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how will someone please tell me how she can listen to that trash so early in the morning pass the salt. And have you seen that revolutionary rag they call a school paper she's been working on. Pass the toast. And frankly, I don't care if BB King is at the Fillmore, she is going to the opera with us Friday night. "Pass the Youth" a five part series on today's young people, their efforts to meet society's challenges and their own challenges to society. This is part four - a look at the arts through the eyes of teenagers in which four young people discuss culture and the arts. Guests on the program or Frank <unk>, Ross Miller, Mark Clinton and Douglas Hedwig. Moderator for the broadcaster is Frank Ball, director of the theater at the Riverside Church. The only times I really listened to AM radio when I'm driving in the car to school every morning and uh QXR radio and, uh, which is basically classical I'm sure everyone knows, and LID which is basically soul music and, uh connection. Yeah, well, and every once in a while
when I, uh decide to take a chance I listen to, uh, what is it, uh, oh what was that No, no, not ABC. The other one. Down at the bottom of the dial. That rock station. WRMW. No. No, no, what is it? WOR WMCA. MCA, right. Every once in a while they have, uh some good music happening on that stations, so. So that's about all on AM radio. If you've said that your boundaries are classical and soul, where does good music come in? Well, no, my boundaries aren't, uh, classical and soul it's just that those are the only things that, uh really, are, do not meet need the, uh specifications for muzak you know you hear on, on many of the channels. I find stations like WABC AM, you know, very insulting when you are listening to it. The way the disc jockey comes on and this little yippie voice and, and, uh, screams about this commercial or that or this offer and everybody every rush down here and buy this or you have your little top ten and. And they always cut in on your song at the end and when [many people talking] and they come in and sing along a teeny bopper bubble gum kind of thing where ??? jumping around and, you know, it just really put me in, in a, it makes you very embarrassed listen to it, I find. What I
turn on the radio i'm expecting to hear music and not commercials. And AM has so many commercials, it's really ridiculous. FM has 'em to, but they're in as great as number. But, still i think the number may be [multiple talking] It may be also the type of commercial. It's the way you do it. You can do a commercial very calmly like they do on WNEW when Rosco comes on or some of these other people and they just read it off or adlib a little bit, but, the way they do it on AM, you know, they're pounding it into you over and over and over. When i was in high school, uh, this was an era of that kind of station where they choose immense popularity and it was the only thing we listen to where the teeny bopper's voice came over and promoted bubble gum or soft drinks or whatever was the product with the music, hair grease, the whole the whole stack and we listened to them and we sent him letters saying please play this song for Pat and Ross and just named off a hundred names and they would read all these names and play this song and we'd tell when we were going steady and we had broken up would all be announced on the air, and we loved it, but, uh, if I'm hearing right i'm hearing that, uh, at least, uh, from you three high school people of today, uh, this goes right by you. Is that correct? Well, I think that the...
[mumbling] I think it also depends upon where you're living to. 'Cause takeover where my grandmother lives in, uh, Throgs Neck in the Bronx, uh, they still kinda of dig this kinda of AM sound, you know, the disc jockey coming on and cutting in at the end, while over in Riverdale where i'm living, which is just the other side of the Bronx. Yeah. Yeah everybody listens to, uh, FM. They don't dig AM at all. How long have you been making a distinction between the two kinds of radio? Since I've been about twelve, I'd say I've been listening to FM. Did you listen to radio as a child? As uh, uh small child? Not very much. How 'bout you? I always used to think of FM, we used to live in Michigan, and it wasn't a very big town, and the only FM station was purely classical and muz. And so I always used to associate FM with sort of something my parents would listen to and I never really got into it because it was, ya'know, always that sort of music. And then when we came to New York they're so many fantastic FM stations and with the, you know, the population that can do this sort of thing AM was the only kind of music that I listen to. And then when I came here it was very surprising to see that FM could also be good and, you know, have sort of bad connotation [mumbling]
It's the same when i was, uh, oh, around eight, nine, ten when i was living in Houston and, uh, the biggest AM station was and probably still is kilt - KILT and i used to listen to people like Johnny Ray and everything and i thought that they were great and I'd be going around humming the songs to myself and now I sometimes have to listen to, uh, WOR FM when i can't get in WABC and [Uh, huh] I can hear some of these old songs and I remember them and i think to myself God how could i like the stuff and i switch it back to WABC as quickly as I can for like a breath of air. But I remember I used to be glued to the radio, you know, kilt - KILT You know, it is very interesting that you seem to, to listen to as long as you can bare it in any way just to just just to realize exactly how much you've matured musically. Well. And I think that's it, maturing musically is really it's more sophisticated approach. Really you don't have to listen that much to the music on ABC and, uh, AM radio just
'cause, you know, it was sort of something going on, a little bit of action [mumbling] FM has always been listened to as to study. <unk> quality that you have to have something going on constantly if it seems as if you know as the mechanical things in the world takeover we have more more and more leisure time and instead of using that time to patronize say the arts or even to just sit in a quiet room and, and meditate, if you will this is like literally impossible for most people to do. There's gotta be something going and thus muzak or you know this blabbing constantly, constantly talking and blabbing and, uh, just people making all kinds of sounds all around you like this seems to be essential for one sanity these days. And, I don't know, I find that recently I've been, uh, getting a great deal of, uh, enjoyment out of just , ah, sitting in a soft, quiet room and and thinking [If you can find one.] about something. Yeah, if you can find one. that's that's a point, too. [mumbling] It's interesting to listen, as i say , you know, to FM of course as we're all saying, much more that AM. And, uh, I I first
