Malcolm X

?i'm? [Malcom X]?things? for integration yet but and yet when this so called neg -negros trying uh integrate the government doesn't support their efforts in- instead it compromises and deals with the segregationists as if the segregationists were someone worthy to be uh compromised and be dealt with. with. [Host] Up to now uh negro demonstrations in the south have been marked by their non violence. Uh do you think the uprisings in Birmingham marks a new way to gai- gain their objectives? [Malcom X] i don't know uh about that i don't think that the objective th- the objectives of both, of the so called negro at the mass level is integrational. [beep sound] Our pe- our people want freedom, and complete independence and they uh have been ?thoroughly? influenced by the religious teachings of the honorable Elijah Muhammed and now know that our problems will only be solved when we can solve them ourselves. [Host] Now what do you mean by "so-called negroes"? Well we say "so-called negroes" because the honorable Elijah Muhammed teaches us our people originally weren't negroes, and and and black people the ?world over? refers to us as negroes. The only ones who come under that term are are those here in America. The descendents of slaves and and and as such the word negro is a stigma. But when uh uh uh a black man doesn't run in to the same thing. ?and? He refers to himself as black like an African doesn't run into the same thing. The only one who's classified as a negro is us. So we reject the term negro as a role over from slavery and refer to ourselves as black. ?Same? with white people they refer to themselves as whi- white. [Host] I see. Uh what are your plans for action in the current situation [beep sound]. [Malcom X] Well we're not involved in any integration struggle. Um, Mr. Muhammed's program goes on as usual, which is that the only solution to our people's problem is, is we must first wake up clean up and then stand up [beep sound]. And this is done through

through religion, the religion of Islam. Rather than trying to force ourselves into a society that has already proven that it doesn't want us. [Host] How does your group differ from the other anti segregation groups or don't you consider yourself [beep sound] an anti-segregation? [Malcom X] We're definitely anti-segregation but we're also anti-integration. Integregation. We we differ from the integration in that we feel that integration can only camoflouge a form of segregation. No where in this country is there an exmaple [beep sound] of where integration has has ever worked. Usually it's a uhh dogma or philosophy. It actually clouds the hypocrisy of of the whites. And every effort, every place where an effort has been to bring integration into existence [beep sound], it doesn't exist today. Washington D.C. is the best example of it. So we look at integration nothing but hypocrisy uhh and segregation is unjust. The only alternative then is separation. This is what Mr. Muhammed teaches. [Host] What sort of effect does this have on the northern negro, the situation in Alabama? [Malcom X] Well um it's, all that it's done it has shown, it has shown negroes in [beep sound] the north and the south that what Mr. Muhammed teaches is true. You can't have integrat- integration despite the promises of the white man without bloodshed, and uh th the negroes in the north and the south c-

can now now see that when Mr. Muhammed ad advocated [beep sound] separation and stand on our own feet, the white man accused him of teaching hate. Martin Luther King advocated integration, forgive the white man, love the white man, and the white man sicks dogs on Martin Luther King so it creates a situation where here's a negro laying on his back, trying to make himself a doormat. For- For whites, to please whites and the whites still aren't pleased. They tell 'em to turn over on his side or turn over on his back, or turn over on his stomach, they ain't even satisfied with his Uncle Tom uh act of laying down and letting them brutalize him. [noise ambience, low level speaking] [noise, ambience] [noise, ambience]

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