CARED. THEY WERE JUST LIKE, THAT IS GOING TO GET ASKED. I THINK YOU'RE GOING TO FIND OUT THAT NOT ONLY DID THIS HAPPEN BUT THERE IS GOING TO BE -- I DON'T THINK IT COULD HAVE BEEN PULLED OFF BY ONE PERSON. WHETHER SOMEONE WAS LIKE, LOOK, THERE IS THIS

PROBLEM AND WHETHER SHE WAS GOING TO PEOPLE INVOLVED AND SAYING, LOOK, IT IS MY DAUGHTER, I NEED SOME HELP AND TIME, BUT THIS IS GOING TO TRACK ALL THE WAY BACK TO STATE DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. THEY WERE CONSTANTLY UP IN OUR BUSINESS WHEN WE WERE DOING THINGS FINANCIALLY. FOR THIS TO HAVE GONE ON THIS LONG BEFORE SOMEONE FINDS IT IS SURPRISING. >> I THINK IT ALSO GOES TO THE IDEA THAT WE CAN'T JUST BLAME ONE PERSON IN A SITUATION, RIGHT? WE HAVE TO ASSUME THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYBODY INVOLVED HAS THE BEST INTENTIONS. THEY ARE THERE TO HELP BUILD A SCHOOL, EDUCATE KIDS. THEY ARE ALL THERE FOR A GOOD REASON. THERE IS MORE THAN ONE PERSON IN THE SITUATION AND SO THE YOUNG WOMAN WHO IS DRUG ADDICTED, IF THAT IS THE CASE, THE BOARD MEMBER WHO WAS EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, BUT THERE ARE MORE PLAYERS IN THE GAME, RIGHT. THERE IS PED. THERE IS A BOARD OF DIRECTORS. THE QUESTION OF -- THERE ARE LOTS OF BOARD MEMBERS IN THIS STATE, OF ALL KINDS OF THINGS, THAT DON'T KNOW HOW TO READ A FINANCIAL STATEMENT AND THAT IS THEIR JOB EVERY MONTH, RIGHT?

WHERE WERE THEY? >> WHAT ABOUT THE BOARD? >> EXACTLY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE STATUS OF THE INVESTIGATION IS AND WE DON'T KNOW WHAT KIND OF FINANCES THEY WERE GIVEN, BUT IF YOU FOLLOW WHAT DAN SAYS NORMALLY HAPPENS, ONE WOULD THINK THEY WOULD BE LOOKING AT FINANCIALS. AND, AGAIN, IF THE DAUGHTER WAS THE HEAD FINANCE PERSON, YOU KNOW, WHO KNOWS, WHAT REPORTS SHE WOULD HAVE BEEN GIVING, YOU KNOW, GIVING THE BOARD. SO, WHO KNOWS, BUT THE BOARD MAY VERY WELL HAVE SOME LIABILITY TOO, RIGHT? >> EXACTLY RIGHT. STICK TO THAT, IF YOU WOULD AS WELL. AGAIN, GIOVANNA'S POINT, THESE THINGS ALWAYS EXPAND ONCE YOU START LIFTING THE LAYERS. >> SURE. ONE OF THE THINGS ACTUALLY THAT I HAVE BEEN THINKING ABOUT, AS WE HAVE THIS CONVERSATION, IS AUDITS. YOU KNOW, AUDITORS TYPICALLY THEIR MANAGEMENT LETTERS SAY, WE ARE DOING THIS BASED ON THE INFORMATION YOU GAVE

US. WE'RE TESTING TO SEE WHETHER YOUR PROCEDURES ARE PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE TO FRAUD. WE'RE TESTING TO SEE WERE THESE PROCEDURES THAT YOU PUT IN PLACE, WERE THEY FOLLOWED? THEY ARE ALWAYS GOING TO BE RELYING ON DATA PROVIDED BY THE CLIENT. AND, TYPICALLY AUDITORS DO SORT OF SAY, LIKE, IF THIS IS ALL BOGUS, THAT IS VERY MUCH ON YOU. VERY MUCH ON YOU. TO MARY'S POINT, THERE IS A LOT OF WE DON'T KNOW AT THIS TABLE BUT I THINK THE BIG CAUTION IS, LET'S SEE. LET'S SEE WHAT THE INVESTIGATION TURNS UP. >> WE ARE THROWING PRAYERS TO THE MAESTAS FAMILY. IT'S A DIFFICULT SITUATION, SOMEONE WITH ADDICTION PROBLEMS, SOME COMPASSION IS PART OF IT, AS WELL. >> WHEN WE COME BACK TO THE LINE, WE'LL DISCUSS THE FINALISTS IN THE SEARCH FOR A NEW PRESIDENT AT THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO. >> A NEW PRESIDENT DOES NOT MEAN AN ENTIRELY NEW SCHOOL.

THEY ARE GOING TO BE INHERITING WHAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TOP ADMINISTRATORS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND WHO ARE ENTRENCHED. AND SO WHEN WE SAY, OH, GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY AND WE HOPE FOR TURNAROUND, HOPE FOR BIG CHANGE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN HOPE TOO HARD AND EXPECT EXPECTATIONS TO BE MET. >> IF YOU LIVE IN A CITY, YOU EXPECT THAT WATER WILL BE THERE BEEN WHEN YOU TURN ON THE TAP. BUT FOR PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN RURAL PARTS OF THE STATE, THEY DEAL WITH A UNIQUE SET OF ISSUES RELATED TO HOW THEY GET WATER IN THEIR HOMES. ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SANDIA MOUNTAINS MANY FAMILES ARE FINDING WELLS ARE PRODUCING LESS WATER OR GOING DRY. IN THIS MONTH'S EPISODE OF OUR LAND, LAURA PASKUS LOOKS AT WHAT THESE PROBLEMS MEAN FOR INDIVIDUALS AND THE REST OF THE STATE. >> EAST MOUNTAIN COMMUNITIES ARE ONLY A 30 MINUTE DRIVE

FROM ALBUQUERQUE BUT THEY REPRESENT A DIFFERENT WAY OF LIFE. THAT IS WHAT ATTRACTED GARRETT PETRE TO THE AREA 10 YEARS AGO. >> MY WIFE AND I FELL IN LOVE WITH NEW MEXICO AFTER VISITING AND DECIDED WE WANTED TO LIVE INTO THE AREA, BEING AS BOTH FROM THE SOUTHWEST, WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT WATER. WE DID ASK A LOT OF QUESTIONS. BOUGHT THE PLACE WITH THE INTENTION OF HAVING A WELL. IT'S SOMEWHAT OFF THE GRID, AND WE KEPT HEARING THINGS LIKE THE WELLS REALLY VARY, YOU CAN GET A BAD ONE. >> AFTER PURCHASING THEIR HOME, THEY REPAIRED A STORAGE TANK ON THE SHARED WELL, BUT SOON AFTER THAT IT WENT DRY. THE WELL WENT DOWN 425 FEET. PEOPLE COMPARE THE AREA'S GEOLOGY TO SWISS CHEESE. WELLS VARY BUT 425 FEET IS NORMAL. AFTER THE WELL DRIED, FOR A WHILE THEY PAID TO HAVE WATER DELIVERED. >> WHEN WE FIRST STARTED HAVING WATER DELIVERED HERE, AT THAT POINT IT WAS $85 FOR DELIVERY FOR 1500 GALLONS AND THAT WOULD LAST PERHAPS TWO WEEKS.

