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carol barber bob gave in for terry gross even if you didn't grow up it's watching mister rogers' neighborhood you probably know your way around a pretty well from b nineteen sixty eight on its been that otherworldly away sits on public television where the kind man in the cardigan talks to toddlers about their feelings their fears of the dark and takes them on trips to see how crayons are made and then there's the neighborhood of make believe leave the land of puppet shows and mini operas populated by king friday the thirteenth and lady elaine with his sneakers has absolutely sincere and we usually speech and the unabashedly corny songs mr rogers invited parodies and there were many but as the novelist and mister rogers fan richard ford once wrote who bought a hardened criminal wouldn't like fred rogers last year after thirty three years on the air or fred rogers taped his final episode but the show moves on in reruns he continues his work with children through his non profit organization family communications inc ne has a new book on understanding the young child called the mister rogers parenting book fred rogers joins us today from his studio in pittsburgh you should

know he's sitting at his piano fred rogers welcome to fresh air at such a pleasure thank you barbara you write about a lot of the everyday things also write about some pretty profound issues and parenting about children's fi years i'm remembering a surreal instant about how how a child cannot go down the drain in the bathtub yeah we'll show them oh yeah it sounds like what you're really meeting kids on their own level that's a real fear of that out right you and is that where you got the idea for that a child played that out in front of me one time making it a a character trying to see if that character could go down it to be you know just a plain ordinary to and i found out that it had to do with the drain in the bath tub that child was petrified when his parents pulled the plug

well he he was still in the tub and so consequently we knew we were a song about that you know you can never go down and never go down can never go down the drain america's on your much bigger than the water much bigger than the soap and get an itch true but children don't know that when they hear this loud rash of the flush of water in the bathroom they think they might be sucked down the drain and so just have to talk about it i mean they're people were very surprised that i would show a bathtub drain as well as a toilet drains and just say you see you could never go down such a small thing well there were many children i think to breathe this ireland should be able to talk about discipline for a moment you hear a lot of parents are disciplining their

children enough now that they're not setting limits and the nothing consistent about rules that they do have is your experience looking back over europe yearlong work with with cancer or more parents dropping the ball and disciplining their children you know barbara ca discipline is a kind of love if children didn't have limits from those who care about them they would never feel that they were loved if it if a child ran out into the street for instance and nobody screamed and says come back or or or nobody ran after that shot that child would think that nobody loved him so a healthy limits which children understand

are a marvelous way of saying i care about you i dont know about the numbers of people who give comfortable limits to their children anymore i know that my grandchildren received them all the time but that things that are clear if children know why we're asking them to do things that they often are very happy to do that especially if they feel that it is consistent with our family value children love to belong and if they know that this is the way our family does thing and then then don't want to be part of it at the end of the day and i mean that both literally

and figuratively as a parent what i find hardest is not losing my temper now you at least as mr rogers in the neighborhood never lost her temper but really as a parent you had two sons you know after a long day in the neighborhood with a good set you off you know i have a very much related way of dealing with my my anger and i never felt that it was take anybody's advantage to work to scream and yell at people i think you know sure sure i'd get angry bird there were there were ways that i had of dealing with blank are like yeah you know i'd go to the piano and no letup and also

i'm a daily swimmer and i noticed that people who have a regime of exercise have wonderful ways of dealing with their feelings and i don't mean it that it's not appropriate for people to to express anger in loud ways but i am saying that he had doesn't help anybody if you don't let them know through words amid children are going to to mimic what the adults in their lives do and so the kinds of ways that you have of expressing your anger will probably be the kinds of ways that your children will express theirs and that's not all that

but i do think that it's very important for us to be up front with our children and give them words for their feelings that's why you know do you do with them at that you feel when you feel so mad you write you know that's one of the songs we sing on the neighborhood a lot and that anger can be very frightening and now that somewhere i read that your wife said you were always so incredibly stoic impatient with your children but that she yelled like official so she ended up being the disciplinarian the ogre shoot she was never an ogre and those two sons of our you're crazy about her in fact she's so off playing a concert right now in atlanta she's

also known as a concert pianist and she is she's part of a two piano attain but joanne is a very real person and to shoot you would never have been an ogre she would have been upfront with exactly what she thought told the kids okay that's it cut out you know and as she gave them fairy cough from polemics survey and they knew what was acceptable and what wasn't and i backed her up fred rogers is my guest is the longtime host of the children's television show mr rogers neighborhood on pbs i have to ask about the sweaters and i'm sure you were asked about the sweaters that you wore on the show many many times but i understand your mother need it most of them aren't and until her death she did mother was a great notre schewe who would carry her knitting bed were ever she