personally, you know, listen to LID FM the jazz station quite a bit. And RVR offers a lot and WNCN, which of course I, I now hate for pulling out of the FM guide so now I've gotta [laughing mumbling] their thing to, but uh. What sort of a background [mumbling] I think. So the way, uh, women were listening to all the soap operas in the morning when they we doing their ironing or, you know, cleaning around the house. Nothing else to do. And the music they have one those, they have the organ, you know the high pitched organ music, which I think really appeals to, uh, mainly a feminine type instinct there's something about that organ music, the way it goes on <unk> go out and get some more ironing and bring it in during the commercial <unk> this. And it is used as a background noise. People turn it on when their studying. You know, it's they're driving down the street they turn on the radio. <unk> It's really too bad that people can't find that quiet. I noticed this. I was this summer up in Alaska and all of a sudden, you know, I noticed how quiet things tend to be. You really never realized how what what a real quiet is 'cause there's a constant noise level in the city of fans and horns and air conditioners and people and chatter. It can be shattering to your sanity [background noise] if you find yourself in a completely silent
, you know, under silent conditions [mumbling] It can, well, exactly. But if you're used to it, if you're living in a city and you're used to constant sound and noise and all of a sudden find yourself in deathly silence you can, you just kind of forget. Well let me ask you this, we seem to be pretty much agreed amongst us that, uh, FM as preferable to AM and that a certain kind of FM as preferable, but I wonder, uh, for whom do these other stations that we've called not preferable for whom do they play? [Well, there's a great...] Is there an audience for this and what make this different? There's a great percentage of people in New York and around the country that do not really, uh, like the more dignified, shall we say, format of an FM station they like, they know, they still like the, uh, teeny bopper music station. The, uh, fan magazines' always have the [laughing, multiple talking] things like that people, some people, just still dig it. It could be just this area being in a big city where you can find this kind of excitement the way you get on a radio station. If you're living out in sort of a hick place, not really wanting to use this word
but, you know, this is very exciting, people listen to the radio and hear something going on, but here you go out in the street and there's that all going on anyway so it's, it's very relaxing <unk> the same thing to listen to a nice quiet using your control. You said listening to something quiet and easy. Either that or listening to music, uh, that may be loud and, and violent but in a controlled and purposeful manner. Sometimes the very loud music will give you the same kind of a sense of, um, <unk> if it's so loud that you can't think about anything else. It can be very relaxing. Okay if it's, if it goes away over and it's so loud you're mine can't possibly think about anything. It would be such a relaxing and beautiful feeling. My parents always when I have something up loud, you know. How can you think and how can you do this and that? But, it can be so relaxing. I'm sorry I'm off the subject, but certainly muzak too which is in many places, your doctor's office [multiple people speaking] it in fact if they play muzak, it affects the way people work. That claim is accurate actually. It increases efficiencies. That's, uh, you know you listen to, what is it, uh, is it ORWOR that has almost constant
music. No it's not OR. It's the, uh, that one that runs, you know, like, music for an hour straight and then they say, you have now heard, uh, such and such. WPAT or something like that. That might be it, uh, and you always hear advertisements about how you know. We go for 27 minutes straight. Well, right, and it does. I've read reports that they run in factories and that it does increase efficiency immensely. But as you were say before that that's really interesting point though that music can become so loud that it becomes relaxing Not only that, it becomes, it becomes, you know, so loud that you don't think about anything you don't even think about the music. Right. And actually it's a pity. See I, that i think is a transitory kind of music. Your, people are used to...[..rather than pure meditation to reach a certain...] ..Right. It's like a jumping point. Jumping off point from that teeny bop WABC music. The next step is to clear mind we recognize that it was all a joke so you clear your mind with this loud music and eventually, you know like, rock musicians are now starting to realize that there's a hell of a lot to be learned from jazz. [mumbling] Exactly. Where they've been so
stuck, you know, that I guess so stuck in a loud kind of music, you know, then they're starting to listened to a little Coltrane or Miles. They say, hey what's going on here and pretty soon now, you know, well little by little subtlety is coming up with rock music. And to this transatory period is being replaced by a music that you can truly devote your entire mind and body [Study and enjoy it] And, well, the music has been drawing a lot of the old, uh, swing and the blues of the twenties and thirties, for instance, Blood, Sweat and Tears made a big hit out of God Bless a Child. Which was Billie Holiday's i mean i think it was about her favorite song that she ever did herself. She wrote it and made her the most money, I believe, too. Yeah. She was.. It is a fantastic song. And i i think i like it better the way she did it. Than I, you know, the way Blood, Sweat and Tears did it. Because, i think, you really only like a song by the first person you hear it done by. That's true. True, but I I thought you were going to say something else where it was better. I I'm thinking about, I I feel that she was like really the only one that give it it's true meaning. Because the words of the
