Exploration Into God, Tape #2 Air Copy

Relation of pantheism in eastern religion is the kind of thing that I was trying to say. I mean, I would be very interested to get your reaction for instance the kind of position I was trying to articulate and whether in fact it speaks to you where you would want to differentiate yourself from it. Where you would see if indeed there is a difference in what I was saying was pantheism what I was trying to distinguish from that was panthetism[?]. I mean does any of this ring any bell? I think the distinctions are a little difficult for me because I'm not sure they were talking about the same thing and using the words pantheism and pananthism. of the detroit medical center the reviews

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because i and i and one of the reasons why do but always spoken to me is ultimately these filthy in their final state in terms of communion wrong you know that i mean he rarely is work for one relationship means their twenties is in the beginning of the relationship is this related to this with the type one which tammy fundamental an irreversible and i think to me it's irreversible and for all expressions of identity and identification which earned her long way where i don't i'm not really haven't won nevada's a little bit of auction of the individual is right i think that as i sit here at this question that i it doesn't disappear really quite goes because of her example you decided to come here to those

meetings on a date but got here you're here and you're not the same until next june apps and make many others operating here still and i would think about raising the question that we're on the farmers unlike the book that there's a anybody as totally this personally moving about among us as an i in there as something that is not just part of all that i mean weibo doable if you at all you know a creation of the nineteenth century is to target places to find it in their own experience that when they experience both of these states of consciousness was a complete original one of the change in the interactions the ocean

he was born here in rio calling for his disciples of followers because he wanted to share our sensitivity and bolivia both it was the million maybe you will do this story sorry

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growth in gray's initial praises the operation's arms because the more and more i think his ascent occasionally becoming or so but i bet there is to the ultimate it isn't really tender tail has already there we got a perfectly into the process yes i'm in that the ruling party of all people live in lives of a lot of vision western theology and within that tradition this is how it inevitably they expressed that even within that tradition what you're saying is evil a separation is also and a long strand one's way of seeing even times of privation separation allegro non latino immigrants is more dynamic disobedience saw in terms of history at times of historical response off the phone and

i would've thought within the no then the christian tradition and vigor in the biblical old testament addition there's a strong strain this all the history of being taken this is the time being the milestone song the live the comic element so far being aimed at a christian school in fact it is the christian coalition much more least religion which read a little history and the significance of history and the movement goes ah and intelligence arm and this is the just think of the christian coalition has been a problem in i know these people some read that booker says a limited rv parks and cyclists at this police beat every bit as much as saying though some of these well

mythical things like a comic to avoid it i have always thought of the results if these jammers and those are because as some other world in honor of these defendants or the state of the now and its evils and that question right there pitching questions actors thought as being very much of an outpouring of anonymous party was present and doing something about that i wonder if we aren't they are only reason to start phenomenon in the west hear of the manson would do within the position because of the apparent in that for centuries and centuries and his other people be spared any noise of all the church and is wondering whether it we've always been two thousand years like this kind of theoretically you in society or whether this is the role of the reasons along with the rise of secularism that is the

job of a percentage is that you cannot do something about the good ear the room up on the case and i'm a volunteer for a way to do it on not that i think it is also true that well it was conceived as possible medical bottom and this is a quote been a continuing strength in in the christian tradition why is it for the nation's immigration problem and this is this one as explainer on service maximum least in our culture would have this sort of balkan creation many would say that

in his second rotation so far as its design that provision which so many ways have been seen and they've gone but in fact that all these men at a particular view creation that in fact this was liberated in this and now i'm matt at our age thank you see it colonel so he's right his

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that you know that they get thin in a fundamental way we promise to vote not through church so much that brings people to be more than most actors are people but through psychological sciences of us we can affirm a sample and there's no man it to myself in my analysts phenomenal my soul of all my motives but we don't touch him but you do that a bizarre you say this is my point that this is a bad that the beaver well no but i mean the only given by the minnesota that time in the event the event that they now a mandate isn't necessary take care he's with

me yeah yeah oh all the time i was why we supported this week by we did this but the fact is that resolves of that show created her is really wrong thing that the touche in chile had a getting mad mix up in a sense they are mixed up and the problem we've abramoff suffering always in supplying them and on the one hand you know say yes russia must pass damon this is falling from the human suffering in these forests of that disease in from south korea may be caused by either write it but i think i would want to go back onstage and ultimately they

end a good thing is the good well and you know he's the evil will and i would have thought that i like you may bring in all kinds of psychological insights from lion's share of douglas well for me i can finally get away from the ganges of good and evil in action these iconic myself responsible i'm a known all sorts of things may explain why it is that i do think that good will either will do remain as then it comes to me to believe in this area there are there's a limited their freedom and most people are not

running psychotic to change is that i have it's a very limited freedom and the more responsibility over the gospel of good and evil well i think we make decisions every day one more example night and i think there are good and evil will a person's as a memoir nobody believes that rebecca reveals the world will away think that there is and i would say this is a bad thing that we go inside an intimate history oh really here other people's will all involve the president on the iroquois enjoy this was a vote of the senate now

but what about that i mean i think there's something we do is that we don't say as an evil i think a member station kpcc you know so maybe you're right he really liked her you know this is

continuing it phases out what the correct grammar that they're in this like there was freedom there was the more money that they were like there was a great time this is awesome there it is lying areas racial issues are here now

any questions solomon is saying jews this episode is for you and in this that you're going to get a dozen businesses that you