went and she made a sweater a month and at christmas time she would give twelve sweaters to the six sort of extended family of ours and invariably she would say ok here's your sweater for christmas and here's the pattern bar tell me which one you want or next year corps i know that one freddy wants he wants someone with a zipper down the front well i have all of those sweaters and we we used and everyone that she ever made for me but that's been kind of a trademark as a note that the sweater in the sneakers in the sneakers came about because i had to run across the the studio floor to get from the puppets set to the organ when i was doing the children's corner and so the the sneakers just became our

third in i didn't wanna make a lot of noise by running in other shoes i'm speaking with fred rogers he's of course the long time host of the children's television show mr rogers neighborhood on pbs has a new book called the mister rogers parenting book front runners were to take a short break and we'll talk some more this is fresh air but it was fred rogers the longtime host of the children's television show mr rogers neighborhood on pbs white as a kid

i was an only child for eleven years barbara and i had to make up a lot of my own finally i think you were a sickly often write the hell out of childhood diseases i had every imaginable childhood disease even scarlet fever and so whenever i was quarantined and you know they used to quarantine people for chicken pox and all this i would be in bed a lot and i certainly knew what it was like to use the counter pain as my ear as my neighborhood of make believe if you will you mean i have property in the window you would use like finger puppets a shadow puppets are one and things on the bed i wouldn't put up my niece and they would be now who's you know that old covered with a sheet and i'd have all these little figures are moving around and i'd i'd make them talk can

i can i can still see my room and i'm sure that was the beginning of a much later neighborhood of make believe was king friday the thirteenth one of your childhood characters are lady elderly lady elaine the king probably ahead to his his genesis there but it wasn't that that particular name because it was a child who were all who helped us form that name king friday that they're to have a child was ahead been told that friday the third team that was a very bad day and and he was afraid of of those friday the thirteenth and so i just said the one time why don't we have a character whose name is friday the thirteenth and he celebrates his

birthday every time a friday lands on the thirteenth wasn't so unfair defense and so it is birthday king friday's birthday is always every friday the thirteenth and i hear from people all over the world you know if it's a joyous occasion for us it that it might be here it might be otherwise for those who haven't been lightened by the neighborhood but mrs king friday the thirteenth and just explain a few things to mr bb yes you're certainly welcome confirmed in friday the thirteenth as a fine day and may you not say otherwise think you only taken aback no well

this is like the line you ask about may and i'm it glad you did have ever been to my museum go round where you'll find everything that you could ever want and any one of those rooms all those acts the owl using to be speechless barbour around here lookin for ian daniel tiger over to his clock packages did you want a sailor that he owned an awful shock so i am charlotte on that but i would like to say that i'm clay of cheering having fresher well thank you for the services that i spent the weeks when you're when you're in your business as a kid making up voices voices for puppets and all kinds of stories and then

in when i was eleven years old my sister came and then i was an only child anymore that night i think i also read that you were overweight as a kid the kids make fun of you and then was a part of what made you have a sensitive guy beat before it was was fashionable yeah maybe so when i was probably in the fourth and fifth grades i was really quite fat panda this is the same way with with my older grandson and just recently he did the same thing that i did when i started adolescence and he's just just turned thirteen he grew so fast and so tall that a he is now quite than just the way i am you know i wear hundred and

forty three it is so you have ways of coping with being the outsider to enter ms selzer you're probably shy because of this aria a lot i think i'm still shocked i was concerned about coming to talk with you today i want things to be right i want them to be good i worry if i make big mistakes and that's quite quite a burden of time piece but of course it can help when you're well when you're doing work that you feel is so important when you were in college you studied music composition and you also got a degree in child development and you became an ordained presbyterian minister but after all those trying out i guess all those

applications you're back to it tv after that line you pursue any of those other interests music for the ministry well i feel that it's all wrapped up in and what we do with the neighborhood and what we do with all of those things that we publish that every part of who you war comes out in whatever assignment you have but when i was ordained in the in the church the ordination read like this you are to continue your work for families and children through the mass media so did you know what better than to have these different identities and be able to to wrap them all in the service of children and their