song were just so heavy, you just that, the only person that could speak these words or sing them and and then get a true and that's someone get a true meaning of it is someone like her. Who was was of course a very heavy heroin addict and who had, God knows, she'd lived through a hell of a lot. And, uh, and she was speaking straight from the soul, not not just off the top of it, you know. So there's something to be said for that. I think this is the same thing about sincerity and believing in it and, uh, who actually experience it. I'm telling real which a lot of these, uh, <unk> things aren't real. And i think that's what we're again coming back to. Something admit that is actually something to it you know and the person really know what they were saying i really if you actually realize that something substantial song some plastic of insincerity seems to be groping to come to light on wor am and wor fm or abc of them there's a complete difference because on the bbc and hear things like bobby sherman dr choose your
songs like girlfriend since about her headaches colds or two years and he's hired in one area that on am stations and you know that is really a little more truth dr cheese people are trying to reach you need to make money and then that's how people are trying to reach and those were the people say that have people have the kind of music a lot of people are not up to what we are looking most of the times the songs on at pimco are much too long for an am station to play also which means it comes back to making money again the commercials no longer a stroll with the more inevitable it seems to me that you're not going to really ever make if we can use this were true artery or pay for itself in no form of the performing arts in visual arts really are we saying that an artist paying its own way we listen as mac are so much more pritchett later young well then
if we consider the work of the artist primarily has to be promoted and promulgated by various groups of kids have performed art by something your company or some orchestra or if it's a visual art by a museum or individual collector nobody's making money at this affect everybody's going under and then you look at the major organizations around the country the civilians only once in the entire united states that is being able to support itself and they're in this to win now you're very interested in easily they have very large deficits extremely large and some of them are going out of business after years and years of colorful histories and if it seems criminal court as close to new york they're really sincere prosecutor sought out for some other way to make money for supplies and the company's name and the sand he wrote about what you consider the most exciting architecture and the city west has grown they wouldn't think much about his last worked with what excites you explain a couple places
well i really are kind of like a little row house like this when i see these great big huge factory talk with metal band glass norris i don't know what the person is that it isn't having this bill by human for he was living it's like ibm computer theres an obvious and i think it takes kind of people anyway for me it was interesting because the role does is it goes to like who was on her art i talk about some of the country the century victorian home with little doorways and as okay as guys that goes on to report slight of the roadhouse will never wrote in the house in a row just like with the style they're building now has eight feels more like a person i feel when i walk through although it's very plain and bland that service minnesota and when i walk through some easy for all going to have all kinds of a prisoner very excited or our creative director effects you so much
well i think the ford building ford motor company building this kind of architecture appeals to me about making so much out of a little space also having a garden nature in the building and i really think that kind of architecture and also general motors building when you're looking downtown from in central park every building looks basically the same is even though the different they all of the same but when you look by the general motors building is somehow stands out anita when you there it enables you feeling the difference i think modern architecture though is visceral progress isn't stages and first they were all in glass and steel another going to let a glass marble what i think the prisons and the original glasses you're going to be ripped out and open up glass and white marbled york this is a desert dough and styles and the reason that stands out because it is different in in the modern sense but i think they you know goes on albert dow is going to replace with that alexei it also stands at the fact that it's a bit
it's attracted the eye but as as the true i feel a true a challenge to a good architect of it is also conservative conserving of the space that is available which is really important politically in the urban centers remark would what excites you about their patients mainly gothic victorian style i don't like the modern that much because it's they're looking i you know it's major appreciate true i guess it doesn't you see this skyscraper that has nothing but small glass windows and steel edges and fixing used to sit in the vatican he calls on very interesting guy oh you thought well i you know i reflected in and losing in the architecture it seemed but first place with the surrounding buildings seems to be there and also of course unlike the year the questions
that are on that screen size them into treatment this is i think a neighbor's that right and i think everything was like the rehiring like quarters we have to have this this recent nielsen asked the saudi very things and you appreciate one person anymore building basically that fits in with its surroundings more than just putting up you know four walls another word that for example in the building and women in riverdale it's a semi circular building but if it's in its fifteen stories high made out of cement that's a cement iron railings balcony railing saloon i'm and recess glass and a whole front of the building is just these balconies their uniform but it fits in with the surrounding so well i mean you feel very comfortable when you're out on the balcony looking across the palisades you don't feel like you're sitting there and you don't