>> HAVING WATER DELIVERED IS EXPENSIVE BUT CONNECTING TO THE LOCAL WATER UTILITY ALSO ADDS UP. >> THE INITIAL COST FOR A MEMBERSHIP ON THE COOPERATIVE WAS ABOUT $5,000 RANGE. FROM THEIR METER ON INTO OUR HOME IS 400 FEET, SO WE HAD TO FOOT THE BILL TO GET THAT PUT IN AND THAT WAS ANOTHER 4,000. >> MORE FAMILIES ARE FACING THESE CHOICES IN THE EAST MOUNTAINS. WHEN A WELL GOES DRY, YOU CAN PAY TO HAVE IT DUG DEEPER, PAY TO HAVE WATER DELIVERED OR PAY TO HOOK UP TO THE LOCAL WATER DISTRICT, ENTRINOSA WATER AND WASTEWATER ASSOCIATION. THAT IS WHAT PETRI AND HIS WIFE FINALLY DID AND THEY ARE STILL RECOVERING FINANCIALLY FROM HAVING TO PAY FOR THE INFRASTRUCTURE FROM WHERE THE WATER METER ENDED TO THEIR HOUSE. THE AQUIFER ISN'T THE ONLY SOURCE OF WATER. 60 HOMES IN THE EAST MOUNTAINS USE SPRING WATER. >> WE ARE KIND OF ON THE LOWER HALF OF THE SANDIA MOUNTAINS

AND CIENEGA SPRING IS RIGHT NEXT TO US. I THINK OF IT AROUND THE SANDIA. THEY TEND TO SIT AT SIMILAR ELEVATIONS DUE TO THE GEOLOGY AND CIENEGA IS ONE OF MANY. THIS SPRING HAS BEEN DEVELOPED TO SUPPLY THE LOCAL COMMUNITY WITH WATER FOR THEIR HOMES. >> BASICALLY THE SANDIAS ARE A BIG PILE OF LIMESTONE AND SNOW THAT FALLS HIGHER IN THE SANDIAS PERCOLATES DOWN THROUGH THE ROCK AND FORMS A SERIES OF AQUIFERS AND SO THAT WATER POPS OUT AT THIS SPRING BUT IT IS THE SAME WATER THAT GOES ON DOWN THE MOUNTAINS TO FEED THE LOWER AQUIFER AS WELL. >> WE FIRST BECAME INTERESTED IN WATER RIGHTS AND WATER LAW WHILE STUDYING AT UNM. SHE OWNS A HOME IN THE AREA AND IS A MEMBER OF THE SPRING WATER COOPERATIVE. SHE SAYS IT IS A STATE-WIDE ISSUE. >> I SEE MOUNTING CONCERN

PEOPLE ARE BEING AFFECTED, SO MANY PEOPLE ARE SEEING THEIR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS HAVING TO DIG NEW WELLS AND GETTING THESE HUGE PRICE TAGS ALL OF A SUDDEN. WHEN I WAS SHOPPING FOR A HOUSE UP HERE 15 YEARS AGO, I LOOKED AT A NEIGHBORHOOD IN PLACITAS THAT HAD GORGEOUS HOUSES BUT THE WELLS HAD ALL GONE DRY AND SO THE PROPERTY VALUES HAD PLUMMETED. THERE WAS A WHOLE SUBDIVISION BASICALLY THAT YOU HAD A GORGEOUS HOUSE BUT YOU HAD A HUGE PRICE TAG AND A QUESTIONABLE FUTURE FOR WATER TO SUPPLY THAT HOME. >> IN ORDER TO MEASURE AND PREDICT WATER SUPPLIES, INCLUDING HOW MUCH LONGER A WELL MIGHT PRODUCE, PHILLIP OVERSEES A VOLUNTARY WELL MONITORING PROGRAM FOR BERNALILLO COUNTY. THE COUNTY HAS DRILLED WELLS TO OBSERVE ACTIVITIES AT DIFFERENT DEPTHS. >> THE GEOLOGY IS SO COMPLEX OFTENTIMES, YOU REALLY DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ENCOUNTER UNTIL

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

AN AQUIFER. >> THIS ISN'T JUST AN ISSUE IN THE EAST MOUNTAINS. WELLS ARE GOING DRY ACROSS THE SANDIA BASIN FROM PLACITAS TO TIJERAS. A RECENT STUDY BY SCIENTISTS AT THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA SANTA BARBARA AND STANFORD LOOKED AT MORE THAN TWO MILLION WATER WELLS ACROSS 17 WESTERN STATES. THESE WERE DRILLED FROM THE 1950'S UNTIL RECENTLY. AND THEY FOUND THAT 1 IN 30 WELLS WERE DRY IN 2013 THROUGH 2015. FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS AND OUR LAND, I AM LAURA PASKUS. >> WELCOME BACK TO THE LINE. UNM RECENTLY NAMED THE FINALISTS IN THE SEARCH FOR A NEW UNIVERSITY PRESIDENT. PEOPLE NOTICED IMMEDIATELY THAT NONE OF THE FINALISTS ARE FROM NEW INTO THAT AND SOME UNM STAFF TRIED TO CONVINCE THE REGENTS TO DELAY THE SEARCH FOR A PERMANENT PRESIDENT AND KEEP THE INTERIM PRESIDENT FOR ANOTHER YEAR. THAT DID NOT WORK EITHER. BUT WE HAVE THE FIVE FINALISTS. A COUPLE WERE IN TOWN ADDRESSING

A COUPLE OF GROUPS. WANT TO GET FROM EVERYBODY YOUR INITIAL BLUSH THOUGHT WHEN YOU FIRST SAW THE FINALISTS, WHO THEY WERE, THEIR BACKGROUND, IN YOUR SENSE OF THE FIT FOR NEW MEXICO. WERE YOU IMPRESSED? NOT IMPRESSED? DID ANYBODY JUMP OUT AT YOU? >> YEAH. I WASN'T IMPRESSED. I WASN'T IMPRESSED FOR A UNIVERSITY THE SIZE OF NEW MEXICO, KIND OF FLAGSHIP UNIVERSITY I WASN'T IMPRESSED WITH FINALISTS. I WAS KIND OF SURPRISED THERE WAS NOBODY FROM WITHIN THE STATE OR WITH TIES TO THE STATE THAT MADE THAT FINALIST LIST. >> PURPOSEFUL IN YOUR VIEW. IT IS SO STARK. IS THERE SOMETHING THERE, YOU THINK? >> YOU KNOW, I HAVE SAID THIS FOR A LONG TIME, ONE OF THE PROBLEMS WITH PEOPLE IN NEW MEXICO IS WE HAVE A REAL IDENTITY COMPLEX. WE BELIEVE PEOPLE FROM OUT OF STATE CAN DO IT BETTER. WE'RE ALWAYS CHASING THE BUSINESS FROM OUT OF STATE, TRYING TO BRING PEOPLE IN AND WE SEEM TO FORGET WE SHOULD LOOK WITHIN AND SEE WHAT IS GOING ON. I WAS REALLY SURPRISED THERE WAS NOBODY FROM WITHIN

