Remarkable People: Making a Difference in the Northwest; Interview with Tony Hillerman, Tape 9

they don't know about this i'll let you know i'm in hell knows about that stuff and how can you be wrong never sure he can get right now not necessarily can't but maybe this will mean anything to anybody in our struggle with them is you have you know you could have fallen or was born there thinking that they have to look at

the bones it's the term goal and that's a term that means you know no one ever thought about the big big round reverse labor's was a role model for what's on the table and they had a solar powered had a dragon on and the day when the votes is going well the characters is a is a former browner senator brown was one of the voters who will be involved a man so you couldn't we could maybe shoulder at the heart of the

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life because boaters bridges before clearly our whole theory this adventure to western ears the bay were behind me kind of see here are her memories and western

berkeley at some of you were wonderful that that there are distinctive characteristics of western it so far well yeah i do i think western writing tends to reflect naturally the kind of people who were tracked into the west end and that they tend to be people who i haven't dug deep roots and will their family had lived in the same house for five generations as you'd find in connecticut are masters of predator virginia they can repay but what that what attracted the west landscape empty spaces outdoors and i think things like that are reflected in the difference between eastern western riding i think it's it's so for example the money's three riders would be distracted as i am right now but if robinson accountable looking in well maybe all of motherly conveyed were lovers

it was going to let some time think of the area the person who spell it all out force was like campaigning a real plate isn't the only road out he wrote will flow toilet a strainer low grade essay one time on the subject with it which i thought was at the nail on the head and he said yes indeed he thought it it involved mobility you pointed out in some of the riders with writers who who have moved and moved into overload and pop had don't don't have that sense of a whole lot of childhood home and aunts and uncles around

two third that so many eastern riders reflect in their stuff was never study when i read him a lot i think is a really good rider betsy's nonfiction the candidates at the contemporary world rich well deserved reputation he's crucified writer and he's a thoughtful miami thinks about it and expresses her favorite teachers need to i forgot all about the voters sherman i am now and you all don't think that it is that the matter is very often and not without it's like asian boomer last year how did that come into question right

well nora think of north america has a law that would think of for the american by raymond chandler my own hero he was he was very much focused on baby and the exploitation of california by the ruling class the rich people the year or comics ever bought he i think it's an avid course many others in fact on because part of the usual more than it does it's very in these days of a paper on my books reflect i think my love for the landscape the health of my most recent book ripper grounds

points through the ambiguity that we're confronted with your body and in global where a corporation wants to use lead and then inject our minds as a repository for reform for a waste ok so do you use a giant bomb under the boys fin people have different opinions on the unemployed laguna indian who can make payments on his pickup truck is likely to say why not right i mean it's not as it is not as clear cut as a lot of people might get the us troops to use it are you saving the small towns and the people live in or you save in the trees

i mean it's not it's not clear cut it myself for myself which point you'd like to save the trees but it you can really you can because a lot of our most likely did i think the people can simply didn't move somewhere else but that streak of well i shouldn't say this in some of these movements and i being as coming out of the cotton patch being eighth unreconstructed redneck spot a little street early lead as barb if you build a rolled into the wilderness area and they were it was born singer are they worried about having to associate with the barber and the butcher and the working class people the people you find in the wilderness though are the bible i mean they're

people fall but a lot of them are not people who are who have to throw down two jobs to support her family right and if you don't believe the door to one of these mountaineering stores empty are expensive or not they're not the rich and famous or not the sofia several people i mean they're great they're gonna die empty beers a mass anyway balm which really gets you into if you want to expand this thought you notice the un anti know people worry about black lung disease you know we have a rather dramatic death allen in this country and around the world in the oilfield accident i used to be a rough i were little bit is a rough time over the dangers build coal mining is extremely dangerous and unpleasant so we have one hundred and eighty two day us army every year right