families and i think that that's when i really knew who i was when that you know i mean i loved drama i loved music and i loved puppetry and an idea i like television than and i liked philosophy and religion and but good the moment i realize that all of those could be used in the service of children and their families that's when i knew who i was why did you have a model for your mr rogers persona that the perfect adult and sewing singing is a mean your father your grandfather well my grandfather mcfeely used to say things to debate the

kinds of things that i would say to the children on the air we would visit him at his farm every sunday we'd go out there for dinner night feeling ensign <unk> feeling unsure exactly yeah and that's my middle name and that was my mother's maiden name but we would we would go to his farm for dinner on sunday and invariably he'd take us for a walk around the grounds and there and say things like i'm so i'm so glad that you come and go and when we leave a hugely eat he would say you've made this day a special day things like that you know that the gesture been yourself is what matters to me and then he would take me fishing and he was so he was a wonderful person fred rogers his new book is the mister rogers parenting

book we'll continue our conversation in the second half of the show and barbara bowl gave and this is fresh air major funding for fresh is provided by barnes and noble book sellers and the discover great new writers program which features the literary voices of tomorrow today information available at barnes and noble stores and on the way

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head a ball this is fresh air i'm barbara coe gave let's continue our interview with fred rogers after thirty three years hosting the children show mr rogers neighborhood on pbs he taped his last episode last year now the show that's on in re runs this summer fred rogers received the presidential medal of freedom award for his work with children he has a new book the mister rogers parenting book you worked with the people in your show for decades many of them stay for tech a string band and i was thinking that when people work together on a on a television show for so long they also play some practical jokes on each other on the air just to keep things interesting what kinds of

pranks happened on the set of mister rogers' neighborhood to the regina sprinkle each powder in her sweater and you know there were times when and they put a rolled up newspaper in the toes of my shoes so that when i was singing the goodbye song i would try to get on my my shoes and of course they were much too small for me to get into so the camera didn't show the shoes those days and i know i was going out with with my heels over the backseat at and one time there was this blown up of voluptuous lady and made out of rubber and huge one in my closet when i opened at the end of the program to put my sweater back in the closet here was this lady waiting for me

well we take that over that she couldn't do that in the days of live television of course that's way bb king and we began with a daily program an hour a day lives and we did that for eight years that was called the children's corner with josie kerry and i did the puppets in the music for that program and you it was all had lived on live and a most wonderful way of learning how to work how to talk when leo when the red light went on and i have to get you to tell the story and stay once and the actor michael keaton was on your show he had many celebrities on the show and he made a

little bit more mischief them the most michael work with us on the studio crew before he ever went to hollywood and that he was in charge of the the trolley and the movement of the trolley in my room and also picture picture and so there's a look a little sliding door right under picture picture where i put in the tape and so this is the magic picture projector right citizen is your audio on our hand and one day i open the slot to put that tape in and i heard this voice say i'm ready to hear your confession some oh that was michael and those are the kinds of things that are well he's just a wonderful person there than many spoofs of minister rogers as i am

sure you know over the years son eddie murphy is on saturday night live as props that the the best known spoof a reverend national lampoon also hadn't had a sketch based on on your show what did you think of those have been tied to feel about about the reading you got over the years i think most some or done with them great deal of affection i remember meeting eddie murphy for the first time over at the rca building and he came out of his office and i was walking down the hall he put his arms around me and he said the real mr rogers and mr carson when i was with him one time i said you know fred which we would never do these takeoffs about you if if we didn't like you look we wouldn't care about making a famous

there have been some that have concern me that a barber an old one we learned of and this was on local television somebody dressed up in a sweater and sneakers and talk to they said even more slowly than i talk i did not see this but he pretended that he was a high and he said now the boys and girls i want you to take your mother's hairspray and your daddy's cigarette lighter and press the buttons together and you'll have a blowtorch age well education was meaning to be funny you know and that it was done in the afternoon so if any child even one child would have gotten the notion that that was something that we had condoned and had tried such a thing such

as sexist thing for one thing that would have been disastrous and so we were able to to know about that because a family that washed the neighborhood wrote to us and told us about so we we got it taken off the air it's been wonderful to have say you at the piano while we've been talking it perhaps you could sing something for us or play something for us and maybe not necessarily children song but there's something you play for for for your enjoyment out to take us out ms sucher very good