THE STATE. I THINK THERE ARE QUITE A FEW QUALIFIED PEOPLE THAT COULD HAVE ASSUMED THIS POSITION. TO THE PART ABOUT THE -- I AM SURE I'LL DRAW OPPOSITION ON THIS, BUT FROM THE PART OF THE STAFF, UNIVERSITY FACULTY, ASKING THE BOARD OF REGENTS, TO ME THAT IS JUST A BUNCH OF SMOKE AND MIRRORS. THE BOARD OF REGENTS HAS A JOB TO DO. ONE IS TO HIRE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY AND THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT. I THINK IT IS CLEAR THAT WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE DYSFUNCTION AT ANY BOARD OF REGENTS WE HAVE SEEN AT UNM IN THE LAST FEW YEARS WITH THIS GROUP OF FOLKS RUNNING THE BOARD. WHEN YOU START -- >> THEY HAVE A ROBERTS RULE PROBLEM OVER THERE. >> I AM HEARING THEY ARE BICKERING AT EACH OTHER. YOU CAN'T EVEN GET INTO A MEETING AND HAVE A CONVERSATION. AND I THINK THAT STEMS FROM, YOU KNOW, ORGANIZATIONS TEND TO MANIFEST THE PERSONALITY OF THE PERSON THAT IS IN CHARGE, THE LEADER. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE PRESIDENT OF BOARD OF REGENTS AND HIS ABILITY TO COALESCE A GROUP AND COME

TOGETHER AND HAVE CONVERSATIONS AND I THINK IT LEADS EVERYBODY TO QUESTION WHAT THEY DOING, THEIR PROCESS OR LACK THEREOF. >> ONE THING THAT DOES STAND OUT TO ME IS THE BACKGROUND THING IN THE MEDICAL SCHOOL INDUSTRY, ENOUGH TO MAKE PEOPLE IN THE MEDICAL FIELD CRINGE. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THE SEARCH COMMITTEE IS TELLING US BY HAVING THESE SIMILAR BACKGROUNDS? >> THAT IS WHAT I NOTICED WAS THAT WE HAVE TWO DOCTORS, AND WE HAD TWO IN SCIENCES AND A PSYCHOLOGIST, BUT THE DOCTORS -- I KIND BECAUSE I THINK THAT THERE IS POSSIBLY A POWER STRUGGLE, DEFINITELY A FINANCE STRUGGLE BETWEEN UNM AND THE HOSPITALS. AND SO MAYBE BRINGING IN A MEDICAL DOCTOR CAN HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP. A LITTLE BIT. I LIKE THAT IDEA. >> WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A BIG INSTITUTION WITH A MEDICAL

SCHOOL. >> THE MEDICAL SCHOOL IS, LIKE, WAIT A SECOND, BECAUSE, IT WAS LAST YEAR WHERE UNM SAID, WE ARE GOING TO USE THE MEDICAL SCHOOL BUDGET AND MEDICAL SCHOOL SAID NOT SO FAST. AND SO NOW WE HAVE DOCTORS COME IN. MAYBE THAT WAS A GREAT OLIVE BRANCH FOR THE BOARD OF REGENTS AND MAYBE IF WE BRING IN A MEDICAL DOCTOR WITH THAT KIND OF TRAINING, THAT WILL HELP OUR MEDICAL SCHOOL, HELP BRIDGE THAT GAP. >> INTERESTING POINT. GIOVANA, IS THERE SOMETHING BEING GIVEN UP TO GAIN SOMETHING? >> YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THAT IT IS INTERESTING TO LOOK AT THE ACADEMIC VERSUS MEDICAL FIELD. I AM A LITTLE NERVOUS ABOUT IT GOING OVER TOO MUCH ABOUT REALLY INVESTING IN THE MAIN PART OF OUR UNIVERSITY, THE FLAGSHIP UNIVERSITY OF THE STATE. WE HAVE SO MANY PROFESSORS WHO ARE ADJUNCTS, WHO ARE NOT FULL-TIME. THEY ARE NOT GETTING BENEFITS.

WHERE IS THE INVESTMENT IN OUR ECONOMICS, FIRST OF ALL, BUT THE OTHER THING, LOOKING AT THE LONG VIEW OF THIS, OVER THE LAST TWENTY YEARS WE HAVE HAD SEVEN DIFFERENT PRESIDENTS AND SO, YOU KNOW, A COUPLE HAVE BEEN THERE FOR SEVEN OR EIGHT YEARS, BUT THEN, ONE YEAR, THREE, FOUR YEARS. THERE IS A LOT OF TURNOVER AND THE STABILITY ISSUE IS THE BIG ONE. >> THE FACULTY WANTED THE BOARD TO ADDRESS THAT AND IT SAID, UNM IS NOW GOING IN TO AN ACCREDITATION YEAR. THAT IS WHAT THEY WANTED. >> I CAN UNDERSTAND THEM WANTING THE STABILITY BUT WE DO NEED TO TRUST THE PROCESS. THE REGENTS ARE THERE TO DO A JOB. IF WE DON'T LIKE THE PROCESS, LET'S CHANGE THE PROCESS. BUT, ON THE CANDIDATES, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY OUT OF THE FIVE WE HAVE TWO WOMAN, WHICH IS GREAT. WE HAVE NEVER HAD

A WOMAN PRESIDENT OF UNM. I WOULD LIKE TO SEE A WOMAN. WE ALSO HAD ONLY ONE OF THE FIVE IS A PERSON OF COLOR. THERE IS A QUESTION OF DO THESE CANDIDATES REPRESENT THE FACES OF NEW MEXICO. NONE OF THEM ARE FROM NEW MEXICO. WE KNOW THAT BUT I THINK THAT IS A QUESTION. I AM HAPPY TO SEE WOMEN IN THE RUNNING. >> LET ME PUT ANOTHER ONE ON THE TABLE. I AM SURPRISED AND I HEAR THIS A LOT ON THE STREET. DAMRON WAS NOT ONE OF THE FINALISTS AND TO DAN'S POINT, ARE THE REGENTS AVOIDING AN INTERNAL SCRUM, MEANING EITHER INSIDE NEW MEXICO OR INSIDE CAMPUS, TO KEEP THIS THING NOT AS POLITICIZED. MAKE IT LESS POLITICIZED BY HAVING SOMEBODY WHO IS NOT OF NEW MEXICO, NOT OF THE POLITICAL WARS, DOESN'T HAVE A NATURAL CONSTITUENCY. HAVE SOMEBODY COME IN CLEAN WITH NONE

OF THAT AND DOES MS. DAMRON GET ROBBED IN THE MEANTIME, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN. THIS IS WHAT I HEAR. >> NOBODY IS ENTITLED TO A PARTICULAR JOB. IS IT POSSIBLE THAT IS IT IS POSSIBLE. I WOULD LIKE TO THINK THE REGENTS INSTEAD ARE SAYING, WHO IS THE BEST OUT THERE REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY COME FROM WITHIN NEW MEXICO OR NOT. I WOULD LIKE TO PICK UP WHAT GIOVANNA SAID THAT SHE STARTED TO MOVE TOWARDS THAT I THINK THAT UNM DOES NEED TO ADDRESS. A NEW PRESIDENT IS NOT AN ENTIRELY NEW SCHOOL. THEY ARE GOING TO BE INHERITING WHAT IS ALREADY IN PLACE. THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE TOP ADMINISTRATORS WHO HAVE BEEN THERE FOR A VERY LONG TIME AND WHO ARE ENTRENCHED AND SO WHEN WE SAY, OH, WE ARE GOING TO HIRE SOMEBODY AND WE HOPE FOR TURNAROUND, HOPE FOR BIG CHANGE, I DON'T THINK WE CAN HOPE TOO HARD AND EXPECT OUR EXPECTATIONS TO BE MET. THESE ARE COMPLICATED

