Rock School; Diss Songs

This is Joe Burns. And Chad P. Hey, thanks for listening to The Rock School Podcast. We think you'll learn something. Now remember, if you want to hear the show with all the music in place, go to KSLU .org and stream the show live Thursdays at 5. Sundays at 4. It's a new show every week. Now enjoy this week's Rock School radio show. Portions of the day is programming are reproduced by means of electrical transcriptions or tape recordings. It's time for school. Rock School with your hosts, Dr. Joe Burns and Chad P. You know, you got that buddy that just curses for the sake of cursing? Yeah. And even after you're watching a football game, you know, while looking at dirty magazines, that's right. While you just look at him and go, Bob, enough! Come on! My friend Bob, he's got a

real bad mouth, Bob. All right. Class is in. Rock School. And we are back from Spring Break. I'm actually wearing a tie once again because I have to teach the young minds of tomorrow. How was your Spring Break? Where'd you go? I went on a boat. You didn't tell me you were going on a boat? I don't tell anybody. You're not supposed to post it on Facebook either. Hey, everybody out there who's somewhat nefarious, feel free to crawl through the open windows on my house. Otherwise known as, I'm going on vacation all Facebook fans. But you didn't tell me you were going anywhere. I stayed home. I don't want you to crawl through the windows on my house. No, I did. I got on a boat. I went to Key West. I went to the Bahamas. And other than that, I stayed on the boat and ate well -prepared meals. That's why you have a little whiteness over right there. I do. A little bit of a zinc still on the nose. A little tan line on the buddy, Holly Frames. I read two books while I was on

the boat. I read the Sam... What do you mean, why? Because when you read all the words together, they make pictures in your head. I read the Sammy Hagar biography, which I think I read in two settings. And then I read the Keith Richards book Life. Wow. Great. Both of them great. However, you want to know something that's going to make you happy? What's that? We're recording this show today Monday, May the 2nd. You know, it comes out tomorrow, May the 3rd? No. The Stephen Tyler autobiography does the noise in my head bother you. Oh. That comes out tomorrow. I've already pre -ordered it on Amazon. You want to borrow it when I'm done with it? You could stop shoving pop tarts into your mouth. You could announce and say, thank you, Joe. Thank you, Joe. Speaking of Joe, I'm Joe Burns. I am a professor here in the communication department, South of Houston, Louisiana University. And by the way, get the Sammy Hagar one. I know it's short. It's Van Halen, but I tell you what, still well worth the four or five hours it'll take you to read it. What's your name over there? Chad P. I had to give him a little more time to swallow the chocolate pop tart. I'm good. I'm a professional. Now, here we are. You know, rap music loves to

mention other rap artists. And they love to do something called dissing other artists, where they make fun of them. I know. There's something really great about a 46 year old doughy goofball like me using weird lingo. How do you say the diss? The diss. How do they perform the diss? Right. Are there any rock songs where rock artists slam on other people? Yeah. I can name you one right now. I can name you about 14 of them. Wow. You know why? Because I have them right in front of me. But I don't have notes. I can name one. I can name a whole bunch of them. I'm going to start since I did the Sammy Hagar book. Yeah. This is where I actually came up with the topic. Okay. Sammy Hagar was with Van Halen and I really like the Dave, you know, stuff. I like the first albums with Van Halen a whole lot more than like Sammy Hagar. I don't dislike the Sammy Hagar Van Halen stuff. I just like the Dave stuff better. Sure. I'm a Sammy Hagar fan when he's doing his solo stuff. I do like the stuff he did with Van Halen. However, the Van Halen brothers really messed him over because they basically

strung him along. They kicked him out of the group. They brought him back. They kicked him out of the group. And then they basically said to him, we don't want to be with you anymore. And they brought David Lee Roth back to record some songs for a greatest hits album. Yeah. Well, Sammy didn't take too well to that. So when he finally split Van Halen, he recorded some solo albums and he recorded a song that dist Van Halen called Little White Lies. Oh, I know that song. So this will start it off as we do an hour of rock, dis songs. He go, hey, Gar, Little White Lies, rock school. Little white lies been around for years. Little white lies wringing in your ears. You turn around, come around back on you. Well. All right, this is Rock School. Little white lies come back to Haunchy Man. Love it. Have you ever seen the video for it? No, no. It ends with a, what looks like the Van Halen brothers

