Dr. Karl Menninger - Isaac Ray Lecture, The Relationship Between the Legal and the Psychiatric Professions

it's b james bay ladies and gentlemen it is my voice indiana university in this school we the university are pleased indeed we do have that word has extended it was sponsoring this gray like a ship on the american psychiatric association's

this evening we have with us the chairman of the eye's we re like a ship toward a bad association for many years dr mankiw marker has been attached to the supreme band of baltimore at his chief medical officer is psychiatric knowledge coupled with his vast expanse connected with those who come before the bench which he shared with his colleagues and the public to many publications which may be no new have placed him quite naturally in the strategic and commanding position to convey the judgment of the i think great committee and to introduce to you a man elected could give the tenth lecture dr mark as

well the regular is named after a rather remarkable quite phenomenal man who as a young practitioner and maine wrote a medical treatments which is one of the classics in medicine call the medical jurisprudence of insanity this was published in eighteen thirty eight unfortunate a harvard university press has brought out an addition this last year all that classic and i think many of you would be very interested to see what a really phenomenal job was for young man would rather little experience with all the ideas that he promulgated are still ideas that are nascent and are still nearly any stage of ideas so that one of

the american psychiatric association was anxious to cement further the relationship of long as it was only natural that isaac ray would be the end of it you will honor and i must say that the ig rachel ward is tonight being honored by the fact that we have as our ivory gray award winner and the speaker of this meeting one of the great figures in american society is credibility and his amazing energy is made significant contributions almost every phase of chicago and i show my brief remarks confined myself those activities would you have direct relationship to lead the pack as i have come and to know and admire or commandeer both the man and his work

i have concluded that throughout his professional life is chief interest and concern that the man's inhumanity toward his fellows a man suit in humanity toward himself so that is concerned with a criminal offender dates back to the very beginnings of his career in subprime thirty eight years ago he presented a paper before the national conference of social work entitled surprise and the prison the following year he had a paper in the survey graphic untitled vengeance or vision i could continue listing charles insistent pleas for more humane and effective ways of dealing with society's now factors and dessert until i should get to his regular provocative article in harper's not very long ago called the verdict guilty now was one of not only the few of the vital and

important public education that he's made outstanding can't be easily was apparently many thoughtful artist and i think technical articles have appeared under his name i feel like to mention two papers one dealing with temporary insanity published without the name and call episodic this control a third order of stress adaptation and the paper murder without apparent motive a study and personality this organization this year's ig gray award winner as many notable posts in the field a little surprise in nineteen twenty six to twenty seven he was chairman of a joint committee of the american psychiatric and the american bar association that issue a report that the day who serve as the gold award which the professions shoes drop in nineteen twenty two views of what a professor of criminology at almost a cabaret another idea that was turned

out since nineteen fifty five even consulted the medical side of a federal prison to springfield missouri is on the editorial board of the archive the criminal cyber dynamics is a member of the advisory board of the american league to abolish capital punishment and director of the american civil liberties union carl mehling has dynamic energy and its dedication to his task is constantly bearing fruit in nineteen sixty at a park on a social psychiatrist demanding a foundation as devastated vision of law and zika last year the state of kansas opened in topeka the diagnostic and reception center for the evaluation of convicted criminals needless to say the monitor was a leading spirit in the planning and creation of wealth of these enterprises carmen is acceptance of the ivory gray ward adds significantly significantly to its importance and this distinction i might say that

one of the things that will be evident tonight is the fearless critic that we have before us what he is unlike some critics i recently been given the task of reviewing a book or buy a psychiatrist paul law liberty and psychiatry which mcmillan is bringing out and the author they're a consummate tearing down and deriving psychiatry and wahl and making no constructive suggestions although our speaker is a fierce critic is also a builder and i think it's in a sense that we take great pleasure and honoring the power goldwin marker

the fray you've been led to expect too much this time workers for an initial quake this milestone moment phil you know there is is come in three parts first third of that and requirements that require system a system of things to use the bow until now been less clearly organized in my mind and up that's jackson were deployed that necessity but i hear