INSTITUTIONS AS UNM HAS SHOWN. I THINK THERE HAS BEEN A FAIR AMOUNT OF TURNOVER. TURNOVER AT HIGH LEVEL UNIVERSITY POSITIONS TENDS TO BE HIGH, ANYWAY, THREE YEARS TO FIVE YEARS, BUT WE HAVE SEEN A SEQUENCE OF, YOU KNOW, A SERIES OF PRESIDENTS COME IN WITH HIGH HOPES WHO HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO MAKE THE KIND OF CHANGE WE WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM MAKE. TO DAN'S POINT, DO WE HAVE A FUNCTIONAL BOARD OF REGENTS, A FUNCTIONAL TOP ADMINISTRATION, ALL THE WAY DOWN. IT IS VERY HARD FOR ONE PERSON TO TAKE ALL OF THAT ON. >> I HAVE TO SAY AGAIN, I'LL BRING IT UP AGAIN, THIS POSITION CANNOT BE MADE NOT POLITICAL BECAUSE IT IS MADE POLITICAL. I DON'T SEE A LOT OF BACKGROUNDS HERE, SORT OF A POLITICAL BACKGROUND, BUT, JUST SOMETHING YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH. I AM SURE THEY DID IT AT INDIVIDUAL SCHOOLS. BUT, YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN, BOB FRANK CAME IN, NICEST GUY IN THE WORLD,

POLITICIZED FAIRLY QUICKLY, AND ALL THOSE PAST PRESIDENTS, IT HAPPENS TO EVERYONE. WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS. ONE OF THE CANDIDATES FROM IDAHO WHAT HE DID WITH THEIR FOOTBALL TO PULL IT OUT OF THE CONFERENCE OR SOMETHING. DIDN'T GET RID OF FOOTBALL, I THOUGHT THAT WAS INTERESTING AND I AM WONDERING, I WONDER IF THAT IS -- EXACTLY. >> I THINK ALSO, YOU KNOW, THE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE HEALTH SCIENCE SIDE, I THINK THERE IS ALSO PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE, YOU KNOW, AND IT WAS A SURPRISING FACT WHEN I WAS IN THE LEGISLATURE THAT HEALTH SCIENCE CENTER ALSO COSTS A LOT OF MONEY. THEY ARE IN CONSTANT LITIGATION WITH CONSTANT SETTLEMENTS THAT COST RISK SERVICES, THAT HAVE AFFECTED THE UNIVERSITY OF NEW MEXICO AT AN UNBELIEVABLE LEVEL. THESE ARE MILLIONS AND 10'S

OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF SETTLEMENTS. >> THAT OCCURRED WHEN THERE WAS REALLY ONE BIG UMBRELLA OVER EVERYTHING AND THEY TRIED TO SAY, LOOK, WE HAVE THE HEALTH SCIENCE SIDE WITH CHANCELLOR AND THE GUY IN CHARGE, DR. ROTH IS HERE AND WE HAD THE WHOLE BIG FIGHT ABOUT HE WAS KIND OF ON THE SAME LINE AS THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY NOW. KIND OF HAS HIS OWN BOARD, HE IS DOING HIS OWN THING. SO, IT SEEMS TO ME LIKE IT LOOKS LIKE REGENTS ARE TRYING TO BRING THAT BACK TO THE UNIVERSITY AND SAY, WE'LL PUT SOMEONE IN CHARGE THAT WILL PULL THAT BACK IN. I AM NOT SURE THAT IS THE RIGHT MOVE THEY SHOULD BE MAKING. >> WE HAVE TO HOLD THERE. WE'LL COME BACK TO THIS ISSUE. THIS IS LONG FROM OVER. >> IN NEW MEXICO, WE OFTEN HEAR THAT THERE IS A BRAIN DRAIN OF YOUNG TALENTED NEW MEXICANS LEAVING THE JOBS FOR STATE AND ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITIES. GWYNETH DOLAND LOOKED AT THE SO-CALLED BRAIN DRAIN EARLIER THIS YEAR. THIS WEEK WE REVISIT HER CONVERSATION WITH A GROUP OF YOUNG PROFESSIONALS. THESE SMART CREATIVE NEW MEXICANS

HAVE LIVED AND WORKED IN OTHER PLACES, BUT DECIDED TO COMMIT TO OUR STATE. >> NICOLE MANU SANDOVAL, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH ME TODAY. >> OF COURSE. >> YOU'RE ALL 20 AND 30 SOMETHING. THIS IS THE TIME OF LIFE WHEN IT IS EASY TO MOVE AROUND, YOU DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH STUFF. YOU CAN GO ALL OVER THE COUNTRY WHEREVER YOU WANT FOR WORK OR SCHOOL OR RELATIONSHIPS. THE THREE OF YOU HAVE DECIDED TO STAY AS OF FOR NOW. I WANT TO ASK YOU ALL WHY. WHAT IS SO GREAT ABOUT NEW MEXICO THAT YOU DECIDED NOT TO STAY WHERE YOU HAVE WORKED AND STUDIED AND BEEN. >> WELL, I WOULD SAY THE BIGGEST THING IS CULTURE. THERE IS A VERY UNIQUE CULTURE HERE IN NEW MEXICO. IT IS VERY OF INDIVIDUALIZED. I JUST MOVED BACK FROM THE EAST COAST AFTER FOUR YEARS OF GOING TO SCHOOL THERE, WORKING

THERE, LIVING THERE AND ONE OF THE BIG THINGS THAT APPEAL TO ME WAS THIS FOCUS ON THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE. LOOKING TO SEE WHAT CAN PEOPLE DO, WHAT CAN THEY BE A PART OF, WHAT CAN THEY DO TO HELP THEIR NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR OR FRIENDS OR SOMEBODY ON THE STREET THAT THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW. AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT REALLY APPEALS TO ME IN RETURNING. >> THE OTHER TWO OF YOU HAVE SPENT TIME ON THE COASTS WORKING. DID YOU FEEL THERE IS MORE OF A FOCUS ON THE INDIVIDUAL AND THAT NEW MEXICO IS MORE OF A COMMUNITY? >> DEFINITELY. THAT IS WHY I CAME BACK. WELL, I WENT TO DC AND I LOVED IT AND IT WAS A GREAT EXPERIENCE BUT I WANTED TO COME BACK HOME. THE CHANGES THAT I WANTED TO MAKE I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND WHY I WAS IN DC. SO I NEEDED TO COME HOME AND MAKE THOSE CHANGES. AND I THINK THAT ALBUQUERQUE IS A GREAT PLACE FOR A YOUNG A SMALL COMMUNITY. IT IS BIG ENOUGH TO MAKE CHANGES