preach i think that he's preaching that does not and some of the interviews that they'll figure and that's assuming a while is dealing with we're people who are beginning to think themselves articulated drawl i mean that comes amid raging of a lot of problems but a dozen talented you preach images of faith which you're preaching to the relationship does not like the way it doesn't become law the new being in christ says puerto ricans are now i'm a lot we are doing at this point seems to me is trying to feel a job is about amazing tried to articulate and we all levers they said doing it makes clean a mixed group frankly to larger group thought this kind of thing i mean what you really want is about a dozen people sitting donald ayer where you got that a

wide variety of backgrounds and are legitimate reasons as we have gotten this is that has been that that they'd never been operating in a group besides just my question on so there's all kinds of things never really don't often surprised in the slightest were six and sons is very awkward surprise mystery goes far at all but and this is a question i understand it and this is not the nfl large at on mondays at all now all the holidays or politics or anything which would be in exactly the same say you know modern world because we have no one common universe of discourse and m and if one wanted to have that picture for instance and then i don't know i'm an app this is really good i cannot accept that means that the student

saying something in iowa may not be innate is saying that it means the people another was a disease we are engaged intellectually astute which i think the public is understanding prices across the barrios mr norman paul ryan in groups where we we use a common language media are reasonably happy and it's a tremendous challenge is what it is i'm this is not in itself reflected and on top of all of the flu the new testament that's right i'm drowning

this is it take to take a more rational and how they work we all know the worst thing is tomorrow morning session bruce robinson who have been

trying to do this in making their demands in a report and i think perhaps more will come out on that from that designation i just said i was one of them and they are leading to als or what would you say that has the same ring of good news and an inability to people don't weigh their present a real quote the other thing i think the obviousness understanding what words are given to jesus with an adjustment so the body of that are and on followers seemed remarkably step in and begin with as a way of the early church in that provision on the beginning would not suggest that it didn't get a cluster of that simply i think the mythology of it are ones rejection of that region very creepy

somehow it's prevailing character in because as you and us news and world report he had the bands the kitchen cause against god is that god is alive and billy graham and emmons ran along at gunpoint by an owl christians are there that is there's all asians are very much to impact on last visit to the summit as as this is what it is and this is fine and when you get through reading that you wish list got repaired if he isn't it got a call they had really had it is a veritable goes for the no question in that the sunni simply the people but it's all wrong and the question about something more righter less brawn have begun

oh any idea i think to begin with now the problem is that i think they sensed a major american incredible are saying now this is not in my judgment miss it and on the continent we can use a great deal of this as the psychologist themselves been constant except that i've missed them uploaded can you give us and the solar classical tradition or on the mission and i mean we all of us think in pictures of loathing and meth all of us attempt to relate reacted to walk we can visit lies and

that's flying good television where we can once more do this interaction through the ones that are my wife pfleger knows the nih the mega regions where it might go wrong but i said i think that scientists find a breakthrough now if you think that i mean i wanted to try language now obviously in ways that i think god is trying to do something no we immediately if they do it on the members that way so i don't believe in so maybe we will

working through it well get this language really is and this is you know that that's just a hundred years ago on a blue abide our galway in an ad of uneven song he will vote with this is a romany they tackle ministers that the absolute missile attack on the fundamentals of golf oh yeah no longer and it was that much that we can feel this myth is trying to do and to say that the times is extremely destructive but i'm in for our children when they have a much better idea of an enemy is about lebanon's all if they use it i had a good ear and the author of the price of our body of the fundamental thing when a fan community a doctoral is not an iphone july

theology it on it it is the reality is all the human civilization which is represented set we really get and since on events this ozone is trying to prevent that i think we may have a community they're not out there is then i would infirm there has no consciousness or human beings then when all human life is finite distinguished fellow has got a really beat it you

know he would do in fact what they got some that within the human consciousness then i think the size of the consequences are overdue look at god image on tape being art thou art in which we sort of imagined although i mean this is going to get it we got an imagined audience somewhere great and communicate and there's nothing wrong with this meyer complaint is that in fact this day like a cement area people experience which they no longer really get these things on the periphery of veterans see comedy show anise all over nevada are everything else my concern is they're identified on with what is most real for people this is

philip's of concern well people read i think matters to them and then ultimately this is where dog begins to have meaningful now obviously a good deal this is concerned with a cell phone in their convictions of conscience and ideals relationships and up and for him and many people i think this is the place to stop this problem not in a great customers so bottoms those old wives' busy not to say the daughter is and isn't a simplified and so i wear is the point that you can then counter where is the point well thank you something that's right which is

meaningful and real an ultimate goal and i would certainly not want to identified by any means simply with a heroic human consciousness baba god is to remain in them through this as he is to be american through all our relationships it transcends all these relationships and cynthia's hosted by them but walkie is apart from these relationships are outside these initiatives i just don't know i know that i am clean it into these i'll identify him with these but it's unclear except in through one who will go by night lark by which were on it meat senate met by claims and grace come through the relationships we met a parking meter as you say nothing but god the courses you have to question that already but since the student know the question

was writing it and i'd say that i have been doing here use of transcendence obviously not a male senses a day remove things from him and i don't mean that the timing and what you did made i think to say that not have permission of the principal of forest lawn is accurate it would also mean leaving room for transcendence occurs not to leave room for is an affirmation is an affirmation of thing is limited to we explicitly relationships that they have a specific thousands of the readers experience or order in the world were but the chancellor's really yearning and i'm prepared to say anything about him beyond what can be known that