feeling the feeling you know that we're friends well mr rogers thank you so much for talking today on fresh air thank you barbara wish you well fred rogers his new book is the mister rogers parenting book coming out a burmese on to say this is fresh air it no no pri or you know to the

best of our knowledge and jim fleming james is a rock music then she screams at concerts and georgia's rock stars and hangs out backstage no she's not a fifteen year old friend the backstreet boys she's an eighty three year old cleveland plain dealer rock critic j scott he once said i was the only middle is really the internet video was remembered irene that you know it would never wares today we conclude our four part series on music with a look at the most important person in music fan and we'll talk with a man whose love for jazz is green is the founder of the church of st john coltrane twenty two but not all obsessed fans start a religion based on their arrivals some take their phantom too much darker places i was terrified i was terrified of all the time and i slept with a baseball bat next to an interesting inmates musician luiz germano shares the chilling

story of her stalker and the song that the whole experience inspired but first the fans of bruce springsteen abbas is at his best when he performs live his concerts and musical marathons huge are running more than three hours a lot of people become diehard springsteen fans after they've been to one of his shows that wasn't the case for daniel cavity he hated the first springsteen concert he saw back in the mid eighties activity became a fan through were young woman he met who later became his wife now danica that he's well versed in crisp rings teens music he also knows a lot about other bruce springsteen fans committee spent three years talking to them the result is a book called tramps like us music and meaning among springsteen fans and to vicki is pretty easy to pick out among the thousands of fans at springsteen shows i'm still a little bit odd in the fan community in that when i go to concerts i take a lot of notes and there are actually other fans taking notes because everyone's know what song springsteen explained that one

on you know copied on the set list and things like that i'm actually not taking notes and facing springsteen and i'm taking notes on the audience and usually turn around and not looking at the stage and looking backwards and looking at all the seats and all the people and what they're doing so i stand out like a sore thumb in a concert actually can you tell me that some of these people some of the fence you met maybe the most memorable ones the ones are really made an impression on your show for sure i mean all kinds of people on that was surprising to me you know when you think about bridge benzene and usually you think of some sort of working class audiences something like that and in fact i found all sorts of people people working class people or upper class people with education without education with jobs no jobs and saw of all different ages as well what was interesting was a woman named judy johnson she lived in michigan she was older than most fans that you come across she was a grandmother for instance and she discovered springs later life while watching mtv with her daughters and it was this you know moment when she said i just have to know more about this person he

sees is amazing and she started going to concerts in fact she went to many more concerts than her daughters had ever dreamed of going to and i started falling springsteen around the country judges are doing things like standing up on the chair and yelling no global agreement during her during concerts of losing herself in that in the moment a day ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

ha ha thelma i think it is one thing it's because the whole experience of states that can be of other fans it's the excitement and feelings of attachment and connection you feel during a performance it's unity that the dialogue and the friendships that that you create with others through your fans you known discussion was almost not springsteen himself them that it's something in addition to springsteen that they like about being a springsteen fan yeah i've been visited two responses to that me was that you know if you ask a fan you know why your fan to say because of birds and because of his music and certainly you know our love with a man and his creativity and and his work but at the same time if you really start to dig into it in fact briscoe recedes into the background what becomes important are all these other social and psychological effects of fan activity in your book you write about some different kinds of fans

obsessed fans was a word i remember minimal fans can you tell me what was the difference is there are lots of different categories of fans alike she calls the politics of protest a patient harm and fans are continually trying to measure their own feminine and the extent of their love for bruce did the depth of their faith so to speak is you get all these different categories of people are thinking about you know others themselves and all sorts of different ways for that reason it's very hard to define what a fan it's a fan as always so sort of a relative term relative to non fans relative to you know fans who were gaunt more concerts relative to what the music industry is tightening his fans are the sort of thing a casual fans probably the most important when springsteen was starting out you were a fan if you knew where to find him indian concert you know it really was your fare but then as he became more more popular

particularly in the mid eighties with the unit the hoopla over born us a defining fan is all the fans there to get upset because newspapers to talk about the fifty thousand fans at the chauvinism and you know what fifty thousand fans there are you know some of the sort of raised there and never seen before they're not fans we haven't been all that and they haven't been busy and so they serve the cause of new fans and casual fans who were looking for so cleaning famine as a way so that there are all these distinctions not casual fans have come back and say what excuse me i wasn't you know usually seen bruce springsteen's first