loud in line and i'm going to tell you as i am supposed to sell my own reflections on the subject of the relation between legal profession in the medical profession as agrarian rural was set up and i understand it too wealthy lawyers doctors too to cooperate better in helping the public something which neither one of them claim as their primary interest lawyers say well crimea is a small apartment all of me and the doctors say well we have plenty of well they even patients wife should be and why should we get too concerned with those that don't be bound on trouble for trouble the stipulation of the

award is going to be given any rewrites rather a law school and medical school so the assumption in my assumption has to be there some law schools here tonight and medical students let's review of adult education and i didn't know why i mean there must be a few other i'd like to know how many here are often for young lawyer who abandons we almost two thousand and that how many young medical students are young musicians well now some of you all are really objective an old ally years align yourself and leave the law or medicine but family are lined with madison parker physicians or surgeons

our nurses are many here have some connection with medicine or with medical science well absolutely right fb there is the option of a speaker to entertain his audience pleasant words and graceful phrases rousing pleasant memories perhaps a reason static pictures of fancy word arousing them the less pleasant emotions so she

would doubt perplexity alarm our indignation his dedication has really two musical worlds greatest fear being that you might want to great many sensible things been said about the glock really really consume law and medicine sensible thing in the river our crime and a lot to be done on ice ball long the thing about which everyone agrees the crime and announce also too problem solved evil you want if we had made as much progress in ending crimes we have been dealing with gravity for example we've not got as far in the knowledge in and we have an aviation more transportation generally see a much better system we would have today for our

own protection of our own homes and brian silva no worry that social problem and great many suggestions and made his vow to improve but i you know i've changed her life your attention on a problem i will describe a few cases that i've seen recently now i've gotten to this point in my ministry i could read while i was preparing his illustrations of are inadequate management of the crime problem in the nation the radio brought news that was too terrible

to portland and two significant little instances of crime that them that originally selected and before i could reconstruct my thinking and make a proper use of the event's another policeman had been killed knowledge new microphones and a loaded revolver in the hands of another self appointed director of our legal system surely we don't need more evidence of your business than our present understanding of land management and control of violence paulson human beings

all this could be said without any reference to a problem that in to your spirit of violence that scene prevail no one point particularly to people it spivey another million visitors faces of people it sure we can hurl at that school children parents that be they're on break the bones of their little baby cry polluting energy all this is to say nothing like business of crime about which we recently heard next was a only television not just an accidental are incidental war no no class type

of crime the big business grind grind that involved millions a crime that has systematically organized crime that is hamilton in it in a way which you take some faraway only concerns of welfare workers in the sky at least one kind of really a way of life and a high level hi will it distinguishes primary between the members of the organist business of crime in those little criminals which leads the league i'm a psychiatrist do the the new village eu caucus people who are really been taken to task for not being in

our area in our hands temporarily but subsequent to the disposition of these something i think we would be dessert these things next question speaking korean oh this is the this is the this is freedom less as a maid to one made expressly is a must one was an expression of self and soul of course nobody ever said that we could express herself as much as we like well with the rapid

population growth of the country and many other sociological aspects of it that i don't understand it seems to me that i receive an increase in the young the increase in from its expression was a list that could be huge and i shall return to and later in the talk you're attributing all crying to resign and suggested that we perceive the ability to be few in the city months passed and then they said ok leave me policeman or something you know and

i don't think people know that really how much danger surrounds them all the time and they put their competition and measures which really not protecting i've come back to that i just want to get your death to really begin with the things that they need something well now the number of that psychiatrists listen experiences with the people whose particularly a predictably we're dealing with violent people hoping maybe violent enforcer for a daily practices be to try to control the violence some people do you can

imagine how i think some suggestions seriously one of the instances were men his own country was on her new but they're not generally nomination two years later the young we see you wanted to be in order to do some long seventy five years ago william that the young first congress on corrections was making seventeen twenty two principles which it will ever been really put into effect which are just as good days in more than fifty years ago no farmers having been made famous what a sham survey was made in

this survey readers can survey committee recommended all things i won't read them all oh a prisoner should be securing our lives for a diagnosis of their common disorders for classification and should be confined specialized units of a diversified institution wide system so true that a little later new york state crime commission a series of recommendations five years on the that's boring you know that the jury should make you cry taken from the guy who presided at the trial given to a special state more creative are constitutional amendment abortion legal expert psychiatrist and p