AND REALLY GET YOUR NAME OUT THERE AND BE A COMMUNITY LEADER IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WISH TO DO AND IN ANY FIELD THAT YOU'RE IN. SO, I THINK, IF YOU'RE GOING TO MAKE IT ANYWHERE, MAKE IT HERE, MAKE IT HERE FIRST, AND THEN GO IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WISH, BUT, I JUST THINK THAT WE DO HAVE RESOURCES AND GROUPS THAT CAN HELP YOU EMERGE. >> FOR ME, THERE IS A LOT OF WORK ON THE WEST COAST AND VISITING THE EAST COAST, NOT WORKING OVER THERE, BUT IT IS THE PEOPLE. WHEN YOU GO INTO A CONVENIENCE STORE OR SMITH'S ON YALE, YOU KNOW, IT IS THE WAY THAT PEOPLE TALK TO YOU, THE WAY PEOPLE LOOK AT YOU. IT IS I HAVE EVER BEEN. >> YOU KNOW SOMEONE WHEN YOU GO INTO -- >> AT LEAST ONE. >> SO THERE IS THE CULTURE THAT YOU MENTIONED. WHAT ELSE IS IT ABOUT NEW MEXICO FOR YOU GUYS THAT KEEPS YOU HERE? >> ONE OF THE BIG THINGS IS FAMILY. THIS IS WHERE I AM FROM. I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE OTHER PANELISTS, YEAH, SO, I AM

FROM RIO RANCHO, ON THE WEST SIDE OF ALBUQUERQUE AND I LOVE MY FAMILY. I AM VERY LUCKY IN THAT MY FAMILY IS EXTREMELY SUPPORTIVE AND BEING WITH THEM INSTEAD OF BEING A DAY'S PLANE RIDE AWAY, THAT IS SIGNIFICANT. >> LIKE I SAID BEFORE, I THINK THAT ALBUQUERQUE REALLY GIVES YOU A CHANCE TO BUILD SOMETHING AND THERE ARE LOTS OF THINGS GOING ON, YOU KNOW. A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT I SEE THAT THEY SAY THERE IS NO OPPORTUNITY HERE AND THERE IS NOTHING GROWING HERE, IT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. THERE IS A LOT OF GROUPS FOR YOUNG PEOPLE, ALBUQUERQUE COMMUNITY FOUNDATION, FUTURE FUND, ABQ INVOLVED. THERE IS ALL THESE ORGANIZATIONS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE CAN GET INVOLVED WITH AND GET INVOLVED WITH THEIR COMMUNITY AND THAT WILL HELP YOU BETTER UNDERSTAND YOUR COMMUNITY AND THERE IS LOTS OF EXCITING STUFF AND LOTS OF THINGS

HAPPENING. SO FOR PEOPLE TO SAY THAT, THAT IS WHY I WOULD ASK THEM, GIVE ME ONE THING YOU'RE DOING TO CHANGE THE PROBLEM YOU SEE, BECAUSE IF YOU'RE DOING ONE THING, THERE IS NO WAY THAT YOU CAN SAY THAT PEOPLE AREN'T DOING ANYTHING. >> I AM THINKING ABOUT YOU MANU, BECAUSE YOU'RE A MUSICIAN. >> FOR BETTER FOR WORSE. >> THERE ARE JUST FEWER PEOPLE TO COLLABORATE WITH HERE TO WORK WITH. THERE IS A SMALLER GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO GO OUT TO SEE BANDS PLAY. THEY HAVE LESS MONEY TO PAY FOR THEM. >> YEAH. >> YOU TOLD ME THE OTHER DAY, YOU ARE LOOKING FOR A BARTENDING JOB. >> I AM. WE STARTED UP THIS COMPANY ABOUT YEAR-AND-A-HALF, TWO YEARS AGO. I JUST GRADUATED UNM IN MAY. AND, YOU KNOW, I AM LOOKING FOR A JOB SO I CAN -- >> THERE ARE NO MUSIC JOBS HERE? >> NO, NOT REALLY. NO. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE IS SOME MUSIC JOBS AND EVEN LESS THAN JOBS IN SOME SORT OF MUSICAL SENSE, ACTUALLY, JOBS MAKING MUSIC ARE EVEN RARER THAN ANY JOB I HAVE LOOKED FOR BEFORE, BUT -- >> YOU GO TO LA

FOR WORK SOMETIMES. YOU COULD MOVE THERE. YOU WANT TO BE A ROCK STAR. MOVE TO LA. WHY NOT? >> I WAS PLANNING ON MOVING TO LA AND THERE WAS A FEW THINGS LIKE THE COST OF LIVING THAT KEPT ME HERE BUT ANOTHER BIG THING WAS JUST THE TALENT HERE. THIS HUGE WELL OF UNTAPPED MUSICAL TALENT THAT ALBUQUERQUE IS, IS SOMETHING THAT IS HARD FOR ME TO BYPASS, YOU KNOW, JUST TO LET GO AND MOVE SOMEWHERE ELSE. >> NICOLE, YOU APPLIED TO UNM LAW SCHOOL BUT CHOSE TO GO TO THE UNIVERSITY OF RICHMOND IN VIRGINIA. WHY DID YOU CHOOSE TO LEAVE THE STATE FOR SCHOOL? >> WELL, SO I WAS ACCEPTED AT UNM AND I THOUGHT I WOULD GO THERE. I AM AN ALUMNI FOR TWO BACHELOR'S DEGREES FROM UNM, BUT WHEN I SAT DOWN WITH THEM TO HAVE A CONVERSATION ABOUT HOW I COULD AFFORD IT AND WHAT THE FINANCES WOULD BE

AND WHAT WAS GOING ON WITH UNM LAW, I WAS -- THEY HAD SOMEBODY COMING FROM THE EAST COAST TO TAKE OVER AS DEAN AT THE TIME. HE IS NO LONGER HERE. EVEN THOUGH THEY HAD A WONDERFUL ENTRANCE PERSON, I JUST THOUGHT THEY WERE FOCUSING ON SOMETHING OTHER THAN NEW MEXICO. SO, I HAD APPLIED TO RICHMOND LAW AND THEY OFFERED ME A MASSIVE SCHOLARSHIP, WHICH I WAS GRATEFUL FOR, AND IT MADE IT PAR WITH UNM LAW. SO THE CONSIDERATION WAS, WHAT AM I GOING TO GET FROM THERE THAT I WON'T NECESSARILY GET HERE. ONE OF THE BIG THINGS WAS ABOUT BRINGING NEW INFORMATION BACK AND HAVING A DIFFERENT EDUCATION THAN OTHER ATTORNEYS IN THE STATE. IS THERE SOMETHING THAT THAT SORT OF EDUCATION COULD BRING ME. A CITY LIKE ALBUQUERQUE, THAT HAD AN APPEALS COURT IN IT, THAT HAD A FEDERAL DISTRICT COURT IN IT, TWO HOURS SOUTH OF DC, TO THE WEST, THERE WAS MOUNTAINS. TO THE EAST THERE WAS THE BEACH, WHICH I DID NOT

MAKE IT TO IN THE FOUR YEARS I WAS THERE, BUT IT HAD SIMILAR OPPORTUNITIES THAN ALBUQUERQUE. THEY WERE JUST INVESTED IN ME WHICH I THINK HAD A UNIQUE TWIST TO IT, SO, I DID DECIDE TO GO OUT TO RICHMOND AND KIND OF REBOOT AND SAY, REALLY FOCUS ON LAW. AND I PLANNED ORIGINALLY TO COME BACK. HALFWAY THROUGH LAW SCHOOL, I THOUGHT I WOULD STAY. I TOOK THE BAR IN VIRGINIA. I AM A LICENSED ATTORNEY THERE. >> BUT, YOU HAVE MADE SACRIFICES IN MOVING BACK. >> ACTUALLY, I AM TAKING THE BAR IN FIVE DAYS. TO DO IT AGAIN. >> OBVIOUSLY, IF YOU HAD STAYED OUT ON THE EAST COAST, THERE WOULD BE SO MANY MORE JOBS AND YOU WOULD MAKE MORE MONEY. >> MONEY IS ONE THING, COST OF LIVING IS COMPARABLE. RICHMOND TO ALBUQUERQUE, EVEN, NORFOLK OR PARTS OF NORTHERN VIRGINIA, NOVA, ALL THOSE ARE