and Michael Anthony shown from the back. And then it always has in the video what looks like the truth and then the actual truth. What shows what looks like the Van Halen brothers at a press conference being shown from the back. And then Hagar turns around with a zipper across his mouth. It ends pretty well. Okay. By the way, you were going to say you had a song that was a dis song. I immediately thought of Hotel California when they throw a little stab at Steely Dan. Oh, stab it with their steely knives, but they just can't kill the beast. Yes, sir. I have so many songs here that are dis songs that are explicit if you will. Lots of cursing. But I went in and to save you some time. Thank you. I went in and I took care of the curse words. I'm glad to know that you did more than just read on your vacation. Now, what we try to do here is make the curse words as least intrusive. We just turn them around. People in cut at the beginning of the F at the end of the K. Uh -huh. We put another. And then turn it around. Right. Right. Right. Tish. That's right.

What I did, just to show you how much curse words are in a lot of these songs, is I did a 600 Hertz beep. What are those things? Right? So I left it in. I wanted to make sure every curse word was well known. Uh -huh. This is the Sex Pistols, a song called New York. They're making fun of the New York dolls. See, here's the thing. A lot of people think that punk begun with the movement out of the UK. Yeah. It didn't. No. Punk actually is well more nuanced than this than than what you see, you know. And R .K. That kind of thing. Uh -huh. Punk actually started out in New York City and some people think it started in other places, but it started long before what came out of the UK. Well, the Sex Pistols disliked a band that they were almost always compared to called the New York Dolls. Right. Dolls were out in New York City. They also were always linked with the New York Dolls because they, the Sex Pistols, were helmed up by Malcolm McLaren. Mm -hmm. So were the New York Dolls. Mm -hmm. Well, the Dolls

basically threw Barb's at the Sex Pistols. The Sex Pistols threw Barb's back at the Dolls. On this song New York, which was on the Sex Pistols kickoff album, their debut album, the song New York makes fun of the Dolls from the fact that apparently their live shows were terrible. And the fact that they were very popular in Japan, but not in the US. And all they do is basically curse at them and call them, well, names that say that they dress like girls for certain reasons. Oh, listen to all the beeps. Rock, dis songs. He goes Sex Pistols. New York. Rock, school. I'll name my choice and I'll throw now your home. Your mind I talk, fair and firm. She's a talk. Yeah, here's me, Tom. Here I come. But you'll probably never show. You'll probably not show. Or don't ever show. Rock, dis songs. Yeah. I don't like the horse code. Bebe, bebe, bebe.

Save our ship. Right. You like guns and roses? I do. Axel does not take well to people talking badly about him. No, that's why him and Kurt Cobain never got along. Yeah, well, he doesn't get along well with the people of Metallica either. Oh, I bet this stems back to that episode where Hetfield got burned. As a matter of fact, it does. And this is kind of backwards, though. Apparently they released a song called Double Talk and Jai. That was in 91. Yeah. It goes out on tour with Metallica in 92. Yes. And then on the tour following that tour with Metallica, apparently Axel performs it and dedicates it to the guys in Metallica. So it's kind of a backwards thing where it's actually a dis song, but it gets used later on. Here's the story. Guns and roses and Metallica tour together in 1992. Yes. And you know, this is like a match made in headbanger heaven. Guns and Metallica, I remember the uncle went to the show. It doesn't go well. No. Apparently Metallica goes out and puts on monstrous shows.

Guns, not so much. Depending on the night, either it was a religious experience or not so wonderful. No, I heard it was pretty consistent because my uncle, again, he went to the show and he said Metallica blew them out of the water. Who opened, you know? God, I don't remember. In the Montreal show, it had to be Metallica. Because Guns hadn't gone on yet. Right. Because Guns and roses were supposed to save the show. That's going to go on early and wouldn't. In Metallica or in that Montreal show Metallica, like you said, it happened that Hetfield gets too close to a piece of pyrotechnic and puff. In his right arm, I believe. It burns it and they have to leave the stage. And they say to Guns and roses, save the show, guys. Go on. And I believe Axel goes on and says, my throat just isn't in it tonight. They perform what? Two songs? Three songs? Split. And in Montreal, they riot. It's going to be pretty bad for Canadian guys to riot. So they go kaboom, they riot, win it all over. Axel is really upset that the people from Metallica are talking behind his back.