knowledge is devoting their entire time to the workings of the us and recommendation the court none of them working nineteen twenty twenty four i think it was a special committee was appointed by the american psychiatric association because when psychiatrists were very embarrassed and what we what was described as the humiliating and demoralizing the public in public impression and has a public image know that we meant when we visit the bed and being created by a psychiatrist a flowing in money the us among even some psychiatrists examine violence at chicago's all why things about and nurses because he's entered gaza and

because it pays them to defend the prisoners and coral reefs that's not true we're within the way that you know they have the recommendations may wear of them made by the american psychiatric association record but i think you're welcome and higher education a very wise older man who were on my committee will now some white one of the committee on our association it's somewhat better get someone for state and what's not believe about this crime business and he did a characteristic with a mouse and white thing was that one of our greats attracts many ways and that he did this is i would put a youngster journalist lilli knows nothing about progress that we're also produced why your past experiences that you just bought all up say the same old things that made me german nothing about those

fortunately all the other members on the committee replace my age of eighty for me what was wrong with the things i wrote about it wasn't going to be recommended to market kind of slavery pretty good things are going to work we the american psychiatric association unanimously adopted and then went to the american medical association's years of doing bigger not much interested in but after numerous being fully american medical association and the you know great thing to do unlike the american bar was to lower the american bar association people consider finally agreed to meet all three of us meet committees of song after several years we all unanimously adopted these principles and i don't really do you got outside of us i mean we all believe is was a way to get a job

and they're the crime situation was the one clear to the public pool wasn't ridiculous ms mann in this could be greatly benefit and review some of these things i suggested than there were christian suggests not the american correctional people would suggest that your crime commission suggested a rejuvenating nothing nothing changes the level of data every county court for dutch criminal court to get them out of the county dhl and the level of state penitentiary in the main tunnel with few exceptions

dr cross doing your city is another thing that we do this orchard would be unable to do i mean in california some of these things are outstanding but for the most part the level of the operational force navy brings you know they're not used believe us survivors to refer to hedge which is that particularly and complimentary i wanted me to get her point what the psychiatrist hasan why do with the horse completely unknown and they were somewhere that regard trying to get people out of bleep out of me they there's a sorrow because they know they're really crazy and say cannot be dealt with this isn't the position of

psychiatry withdrew thousands of people believe this good many corals and i'm awfully the things that i just believed it because it kind of turned out in court where they have absolutely no business making pronouncements language used correctly weiss don't understand iran's state of confusion may retire with a feeling that the psychiatrists are certain kind of a good profession which doesn't really belonged down here with something rich people insist on getting an honest picture of psychiatry at very very role and one that reviews reveal and it would close you must remember that crime plot to rig told me why i want to do you are going to get so overwhelmed with a missile and it had this very serious business and legend

laugh and don't forget that this is the tablets or i need you keep referring to what it is all heavy heart anyway and in this nation and that this event alone one evening but there is a risk or some workers are you remember that he was remembered at least get statistically speaking in the economically speaking murders or lesser crimes i mean it's one of the lesser things before we hear it all the protection is built on rock that's going on right now you're sitting here in what you can modify that one part recommendations will you know about the recommendations know about

the recommendations she knew why don't you know that the present system of criminal procedure and large procedure you all roll some ethical wrongness i mean are the defeats the purpose is alleged to be doing that isn't hard to prove that you know that the north of the newspaper to what do you know that you fall while other institutions are finding ways to meet your population they often used to be jam of the drawers now that they're not that point and it really symbolize stayed mostly are no state has that have they had such overcrowding now but we'd always do to get patients outside and

not put something which you have in the city at the present moment four thousand nine hundred and fifty eight people that several times more people are in this room we're sitting in jail at your expense even some kind of food at your expense for that proved guilty of any crime american citizens i believe in this until proved guilty of the crime really not the people that the trial they're just waiting for somebody to find out they've done anything or really be prohibited gun they may wait quite a while now imagine that quite a few have been doing something that somebody disapprove and they're being cured and bad habits by being detained in the same jails also waiting to something happens huge bite dedicated people can reduce a little education a