COMPARABLE TO THE COST OF LIVING. HOUSING IS EXPENSIVE IN DC AS YOU TALKED ABOUT. SOFIE SAID SHE ATE SOUP QUITE A BIT IN DC AND THAT IS A KNOWN THING. SO, YOU KNOW, OF COURSE FINDING A JOB HERE THAT WAS COMPARABLE FOR AN ATTORNEY -- WHEN I WAS CONSIDERING STAYING, I MENTIONED TO A FRIEND. HE CALLED ME AN HOUR LATER AND SAID, PLEASE SEND YOUR RESUME TO THIS PERSON. SO, I HAVE A POSITION AS A LAW CLERK AT A VERY SUPPORTIVE FIRM WHO ARE HAPPY TO HELP ME ON MY WAY AS I SET UP FOR THE BAR IN ALBUQUERQUE. >> ARE THOSE CONNECTIONS PART OF WHAT KEEPS YOU HERE? >> THAT IS WHAT I WAS THINKING WHEN YOU WERE SPEAKING IS IMAGINE WHAT YOU CAN DO AS A LAWYER OR WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH MUSIC OR I CAN DO WITH COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE, RIGHT? YOU CAN REALLY MAKE IT BIG HERE. THERE

ARE PEOPLE THAT WANT PEOPLE WHO ARE PUTTING MONEY INTO IT. IT MAY NOT COME FROM THE GOVERNMENT RIGHT NOW OR WHO WE WANT IT TO COME FROM, BUT I THINK THERE IS A COMMUNITY HERE THAT REALLY CARES ABOUT SEEING SUCCESS OF OTHER PEOPLE. >> YOU PERSONALLY, YEAH. >> I THINK THAT IS UNIVERSAL IN THE COMMUNITY HERE. WE TALK ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW, LIKE MANU SAID, YOU GO TO THE GROCERY STORE, IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YOU KNOW SOMEBODY THERE OR NOT, YOU ARE GOING TO HAVE A CONVERSATION WITH SOMEBODY IN THE LINE AND THAT WASN'T SOMETHING I HAD ON THE EAST COAST, LIKE MEETING NEW PEOPLE OR JOKING WITH SOMEONE OR JUST HAVING THAT BACK AND FORTH. I HAD INDIVIDUALS WHO GAVE ME CAREER ADVICE IN THE GROCERY STORE AND IT WAS GOOD ADVICE HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE. >> I THINK THAT PEOPLE BEING BORN AND RAISED HERE, IT IS HEALTHY TO GO TO WORK SOMEWHERE ELSE. THAT IS GREAT, BUT, WHAT THE CONVERSATION WE'RE HEARING NOW IS ALL THE NEGATIVE, SO, IT IS JUST ABOUT CHANGING THAT

NARRATIVE AND WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. >> CHANGE THE NARRATIVE BUT CRIME IS REAL AND YOU HAVE A LOT OF EXPENSIVE RECORDING EQUIPMENT. >> WE DON'T HAVE THE ADDRESS OF OUR STUDIO ONLINE, ANYWHERE. WE ARE GOING NOTEBOOK THAT I AM USING HERE TODAY, WE HAVE A LIST OF ALL THESE ARTISTS THAT WILL MESSAGE US AND WE ARE GOING THROUGH AND MEETING IN THE COFFEE SHOPS INITIALLY, YOU KNOW. BECAUSE WE HAVE HAD FOUR BREAK-IN'S, NOT IN OUR HOUSES, BUT CARS AND STUFF OUTSIDE. AND IT IS JUST -- >> IT IS EXHAUSTING. >> IT IS VERY HARD WORK, EXHAUSTING AND DISAPPOINTING AND DISHEARTENING. >> AS YOUNG PEOPLE, REALLY, TELL THEM ON CHANGING THINGS LIKE CRIME AND SUBSTANCE ABUSE FACILITIES

AND EDUCATION, I THINK THOSE THREE THINGS ARE THE BIGGEST THINGS THAT WILL KEEP PEOPLE HERE. OF COURSE JOBS. WE NEED JOB GROWTH. EVERYBODY NEEDS IT BUT THOSE THREE THINGS, I THINK, THAT WOULD KEEP PEOPLE HERE IF WE CHANGE IT. >> WHAT ABOUT FUN STUFF? WHEN YOU GO TO LA, RIGHT? YOU'RE LIKE, OH, THERE IS A LOT TO DO HERE, YOU KNOW, AND IN WASHINGTON, THERE IS SO MUCH STUFF, THERE IS SO MUCH MORE. AND I WAS IN COLORADO LAST WEEKEND. AMAZING BIKE PATHS AND TRAILS AND FUN STUFF TO DO. THERE IS NOT AS MUCH INFRASTRUCTURE FOR FUN STUFF HERE. NOT AS MANY SHOWS, NOT AS MANY MUSEUMS, NOT AS MUCH OF THAT STUFF. IS THAT SOMETHING YOU THOUGHT ABOUT LEAVING OR SOMETHING YOU WISH THERE WAS MORE HERE. >> NO. I FIND THAT THERE IS A TON OF STUFF. I WENT TO ZOO MUSIC THE OTHER

NIGHT. I WENT WITH MY FAMILY, HAD A 10 YEAR OLD COUSIN AND FAMILY MEMBERS THERE. EVERYBODY LOVED IT. THERE WERE THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE THERE. AND IT WASN'T -- EVERYBODY WAS HAPPY. THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY INCIDENTS. PEOPLE TOOK ADVANTAGE OF IT. SO, I THINK THAT THAT IS JUST LIKE -- THEY DO A TON OF MOVIES IN THE PARKS UP ON THE WESTSIDE. YOU HAVE A NEW PARK UP THERE FOR PARKS FOR EVERYONE WHICH IS FANTASTIC. IT GETS A LOT OF YOUTH. I PLAYED KICK BALL HERE FOR SIX YEARS BEFORE I LEFT AND I AM GETTING BACK INVOLVED IN IT AGAIN. AS FAR AS THE NIGHT LIFE, I THINK YOU WOULD KNOW MORE ABOUT THAT THAN I DO. >> YEAH. THERE IS PLENTY TO DO. I THINK PART OF THE ISSUE IS MARKETING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PEOPLE AREN'T LETTING THE CITY KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON ON A SCALE THAT, YOU KNOW, EVERYONE CAN

SEE IT. FOR EXAMPLE, THE ZOO MUSIC. I KNOW THAT IS SOMETHING THAT GOES ON, WHEN WAS -- >> A WEEK-AND-A-HALF AGO. >> PART OF IT WAS, YOU KNOW, IT USED TO BE WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE THAT THE PAPER HAD ALL THE STUFF HAPPENING THAT WEEKEND AND EVERYBODY READ IT AND WENT AND NOW IT IS FRAGMENTED, YOU HAVE TO SEE IT SOMEWHERE BUT EVERYBODY IS NOT LOOKING AT THE SAME STUFF. NICOLE, YOU TOLD ME THAT PART OF THE REASON YOU CAME BACK WAS BECAUSE YOU FEEL LIKE NEW MEXICO NEEDS YOU. >> YEAH. >> ABSOLUTELY. I AM AN ATTORNEY. THERE IS A LOT THAT GOES INTO LAW. THERE ARE ETHICAL CONSIDERATIONS FOR HOW WE TREAT THE INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE AROUND US. THERE ARE CONSIDERATIONS IN REGARDS TO CRIME. 23% INCREASE IN CRIME IN THE LAST FOUR YEARS FOR PROPERTY CRIME, 47 FOR CAR THEFT AND THANK YOU TORRES FOR THOSE NUMBERS, HE IS EDUCATING QUITE BIT