So on the next Guns and roses tour, they perform the song, Double Talk and Jive, this profane slap at back stabbing former friends. He dedicates it to Lars Ulrich, the whole way through their next world tour. So he uses it as a slap. So here is Double Talk and Jive. And again, listen for all the beat. And I'm sure in concert he really chewed on a couple of these words. Yeah, he's Guns. Right here, Axel. You ever actually tried to clean up a song and you gave up after a while because there was too many curse words? Yeah, I did. I did that. I did that. I wanted to play a Limp Biscuit song on the air once again. Oh, perfect. Same

groove. Same groove. Speaking of people that have beef with everyone, Axel Rose. Fred Durst. Oh. In 2000, Limp Biscuit releases a song called Hot Dog. Oh, that's it. Is that the song? Yes! Perfect. Yes, it is. That reminds me of... I've tried to clean that song up. I gave up after 45 seconds. Do you know the story behind that? No, I just know it has. He actually makes a reference to how many... Right. ...F bombs he drops. Right. ...in the song. ...after I had inserted... ...it's digital. Also, inserting the beat is nothing but click -click -click and it's done. Click -click -click. Click -click -click. Click, click, click, click, click. I have better things to do with my existence here. Trent Rezner, apparently the guy behind 90's Nail, went after the lead singer Fred Durst in a Rolling Stone magazine interview I assume and made some kind of a negative comment about their music. Wow, this is the attack back. Wow. So we're not gonna

play it obviously because there aren't enough beeps to apparently stop this whole thing. So if you guys wanna hear it, go download it. Just make sure you get the explicit version. And listen to it. But an explicit version? No, there is an edited version. Listen to this. Is it about nine seconds? No, no, no, no, no, no. I bought it on cassette at Wal -Mart. Oh, there you go. They sold the edited version. It came without the track. Oh, there you are. They just completely took the track out. Well, go grab the track. But if cursing bothers you, I don't think you can get into heaven. Yeah, turn your speakers down if you're listening to it at the office. Make sure, yeah, not safe for office. He says in there, if I say, hmm, two more times, that's 46, hmm, in this, hmm, up, rhyme. Wow. He says that. Okay, you win. You're the nasty kid on the block, you win. Hello WBSD, Burlington, Wisconsin. Thanks for running the radio show. Hello KSCL and Shree, Port Louisiana, where everyone gets along, no

disin involved. No, no concerns right there. No cursing. When we get back, we'll start with the first of three attacks on Courtney Love that I brought. Three, ladies and gentlemen. Oh, please be our friend on Facebook. Search Rock School Radio Show. We'd love for you to be back in a minute, Rock School. All right, well, we just listened to the second song that Chad attempted to clean up, but finally gave up. It was by Buck Cherry, right? Was out the name of the room? We listened to what was it, about 40 seconds of it. He must have cursed 18, 20 times in it. Your eyes got as big as tires. Well, he never gave up. I'm not approved by any stretch of the imagination, and I've been known to drop an F -bomb now and again. He was insane after a while. You know, you got that buddy that just curses for the sake of cursing. And even after you're watching a football game, while looking at 30 magazines, after while you just look at him and go, Bob, enough.

Come on. My friend, Bob, he's got a real bad mouth. Bad mouth, Bob. All right, Courtney Love, Foo Fighters. We'll start with so easy on his target. Well, this one he's bearing brought on himself. Apparently, while Nirvana was still Nirvana, Dave Grohl and Courtney Love were not exactly the bestest of buddies. After the death of Kurt Cobain, apparently, civility just went right out the window between the two of them. She started posting long rambling messages on the internet about how Grohl was just this horrible guy didn't come to see him, Cobain, after his first suicide attempt. And apparently, this just went on and on and on. Just taking shots at Grohl. Oh, sure. And Grohl finally had had enough. And on one of his solo albums back in 1995, he created the song, I'll Stick Around, where he starts screaming over this huge blistering drum attack. I don't know you anything. I don't know you anything. I don't know you anything.