see all the pollution but if you just turn your head a little there's all the pollution center going over the city in early identical houses again i believe each one of you mentioned that at least one of your favorite kinds of architecture places of architecture was a remote connected with the gothic victorian two periods soon from are nearing distant past iran and have done too many days ago that was an ad from one product or another but said that were fully people because we pause to examine the objects in an antique shop and then jump in a car instead of using the air and it has finally put together because it's it tries to build and so it's part of the basis of our human ambivalence at this point how would you translate this into terms of the theater if we can talk in that field for a minute i'll be very interested to see some earmarks are you do you say no as you walk in beaumont theatre in lincoln center here's a magnificent structure all glass in front of the pond i
like this kind of luck although i've been told they don't like the way the just the parents a dismal call the parents but if you walk up here is this tremendous building all glass it was beautiful lighting inside any going to beautiful theater and hopefully for the play so that what is a year ago the real temperature the barometer of the voyager age regarding the theater i enjoy your theater often yes i enjoyed your own thing and i'm the orpheum theater downtown which just recently closed but i felt very into that and i couldn't believe two hours was up at the end i just got very involved with it and the actors who are at the scenery kept on changing due the rear projection said everything when i go to a plan not i add to the lighting at the school so i usually look at the lighting anyway where the play and also projections and things like that so i like a plate that has different
scenes and movies that you know the story behind your own thing for you saw the play guess you appreciate your thing there because i think visually you say at this point right after the manner in which and put together aoun have often about the kernel of what they'll play was about can you do the reading on the plane just appeal to have a whole i went to a forum join it mostly and out when i was there i just went there for enjoyment i didn't try to get any moral things out of that anything like i just went to enjoy display enjoy the music center why an enjoyment certainly legitimate function of art looted by disagree with them are of course illegal for a twelve minute in and that is in shakespeare's time is to you know not much will accommodate may have been the thirty minute variety show on tv tuesday it was the most popular comic marquand know have you been to the
theater last word is the last it was to go see hollywood james doing fantastic as of this month at a nice family points we've scored in favor of antiquarian favor of heritage and they were in the path of this point would depreciate most about the ploy production itself the stars of the production or later so my favorite character in the play was harvey i don't like of an answer then he appealed to him this huge white rabbit as a friend falling around for you know an employee the play was written in your forties and one minute appeal a surprise in his postwar these additional arm why what is it about the ploy that would be appealing about the absence of a white rabbit well it's not the absence of a white rabbit the white rabbit is there though you don't ever seen you know you actually feel as if he's there
it's like if you see a silent film of the casino employees of lincoln center and there was there were no titles they'd been destroyed for some reason long time ago and christmas island was nineteen fifteen and when i came out you know the day after seizing the movie i i thought of it as the characters were actually talking seven just mouthing the words i mean i actually thought i would do was remembering the characters talking the changes about it what will be done to fear rightly very little i suppose a great deal of my reasons for not knowing is the money because you know i am a student and i'm a music student there an art student id in it a drama student even though i am a christian and i don't know i could really get away from one specific thing that has kept it going but certainly the financial reason is a very large oil money in england i've heard many stories
about how it's it's just beautiful so inexpensive you can take in two or three in one night yeah that's certainly true however in terms of new york and particularly among the people our age it's a partial forced to hike a couple rose to the top of the balcony and the prices being what they are it's honestly possible to see a show for as cheap or cheaper than a movie i'm sure you were the number of places around town a special price cuts for jews lincoln center a visit to the article as to the dividing line dollar tickets for two bucks by suppressing free spirit iowa and i have participated in free theater that takes that is very relevant today say we're fine for easier for us different i mean i'm not and trump is just a matter of impromptu actions you know this this border is on jets you know where you are with your body and then with your mouth expressing what you feel that very moment without any inhibitions to say in a
normal day life their inhibitions and that's that's a place right in the theater the most moving play i've ever seen was hadrian the seventh last year that really got me so involved play and i felt it with it you know i felt that i was really seen a true story and i felt like i was part of the movie the palette recounted he altered or were you talking about frank is is this whole idea the drama being able to become an imitation of life or reflect the experience of life to the point that of europe on watching it can't enter an unending some kind of insight there's going to be profitable i'm concerned though that that we have been down on the border too many points with third was for your considering significant pieces of religion done something he said something to you about something to really scored with you anyway adrian i think is a first time around the table and in the you mentioned that