well now that has a is in the andes that was i think that i want to set that transcends is not that heat is our love all or is it a well as it were either side out there is what i want to say is that to all experiments in your experience that is as i understand it an openness at the mention of which stops me and their aides conceiving of this is so close to the us in the way that i think a humanism off and secularism dollars but that in through all the relationship survived that comes and meets us something the lancet which we cannot speak and so far as hell is something that cut through great and that transcends anything that we can define npr

humanistic popular naturalistic actors but the great to it it does so a person huguenot torte but i think it is the puppeteers be air this is yours you it

is and yes the conceptual environment the experiential orleans the city today thanks liane where we are right now is a disease that you know life and he's right now i think is ron paul ii this is the human condition it

is and he's right guidance now know it seems to me not a particularly because i think the greatest not be a i'm glad you are with me or are human beings reliable call is right

now patients it really is right now is it just me i am he's been

using and the reason is the grass ms bee it is nunez why it is more a matter that question and therefore that

was as a man but i think the experience of god and so certainly so as you describe it is not limited to nor is it needed to expand are coming but religious symbols that the though it is more often than not religious symbols but there's reality too these specific moments and they just and other fruits to enter the innovative mental competence and it just isn't something out of like now that was in britain and in this role as a dog but they were saying about the response to the universe

can vary their words can guarantee that we don't limit this to those who used the name or know that a lot of those there's an answer to that question itself yes i want i think i think it's an online show that the iranian says the logo on it in the world what i was trying to say i think in this strongly all cleaver and this is this is what i was talking about a second and just as

st americans they use a luminosity of all things to the presence of god in this opera myself now beginning to talk about the pr light of the person that through which it is reflected i find that i have nothing i can say that those weren't that most of the mill i was nothing that i want to talk about and this is i think the point where i want again reticent not in the nile in the slightest bit in the sense that i can and to speak of god in so far as he comes through to me through the relationships which are involved and yeah

any indication this is great and i'm standing there or this physical existence essentials is still standing they're so often having it has in fact been justified visit not wholesale good of the world is ebola always go out of it in order to be we go or the door

to this this justification elements in some imitators of years and is not what i see in the gospels but the basic rhythm seems make it is terrible and indeed as a watery day in a place like this week encompass both because it gives us something and indeed i've i mean i won't get out of these robot pets and if it is to survive in the thing like this one must go up to have this solitude as long as the service isn't an innocent bound up with was so often has been the basis of a false as this is i think in the christian tradition but actually our man who was tons and tons of other weak year before we came to disturb the solitude so that the few minutes we read between events in various things to do this present and a wall

and disability me and my suspicion is that if you live the best quality in fuel and unbecoming aspects of walking home this is a surprise so do i

it ended symbolic speech i think there're two factors here one is to see that they won't one is trying to say is in fact not simply a reflection of one's own limitations and that also say and would have run some christian but it does indeed a great deal of talk about obviously has been in this role in the small creek and online there is this constant gratification of symbols possibly to manage your pictures and so that also i think they are somewhat different logic behind our

projection we do you can do these in themselves that are in detroit are not necessarily themselves of christian also a christian but i think that those that have a great deal to do with the way in which we do all or a thinking as i said this whole supernatural absolute protection and the division between if not three layout in the universe to an ad for the supernatural well this is i think a pretty distinct their western wear think now this is this is a new prose was a christian based and on the moms recognizes this and be prepared to discredit the whole family you can find answers well get which just representation

in human patients infections and made that too so the question i have i don't wish him the slightest to suggest that personality is not a cap catherine in which one can and must think i've got a great deal of our way of expressing this rising very unguarded moment no invitations have done and i think by most have all the best but in a great deal of popular preaching and populated knowledge in la and saw it as this is seen now and then i think a lot of it is this is a distortion it is

the theology it's been borrowed and again the musical experience though the white house everything

you're welcome this is and mr oh well that decision reversed that along with that very much and i'm not turning that what we can to send my psychology of the major religious experience and you can discern a video kind of a virtual reality

experience the reality is so i added make the point that no particular rejection of experience it's a survey and again about the fact that there is a point that it sent out across my brother does and they were back and seventy pound it or a sad for the union is that they have so if you see visions of images don't think in a search and they may well be projections are a view important thing is not to shape the interstate the rwandans can't use are very uncertain at this point doesn't say that that which he expresses and they must cope relationship is not the element of a valley venture dollars or what happens to have a lot to do with the conditioning events now

they are and therefore this is the argument from the broad statement that the end simply dealers much less to it in terms of subject matter and topics that we thought i think here's the thing is wrong i was in character but what we can say i mean for him of transcendence i've chosen is my this is the other point but say are not department of theology bernie their their underwear compartmentalize and apple wants one exception maestro or worse than caring upward was in survival than on ballads that selection a long slow decline that i'm talking about i think invariably delivers a certain kind of two five and open carry is an avatar places and what privileges and we're talking now about

the life palin is taking a pause from the meaning of is proud of the male and the help and when you talk about a gentle light i think we're talking about psychology of personality and other purposes gift from the subprime metro they let nature persons collisions i mean is this i think it is a religious thing what is good for people if you want to do the grand adventure your commitment beanies sociology and urban planning the country's openness is only an especially to those two guys i don't have any word from on high and echo that it tells us what is the good in this report that we are so that they're for theology at them to larger number but we get right down to the core matter

i do well i think when you do but blinder says one of things that i want to throw up a question this morning is how on this eternal life in a tunnel like a psychological test yeah it got a lot of the new testament seems to me essentially a relational ray allen said all being in relation to this eternal grantland being inaugurated being related to the love of god is being held in this is as was quoted back to know god and jesus christ and this is the timeline essentially a relationship so that we just got an inexperienced now but really is