ON THOSE. BUT, I THINK, THAT WHEN I SEE SOMETHING LIKE THAT, I WANT TO CHANGE IT BECAUSE I LOVE ALBUQUERQUE. FOUR YEARS I NEVER CALLED MYSELF A VIRGINIAN OR ANYTHING BUT AN ALBUQUERQUIAN. THAT WAS A MOMENT WHEN I CAME BACK, AND I FELT, WOW, I AM HOME. >> DO YOU FEEL LIKE NEW MEXICO NEEDS YOU? >> I FEEL LIKE NEW MEXICO NEEDS SOMEONE WHO IS DOING THE THINGS THAT I AM TRYING TO DO. I DON'T KNOW IF IT IS ME IN PARTICULAR BUT I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT I AM TRYING DO AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO IS MAKE STREET RECORDS AND INSTILL A SENSE OF PRIDE FOR THE CITY ITSELF, YOU KNOW, SO PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN ALBUQUERQUE DON'T WANT TO STEAL ANOTHER ALBUQUERQUE CITIZEN'S CAR OR DON'T WANT TO BREAK INTO ANOTHER ALBUQUERQUE CITIZEN'S HOUSE, BECAUSE THAT PERSON IS FROM MY CITY. WHY WOULD I CAUSE THEM ANY KIND OF HARM? THE WAY THAT I AM TRYING TO DO

THAT, MY STUFF IS MUSIC AND HAVING SOMETHING MUSICALLY COME OUT OF HERE THAT IS REACHING A LOT OF PEOPLE SO PEOPLE HERE HAVE SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE TO BE PROUD OF, SOMETHING THAT THEY CAN THINK ABOUT AND MAYBE NOT WANT TO HURT OTHER ALBUQUERQUE CITIZENS. >> WHAT ABOUT YOU? >> I THINK IT IS ABOUT MAKING ALBUQUERQUE RESIDENTS PROUD TO BE FROM HERE. AND I THINK THEY ARE. IT IS JUST GIVING US SOMETHING TO BE PROUD ABOUT, RIGHT. IT IS GREAT TO SEE YOU GUYS HERE DOING WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND IT MAKES ME HAPPY THAT THAT IS GOING ON. SO, THAT IS WHY I AM HERE, TO CHANGE THAT AND REALLY ENGAGE IN THE COMMUNITY. >> THINGS LIKE THIS, TALKING TO PEOPLE, LIKE US. >> WHICH I AM GRATEFUL FOR. THANK YOU THREE FOR BEING WITH US TODAY. >> WELCOME BACK TO THE LINE. LET'S END

WITH AN INTERESTING STORY RAISING A LOT OF QUESTIONS AROUND TOWN THIS WEEK. CELL PHONE VIDEO THAT BECAME PUBLIC THAT SHOWED A BERNALILLO AT A MOTORCYCLIST UP ON TRAMWAY. THE BIKER WAS STUNTING DOING A WHEELIE. WHY DID, START WITH YOU MARY, A SHERIFF FEEL THAT POINTING A GUN AT MOTORCYCLISTS WAS THE BEST WAY TO HANDLE THE SITUATION? >> WELL, I THINK WE NEED TO REMEMBER WHAT THE SHERIFF SAID. HE SAID DON'T JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS BASED ON A SNAPSHOT OF WHAT GOT TO BE THINKING ABOUT WHAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE OPERATING UNDER. THEY HAD RECEIVED 45 CALLS FROM MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT THEY HAD BEEN RUN OFF THE ROAD, THAT THERE WERE THE GROUP OF 30, 40, 50 MOTORCYCLISTS BLOCKING INTERSECTIONS, THAT THE PUBLIC FEARED FOR THEIR SAFETY, THAT THEY WERE -- MOTORCYCLISTS WERE DOING WHEELIES, WERE STANDING UP ON THEIR BIKES, SO, THIS IS WHAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS ARE

RESPONDING TO. THEY GO AND RESPOND. THEY HAVE THEIR LIGHTS AND SIRENS ON. THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO PULL OVER. THEN, ACCORDING TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, THEIR VEHICLES WERE SWARMED WITH THE MOTORCYCLISTS AND THEY WERE THROWING GANG SIGNS. NOW, THE SHERIFF SAID, BUT, LOOK, WE DON'T HAVE A VICTIM HERE. WE DON'T HAVE ANY MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC ACTUALLY SAYING, I AM FEARING FOR MY SAFETY, NOR ARE ANY OF THESE MOTORCYCLISTS GOING TO COME IN AND HELP US WITH OUR INVESTIGATION. WE HAVE A POLICY THAT SAYS WE CAN DO A SHOW OF FORCE WHICH IS WHAT THE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER DID. >> LET ME STOP YOU THERE. HERE IS WHAT SHERIFF HAD TO SAY, "DRIVING A MOTORCYCLE ON ONE TIRE IS A TRAFFIC VIOLATION AND DEPUTIES ARE ALLOWED TO USE A SHOW OF FORCE ACCORDING TO STANDARD

OPERATING POLICIES." >> HE IS NOT DOING A SHOW OF FORCE BECAUSE HE WAS DRIVING ON A WHEEL. THE SHOW OF FORCE WAS THAT ENTIRE -- THE WHOLE SCENARIO WHERE YOU HAVE LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS -- >> IS IT APPROPRIATE IN YOUR MIND TO SHOW A GUN IN THAT SITUATION? >> IF YOU'RE NOT RESPONDING TO A LAWFUL COMMAND FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER TO PULL OVER, IF YOU'RE GETTING -- >> THEY WERE CHASING THEM WITH LIGHTS AND SIRENS. [MULTIPLE VOICES] >> THEY ARE TRYING TO GET THEM TO PULL OVER. YOUR DISOBEYING A LAWFUL ORDER OF A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER. WHAT ELSE ARE YOU GOING TO DO? I AM GOING TO DO A SHOW OF FORCE. NO, I AM GOING TO DO A SHOW OF FORCE TO GET YOU TO PULL OVER. THEY COULD HAVE SPIT AT THEM, I GUESS, BUT THEN, WHERE WOULD WE HAVE BEEN ON THAT? >> IT IS JUST THAT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO, THE CAMERA DOESN'T LIE, RIGHT?