you enjoy hardymon and air support but we still haven't talked about a panacea that too there's really not much for you to do something for you i mean i walked out of that color theory and i click it the two eggs and i see what's happening to the party no well it's like it's politics already accept that this is there is a great deal of innovations that one renee have a larger chip detected box and now he's one of what you're describing is that is the kind of experience that is just a just come of late to the theater a lot of you know with the advent of jazz perhaps are we saw for the first time the use of non structure and music in a non starter the hundred percent way you know a nonstarter it's a great deal of just only recently in the theater would come up with any kind of notional like before everything was written down and said exactly the same way every night and if you
left out a word are too many refined the stage manager reported and if you do it too often you're fired because it's against the law now however we were saying a kind of experience develop where a company gets together they're cast by some traditional method of casting and then they go away you know for six months or six weeks or six days and they come back and they still anything written down but the rate performance very little written down and one night to one of them will play lead everybody also play the parse the next night someone else who clearly no chains of that part because a comeback with a kind of a unified company and you feel like they're deriving a great deal out of it and possibly now have more chance for the audience to get something out of a sincere and the natural and togetherness for people and yesterday saw the concept you know and i thought that was very interesting and i don't buy the tape they toppled former drug addicts and this whole thing related
kind of what they did at this place that was very interesting to see their activity than normal everyday activity that was interesting you see these people and makeup are not actors but they never never want to break up to become actors the writers profession professions making money its entire think it's a business rather than them for a lot of people on one runner for expression i'd just it did it i think because he's an acting is it is it something people make money on it relies on anyway i feel you know this is kind of i suppose on the surface in the world these reactors in all very good ones when it comes to a revealing really feel ellis is precisely the point that led to that frank would pay money to go to date go to were laid out the particular yes and watch a group of non actors do not acting all these visions is a city with a honey to go and see them in that they're down there before monday shows a week and be recurring money every i didn't have them for three years to see them as that your bottom dollar that they wouldn't obviously days unless they were
meaning something to somebody you can just be sure is it ever accused the uk head of the theater club the schoolboy about the houses today i've been a mostly partisan i've heard over and over again how you know having watched the concept was one of the high points of song was theater going and you'd be you know you're interested in this because this is not theater via traditional standards is no really hard fast written script it was originated by a group of non actors send it becomes interesting when someone judges most exciting fear that scene it's interesting also to find out how people feel when they come out of a movement that <unk> vandenberg felt it was the second time st louis felt it was a very moving play and he got into it and there it was interesting while my french teacher said he'd never pay three dollars and fifty cents to where it has to go see the play cause he thought it was a wealthy place and you really have to say that point is that way at all you know they can be just as a play because it doesn't have an author of a plot and what little additional
things you're listening to a public affairs in a production from riverside radio wypr a new york less on the specific trend in the theater that his only happen in the last to two to using a couple months as a matter of fact and see what this does to the level of experience back in april of sixty eight to air opened on broadway and have the first legitimate need same and that's now want tim may of nineteen seventy and we've been a low calcutta which opened two days over a year after eric nothing right and then in the center of waiting period of the year we saw a great many movies which we're able now he's duty and now you know two years after air seemed to kind of break it all open
why would you go to many places you see million people it's just it's just been part of the part of the business is shut down saving opening up and people rising people file something business and business you think the beach or make people happy and assisted in enterprise business to make money and i think that were there making money or i didn't mean that in the sense that it's disgusting i mean the tickets we're about you i'm being taken over by the money on the field to include movies at this point it certainly is nominated it hasn't seen a movie in alaska which is which is gone without somebody being hidden cameras at the troupe the newest went to say the nudist movie ever seen was in the magic christian the scene with her something like three hundred targets rolling her and i'd like to know if we've gone a while ago about
parents like to know if her if you would agree that the use of nudity as in as another tool of the artist it's a valid to money or not you'd expect your parents knew people were you know your parents your parents' friends and so forth to go along with you in a well take what stuck what i saw was my mother lest do you think all this new ad is right is there is there and she kept on asking me about the newly the blank end of the world on the case that you know and that if she agrees with it everybody agrees it's going to happen tomorrow and i think she's a bit foreign observers of a civilian being a tight see that something that was from both before is i try to present to what does that work to the whole issue