little inspirational little cultural a little of the religious councilman so but the very best the efforts of many educated people could do is issue is slightly american in that face of the thousands of thousands of people that you have been locked up and what you waiting for what are you waiting to happen they think i've been locked up that then some transformation to occur in and i think most of us feel that that's the case then we should arrange them to be locked a long time greek yogurt the large number of bell invented the st louis grand should they are one

thousand crimes one hundred workers were arrested at roughly one hundred were trying to tan were convicted in one certain sense now a lot of you are now you remember that the simple horror true it will what is his predecessors all around a human made for a hundred years its long standing in royal castle against the all eu and they were illegal unethical well us and soon the police have done an energetic inefficient john naber rest of somebody and that a prosecutor has nearly

accused gop in spite of public conscientious defenses see i'm having this all be ideal gnocchi or we're patient and often but often under informed judges look up in the book to see what magic number can be applied to this particular the lobby and after deliberation public ceremony the police also conquering the human rights has promised an imam says it is committed to the care of the official state one of hers for the pontiff mr ewart years job for six years and so no france the offensive is a sign that we knew about punishing somebody six years making star smith's name sorry sorry the ad just aren't

ready obviously you're well diggin all we can find the successful criminals the sea ice in success because obviously this fall of plans when long island believe it really empirically you know or do you know it was it's so apple used to be a coup yesterday that task who commits the short crime don't come all gets arrested and convicted and going through this rigmarole and is anybody seriously worried that many clever this way why now you don't have somebody who's in a

row we made people think that usually gets down to me and they were talking about the many many people nobody cares about now if these people are so you know we care and that small businesses are really you're not hearing somebody else become involved in this deal has set aside any rate very nice ideally he exported being disagreeable more experts and some of you know when somebody to weep over the moment i don't and that i think sometimes often put themselves in the wrong line and appearing to be truthful a pity so we're sure the poor little court sided with somebody and will the students decided it goes on doing the things that made it you know to me a vicious circle

yesterday and labeled numbered unless i distinguish for their loneliness and grime the languages and the journalist company of others equally miserable hopeless and resentful at all when you say so i mean how quickly it happened morning rachel the atmosphere of dread hate loneliness and sexual frustration pervades the day dungeons and cooling hangars like on my asking while time ryan's out its weary months you oh bleep sleeve my animators with the

evil wicked crime breeding place like that isn't going to protect you or me very much from a group of people that we haven't begun to understand most of the trial lasted for a look on the schedule on the monday and the world g garvin a prisoner himself offer opinions as to whether he has become properly soar and be really just awesome and that just seemed to be a reform change may anyway laughter well a liberal wharton's perspicacious and conscientious is i know some of them to be forced to prevent unscrupulous as i've known others at the prison are with us again barbara really educated in

concealing his security is done back on society this increase when this he would try to do is his label assisted that may we say sarcastically by the medical experience you've just been through and the hostile world the reactors he has rejected into complex social and economic situations too much for him and expected ever again honey won't hustle was smarter and usually it smarter nicer and you'd be more successful people proscribe or employment by most concerns and usually unable to return to his original employment it yet he is now expected to find friends and ways of living and a bulger survive without any further help except an occasional morning what will rio all sir the charges reach out to taking me in you know the business firms recruit him to the union's critic at me in finding a job he's a country club that's a bet the last class of

restaurant house printed so unprepossessing and shabbily dressed in all your favorite individual eat or sleep in their premises does he do any of us any good to say nothing of himself the site for lobster we may not always look kindly the first friendly face uncertainty like to see the wonder in the streets has there are some who knew all day he's been waiting for a little while the new job and listeners the lady which in honored hears all suggestions that we had made it not change essentially want our the meat can shoot missiles all sorts of things which hit

sciences new one would think would be a hit behavioral sciences in progress a particle now there's a protest it's so science hasn't made progress behavior science has made progress we we do no better way to do these things that we can get them done does anyone know those when he won them ask what might have been done to deter this man from continuing the rate we've been going through the us what might be done to redirect the money would redirect would redirect it as anyone discover we were delirious more subdued it is that he's being persecuted whether people are against him nobody wants him that he must be a lone wolf and find some way to express his life she really all that he is an avenging angel up a