essential it defined by the fact that it is in relation to this ground the colleges and the psychological thing that has such an automated mr beda foreign ngos have a naturalistic jobs and no majors since may no almost to me the definition it isn't going to be with the landfill songs and have to help our listeners a bit of both we do this basically is defined well so i related inescapable to this problem being in love and awe and look this is a theological get rid of all sorts of

psychological thing you can't say about the nature of the psyche and possibilities of survival estimate that this the meat is september fascinating to the basic theological conviction that eternal life is something in relation to this round which we go i don't disagree with that and therefore more careful distinction i may not use the word internal life or the first programming the question of human first ball catchers individual survival forever with that do believe in is the more plausible the two agendas that is to make a not a psychological question the sense that it is they imagine a thing or something that you have to look at say was the person think that way but i mean his psychology in the sense that it has to do with the nature of human personality is is that is a human being so made up that he

survives the death of this body or not you get them to give it still is something universal about everybody and not a gift a resurrection to be let know that that i was in the back i will say eternal life as a metaphorical degree has a great relationship to the ground to being through jesus christ or otherwise as one as light on whatever quarter one has it up frozen and his prestigious prize is a theological matter of course it is but the sense i believe in individual person is a viable the point at which one will come into some kind of conscious relationship with ground was being could be after death before their long road originally a gradual unfolding a reality and relationship that letter in psychology there that that i would not leave in an

eternal life beyond the grave as a special gift for the few unless i would say personal survival by nature as a plausible hypothesis all of the bishops robinson and kind of discussion from exploration without a residential some in iowa the us land institute big sur california will return to expiration date on falling station identification and that was it we continue

now with exploration into god i lived to the residential seminar held made thirty three fifty to be as sundance kid big sur california we're now the final session of the seminar led by major john robinson and his wife ruth mrs robinson begins just save the mood this morning our advisors insisted to listen to iraq is i have in fact made it for about three months when i first wrote it and the circumstances are whether by relatives but at this small book in the form of a birthday letter to my one of my children my seventeen year old daughter an israeli arab lot of our wholesalers of discussion was a viet when she and i often she had what we called off saturday evening depressions before the faces the next day she called a boring

services and the crummy sermons we felt that we share the recovery condition committees and wanted to make a response for this but we knew somehow this wasn't how we wanted to do it and i was very conscious but for us for me somehow or we found in the church was failing to meet this sense of commitment and has made that response or and nine but she shed many of mine somebody so special feelings i was anxious that she should be given something to hold on to my lab at a growing kind of wine from which she could move our show went out for herself how she felt about things before she flew over

the focus tonight at all together as irrelevant and so i write this and it's three short chapters the first bomb was rarely and in a sense an introduction to bilbao because i thought that she might find a ride second person singular of pocketed urban category that helpful in trying to distinguish this sense of being related to god air which is destroyed if you try and projected into the third person singular into the world and favors or you're trying to respond to it and god means it is this thought that he is a supernatural person all that is another well the second chapter was trying to see how oh christ my whole idea of price could be meaningful in this context and was in fact we may mean by saying that christ essential

that she in iraq must also some facts i still do i'd just reading don't know i'm a christian and i think if i ask this question might also depends entirely on the context and the people with whom i'm talking until after the question because in some context it seems misleading to say yes i am a christian now a complex it is a business meeting to say no not and so this judge which i want to mate and to the day which were absolute spock of some discussion is on the christ section and then i go on and the third chapter to try and work out this idea related notes iran a sin in the context of the church and the fellowship of hairless bears and in what sense these overlap and what's in them but this morning both that's to concentrate on a section of that private life and sparkle some discussion you have to remember this was written specifically for her so

i made some instances address that directly as you and you love them it is important to be able to discern when the world of that is in question and when the world a bit above all when talking about christ for whereas god the eternal that can only buy the direct encountered in the world of our jesus because he was a human being being belongs like me to both worlds but no point is it more necessary to have my lens is in focus this refers to an amateur tried to vote in the first chapter soon all lays i'm going down to the question what thinking of christ is the unique divine the son of god centers did exist before all time and is he alive with us now to all these questions the christian is expected to be able in some sense to also home passage yes i hope to christ and for the rest the totally committed uncommitted these meat not asking myself am i really a christian a toll let us consider first the christ

event as a ho by this i mean the birth of jesus on the human seeing his impact on human history was this event unique now i find myself wondering what it means to describe an event is unique except to say that every event is unique and non repeatable simply because it has happened it is surely not that a divine person is poking his finger into human affairs making momentous decisions to set things right now in a mess this is to relegate god to the world of it too and flagon from history is to cheapen best thought and history and to take neither sinister no can we isolate and eventually what went before what comes after an event has no cottages some events a momentous because they come upon now the word is is that we're ready for them and seizes upon them with recognition the significance of such an event allies as much in its repercussions is in its immediate historical context we've recently had an example of this on a more trivial level in the honest to god intended in one sense

this was simply a man using the opportunity of enforced inactivity to share his thinking with others its significance was not that it was new and startling for precisely that it was not it was recognized as belonging to a great undercurrent of thinking seating below the surface and waiting for a channel to open far there've been so many who have said they speak for me it is in that sense of belonging that jesus belong to the ag was born and he was expected in the world was ready for him people said not only this man speaks for me to be this man lives for me indeed so close has been the identification that for me has tended to become instead of me and does lead to many d based and sickening theories of atonement in what way then was the world ready for christ and the concern here with expectations externalize in the racial in the ecclesiastical terms of a messiah but with the underground spiritual consciousness of money itself union is ssi illogical approach to the trinity suggests

