Cartoonist's Art; 9; Harry Hirschfield

the pittsburgh they're going to just sort of those big sergeant graham greene cartoonist for bringing up father is recorded interviews with some of america's outstanding cartoonist survey recent developments of the comics a narrative art form as old as recorded history mr greene's guest tonight is how her through them as cartoonist and storyteller and hours mr greene our guest today the great star of the comic strips of a few years ago is known widely known for his appearances with jo lawry jr featured on and senator and forth on the radio program can you top this columnist for the new york mirror an accomplished witty delighted millions with an uncanny ability to form gangs one after another on the air on any given sunday in constant demand as an mc or after dinner speaker it's been sedentary hirshfield

that he hasn't had to buy a meal for himself since sometime in the early thirties now carrie i said that to begin with they say about me whenever i see a white tablecloth to make a speech but i wanted to learn that these will complement that you're going to have this accolade you know major ticket coasters that was maintained no man is bigger than the calls the bigs he is yet another day another court but when a man takes himself too seriously i like to tell him a story about the finalist to be a guest on a one night and he was fixing is taught in his tuxedo and putting these huge to get a little color in the term probably to his wife she said i wonder how many really great men are in the world today as you said we're less than you think we know gone on here for hours of carrying on the stories because i used always think it would be great to be able to jump these things down at

all in the nights premiered just can't believe that they were going to let that you find that there is a real difference between the man being able to tell a story and the work that we went to enjoy it which you know enjoy more i am of course i got my reputation is drawing becomes suddenly and hiring him to talk and what i found i could get more money for talking and then but what about that growing but there i pressed the like the oral a best for this reason an innate the comic if you drop or in the written story they can look at they are a punchline before they look at the worst part of your killed here but we're telling a story right the pollyanna didn't that plays in a way because then you lead to the explosive laughter there's there's the height of what they once were these you were to hear that explosive when did you ever because he had a man in a subway reading comic put that they were not

honest and applauded yes i think is one of the points i think from my point of donors and others to a day agree with and i know who i just dawned on me i've known you for so long and been your work that i didn't even mention in my introduction anything about the old comic you did that were so great and i think we go back for just a few minutes and we will brush through this past history that you know you started way back in san francisco very strange call our star in nineteen hundred non amish girl again who and to him and i had been illustrators images for cartoons and i started the first comic when they all of comics in america was about the center of his yellow kid i started there it's a series called almost like your dog will always hunting for and it located policy on amazon and then we saw that the analysts allies to

put him in as a comic con but please one of the oldest that is one of the older sector but the one that do most reputation for an early days was desperate that one on that yet so i went to senator cisco when there's corporate owners cover theaters what i came to new york as a sports cartoonist accumulating but when i saw geniuses like ted in vital and robert egger and brisbane said now we won't all those melodrama let's that has been a continuity melodrama and shouted at i'm going on your main character yet but so you just mentioned this the genius of had those and of course this is a word that we've had is often thought of by me an anagram as a genius but can you call a cartoonist to genius really you know my definition of a genius and janis is somebody who does better ninos how they're talking about customers this is the

true i asked brisbane many years ago and he was asked the answers are no he didn't believe believe that cartoonists were very important for newspaper and if he didn't turn to which person about cartoons to get too much money in fact he cut openings at one time i had an employee itself the time i got the byline singing someday there'll be some other time and asked them i said would you consider a cartoonist in a newspaper men he said would you call a barnacle that ship sound like a really short time myself ended last few years when he was in there i did these long editorial cartoon like strong and anti years he was that not quite as bill and now this everyday beyond genius is very fitting because in our program with a look past two months we've tried to pinpoint what constitutes so genius and the creative effort from arts brings it all and i had

gotten to their little philosophy at one time with non kinetic in courting aristotle and reinhold niebuhr and a few people and writing about ourselves but you've put it so simply when you said they're geniuses doing something that only no oh no you know let's make some parental horse and the horse when he's a thoroughbred he goes beyond his own strength and he just has that extra ounce that makes him than there are red and that makes the champion of the ring maybe part of that is though what comes out in these appearances of yours or any good professional in telling you are there and we won't make you admit it but there's a little extra thing that no man gets when he's on the good speaker can do the regime above all of the commonplace well they live in harlem after ceremony for postmaster more than a name of the man or the length of time and i want