of it was not the right question would cite to discredit them see i feel that the entire i am seen the movie and see if we can borrow a book see years of using openly had no relevance to that happening i will call it would step that he would have a great deal to do with the decision to be a relevancy said it didn't bother you know what he's a good a misunderstanding i thought that it was all what but did you make a point that you feel today would that students are producers and they said you know when you're a farmer well i'm not saying that it didn't serve a purpose but it when it's used in the film you know about my mother was questioning whether it was right or to be done in the movie you're saying is that a lot of what happened the story the expression of freedom that one on the right i agree with that it was an experience
with the other generations say with that generation really about was in relation to the suspect to get re culture we all think of sweden brought up whether its prices on on new dior race or even like that is just you know what you've been taught that i hope more more people are going to become free and not you know condemn people like his producers realized that when bandstand different ways certainly possible that a building on to some of the freedom that has come about really just in a very very short time both in the films and in the theater both of these art forms or perhaps survive and i'm trying at this point the theaters and like religion and a girl with close together and i don't think the religions area was a well and thinks the reason to talk too much about her some of
the them minor institutions culture and only minor an undeclared qualitative way but to non performing what's called that museums and libraries what you're experiencing in these two areas the visit museums and i'm asking this for my sensibility argument that we're not really didn't and alan i know something that you don't actually that they do and i don't have the patience to walk through a museum to see you know corpses all the wall and you know ancient bones here in old stones there don't have the patience to walk through the other when i not to museums but to the galleries around with people or try selling our solar power on bass an avenue in that is censoring that or sometimes i'll continue to just walk in the npr analysis of that not one to buy and i go into these databases for hp now the modern which is roses opened on monday for a steadfast in
and if there's a good show on some of the way most the time you know i am paul myself with so many activities was the time and i have eaten time to really think about it songs causes that come to museums so an environment buttons at the museum of modern art market and museums willing to read the i don't usually go to them unless they got an exhibit that would particularly interesting that collects antiques in the record they were having an exhibit has been on my mind they did have quite a few recordings of old music as background music and there was one particular part we've had a quite a few record labels and that was extremely interesting but other than that much my mother thinks the great traditions of history in a day but just to do it really on the page
sam staley museum goer them was interested and says know put down very kindly he said that he hadn't had the patience to get to go and look at these stable exhibits which is indeed most of them are with the exception of some of which are very moving into areas than one but as far as my relationship to the senate you can have the patience that seems to be the hang up of a great many of the great many people that you know something has to be happening at this is if you're confronted with something right here today to like like that can change your idea i can look at that and and and get a certain set of beauty or or not beauty but a certain closure were some kind of feeling any rate and just like you going to a museum militants use of war for five minutes may look at for seconds that but it's given you some kind of feeling that i think is important to operate your legal when i do it i enjoyed very much
we're going to need time to just get to walk around but patience is is one thing that has become we are seeing says you know if you're used to watching television patients is like well just as his window in here you write you know sensitivity are you going to be i went to an agent when you mentioned i'm there and i had some of his toes were like a lot of the men what does a really good job and people i like elegant large ability to really beautiful old horses are things like this and you look at a fresco and you know you never really think i'm like these are really good job i'd be like when they had the spacex mr we won't have those roots and then returned just walked in as white was nothing and walk back out as a private young people don't notice things as time saying it with a look around look around at your shoes or that will disappear on the floor and
so and things like this you know that lady and that's going to be on the messages saying his job at this a while to look around you and there's a sense that your life and you notice things around you is is interest interesting hour interesting and people are using cell phones in the world of the cdc's are likewise trying to kind of come of age in the last ten years trying to make themselves find in new orleans thats a common view on people such as homo moments no museum would have dared to put in it's about thirty four years ago and there are choosing things that are a lot more relevant to our times right now so they still there was bizarre dr lane is going to let that little social
media and walking to see a lot of ngos instances in the lead now but what really has produced this great fantastic the museum is having his was chosen the other arts institutions supporting itself and that it may have led the pack and trying to find a new audience and i think that's really what the rest of the room have to do and a new audience quite frankly is because quite often the eu are contemporaries were the ones that are are not supporting a traditional museum are going to see a traditional old play unless it's especially well done this in the case of harbin appreciated as a piece of history you say it i'm encouraged by the broadening of the definition of museum in the end by some very creative things happening there that role yeah which brings back her main point of the thing you know if it's not if it's not on it it's not something a reflection of life whitson it's of no use either as reflection as soon a bit of enjoyment or