slave the animators a white supremacy or you're somebody else's and when asked what he might still be dangerous if released now the new harbor for a predetermined sentences expire present when asked what useful things he might do what that is he might rendered a suicide note or does this not in the book why do we try to help the mentally ill at the time and be threatened or not helped reopen say that soft headed unsentimental that is like you are loyal sentimental <unk> table and keep the chocolate out of themselves and didn't really look smart people know who's playing whatever that means and stay out of trouble or else you know we persistent use of this war an option that in these artist cold war actually formulate

when we'd written by me along you knew nothing about the president bender nothing about the problem here about his day job is about as the lore or lack thereof nothing about the misunderstandings that and that is a provocation given him all the provocations given by him that handicap holding down the dangers whose closest and hey more significantly the authors of the golden nothing about modern behavioral science nothing about the modern scientific understanding the motivation or human behavior and its control in that formulated their rules and procedures upon medieval thinking regarding the functions of criminal law which they probably persist and maintaining inspired opponents and i'm urging is in which is their own leader's job you want is what we're meaning of this will not

believe that's why that the recommendations for a change in philosophy for betterment of the system before long apparently she took four years for more than a century while medical science in the meantime has been able to demonstrate that he can point a way making changes in you're in your personnel who helped her behavior patterns why we learn about us as public about why we so long suffering why we're so self destructing i'd always assigned to write an essay through high school recently our quotation she chose the french influenced by him her whole life george bernard shaw's declaration that the plane working through says that not only is good for people to be shocked occasionally but absolutely necessary the progress of science of society that they be shot pretty awful much easier to evacuate that no stranger

and it suddenly occurred to me than the spider john our pain and harriet beecher well john are paying the same a few others are probably never really been shocked by the prison system i don't believe they'll i don't i don't believe you are maybe i revived if you know of well how many of you have been a bit more primal and more shocking nina conditions in one video where you somebody complain about the bat the wretched evil crime reducing situations in jail all the united states that may have been shocked about you see that not enough people to be shot then get more people interested in shock over the matter because otherwise what happens to resemble a george edwards says the georgia do it will widen the major fix it will widen the government do something well why don't we owe it so

why don't you do something this is this that question we support you something all a rather painful question these days we review social actions in this country where we have two in all this and i just read now with last week right now the problem public is shocked not so much are dealing with for offenders put in preventing of offenses the real lessons about the seriousness of kremlin propensities be bibi learn from that terrible terrible tragedy oh we know more then we'll find a scapegoat from selma and the other thing is and where the public be able to face its own crime of omission

while one of venter's robin are raping her drawings and killing week members of society are packing this grandly produced from producing an inadequate immigration system we are climbing said when our president was gunned down in dallas followed immediately by the county's killing joke that we condone crime every day on tv in the newspapers in a very difficult to get the american people are outraged eyes are upset really interested in their crime i discovered when i write or talking to people there not being punished as if indignation about crime there are changes indignation about the way we go along reading go back to the crime if it is something that is a run

you worry about the crime of like sex and healthy outlet in any case you know i read that iran says they came here because the idea had my mission run being no that was people in a lot of open country or even a county get most criminal court these institutions are actually committing their work retreat the doctor sent him an oscar will be treated he goes to see whether the treatment being carried on the judges don't seem to believe in this principle of prosecuting attorneys when i mean this why shouldn't they i mean they say they're getting pummeled well it i don't see anything to whether people are doing what they hear what he thinks you think oh ut one hundred tons and david o

matic and judges with me to visit prisons occasionally and examines on the parishioners they usually are more shocked and i had been there before only say i didn't know this level where you are that phrase there i didn't know judges nine regulation then your very intelligent group of people and most people would not they would not know that the prison may be considered the wrong place and improper ways to go and so it's like that quiet advice and he said i was in prison patients and most people you unkindly reminded once you have no presence that they don't allow terrible years and how well designed it is to make me and measurable better