concert i was so who is no less than the new law is because of human circumstances as as and there's a lot of competition for younger fans and work harder at displaying their knowledge then older fan so they'd memorize the lyrics to songs or they you know they can we can persepolis for the last you know twenty five concerts and things like that and if you that thats it helps them become more accepted in the older fan community but it certainly fractured and certainly a lot of problems with figure out who's a friend and who's not isn't before i started the research i encountered people who i don't think were fans all and they were calling themselves chance that they have a couple albums and i like to hear as the people who were

in my view really obsessed you know a guy would drive up is catlike open his trunk and he would have tapes of every bruce springsteen concert you know ever ever done any spoken springsteen you know he would recite lyrics as getting in conversation with him and so you know this is our world oh yeah prosecutors to rhymer says there are you've written this raised in a christian springsteen fans but you're a student of american culture your earlier somebody has enjoyed a lot of different kinds of music and their fans like this for other kinds of music not just pop music oh sure opera fans for instance are equally rapid and really you know are quite devoted to various operas

into various performers and that i think some of the first instances of famine in united states have to do with the tor of jenny lee and second meeting fifties that was marketed like pt barnum actually of all people but people were quite devoted to jenny land and into her operatic singing jazz fans i think are also equally strong hand and have the same kind of culture around music they all these people are using these public figures and using the sort of emotional power of music to make sense of of their daily lives and to create a sense of community work perhaps it has a row it what did you learn from office from talking to so many fans who and you know share your passion for professor violins i'm alone which was great actually i mean things get a bad a bad rap in media and i read a little bit about this and in the book i distinctly remember an oprah show from the early nineties that was titled the

problem with husbands whose wives are in love with pop stars i think that that was the show and you know if it was always perceived as this problem has this power fallen tree either that or is perceived as the sort of you know windsor goals of nonsense then hammer there's an episode of entertainment tonight that featured fans of the show the flying nun you know and they were running around the park a nun's habits and things like this is james are not taken seriously or they're taken so seriously that they're you know they're stalkers like mark david chapman people like that a lifetime is that fans are ordinary people they are your neighbors they could be you and we all have a lot of love for things and you know for some people just happens to be popular music and if you so to take away all of these solutions about popular music about violence about sex parties are stereotypes about what rock n roll for instance entails in the end people are in using music and using the media to do things that they've always done

to forge friendships to bond together in communities and to make sense of the situations that they find themselves in a lot of fans told me stories about for instance and handsome and dying in their family and turn into the music as a way to cope with the emotions that they were feeling in the music helped them organize their thoughts in organized the cocktails and so yeah there are i think a lot of different very human uses that come out of that and i don't think it's a terrible thing that it's usually portrayed as these pieces is the author of

tramps like us and this is a song called you're missing from bruce springsteen's album the rising dresses the events of september eleventh this is big it is

nice nice nice best job in the world for music for about a rock critic it's suited eighty three year old jane scott and it isn't my aunt and he had to try i loved it so i can is showing my eyes and jim fleming is to the best of our knowledge from pri public radio international nice nice nice nice

if you happen to see a gray haired woman with red glasses rocking out of your next alice cooper concert chances are you just got a glimpse of james scott at eighty three she's usually the oldest family audience but that as a slowdown scott retired in may of two thousand to ending a fifty year career as the rock critic for cleveland plain dealer even so scott says her cause or going days are far from over steve paulson talked to scott about her legendary career and the one that got away my biggest failure with elvis presley i never could mean i tried everything i knew he was at the top floor of a within the statler hilton hotel where the back way i had a way to get out i got to the very top and i knocked on the door and there i thought even if he just says hello i can say that that favor i solar developers and then stood there and i think he's about seven feet after

about forty why and dark eyes and he looked at least go and i have that that's right in your life even in the fact that i didn't know is there you you have that a lot of the luminaries in in the rock n roll world over the years and alarm of got to know you understand that lou reed is a big fan of ours you know why because it's my my philosophy things my theory is when you hear some of comedic talent you know much about it but you know you have a lot of talent in extra time and it is not a completely fallow iowa's ago if you don't like something you really quickly but my theory is always get their first eyes seeing him in the velvet underground remember that the velvet underground and that was a macabre just under about one seven or you know someplace like that group were you when so he is major came to the old hotel hansen and they had all the you know people that write about this now is the only one that showed up you're the only reporter at the press conference showed up in what i find