I listened and listened and listened to it. I don't hear any curse words in it. There's no curse words when I look up the lyrics on the internet. So crash your fingers. Here we go. I'll stick around. Here's a Foo Fighters. Rocks go. There you go, Dave Grohl and his little attack on Courtney Love. We have just three minutes to the bottom of the hour, and I have a three minute and 15 second song. It's by Pink. It's called So What? I love that song. So do I. I'm gonna get in a fight. Yeah, it's right. Not me personally. Right. Right. This one is given over to her husband, Carrie Hart. I think it's Carrie Hart. He's an extreme ex -games type guy. They didn't do real well in their marriage. I think they're still married now, but they had a real

bad space in there. He's even in the video where she's yelling at him and said, Oh, I know who she is in this song. Who's that? Jessica Simpson. That's right. She nails him. She yells at her husband, so she's pretty much throwing bombs just about everywhere she can. One good curse word, and I made a big, nice loud bleep in it. So So What? I'm still a rock star, rock school. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, I guess I just lost my husband. I don't know where he went. So I'm going to drink my money. I'm not gonna pay his rent. So what? No, no, no, no, no, no. That one hit! I can't wait to pick a fight with someone. Don't punch me. I'm a touch bigger than you, But you're much younger than I thought about it one time like no, you know, they probably know They probably don't have parties like that in jail. Yeah, probably not go there for starting a fight Welcome to the bottom of the hour. I'm Joe Burns. I'm Chad P. We're gonna do seven days and seventy seconds come out of it With

something that got underway because Richard Nixon got elected. Uh -oh. Yeah This is Monday, May 2nd through Sunday, May 8th. The seven days and seventy seconds little section of the Rocks Radio show Chad has Monday go May 2nd back in 1967 the Beach Boys announced that they were abandoning their album project Smile it's also called Dumb Angel was this two little names for a dumb angel in smile Tuesday May 3rd five years ago Four members of rapper T eyes on Charage are shot and one dies in Cincinnati, Ohio It's always Ohio following an altercation and after hours party at the city's club ritz You got out of there man. It's dangerous. It is up in Ohio May 4th in 1964 the band the Moody Blues officially formed Thursday May 5th 35 years ago Paul McCartney performs in the US for the first time in 10 years when the Wings over a Mary Couture opens up in Fort Worth, Texas Friday, May 6th back in 1991 Georgia Courts rule in Ozzie's favor when he is sued by a couple who claimed that their son was inspired to attempt suicide by his music That's too bad. Saturday, May

7th, 1977 Olivia Neutronbaum makes her US debut at the Metropolitan Opera House. It's not bad to start there Sunday, May 8th, 1988 the Prince album loves sexy debuts but is widely banned because he's nekid on the cover Well, you're being so silly today. I am just kind of home back. I'm rested. I'm tanned. I got zinc on my nose Neil Young was really upset at what he saw at least as the South the American South's ongoing racism Uh -huh, and he believed the complicity in Richard Nixon's landslide re -election for the American presidency in 1972 So he creates a song called Southern Man, okay, where he really sort of takes a shot at Southern men, okay Well Ronnie Van Zand who happens to be the lead singer of the group Leonard Skinner does not find this funny at all You generalizing jerk you

he says what do you do about it? He writes a song called sweet home Alabama Oh, they do have that line in there, huh? And he writes right before the chorus. I hope Neil Young will remember Southern man don't need him around anyhow Now it becomes sort of a rallying cry and Neil Young and Van Zand actually respect each other and many times afterwards Van Zand is shown performing in a Neil Young t -shirt, but never re -writes the lyrics Never changes them and no Van Zand was not buried in a Neil Young t -shirt not with a good Southern mother Period here you go sweet home Alabama rock school All

right, this is rock school as we talk about rock dis song I'm having fun with this topic. Not bad. Let's see how people can get creative with their art work Let me give you one that we won't play because I didn't take the time to do it Have you ever heard of the song professional widow by Tori Amos? No, okay. It's another shot at Courtney love She refers to her as star blanchor just like my daddy As in she goes around and gets other stars to have Apparently Tori Amos was with Trent Rezner for a while and the fine fine Actor at the time Courtney love decided she would like to be with Trent Rezner and use her womanly wiles to get rid of The relationship with Tori Amos, and so Tori wrote that song John Lennon oh Not not peaceful loving John Lennon. No, you didn't think that I didn't know and bed in for peace. Yeah, it grows his hair Oh, yeah,