something give an educational or various this is not worthy of support that there is no definition of treachery and as somebody that you just a great deal trash television media landscape from two it's an electronic media that said you know has tremendous potential an awful lot that reaches a lot of people and it has a lot of tools and gimmicks at his disposal and that it would be unfair to say that there's no creative man working in television it's just i guess you know i was against it particularly at this point in history since it got so for long so fast and only recently begun to start wondering about what it was doing all three shows on television that i really liked and that the only three that's one adam twelve and dragnet and five and eyewitness news to do that and as a
way of what really fun interesting and i designed the cities that in fact what i like the city as a place for a policeman eyewitnesses i just like the way it's presented i think that's an onion layer by writing grimm's the way he presents it is like a wise out english she got in for peace your favorite shows and bias what's your original cars our shoes and say yeah they are they are quote i've always wondered if somebody can actually cut the capital by all the rights and made a record of the music of some of these commercials like the pepsis song and things like that that would make a lot of money off of the record only his own a video no matter what shape
is done as winston smith well i let's let's focus again on a contemporary television this is worth exploring because it probably is the art form that most of those at least the most in contact with if we can coin are for know that there's a there's a crisis for you but to assume that it is for a moment and then ngos we stand a well i think they can do a lot more information of course and they have done most of the things it game shows but that critics or not audiences selzer and my grandfather that's all he ever watches and the us dollar what makes people happy do you see any
danger in letting this kind of television just continue to go on for your grandfather yelling do it was perverting of the housewives he's nine years old and the last tv six or seven hours is actually well i think you're going to his head but they keep going on and on and so these commercials of the way they have those sexy as well as papers put some of it is thinking that the real value of it is that melodramas and soap operas and today those things i can't do anything else on because you know it's it's a deadening time no show you know ed sullivan link and two weeks of help with many of those time slots a half dome at accel is the answer to our data while it is very interesting to sit down and read the national association of broadcasters grown immensely what it reflects in terms of contemporary mores slippery raise it just was twenty three things one right after another that cannot happen on
television and said i'm not positive but i suspect is that there's been some testing of individual items in that isn't some loosening of the cold in the past few years but he used to be extremely rigid that shows had to have happy endings unless you know a or b could be approved and then certain words could not be used in less own so many other conditions could be met an end to these are words that you know we consider just quite a lot of conversation all that alcohol could only be used in a certain way and that the drugs could not be used at all for you know moving you know i'm not quoting it letter for letter and perhaps indirectly with the spirit of what i'm saying is true now in this kind of vacuum in on all of this our own definition of art would stand a chance of winning when one when we set that are it's somewhat related to life in some way right to life so maybe the television is a hopeless just like less go back again to end station shares we have been doing it so it's almost
totally false because of this coating people don't just walk around although i without like saying one four letter word the people listen to an over over and over again well that's the last time i could sum up and let's start by looking over a business to see this ending we've ignored our quiz and the point that human slip and that weakness when we travel a bookstore we didn't mention boats tower because i don't do much we owe you subliminally overlooked that when they're we saw on my favorite author of course my own son flavin author is margaret palsy not too many people may have greater she's very very funny it's got a very dry sense of humor and what she says about life is so true that make you cry as really fantastic and i've only read two of the books one has with malice toward saddam and the others estimate
paradise what shakespeare and it's really a very fantastic ii both of them fantastic books one was written when she was so in her twenties in the other issues do the issue is what fifty something and her style you became a little bit more sophisticated was still virtually the same dried common in america and that was really very very funny if she's very very fond of quotations and which gives it a very dignified sort of book do you read widely is a student work part of your life now than i probably you would average on a whole lot of a book a day but not tied to how well i really don't pay attention to the books i read i read them and if i don't like them and just forget about them things like really weird little a crime avoid forty nine times and it just was i wondered what it was all about when i'd
finished the book isn't the challenge you that in the beginning it did and our readers of the book the majors so slightly larger and just about the same thing when i read a book and that's very so i had some james thurber i usually try to read and read all of his books now and that i find his way in a very amusing there with his drawings to accompany stories i'm very interested and echoes my attention news let him finish a book then within two three days it's enjoyable often looks like you know yet again letting the my record collections a variable called the fabulous photograph which traces it's a growth says a phonograph was a little piece of machinery made by louis was mechanically thomas edison's menlo park your lever to eject was not support and to help now they're quite a few things about the records it was mainly about records actually