but who dies nobody they know nobody within the ivy league colleges eyes right the anointed nobody the young people spending their grandfather of money don't buy dental the rabbinical my years of west virginia of killing off a few of them every year for the profit pay for your swimming coach right now nuclear power which is kill nobody in the united states has something quite different if something goes wrong the nuclear reactor it might kill some folks who are part of the ruling party really very serious indeed if the southern border of the dupont are the rockefellers or the ruling class is affected even if you sleep is the star of the how well will more serious enough toward

full black lung disease right at this at two years at around the iliad as francis leads us to your character in the korean peninsula group found julie b lee the other side of of nuclear waste dumping is preserve i mean you see people who really need the work needed jobs are in which you don't see in maybe kick in a general anti nuke why why should clarify this imam permit myself and what could be more hideous and the nuclear weapons on the other hand air pollution my my number one we talk about in burma my number one blogger blue the thing i hate the most alone his air pollution i hate

it you can see across the grand canyon i can remember when it was so much more beautiful we are robbing yourself a beauty like burning coal and oil and and where we've killed more some eyeballs up and honestly larger over the river when we were devastating parts of the country with the mission short but because the a relatively few people with tremendous access to the media arts have this neurotic fear making electricity with with the infusion from invasion the cafe in with mike small small we don't have vintage or germany or france lately you drive by a town city there's a nuclear power plant three blocks from the hospital and six blocks from the community college well more to come from start with underground right you have from

you have to you have to put it back we got it and it seemed to me this story is a good story is number one nobody has licensed me to educate anybody or to preach to him with as i've been doing so what i have to do as writing to write a sort of commuter train people ok now i tried to devise stories given that number one rule rule number two is belies supplies that will in these navajos are critically poor readers into a culture auden past things i want to see so that they i do teach them something about it

they're a very interesting culture i think all americans should know something about and most of them don't like but it's got a bigger germane to the plot you know footnotes are about is it then a fire personally i grew up thoughts on a life on marginal lead you apportion range stayed home because you could build roads are too muddy to get out i grew up with all the same color things about both growth of the novel but we don't have indoor plumbing until i was a big teenager we didn't have a telephone with an electricity until indiana later on in life we were not a flow in other words on the weather was important tourist we grow up with a sense of beauty paso in my case i grew

up surrounded by fatah wanted me in seminole neighbors and friends so i grew up knowing that we're all human beings and they're no different from us except in culture so if i see a navajo culture with values assign things that i think are valuable family care for other people a lack of a of value on revenge with pre occupied france but now how may be interviewed on his band locking people up and the more unpleasant really the better no single purpose in their idle neither the upkeep society site but there's other ways to do it anyway a lot of things about a rich and you really value whip so do i was like like a buzzard people

part of that is just what i've said about growing up the same way they'd rather quickly recognized me as a member of the underclass you know as a year person who knows what it is like to have not have much material and well ai i drove of several i drive up to the train pulls a big easy or two great hills and it's just like people so not long from porridge time year when the crops are laid by no work people sat on the front porch talking and i can go back in my mind to the front porch of my little story for my dad ran a crossroads in oklahoma sacred heart oklahoma the bpa would

hire in that month farmers are no rain to prompt deadly why were there so they're telling stories and last minute to strangers you haven't through instant recognition when you do you feel it even thirty years with native americans that there is a difficulty in your why you shouldn't be telling our stories we should tell ourselves and you go into this particular day only very rarely on a lot and when i went i have wobbled and actually only oh twice three time maybe one with that little marginal both times they were urban indians i mean it never lived on a reservation themselves they'd they knew virtually nothing about their culture

i mean i didn't i can't explain their their sort of these homogenized walt disney indians who learn from the violence there was television they learn about in india but that they can speak their language they'd only about religion they don't know the origin story they don't know the values system they don't know whether matriarchal are patriarchal that is dollar an indian city and what i am an old the wildest york city dr bears fruit they have a i don't remember the name of the day in the investor right are there new pbs was the one thing on a mosque and there's a kid who's obviously navajo his name is that we look so and this is all very authentic very anointed by the people in the back the other choreographer he's wearing a mixture of both northern plains and eastern woodlands regalia that has absolutely nothing to do with his culture and it ended it is still a dancer was