well, apparently you got to wonder if he was attacking or if he was retaliating because Apparently after the breakup he and Paul McCartney were really kind of not friends Yeah, and it just didn't go real well for a while Apparently they reconciled enough that they could have little get together is now and again It could go exist. Yeah, but they weren't really like they were beforehand Apparently McCartney shot first he said a few things about he and his wife He John Lennon and his wife in the song too many people from the opening track of his album ram Mm -hmm. Well Lennon God upset at that and wrote the song how do you sleep? From 1971 and it's got a couple lines in it like those freaks were right when they said you was dead Who is in the whole poem McCartney is dead? Wow and the only thing you done was yesterday Wow, so There's a five shots in there near arm. Here's John Lennon and the whole song. How do you sleep? Rocks go

I Time for our second break here on rock school. Are you familiar with the song by Fleetwood Mac go your own way? Yes, yeah 1977 it came out it seems here when Lindsey Buckingham and Stephen X joined up with Fleetwood Mac in 75 it basically turned this blues band into this hit making machine Go your own way women sort of take it as you know empowering song empowerment song right tell him to get lost kick him to the curb in Reality the song is Buckingham expressing his anger at this whole situation between he and Stevie Nix really he's kissing her off If you listen to the lyrics and sort of read into them a little bit He apparently is saying that nix was primarily interested in

packing up and shacking up Getting away from him. Well, we listen to the lyrics. Wow. Those are taken right from it. So apparently the song is Taking a shot at hers. So if you listen to it and taking it as an empowerment song But it actually means just about the opposite Talking from the guy's point of view. Hello radio universe dad Salomon Kaspein. Thanks for running the radio show I can't let you 91 .1 if I'm in bat's whole ruse. Thanks so much for running the rock school radio show Gonna take a break I mentioned at the beginning of the show that Stephen Tyler has got a book coming out. Well tomorrow for us Sometime this week May 3rd does the noise in my head bother you well the noise out of the radio might bother you a little bit Because we're gonna play them next eros myth coming up in a minute rock school Okay, I said I had three songs where people were making fun of Courtney love only three Yeah, I did too already the third one is again from the foo fighters. It's called stacked actors From 1999 apparently Apparently

it's him just once again attacking it says see through but what do you know? You're just another aging drag queen Wow, what he says to her you need more blunt than that apparently it takes a lot of money to look that good Molly crew Going along on a tour with the fine people from eros myth and apparently Vince Neil said dude a lot A lot to the point where it drove the people of eros myth up a tree Okay, dude dude looks like a lady. Where the lady come from yeah long hair. There was an inside joke That they all looked like the players from poison And the people from poison apparently in the eyes of eros myth were as pretty as girls So dude looks like a lady is a shot at not only Vince Neil but a shot at Motley crew and a shot at poison awesome what the hey might as well nail them all in one shot. There you go Dude looks like a lady multi task. There you go rock

school Oh We pretty much hit every song I brought along except Carly signed and you were so vain from 72 But we don't really know who that's about so we'll let's okay skip it. Let's get to the probably the most famous one Yeah, Alanis Moore said Now here are the people that some people think it might be Mike Pelluso and he's a hockey player Friends star Mat Leblanc because it's a mat Leblanc and Flabbergasting Lee a consensus stating it was The third coolest actor on the show behind John Stamos and Bob Saggett was Oh, yeah, save cool. Yeah, cut it out cut it out. I can't stand him Dave cool. Yeah, really

hey We don't know what goes on behind the scenes apparently not apparently Dave cool. Yeah, he is much more an actor than I expected He would be apparently he's a real player. Yeah, he's a player. Yeah, apparently so here's Alanis Moore said letting it all out This is from jagged little pill the song that introduced us to apparently the angriest woman from north of the border Listen for the beeps because she yep. Wow. We listen having mom I remember my wife popping this in the CD player and said have you heard this woman? No, I'll take a listen Scary sitting the back seat if you don't mind. I'm Joe Burns. I'm Chad pre classes dismissed Have your baby