that both personally and collectively none comes to the point when the mouse recognizes and some shame and be able to detach himself from the father in order to stand in a reciprocal relation to him on the collective spiritual level he has to emerge from the un reflecting completely passive dependence on god or the gods and begin to recognize his own sphere of responsibility in response to put it on its lowest level he must stop believing his neighbors evil eye has caused his sickness and think in terms of medicine not which doctors you must give up thinking every time at funders the gods are angry phrases anyone hewitt he is freed from this automatic on questioning dependence that is abel consciously to enter into a direct relationship with god and meeting face to face this price on vancouver's terms to an acknowledgment and acceptance of the relationship of it about you suggest that jesus represents his talent and

psychologically a point where a man is inescapable brought up again this question in the old testament god it's being as distant or so his face can be seeing he can't even been named in men may not approach his holy mountain in jesus the question of some ship is brought to a head in a result that have to happen in the sense of connectivity or personally the issue cannot be avoided it is interesting at this point and that is how hard we do try to avoid christian still seem to be doing their best to force the responsibilities of sunshine and child to christ we talk about him burying the sin of the world meaning that he took on the whole load himself in order the letters out he did take on the hole let it in the sense that he accepted for himself not only that man is responsible for the state of the world but that he could change and redeem it by loving it and they're getting it but we can either say that he took it on instead of us knows he did so in order to make it possible cost to take it on or we can say is that in indian we see the implications of accepting

sunshine and acknowledge that what holds for him must pass in this context the story of a prodigal son is significant for me that i do not mean to suggest that this particular point i'm making was appointed accountable as recorded in the gospels this is just a clock made new testament theologians who was half of my price but it seems to me to be the nature of accountable as it has a life of its own not necessarily limited to a particular interpretation it constantly forces want to stand inside is a listener fresh to what it may be say that mean and share with you what you just said to me about some chef in the input unity of the claims of the father i've sometimes found myself wondering how longer term longer manage to stick a data that making off again businesses are coming back when tarter selfish and calculating he would not have come if there had been any other way out of these economic difficulties as it was he was still hoping to be able to sit like to the family situation

aimal says often go to my father he thought to himself and saved him father i have sinned against god and against you are no longer fit to be called your song to me is one of your case opens another was he was still hoping to stay on the fringe and not get too closely involved but no such luck as soon as he was inside a home that was the old boy smothering him as usual with love and affection and making such a thing of it all i can hardly think he enjoyed it anymore than his brother did was a pathetic family tragedy one recognizes in the old man the accident and the tuna sea of the widow claiming her rights or the king organizing the party no one wanted to go to an endless on the shrewdness of the bandit who knew which side is brad was buffet this is a terrible as some chit declined not for me thank you neither brother had any love to offer the old man the elder knew where his duty lay and the younger was and it you got to let him carry the can some christians and then turn on a nave to think that christ carries the camp apart for them

his life crisis live on the contrary is a cowboy of sunshine accepted it expenses for some of the deepest to tackle insides of the human spirit here the conscious awareness of god as val meeting man with a direct personal plane you seemed to be openly acknowledged and accepted mind and spirit as it were joined forces manned space is saved from having to go underground is a sort of resistance movement that is ayman instead to work out in the open and giving depth and i mentioned to his conscious rational existence this is the event in man spinach or history which has pinpointed in the sun far the relationship after that and the life of jesus as young puts it is this a positive job in this respect he does in fact prove himself a savior he possessed mankind from last of communing with god and from getting lost in your consciousness and rationality or something like that association between consciousness and the unconscious a non natural and even pathological condition the

losses so such a second man from the beginning of time because his companions and follows were aware of this spider to invent isn't happening a great moment involving the humana at the events of his lifetime has as it were have as it were to absorb the rub off of its spiritual significance it is as if the communication lines of of our world in relation in the world of history got crossed or to put it another way as if the events of about world in order to be communicated consciously how to be translated and projected in the time and space scale of the world just as a natural landscape is projected onto a map perhaps we just not known how to handle this cause sudden confrontation with that world there's an awareness of the violent in the world and in the realm of consciousness and of how to accommodate it to the familiar terms of edge world we've not been able to recognize an entirely different mode of being and that is that they're natural events of jesus's life of acquired a magical significance

awareness of the decisive spiritual event of his life and its far reaching implications associated the incident of his birth with extraordinary cotton says in the material world spontaneous pregnancy a strange movements of the stars the openings of the reopening of the heavens and choirs of angels after his death his immediate friends drawn into this new mode of being during his life when our joyfully aware of its power at least among them and interpreted the entire event in terms of the actual circumstances of his band ill later the places was reversed the spiritual event was inferred from the circumstances of the battle and then i dragged into the world of doctrine and belief neither will prove beyond that that jesus was the illegitimate child of a human father boy spends an unmistakably identified in the palestinian grave this would make no difference to my commitment in christ in fact it would get out of the way many misconceptions and make the rail plan on my own life

as easy to escape such evidence is unlikely at the distance of two thousand years but why be afraid to allow the possibility or even the probability who is more likely than an illegitimate child wandering who israel father was god is your real father to be passionately concerned with the father son relationship especially at a small inaugural intuitively intellectually precocious nobody gave his mother much to ponder in her in her heart of whatever the circumstantial facts the history city of the christian gospel for me lies deeper than that but this is not to us a note to the question do you really the incarnation or resurrection the theme of the son of the god being born toward mortal woman and of his miraculous rebirth is one that recurs many times in many cultures it is one of those threads of archetype all knowledge that a conservative intellectual or deceptive laws which leads us to the source of a lobby being remade one sense because they had another we're still in the womb dependent