speakers you found out what was baking i find out the speakers who get over the best express what they and the audience would like to say are not privileged open them up about and now i get home example princesses if the settlement is with the exception of red when they're intrigued by that republicans anything but of the pope was up to speaker takes a look at this prize is why don't you get yourself a red tie break up next what you've said something you were leaving them of something and then the speakers of those no matter what the subject of them is to say what they think of the subject if they had the privilege to speak here that is wear and then it's our it's what they it's like it's like community singing well up here because they are part of that and i suppose that's what separates the men from the boys in this professional business of talk storytelling the man a consensus from the audio only

learned after a while you walk in a room intended just about what the palm gently you could get the you could feel a temper you can you get the vibration of that audience in you can tell if they've been a reactor not clear amal area hirshfield to the name that came to us like see i can't get back where this is too interesting to get back to the these original scripts but so when i first heard the name harry first humans on a strip called aba didn't know i never think of that policy of a bigger bagel that name can be able to claim is very interesting and a big comic strip was started by brisbane suggested by nathan strauss sr father of this president reconstruct in a desperate desmond i had that a character called doc watson visited a name like that of the chinese oranges the whole area of an economy can achieve and then he had to speak some outlandish and paul

i have to put in a russian word to yiddish words used to please myself of a few friends it didn't interfere with the continuity of the comic in and then he just wrote used to read that and he went to brisbane he says why didn't this man brought a cosmopolitan new york is a cosmopolitan city is made of them the ingredients of every race color creed in a cosmopolitan pet food and we got this and reagan about how we get the name was agreed to call him a gig and we had to get a second into well a great comedienne over time with fanny brice don't feel that you know the way back to normal and she used to use a phrase called gish difficult to say everybody was using that phrase she is a segment in yiddish i should worry but there are those that were not initiated are not a

legal basis eight ish condo and could say this pivotal this instrumental so i said when it's gonna be a in a column can live on michigan that would be income of them and that's how we get the last name and right now all of this i think one interesting things to me is the time that a victim abel came up there's been a lot about my team can read them for years in nineteen forty and then a bit of the volcker rule out of laughter distrust that boy what as i go back through those old comics and i remember the early ones that were very offensive in there all they're making their satirizing you know racism and things like that well one that ran there's an interesting thing there it was because only the comic strip and they always the offenders were broken judge in those who

use them with great care and highly exaggerated air but don't forget the stage itself was doing it to the negro was made with that style of probably wouldn't tolerate having first second and should be empty julie the big beard and they had over the years that was done of that time in the irish fought with the red beard and the term a broken always had him as a drunkard which is not true no one to have it but they used to emphasize that but when and comic like a government we avoid all of that we had in a decently dressed recently speaking in games indecent things and it had its effect on the stage it was the first adult i dr man thing and i'm glad we did it because i wouldn't couldn't tolerate these stories that they have about the irish in and the negroes and the juice it would emphasize to a point if you look back at the bet numbers you each other all i should say very few end of the stage your boy doing these

call chalk talks in those days they just revel in that stuff and then the black face meeting was all well it was a very it was the period is over but the thing that's interesting to me harry as a whole right at this particular time you came in on what could be very dangerous ground you had to cut a very fine line between people you were getting a baby you couldn't even you could of the jewish people but in a way it wasn't satire in elementary i would say nothing lead but he was at a cosmopolitan time and if you notice this year around the character of rape you had really smart dominoes followed they were like every other new yorker just so and then they went about life in dayton the operatic asian arts you're going to own five the touch also abusing it really wasn't a peddler junk during like that when they try to do in the old days if the risk and always fire stories used to have when we avoided all those things because they were

alive a lot of people and we don't want that now well now there's an interesting bit of the psychology of humor too i think that perhaps you for several reasons really carry it off you said you know that there was an enemy nixon or cruelty and maybe it wasn't because there's that's the last thing that were never enter into you very harshly on but also i think that you're being jewish were able to attend the july maybe a kid i know what what one heart at it that way yeah just like mom nominee was a period of a he can make a lot of jokes he's an irish catholics who makes jokes about irish let him know when i was a door that's right we can laugh at ourselves we can't laugh at the next vowel in the first place to have richer man tried to drive the psychology of another race he gets near it but that complete or doesn't get completely there is a little touch of that synthetic about