out that they don't forget that is just it for us cause they transfer and sunday know and josh episode was a way to get that out of the way to get the library in your father meant infidel ever become a good friend you always have a soft spot there and having the first went unnoticed you as a person you know and i don't know like i'd been the first ones that always in the beginning i try to do that us is not only a major have of journalists who go to meet rock star and i guess i had always assumed that there's a lot of distance there and that the rock stars would be mistrustful of reporters you like i will talk to them well i don't know but that averages out my own having a good time because i loved it so i got a show to my eyes and then it all i met paul mccartney and back stage when he was with wings and that was a wonderful interview that person for my other paper there an opportunity and didn't go there was no injuries that people instead like it but i was forty when i start out practically so anyway that

was a wonderful idea because i asked that question as a hater asked to happen it ever get together again he said nope he said they would see that the belgians had offered information to get to do it again and he said if we wanted to do it really wanted to do it we do it without any money that libya was there and remember linda that lovely wife and she's so cute finances and there were tears and said you cannot meet is inflation erupted saturday was very very interesting because later as you wrote a book you know as a writer way so that we said that was fine you know you must've been pretty unusual during all these years either probably or not to many women who were who were rock critics at the time or were you kind of unique yes and ultimately it's really ever met i don't know flattering but you know it was never where he was so nice the way you talk about a lot of these people you sound more like a fan

than a rock critic heard do you see your role that we're now i see it i am the eyes and ears of those who cannot get a ticket canada for a ticket and you're too young for something that i try to do is bring a few minutes of this the right person to their eyes and ears to get what they want to hear i do have the settlers not to print that i used to like what they did in the days and i am and what i think of it i also try to get a little bit of human interest into a physicist as they were your that you know that why i wasn't at the time that when paul simon i forgot the word suicide is fifty ways too leave your lover or you know that one and he says switching yard is that five bucks to the first person that knows a baseline that was a good thing to put their story but i try to get low human things in an attic as love to read that and i was ready for young people then to know what i think of it i know i felt very badly because my favorite at that time was still as bruce springsteen and when has it wasn't

quite as good as the other and i had to say that a speaking of bruce springsteen tour he actually serenaded you in a concert once of that was because i was the first one to write about and i went there in seventy four i was a deer gura it was so sparse with the owner and look it went out in the lobby and they get people who are in the pool room and statistical another middle of my people came to hear me now and it is particularly keen and seventy five at the allen i think at that time or two writers and they had come out and i was just hey and he was like a pirate up their yellow big hope in one ear and came over one side because he had been a little bit dark and he or she's on reducing about stuff like sweet songs and all the ways it was it was really tough stuff like coming home from a concert in reading his father in his head as he tries to close years yet have humanity and there he had a lot of real i said goodness the things that people were doing it and i really i still consider him my

my favorites practically he is so good that saab has to work for jewish lobo the first people to predict that he was going to become a priest and i was at a allen hear his name is bruce springsteen he will be a superstar and i i captured him and they try to take out as ej we don't have you know is put yourself in a spotlight that we just don't do that i said please and never again please never have occurred and they left it and as i showed it to a one time and is at the coliseum we talked in activity yet you my favorite song enola going on now and it was dancing in the dark do you know that wine is very serious ideas not about like fred astaire or something like that it really captivated losing clearly so that that night he dedicated to me i know he did it on a spring in lower because he had to do without the architecture they hadn't thought of the data they had a practice area yeah

i can i still do he's less show year when the best he's ever again you've got some of the the real icons in the history of rock and roll jimi hendrix oh yes that was a wonderful actually there were two girls waiting to meet him when he got here there were twins they were hanging out his arms and out of the senate up in a way that we can try to talk a little bit backstage when the girls are so prevalent closer to the way i thought well my title come backstage and then that night before he and we write down figuratively us ground there was at that lower level of the statler hilton to have a separate entrance and he went down there before the show and i say i'm sitting there and i sat there to talk to him and there's a very interesting about him is it any idea if you ask for the loan that can with his right hand his left hand the left handed guitar upside down you know and so that was a nice change of that was he couldn't stand any longer and he got up a tragic attack and he joined that group there