and i read it twice in the same day i kept reading i still read it you know because it's as good as a catalogue and i can look up a record that i just bought an hour in the back and seeing now find out information but now this week using books on a year in or the functional level just this kind of use of a good part of just a bit in relationship to an almost ghostly employed an artistic soul away creative writing science fiction historical fiction whatever all just as some kind of either enjoyed were inside her appreciation to fall under the definition of a hard experience on and i'm just interested in knowing how widespread reading as a pastime was amongst in that we have heard from you on this one for the regular
lanes and i'm very much taken of the new citizens of the framers put when i when i have read and what i've been reading lately it's the readings of him and has just finished reading sweetheart and which speaks of as those be here before once and actually experiencing life in to a degree and then the only other on a book and i would read it which i just purchased the bee that music and i just finished reading if you were caught reading the encyclopedia jazz by leonard feather which was like an encyclopedia so so will you agree with the notion that you're in past ages in past generations the printed word was worth a lot more than it is today in terms of its consumer appeal well there were a lot more people reading there were nothing such as photographs radios and television too you know why didn't the means of communication
no books for suspects religious books were the way to tell people the charges were no small minority or yellow but you know where you know an endowment consider your mother father be they have a lot of books specter in the house from before you came along to live with them but they used to read when you were a child abuse injured i'm reading on my mother reads a tremendous amount of books and my father doesn't read that much i don't really read it and said what i have to for school system at all i'd be interested in knowing if we're york and individually make a bit of a summary of nowhere divergent tracks of lettuce and let me just run around the table and then and see if you can we talk about to a good many art form so we've talked a little about the very essence of art itself as it translates itself into these forms
and i think quite frankly surprised and somewhat cheered do you have for over and over again the ancients as well as the modern isn't to borrow some stock phrases for four different levels of experience and their traditions and their i'm not surprised at this i'd like to see it and it was summing up what was the hardest sensitivity in truth which is your most people i just basically would like the only relic so while we've been talking about our the mass media and as well as just our feelings of the state to help out rows of houses identical houses can be a difference in our in the way our campaign the lives of people and the pros and cons of a lot of different aspects of art marc well we've got that we've been discussing about how the art forms have progressed and
they're becoming slowly better and better and they try and things to see really just an experiment right now in the theater to see you know how it fits in and they're trying to put more troops into the arts and getting greater freedom of expression issues back then oh you want a wrap up for us was as a common truth will eventually take the place of a very vain appreciation of the arts as miniature is in his thinking and our society's always been built upon at work kind of program ever since the union the un the world and walls activities and thinking had been based upon the physical aspect of a lot of working soon are as a city for our
technical ability will point out the we're time will be a great about time to explore one's mind as of yet there's not taken action with the time he has he's been taken up with many artificial means of occupy his mind because as i'm sure most common is painful to be sensitive of your fellow man and as time progresses as miniature is you'll find that art or art will supply enhance his mind was with a great deal more satisfaction and he's been able to achieve any other another any other way i well i've enjoyed visiting with you for joan today and as i said before have been heartened and encouraged by something you said a stimulated by them all and appreciate you visiting with me you've been listening to live for the noble you already are five programs ceres past the youth the study of the problems of youth in an urban environment on this program for young
people is that culture and the arts it was moderated by frank mall director of the theater at the riverside church yes on the broadcast were fried cup seedless ross miller mark clinton and douglas had weighed the program was produced by barney quinn gemma gemma fb
Series
Pass The Youth
Episode Number
4
Episode
Youth Culture
Producing Organization
WRVR (Radio station: New York, N.Y.)
Contributing Organization
The Riverside Church (New York, New York)
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Episode Description
This episode focuses on teenager perspective on the arts.
Series Description
A series analyzing the youth culture of the time.
Broadcast Date
1970-05-21
Asset type
Episode
Genres
Talk Show
Topics
Music
Theater
Fine Arts
Media type
Sound
Duration
01:07:06.912
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Credits
Guest: Clinton, Mark
Guest: Miller, Ross
Guest: Hedwig, Douglas
Guest: Ball, Frank
Producing Organization: WRVR (Radio station: New York, N.Y.)
Publisher: WRVR (Radio station : New York, N.Y.)
AAPB Contributor Holdings
The Riverside Church
Identifier: cpb-aacip-ce9a3daebbb (Filename)
Format: 1/4 inch audio tape
Generation: Master
Duration: 00:58:19
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Chicago: “Pass The Youth; 4; Youth Culture,” 1970-05-21, The Riverside Church , American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed July 13, 2025, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-528-f47gq6s79h.
MLA: “Pass The Youth; 4; Youth Culture.” 1970-05-21. The Riverside Church , American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. July 13, 2025. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-528-f47gq6s79h>.
APA: Pass The Youth; 4; Youth Culture. Boston, MA: The Riverside Church , American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-528-f47gq6s79h