actually brought into the country by the santa fe railroad when they were trying to mike lee you know lane fred harvey outfit was was trying to make the indian dance is more interesting pictures to stop the flagstaff city brought in the hope that's right you want these wild is the effect due to us an author trying to bring out some of the cultural characteristics they don't do anything to me it i mean i live i know that many of the month and a lot of moral meaning they wish they could go by but they can mean i would like someone would like to really like to adapt the reservation line and go but they always they know they can't get on a line we'd say they're used to only having indoor plumbing they're used to having a refrigerator in there and the kind of food or used to eating it is telling a good car and a woodcarver wife the reservation most of them aren't that we sent to go by but

they're caught up by american material is the key well who's only to do when i was a young man who now does it want a generation believed well and the other was a young woman who was what i was on it and i don't think she'd ever been on earlier version of high school so she was just angry would be like a porter walking on a plaque on a wall was given day to me by the navajo tribe and expression of appreciation and friendship for authentic way portray newly strengthened dignity of traditional navajo culture it's right around the corner is the ambassador war given them a by the center for america the american idiom for

the role i played in making americans aware of the value of these sculptures so sure you're gonna i want looked frankly i wish more ready for marriage and more indians were writing about there their courtrooms themselves there are some very good ones mom and a james welch i feel up in canada but many others jean hediger charity others less these local also how however with exception tiger bone right there they write serious mainstream band and they give you a look at the greenness and far older for the butcher for sale and usually and forth more folks in

their brain or they reach an audience but this is not around that i know of one again there's a barn at left hand might be an exception it's not really an issue but if you reach a bigger audience i think was on the list of service william broad everybody popular audience at sea up or throw them out of cairo now that i know who were not drunks who are not generally dysfunctional they are a low income people and also just big the taliban and i was on the my

friend that i don't know maher in the lead up to the arena the ruling element of the navajo nation i read online or hardly any of the politicians they only one i'm done i know well who would be a politician finished a rental trouble council and finished fourth sunday of time when you use the american as a character and so far twenty two main characters assuming people i see in the characters that was only part of the points more my generation the point more of a generation of navajos the word taken our homes put into boarding schools they didn't learn their language for a wider net

perry when you're learning the nuances of line was they were born into or they were allowed to speak english i mean alcohol and so they they know navajo but they don't know as well as kimchi what ok also they are more happily a symbolic than i will hold my age know that can be pragmatic people practical people they know it's more fun to have a pickup truck which runs in the ticket which doesn't grow than they are on content as their religion and their system requires them to be with what's come down around them they have established peace they've done the proper curator marnie us

to get over it beyond our cheese and indifferent can work she is a one on one i had in fact as when she was born i'm gonna write a book which came to me in a car which was called people partners of them take an adult we've been putting on the east side of the checkerboard word the navajo tribe is all mixed up with with white folks uranium mine original dave ledoux knows in famous indians in and mennonites and presbyterian and catholics and baptists fundamentalist religion was strong native american church strong coyote coach so hodgepodge a jumble of different philosophies of them putting all the historical a concern agreed knows the head of my policeman the

navajo run into too coming up i'll be interested enough in all this to think about this week which you have to lead for been around too long report is supposed to know this was actually part of the story didn't want to didn't work so i try to make it work with the younger lee born but i've begun or is it or become a portion of my mind didn't work so was ok that the underwear bomb and new generation the catechism was teaching this was in the seventies in college and university an old yeast years of protest anti establishment attitudes ok so a sort of legend theo conglomeration of law i'm only like other people used to read hermann hesse a believe it or not and then the romantic poets in and pretend to enjoy and

nowhere should never gonna die more into his philosophy has not learning the glorious culture at his mother's knee and from his maternal uncle as you would with a real love of the of the mythology and a desire to be jam ok so that that leslie genesis of love to guess in the us it's been