YOU CAN SAY THERE WAS ALL THE THIS OTHER STUFF GOING ON, WHICH THERE PROBABLY WAS, BUT WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE VIDEO AND YOU SEE A POLICE OFFICER POINTING A GUN AT THE BACK A WHEELIE ON A FREEWAY OR A BIG ROAD, IT JUST DOESN'T ALL ADD UP AND THE FACT THAT HE WAS ALLOWED LEGALLY TO PULL HIS GUN OUT WITH NO INTENT OF SHOOTING IT, IF THAT WAS HIS INTENT, NOT SHOOTING, EVEN THOUGH HE IS ALLOWED TO DO THAT, THE QUESTION IS JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO SOMETHING, SHOULD YOU BE DOING IT. AND THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE TRAINED TO BE ABLE TO HANDLE THAT PRESSURE, MAKE A GOOD DECISION IN THE MOMENT, AND THAT LOOKED LIKE A REALLY BAD DECISION. [MULTIPLE VOICES] >> IT LOOKED LIKE A SCENE FROM A MOVIE AND I HAVE NEVER SEEN COPS DRIVING AROUND WITH GUNS OUT THE WINDOW POINTING AT PEOPLE. THAT IS SOMETHING YOU SEE -- IN A JACKIE CHAN MOVIE. >> THAT IS THE JACKIE CHAN MOVING

WHERE THEY ARE SHOOTING BACK AND FORTH. >> PAY ATTENTION TO LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS. WHEN THEY ARE ASKING YOU TO PULL OVER, WE ALL HAVE BEEN PULLED OVER AND WHEN THEIR LIGHTS ARE GOING ON. >> THEIR VERSION OF EVENTS AND WE HAVE ON THE OTHER HAND A VIDEO, I WANT TO GET BACK TO SOMETHING -- THE POINT OF THIS IS THE VIDEO. YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT DRAWING A WEAPON -- HERE IS WHERE I HAVE A PROBLEM. GIOVANNA, WHEN YOU WATCH THAT VIDEO AND THE OFFICER PUTS HIS OTHER HAND ON THE GUN AND SIGHTS DOWN THE BARREL OF SOMEONE FROM BEHIND, YOU CANNOT TELL ME THAT IS PART OF LAW ENFORCEMENT. >> WHAT IS THE ONE THING POLICE OFFICERS TELL YOU ALL THE TIME? YOU NEVER PULL YOUR GUN WITHOUT INTENT TO USE IT. SO, NOW, WE HAVE AN EXAMPLE WHERE THEY PULLED A GUN WITHOUT THE INTENT TO USE IT. I MEAN I CAN SEE AN OFFICER GETTING OUT OF THE CAR AND SAYING, YOU KNOW, TURN YOUR CAR OFF. AND YOU SAY, NO, AND THE OFFICER STANDING OUT

OF THE CAR IN A FIRM BASE, DRAWS DOWN AND SAYS I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE CAR. I CAN'T GET MY HANDS AROUND -- AND I AM NOT SAYING THE MOTORCYCLE GUYS -- THEY SHOULD HAVE PULLED OVER. BUT THIS IS THE FIRST TIME OUTSIDE OF A RUSH HOUR, THE MOVIE RUSH HOUR, THAT I HAVE SEEN A COP WITH A GUN HANGING OUT THE WINDOW OF A CAR. >> IT IS A HORRIBLE. LOOK, MY PHONE, FACEBOOK, BLEW UP, AROUND THIS COUNTRY, OUTSIDE OF THE COUNTRY, SAYING WHAT IS WITH YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT THERE? YOU NEVER SEE THIS SOPHIE, IN OTHER PLACES WHERE THERE ARE PLENTY OF MOTORCYCLES ON THE ROAD. >> YOU MAY NOT SEE THIS BUT I THINK WHAT LAW ENFORCEMENT DEALS WITH, WE AS COMMUNITY MEMBERS DEAL WITH, IS A DIFFERENT ENVIRONMENT THAN IT WAS 10, 15, 20 YEARS AGO. 20 YEARS AGO IN THIS EXACT CIRCUMSTANCE, WHO WOULD WE HAVE HEARD FROM. WE JUST WOULD HAVE HEARD THE ACCOUNTS OF THE POLICE. TODAY, I CAN WATCH A VIDEO OF COPS WHO APPEAR TO BE PLACING A GUN AS EVIDENCE THAT

WASN'T THERE AND CAUGHT ON CAMERA. WE HAVE THIS ISSUE HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE OF A SITUATION IN WHICH POLICE CAMERAS WERE NOT TURNED ON, AND, THEREFORE, A DISTRICT COURT JUDGE HERE IN ALBUQUERQUE LAID A VERY HEAVY PENALTY ON APD BECAUSE OF THAT. IT IS NOT THE SAME SITUATION AND I DON'T THINK THAT COPS CAN SAY -- OFFICERS CAN SAY, TRUST ME, ANYMORE. I THINK WE ALSO HAVE TO KNOWLEDGE THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO VIDEOS AND, YOU KNOW, WE MAY SEE ONE PORTION OF THE TIME PERIOD AND MAY SEE A DIFFERENT ANGLE AND NOT THE REST OF IT. >> SOMETIMES TWO AND TWO ADDS UP TO FOUR BECAUSE THESE PEOPLE WHO FEAR FOR THEIR LIFE, THERE IS A WAY TO SET UP A ROADBLOCK AND START CITING PEOPLE. YOU DON'T CHASE DOWN PEOPLE WITH NO LIGHTS AND NO SIREN AND TRY TO MAKE A POINT OF GETTING IN BETWEEN TWO MOTORCYCLISTS DOING WHEELIES.

THERE IS NOTHING IN LAW ENFORCEMENT TRAINING THAT YOU CAN FIND TO PROVE THAT IS A PROPER WAY TO HANDLE THAT. NO WAY. >> THE GUY ON THE MOTORCYCLE AT THE SITE, WHAT ABOUT IF THE MOTORCYCLIST HAD LOST HIS BALANCE BECAUSE HE WAS IN SO MUCH SHOCK THAT HE CRASHED AND CAUSED AN EVEN BIGGER -- >> HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN BLAMED FOR THAT, CLEARLY, BUT IT GOES BACK TO THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN DOING THAT. I DON'T THINK TWO WRONGS MAKE A RIGHT AND CLEARLY THE MOTORCYCLES, I THINK, WERE AT FAULT. THEY ARE CLEARLY AT FAULT. THEY WERE CLEARLY AT FAULT. [MULTIPLE VOICES] >> I THINK THIS CONVERSATION IS GETTING ASKEW. NO ONE IS SAYING THE MOTORCYCLISTS ARE NOT AT FAULT. CLEARLY DRIVING DOWN THE FREEWAY, THEY APPEAR TO BE BREAKING THE LAW. THAT IS ONE ISSUE. THE NEXT ISSUE WHICH

SHOULD BE DEALT WITH, AND THERE IS PROBLEMS WITHIN THIS CITY, THE OTHER ISSUE IS WE HAVE A POLICE OFFICER THAT CHOSE TO PULL HIS GUN OUT, HAVE IT HANGING OUT THE WINDOW, POINTING AT THE GUY DRIVING THE CAR, CLEARLY DIDN'T GET THE GUY TO RESPOND AND NOW A SHERIFF IS SAYING, HOLD ON, THERE IS MORE TO THE STORY. I DON'T KNOW. >> IF I AM HUNTING AND I PULL OUT A GUN -- [MULTIPLE VOICES] >> WE'LL PICK THIS UP ONLINE, THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING. >> I AM GENE GRANT. THANKS FOR TUNING IN THIS WEEK TO NEW MEXICO INFOCUS. WE APPRECIATE YOUR EFFORTS TO STAY INFORMED AND ENGAGED. SEE YOU NEXT WEEK, INFOCUS. FUNDING FOR NEW MEXICO INFOCUS PROVIDED

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