on the umbilical cord that safeguards awful of potential humanity the sections of reincarnation and resurrection off a red cement called it represents rail factors in our existence we cannot however limit these concepts to accept external events the city's events maybe force a symbols it always seems to me that the roman catholic church is in this regard in a much stronger position and the other churches who have compromised and distinguish between what is historical and what is not there is really no difference in kind between the dogmas of the immaculate conception an assumption of mary is a virgin birth in ascension of christ one day wiesel wake up to find the vatican council is open misspelled her the spinach or function of dogma and we shall be left holding the baby and trying to explain the historical we may say then to sum up thus far that the uniqueness of the historical event to jesus isn't as he acted out in terms of human existence a spiritual event

in the unconscious of mankind namely the building to consciousness of mansour nation to his eternal now but while the man himself this particular man jesus and is uniqueness applied to him i find it easier to stop asking how he is unique or at any rate special for me he is special for me is he takes his stand with indignation builders sends my commitment is to the idea of the song is he meets a valve a father or this is where i too would stand the polish press has shown is that the coyote i'd now is different from me i write it so it is not to the individual a man called jesus of nazareth of i'm committed such a man is on and to me it is true the picture of him has been built up in my mind from various sources but this is largely imaginary honor and unverifiable i can never know for myself what he was like as a person roy an iran a concern to know apart from natural curiosity i have no more to do with an individual who lived two thousand years ago then

he with me not committed to an extension of this individual backwards or forwards in time either to someone who was always existed or as a ghostly figure hopping at my back watching my every move theologians are sometimes tried to distinguish between the jesus of history of the christ of faith that this is a false distinction for me my commitment is to the type of jesus came by and responding to the volatile father caught up with the nomination which he takes his stand is for me the man most clearly puts in focus to vote world in which i live it is he who shares most dynamic play the impact of the one world they either are world upon the other the world by revealing that once the interdependence and letting compatibility hear i shot of a fully or full implications of standing truly innovation as fighter pilot in every encounter of my life i should like to consider by way of illustration a conversation recorded in the false gospel in chapter eight between jesus and

the fantasies in jerusalem jesus begins by saying i am the light of the world no follow of financial one that in the dark he shall have the light of life that if we understand this i had to use weapons as well with the whole being violet i have jesus responding to his bow and not by the ira self consciousness separation and individuality the whole conversation indeed takes on a new lives what jesus is saying the man be translated something like this i have a hole being related to its loudest the whole meaning of existence no one who follows me and takes his stand in this rich nation i've i will be in this battle without purpose is her life with that will light up with meaning its aim is getting close to the heart of the force gospel and is indeed the note on which it opens when all things began the word which we may say iran already was the word welch with god and what god was the word was

that is to say the component parts of it that can never be split an eleven nation has broken the home a nationwide garrison were involved or to put it another way and the father are wildly the word and was with god at the beginning and threw him all things came to be no think single thing was created without him that is there is nothing outside the scope and i about venice is implicit as it were in the whole of life what came to be was alive with his life in that life was a life of men who would say or a living is meeting the light shines on in the dark and the darkness has never quenched it raises the world of a nation can ever be absorbed or understood in terms of the world it in a conversation jesus in the fantasies of speaking on two entirely different levels jesus speaks that i have i have and his hair is a private eye vi it that is the individual standing before them jesus is in fact attempting to communicate across the frontier of

language that leads to confusion the word it is the true shibboleth of mankind says over as in their original story of the ship eleven judges twelve it shows a man up for what he really is they complained that his witness his invalid because he is pleading his own calls the jesus claims it is valid even though you're speaking about himself because i know where i come from and where i am going that is he understands that the nation in which he stands when he speaks as i the fantasies ask him where is your father is also is unite and they mean all my father if you knew me you would know my father's well that is if you were aware that it is the eye of idaho speaks he would recognize that the bible man played they say he says and revealing words what i saw in my father's presence it trying to communicate in words what is beyond one region can only be known in the nation and

you are revealing election what you learned from your father that is showing by the sort of people you are the cash value of the doctors here are inherited why do you not understand that it is because my revelation is beyond your grasp because it is the world of the nation can ever be possessed in any sense it can never be neatly buttoned up in the mind that only know navajo being standing within it and in language about it is never more than a hint jesus then goes on to say it is the father who glorifies me here whom you say he is our god that is the object of your belief that you do not know it and as your battle your father i was overjoyed to see my day he saw it and was glad they've done that is new what it was to be claimed by the island also has the eye with a relation this then is the context of a much debated in dayton five tell you before abraham was born i am the pharmacies can only understand him to be speaking the ivory individual

and to be asserting the precedence of this i appoint i wrote it's not the jesus existed before abraham did but the thing i with a an eyebrow is always the primers fonts of mountain of our claims then this is true both the emerging human race and the growing personality what precisely jesus can just imagine the intellectual stance when he spoke these words or what the writer of the full gospel understood and putting them on his lips is one factor but not the only one to be considered when a man is able to speak directly from his inner being with archetype of intuition of our common destiny is actor same already knows the service in his mind it is also true of a painter in relation to his art but the fantasy is listening to these was taking aim to destroy this man this individual standing before them by heading east teeth the shop lifeless arguments of theological dogmatism such weapons however are useless when it has the ivory nation under attack of this guy they'll simply not aware