their man talking about the irish and jewish identity you know and try to that reality or i wonder if that might be part of the reason the brisbane brisbane it's in the aviation business first of the end of comics in the region that there was no slapstick there wasn't one comedy ever was slapstick in a comparable going on those on broadway bank now that these people talked on all subjects of the world at the time and it became an instant hit not because i was a boy a clever of on the subject matter of an adult comic because for the first time that we see people talking about the things they were talking about it then and i talked about them on the internet or go to operate they would engage in automobile because they would go to the country and i would do those things but never been a felon edwin bob's a new decree well ron paul is a matter of family he was this and i had him smart

and among the first gags of it the other thing is that in my mind and one of the early ones maybe was arguing with a waiter about and there's no charge and the gag line was that and it's not the principle thing is the ten cents that you know that actually i used to feel it wasn't my idea that happened when joe fritze go in i was in a cafe with him and he pulled an answer we call the manager of your job he said damian father goes into one of these terrible communal questions near the waterfront of all over the place and he recognizes in the waiter a fellow that you thought he went to school with him and he said was always add to the waiters your name sam martin so yes so did you go to ps twenty two and suggestions of what my name is ed rappaport i went to twenty two can you imagine the

meeting simple any dylan waiting in it as a waiter and i don't like this melissa is i donate your what's your excuse boy you know new rights to hear if there's any if our continuity that breaks a n n n doesn't give you a chance first tory forget the continuity because i would love to just make a buck to three hours of stories along i think the interview should last time interviews lasting matina story and i wanna be the same day even as authorities first lady and analysis and he wanted to get john goldman great producer to hear in one of the really going to get really never got to go find any gold became very sick and went to a hospital in this unreal author on that was pulling him and when a nurse wasn't looking he sneaked in two of the room locked the door recent mr gordon mallory my plate and you go and said please the darker side of the dead in an hours of this law is that reportedly

that's about it i have this so i'll be able to go back and tell some the stories at home to my children and my wife and so forth i'm a little paranoid can be laid down for telling a big story but under few do's and don'ts that you could tell us oh yes i'm a great believer in this i'd rather tell five stories to get right to the point and joe won a long hidden story log only two words and everything and by the time accompanist and it's nobody's around the scenery or care short right to the point but of course some store to go along because the ingredients corporal but there i'm a great believer in no extraneous action and ninety two hours in gaza say at there were two thousand cincinnati you said on a word that was cleveland and so that is not in iran tear apart the story in it about whether it's cleveland cincinnati i've heard

stories like that they seem to be intrigued with imbalance if they're embellishing to the point that they get funnier in the embellishment of the gags about the climax well only thing is it to theaters early you on the comics that i think will have a place in comic history if you're at the history of comics a little stand industries another thing but it played its part and don't forget in those days we had an empty venues you have to do at least to draw there was no big syndicate know if you were the reason the hearst paper that area to get that thirteen papers legit they didn't get in would you believe that one time in days were days when i had him in a spot where i couldn't get a march and they have the house is up for four hours till i could find out how to get a lot of that there's a value they used it with a fourth wendy uses the things

the notion that effort that one for that people in my head and be a felon well cause it had been very very but he actually he was the first thing that i saw me how you you were offended but i didn't and i didn't have a different thing though i used to have it from complete in a cell with another hangover from barrow to watch the next day but i believe in the cat today they have a script of a thing like that of these are valid and as they go on without special fetish but i hadn't finished every day so that the man watched it for the first time he got the credibility of the thing that they want to have another day that has been but if iran and for the first time he got what the sense of a thing once that was known as the hard way this is great seventy five weeks and a schedule you know at the paper next day with these fellows are the iconic six months in the manson began to figure what