i thought you know all their life they've never love is the economists saying that jimi hendrix during this know that wonderful and that i found him away went down to the shaker heights diapers that the next day he bought a blue corvette dredge like you know dirty old black hat certain scruffy looking and this was canonized by the shaker heights an ncaa were like there before either carry his agenda known but i think he played it when i can and catch up on a hundred dollar bills on his part that he was so it's so nice so michael i mean his father later dot com and he told me that the reason he was right and writer was in his day where he then they didn't give you any credit if you're a kid and say you were at that and they said that they have given their weather events are they were in that respectful of you today they are of course you've recently retired baby you've been

going to rock concerts for for your kids and then an n and fashions or change them in here you were in your last at andy's going in the early eighties heavy metal grating feel out of place you know after a while people got to know me and they'd say oh there she is you know they don't it's a mortar prison their lives like their mother is out there's a i had a little trouble at first one person say to me i used to bring young girls and daughters of friends at night because they really couldn't go or they didn't know it was all about and so i had this girl from the highs they be early eyes go oh is that your daughter and they said it just is not the way you talk the entire always a server puts down way and i said oh no that's my granddaughter i said my daughter couldn't find his police bust as an educator and as chancellor taking back i said if you think i can't repeal the arabic and they said who was it may be it was

peter gabriel is somebody out there sitting in the front row z money prison and you know probably all private stuff and think and she said do you really like your gay were all you know as a lot of what you're doing here and i said oh yes we like each other of course we used to be lovers played out now that often happens you're five you get older you start going to the people you love affairs you still become friends who has resisted their mouth of the things you noticed i noticed i had a backstage pass it and they had a lot of respect for a backstage pass factories got orders to paulson about her fifteen year career rose the

team again as rufus wainwright is an openly gay singer and songwriter his parents were well known for positions loudon wainwright the third and kate mcgarrigle on his album called poses rufus wainwright performs a cover version of one of his father's songs one man guy the song features backing vocals courtesy of his sister martha teddy thompson sings plays guitar teddy thompson also has famous folk singer ezra parents richard and linda thompson rufus wainwright is a big fan of the song one man guy i do believe that it is one of the great american songs of all time you're going to see the show cavanagh stand for now

you're saying it is i wanted something on the record that was and that was something they were just so want that an author of course there is this sort of you know double entendre violence of the moment this is

former with him yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it is again years rufus wainwright with his version of one man died a song written by his father

loudon wainwright the fear ultimately the founder of the church of st john coltrane so we're talking about john coltrane and i just talking about this mystical and jim shannon gets to the best of our knowledge from pri public radio international it's bad

lisa germano frisk into public attention as the violinist for rocker john millen care back in the late nineteen eighties since then german is gone on to write and record her own music in nineteen ninety four she released an album called geek the girl the album features a chilling song called a psychopath it's based on germano is real life experience with a stalker but she told the strange facts first he wrote me out a po box cause i had my first record out and there was a po box on the record and you know in this letter about how it changed his life and now i get off as rock n roll roller coaster and come back to hand that god says we have to be together and you know i read it i just went oh i don't know about this guy and then we were at a concert in india to set a gentleman can concert and the security was as good but

there's some which family in indiana that they weren't as careful as they should be an end to break i got a knock on my door and i just figured it was somebody i knew when i open the door and this guy that i never saw before it's a quiet leases thank you so much for saving my life and i slammed my door and started kicking it so that security would hear and they came in as it was like i like what it's going on in anyway so i knew that it was him and then i just can't be me and he came to john mccain's house once and john had him arrested you just follow the surrounded in any way then i moved to new orleans and i lived there for about here in half and i forgot about the sky then moved back to indiana and the first week i lived in my house there i got a call from him and he was a this is karen just wonder welcome you home and draw the blood and that really set an end

so i knew that this guy knew were airlifting knew where i was see was following me and the cops wouldn't do anything about it were you scared i was terrified i was terrified of all the time i slept with a baseball bat next to the bed and i thing a maze and m and i was making this record at home and i thought it was going to be years record about silly situations that girls get into the songs came out arena namely more seriously and so then i started writing about the situation and i wanted it to be scary because the cuts would help and then i my ex husband got to this tape of the snowden who was calling nine one one call the cops and the story goes it seems us so your savings

singing yes i was a senior citizen these days he says this is

the situation reasonable assessments and sensitive times do you know whether they're ever actually heard your song now and i guess i'm wondering whether there was any after that having written an entire song because he just got stopped and there was this idea that maybe he

heard it sounded so i really don't like that it really was after i think i think it's b singer songwriter lisa germano with