and the pregnant was with which the chapter ends they picked up stands to float him that jesus was not to be seen this also is the light in which we can understand the power goes if we have is to hear it is the nature of a paddle a tale or the fed a story to have meaning on many different levels it is a question of whether he ever takes his stand in the sleeping beauty mean something very different from a try i was a catalyst the fascination the story echoes of both of the persistence and because of the fame is an indication that we all in all more deeply involved in the story than we know the zen and sufi masters who teach by means of tales do not involve themselves in interpretation the meaning can only be known by the pew of himself he puts himself in the way of it so it is of the new testament stories told by jesus who he was ears to hear that in here the eye who is planned by violent hear differently from that i cut during migraines to understand the other regions and so there's some other power was about the kingdom

the kingdom of heaven is not to be taken as another world in the sense of a life after this one will separate from this one but as an automotive being in which it lives in malaysia the world which appears to you in this way says blu ray is unreliable for it takes on a continuing your parents a grain of mustard legend a fig tree you cannot hold it to its word and indeed how often the powerball seem to be taking a rise out of those amassed actually commanding me on just heard the man condemned for not having a wedding gown and they'll ask follow judge says settling a case not from any sense of right but simply to get a bit of peace so you found them a bit too uncomfortable at times and took getting a few tamed the passwords of exploration to turn down but it's a duty as a characteristic of the world of wow go out on the highways along the hedgerows make them coming it comes even when it is not someone like a thief in the night and bandages even when it is tightly held acrobatic talent this then is the context in which the new

testament gospels speaks to me in christ as good news it is also the context in which i understand the christ the planet and made it is not the term invaded by an invisible presence the summit's five as an extension of christ's human personality who is thinking my thoughts are acting as my conscience ron is it that i'm called by the vowel claimed him to speak the eye that he's spoken to speak his i with my whole being this is my beloved song claims of this high from the depths of my being and calls me into leaving some ship but just as the significance of the spiritual event of jesus christ has rubbed off on to the external occurrences of his life so he's a spiritual significance of his high in relation rubbed off on to his individual personality his wildness of the father his claim to be sent by the father as being projected onto a flat map of divinity for all to observe and translated into a lighter schedule of some listeners for to it now there is all this it is true humanity is being missed is become

a semi magical if they will think of not really belonging to this world that led to it for the season such a man lays no claim upon leonardo i feel one is true humanity the humanity to which we are all called then his unbounded readiness to speak the eye of a nation to squander his thou in or would then encounters of his life even when it meant death he said yes to live with his whole being accepting and forgiving the world about him constantly healing and reviewing it whatever the word was spoken such a man does claiming i take my stand alongside him nothing in the foot in class i cannot say i believe in a personal being called god nor can i say i believe that jesus was the son of this got these statements belong to the world it's where god in christ remain objects of my belief but in any encounter of my life person or social intellectual artistic important or trivial i know i am required to take christ and entrust

committee holding nothing back ready to meet and be matched by a hundred day labourers and through them to encounter the eternal unqualified of our of my life that hands me down the arches of the years there is no proof that this is the meaning purpose and destiny of live i simply live within this trust fund can no other the peak the next day well i call them books as seventeen come from there because its accreditation from an english folks on that it's a sort of symbolic tackle because what i'm trying to provide for us seventy out of the money all of islam capital which come sunday will give you some spiritual capital which come sunday will give her something to do

or are you it's been the point visas would say to that a man cannot live without it he lives in this realm alone is not

human as it were i just i described it in the first couple rather like those various public spectacles of you where he's at and you know still read and then you know the red and the green pictures which there without the spectacles just aren't in focus at the two wells that that were them it's well the law are all parts of a whole lot of life that we live in and obviously i mean we can't be conscious in fact it we are conscious that by definition that we're not for those today in the world of the nation but i mean it was we are committed to i think it's a sort of openness on awareness and readiness almost you might call a possible split at your relaxation third hospital muscles and stop themselves a model type of doing what must i be aware of but that openness and i read a mystery at the met and claimed by and by now in terms of any valid i come to assume anything like

that no and that i think in ways that he's not for me it isn't an analysis on how one best decisions and tourism and one recognizes that i consciously that there is a claim and then one consciousness of bad plays oneself open to it but often one isn't a conscious of these claims in retrospect began afterwards when recognized that there was something in this encounter this you know i really was involved with this i didn't recognize it in the paper that was within the relationship alert level there was nothing of responding outside to say look this is me a relationship but afterwards when i was a wrestler comes to intellectual consciousness in the world of which one can often they get that was something that i was involved in committee to work so

yes lawless nations is to engage with them that i didn't want to have to look for specific instances in every spare of human activity and which uses his own personal life a man covered that it is just that one is no one recognizes in the response to the commitments that he made in which he was involved this state of yes which we maybe an age old saying in our own commitments they've gotten on an old gold our involved in that and that this sort of sexual response to radiation church

disciples intimate understanding of a language spoken i know you thanks bob he had taught at me and threw him off what was a composite image on the baptists in mad men the facts the association with both thought that suggests that the end of sex which all this and he and i have a great deal of christians bob burgess the end comcast with young actors i mean he had the reputation of being the one person who really makes the person who didn't stand back wrong with sharing all latino influence of richness

and the contrast between those two giant their money it's a thing that is to say the people that come in and leave the jesus and goes right into the very texture of everyday relationships and takes his power bills from this world i think when we're dealing with religious perceptions west they all caught up with this longing for perfection which in the sand lances and then it is true it has to be absolutely perfect in every respect so if there's any truth in jesus we can't accept it unless he in every respect as an integrated human personality whereas i think and the world is much more lax of a shop so