styles will be in six month in the name of arkansas business are lower so many things here and there's one last thing i want to be on tv and they sort of went back with overseeing the form such a nice thing i believe that stephen becker said in his book when he said that to describing a dea agent is a strip which ran over a quarter of a century ad and whitney character to american comics and destroyed forever the unprintable ridicule of minority groups once so popular then we won't even in belgium and because we have previously but i wanted to get that in low one says about minority groups no man ever be worried about being a part of a minority in hawaii by definition of a journey that some minorities been careless with a membership that you you said something to a while ago that i and before him on were speaking of dialect and i ask you that ever was an offensive going you'd always get somebody that

meant but i did i won't go so long slog the only people that never got angry at stories about themselves with a scotch and there's a reason for it once you get there you would get paid but as i have enemies guardsman this to a green mr scott i am that and i emerged and i have been working on it because i'm doing gigs you know it and i want a candidate that they wanted me to new irish talent i tried it their pickups got would say that the problem of irish i was at a dinner one night and there were some follow up talking to bishop sheen who happens to be a very different kind of problem and then he and his fellow had an academic interest in irish an economist a pointed question that she had really given its a human endeavor the bishop this was a division sheila bair sure wonderful people would why aren't always fighting among themselves and bishops isn't any way met with the whole issue of waiting earl

very mythical one thing that could be written a new comic strip on your career and this would be the last on that career because i only got about eighteen good stories all feared yet but understand it when you began you were sort of a perfectionist and you began and an almost ended your career immediately by trying to perfect these layoff to the papacy pictures and take them up in so i don't know if you even know about the new reading and i was amish guardian knows it and that billing colin can finally in venice hotel collecting these are they which is on the buildings are in danger and they came in a leading parties in the retouched it was also a factor and i thought the tiger bread made at that picture so i squared it up and it got an additional payment was standing straight up the legal authorities that if i had a few weeks to study a little bit for that event on how you also were all require long a bit of babble seems to me

you and that your first had an argument one time and that you're back in for only because they woke again appeared with another reason for that mr brisbane was against people going on the show business and then i was invited to peer pressure appearances and i went to london the london liberal the pope later hammerstein's year then that would later become the lender in brisbane and was there so accomplish our government employee said to me come back i have discovered news to somebody who's so you were in london you are no matter how great i could start it now and they are i know top bottom of another one but oh do you think is the biggest category because the gags or throw in categories are what gets most often just like in college pertaining to men and women marriage and ham or anything else on their

engagements or anything where i'm going to go and mostly about marriage and i want a word on that i'd like to hear a limited my favorite who got married after a few months as what they're strong america the second time and they said to the second wife you can change the house to soothe yourself but i have some in the style to feed for my first weapon or her hat is in the closet people mr victor hugo's monsters he she passed on to an american a third time he said to a third lawyer and i wanted something i have a very sentimental feeling lighter first two wives that helps out of the closet the next step it goes up and the authorities didn't know it top is put in the spotlight now he's being delusional and on mary sure

we're going to call marriage has been fighting with the wife and she said think that's twenty five years of my life and said my heavens with though your best oil well as harriet and all going on in what i think is a unique the layout here this is riverside radio is located in one of the biggest churches in the cuban this disappointing part is that yes this is new in the wire and i literally thought i saw a riverside number of displaced but i think this is the greatest church idea i've ever seen in your living church now when you have with part of the trip from all those things that the church's ability to represent culture art entertainment you're giving it to an end and fostered by these people and you're doing it with people in all their work and it's

fine and you are respected and a man that comes in those parties will use its radio is gonna be in the keep and the spirit of the church i think this is about the most wonderful and i am so i'm really surprised at the sitting here in london i never was in here because i was in the church but i never was in here but since the senate and it is wonderful it is great in it we've gotten down to just about the last have no degree you know we ought to just find what comes on after this program a big cut into it but just in case they don't really listen the last half minute one last well i would say to you mr bernanke agree yes mr gary hart film and this at the finishing like this is my feel right now like to go work for concern for twenty five years inside out so it's a canal at a recommendation and said ok so the game will only cause pause may concern mr blevins worked for me for twenty five years when he left i was perfectly satisfied i'm perfectly satisfied today

hasn't been wonderful that they really weren't you but listening to the cartoonists art with karen green cartoonist for bringing up father was the greens guest this evening has been harry hirshfield famous cartoonist and storyteller the cartoonist artist because they are the metropolitan fm station of the riverside church in the city of new york anyway please the

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