a song called a psychopath the song is based on dramas experiences with an obsessed fan she spoke of and strange acts in nineteen sixty five john coltrane released his classic album a love supreme to this day it's one of the top selling jazz recordings of all time for many people the recording strikes a spiritual cord some even believe the music that came out of coal trains saxophone is the manifestation of the holy spirit that i was a heroin addict like coltrane turn into a profit why does this album have so many jazz recordings have such spiritual resonance steve paulson set out to answer these questions he spoke with bishop king the founder of the church of st john coltrane paulson also talked with ashley kahn the scholar of the book a love supreme com reveals the courtroom fell divinely inspired when he wrote a love supreme his first son had just been born john jr and so he was at home in

long island new house that he had just bought a disappears for five days and with like yesterday's clarity alice coltrane remembers the moment of seeing him coming down from of this whole area upstairs in their home with this incredible smile on his face and a self satisfied fuel which was very atypical for coltrane who has if anything driven all the time it's always thinking about music always have a saxophone in his hands to carry was without his instrument and one comment he may tell us was a finely done it i've finally gotten already and he was referring to this four part suite that still didn't have a name but would become a love supreme he wanted the music to speak for itself but there was one occasion that he

decided i'm going to stay hidden words stayed with music and i'm going to get them to him to relate it was the first time that we hear him actually talking when this case chanting on an album leading chants the famous a love supreme with his political opponents and so i think what happened for me to church and i always call it referred to it as the sound that isn't that i had when i went to hear john's preacher and at that point we have always thought that a fictional transfers of the holy

spirit from jon's porn and tomorrow and being an entrepreneur the point i was an effective change that took place in my mind and my heart what's interesting you talk about coltrane's preaching do you mean that literally or demean his preaching through his horn prison for a lot so i couldn't compare to anything other than some of the most in tunes from coastal hannah heather half as well is portray himself in his conviction and musically and spiritually and even down to the very tone in his saxophone

how dp was willing to go in his blues roots his spiritual roots to get that basically a very human types out and it's that sound that people like ravi shankar or by mail from the group you to feel less from the group the grateful dead and i'm purposefully mentioning the musicians are outside of the jazz fear speak about the same honesty in depth of feeling that they feel every time they hear this album well it for us

so we do all the functions and i've heard that some of your services and last up to four hours waiting for the service to to proceed or something thank you some of the pieces no the proceeding of the album if we suggest religious are both in maine and structure an end in the spirit of the music itself

acknowledged that has varied warm welcoming and addictive type of talent has really feels like you just walk into a church or into some house of worship the next two tunes resolution pursuance which are the most typically chance for for swinging and missing pieces themselves have this sort of this idea that the preachers preaching and when wayne shorter lines in here all things when fathers speaking in some of his songs and then get to saul which is a really personal type of prayer like dialogue between a man and his basic and what it is this incredible coltrane reading have been imprisoned on the album cover back in sixty four threw his support to the cadences

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nationalities and even religious persuasions even some racism in the quarter and so would you like to start any other john coltrane churches and in other places well yes i think that that is our desire to return ardent as a spiritual community that we call cultural consciousness and have those venues and those bodies they can express our theme music one coach and consciousness and it could mean that we would could very much see different spiritual communities now is as everton off about the course of of the christian faith and john coltrane's a good mind you know my young man and asked him if he was a person say yes i am a christian and american teaching and the christian faith in my mother and father were

christian has always been a thing with me is a woman a man those truth and he said and every man has to find in forums so many of the truth was without legal side and it was an every you know religious experience that is room for cultural consciousness whether it be judaism christianity islam hinduism ago is that there are those people that have taken their course of discipline that are benefiting from john coltrane's music that really poses were way that his music reaches out and touches people beyond that cameron also just beyond ever experienced american music music people across the world embraced this album for

the god that he's describing it as instantly on the cuff and just really believe any of this report fiona describes gotten very difficult fashion african american features the service officer as well as a sort of more pieces to approach and the song says and all of this came an end that favor of lahore in my faithful listener mac show

and in my name shall is on voters and the name is so and so this teacher john bishop king is the founder of the church of st john coltrane in san francisco ashley kahn is the author of the book a love supreme the story of john coltrane's signature album i spoke with the polls if you'd like to hear more from either of steve's interviews with bishop king or actually can go to our web site w w w dot t t e book dot origin ii and then it's to the best of our knowledge you can buy it for this program by calling a radio store at one eight hundred seven

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