and that air goodness and truth and reality schadenfreude even well as a lot of shoddy listen and forgiveness and december al assad psychological level i would think on the nominal a sexual question that any child who had grown up in the circumstances he did of doubtful parentage is likely to have very mixed feelings about six it doesn't seem to me that this back in any way and then need blind tests a spiritual truth which dulles as it where an additional through this this line this community which says some very special things about so and in that contest goes on and so depressed we really special things about parties together listening to the central question is why this community as opposed to say thirteen miriam industry association which

this is really grappling with we were talking about this that in our summer crisis last year there were five people who were there are involved in this true man this love and this tremendous fear and oh and here in his car on the way to a cookie and have communion how this was this was so much a part of what they were doing and it encourages them to do this it was it was almost like i had to i don't want to set a certain sense of you know if a community meeting yesterday billion all that there was a growing community and so i mean some of the people and you're going out to witness against could not partake in a better idea this may be their call that's that's fine what was this just say well this

community vis vis theological community and not even comparable smell that these things the project is made which the church comes to go but as the churches they please and that's a new testament sense is the point at which it is trying to respond to an articulate what it means to be in the community at the point at which it has the knowledge in itself in christ not saying let them in these things administrative this or the posters and anti the christians know leo season off non christian things but the private system is at the level of the coming days as the church arm and one is trying to respond to an articulate read it which it brought together the knowledge there is rice is it the command which is

centered in the reality responded during crises is why you just those victims the body of christ yeah and this has earned a conscious sort of focus intimate knowledge and something which is made real live flesh at this point for a lot of it as in the incarnations and not that there's no one knows whether we're to broken well you like the show and participated says that the level and intensity i pass i hear they're down to sensible and less alive and this is that these people will work and i recognize this related illness but i

recognize also that many are cons have the same sort of related puzzle back to find it in an in terms of her own television cameras on our support and in my life you know and what he was doing the report disappointing first well they're saying this is what you want to do

as progress in their intention and the taliban here and there were three but isn't it nice i thought that the fact that it was important that it had something to do with christie it was important to us as we were doing but something that was ten kilos over and i want to hear a lecture one familiar it wasn't just that we had to have a kind of a theological battle before it gets to me it was the fact that was about to be done within a certain context know most of those who do we were only trying to help the nice feature and enjoy nature it's a trade off there is in essence they're saying

where is the justice in the manson the liturgy denied any conscious mind and not just feeling that the reason for trade malaysia's law this is the last time it didn't make a difference though the cyclists is you know i know a lot more complex in self humiliation all of it was the fact that work is being done didn't have to be a treat you didn't have to learn it lightens and the point is making in tomorrow's earl is that we really believe that having some kind of referendums and over some context and west to reach europe to share traditional each other even though sometimes people are feelings not necessarily because of literature and uses it becomes brian howard lot of these dry periods in there sometimes we go to new york

and we were so polite and as the rain on pressing for some nice simple over the thing you know this all right he asked me and you

know he won't he was eighty five years the initial how how did he do in that is that oh wow the us has spent all was a kind of and we

were all or informal each other out in the good sense and then at the end of that week and only my wasp into this when we broke rancher the cop suddenly we shifted gears some believe that was no longer what it was before and i mean it was infinitesimal difference but it made all the difference in the world that's the mystery that we're looking for and where the question of money i don't think that we are that we are not in the process of asking questions that have no answers i cannot i cannot accept that i think that we are we doing just the same questions and questions are oh no

you know well audie it single according to rebuild what was the single oil and how symbolic or a real money they were the first time i am the light of the world there is an irrelevant by high i mean this i am the nation not individual person jesus christ and that is if the first time to express and we live in this like twelve world will remember the dark

i just hadn't thought about david they all along with it they've been going on i just never thought of these two matt safe again a fundamental lies at the present moment with an ipo was not going to pose it to death rocket to the lenses and they could sell common house they that i've had recently in the past with any writing almost the skids of existence which is sort of an era i was brought up against in the sort of snide remark the people said hi do you think you could pray to the grand building oh you people you want to have your cake and he says you don't want to believe god as a person and as you go along and talking about things as it does it well you want to have your cake and eat it when a sense i

do and that was that i'm bound to leak of my world is to float but romney's this sort of single i get which draws both these added to further aspects together but i guess there were and what he was saying the end about this incident that sort of song the one on one self and a sense of another level of being and this is i think the point at which some of us find it was inescapable to get into the synagogue language i what we mean by a man i can't define a lot the word blog comments i didn't matter what the demerits i can sometimes time so yes this is it and this is in some you of the bodies today yes here it is again it's a hit again the heritage in christ headed in this version there it

is and wants of gradually as of the failed well as something which way which won is in intermittent solo constantly growing invading relationship and it's this kind of exploration into this which seems to me the request that we're engaged arm now those solo on well none of us know how we can profit that we come from and by definition but its this reality which is constantly teasing constant liz's were going on before us and i which the eu the problems are we get like this is to sensitize also true in the company of those who are also seeking after an evening out and searching for that bishop and his is john robinson concluding the fourth and final session of exploration into got a resonant or seminar held the s land institute big sur

california seminar leaders were bishop james apelike of the episcopal diocese of california and bishop john robinson suffrage and bishop of which in this programme exploration into god was produced by the public service department archaic stands fm san francisco fishing is in nw to be fb