investment with a few exceptions warren mentioned in california well yeah you may have seen in television show the other night and the last word of when fi at a couple of rock and intimidate her arrival are older easily and why people as they think the reason why it was a very cleverly shoulders of the deal of aggression violence inside of them to be all quiet down in the face of this violence and the parking will use the bully everyone in his freedom as shockingly and any indie urban and we are broken and i can't stand anymore though when i'm assuming castor gets on a he gets updates on board are the bullies and not soon and the whole car gets up to help the fight against the

jubilant and they had ever known and they won't even help and while he manages to an end as a woman also ends up in price too and current she also tries to take the rubell part of the defense and as he leaves the scene when the policeman russia now rest looks at what kind of people are you anyway it is among the most eloquent statement i've ever seen until one kind of people are they when violence occurs another i know beer me either that that settlement so far and you know bring this out in her book living on the bailout doe evil people say well we didn't know this was going on you know the things going on the

va hospital revolution kansas occurred only and we do with public newspapers what they show him must have suspected and it's not read the newspapers and the radio made a rather stay off parole agent and says big changes from being the forty seven state in the union to being we're probably say number one or at least near the top in our state hospital provisions and efficiency that came about because the people decided they didn't want the old system to continue and that came about when they learned about the wind and the plane now attracting some attention in europe in england you know asking why even the pope kept silent while the awful slow burn marks are going wrong in germany why did the pope a sound good leader of any great

religious bodies speak out not many want to do well maybe one and you did things a new united states senate i for a while i did know we say oh we didn't know how bad it was i can remember a group of him in paris the iran they just don't know but until you momma still nauseated vomiting into the most radical thing ever so why this was awful he said i didn't know this was going on either were giving the war was about we really didn't know it was going on well i didn't know it was like a mess but what he would like one guy that sort of torture is a nice guy and i asked him so you say oh you know i'm going on our principal language come in you look

now and they're really and i only want to say that there must be some reasons for this they hear for the obvious reform suggestions to be taken and i've tried to think what that we're not our alliances in my mind by scribe is the three prevailing thousand policies in our thinking the first of these three thousands are mourning his subjects of the law going to be the subject of the subsequent call you want it crime is something a certain enlightenment wilson something a certain people get to get that his defection that it's the peculiar fictional serve people not just the failure of certain innovative to come to control the same violent impulses that we all know but some special kind of violence some special kind of disease this is a thousand effects on my

it was doctors and we got to get this thinking about diseases if there were certain diseases like malaria which has been the reaction to orlando the little lamb little plant gets into people and then he had these chosen fevers you get it out of me get well some of us are like that but most men i believe is not like it was not merely an exaggeration it's something that all this has some of that and that some of us have all these exaggerations these reactions to stress which are rather more than necessary to get control of the situation can be very disturbing to the people around us crazy or something else no i think the reactions to stress which appear in various forms the un can be can be is value at

gunpoint in severity and it they can be evaluated and coursen try and i did that through some of them can be described by certain features that i think calling them names is a relatively old medieval period we even need to include that smell like malaria and that this thing you've got over who haven't done well people will say well you mean you don't think you're very interesting reasons why don't course i don't need it is any psychiatrists think that well you do think a surge of a psychosis don't you know i don't i think there's a word psychosis which is a part of psychiatric mumbo jumbo is like insanity and part of the legal limbo jumble but it can be defined any way you wanted giuliani who you were like a responsibility i don't use among the gumbo startling picture

the man does the grimy responsible will says he was the only idea of responsibility the pins on this depends on the orders at the end all they need your dvd queue but that's something that's illegal responsibility don't call on the value of men response or less leave he's competent to stand trial i don't know what you mean by competent to stand trial competent and you want them to be right and rage competent to stand trial on something you know the psychiatrists long the court rule we have any any functioning as an adversary system of the regional before men cry the regional actor but in the courtroom i think the

judge and the lawyer and the jury should prevail and should retire with the cooperation of their way not try to involve the senate judge judge genuine new jersey this is very wise when the psychiatrist getting excited as they do with initially and we do that in a functional operation judges them and they begin consistently applying terms like rosso cycles of schizophrenia psychopathy and other such words to describe the devil possession which they think is under consideration and the judge just seeing a distinction between that the psychopathy second hour of psychosis and i don't either i

do such and such degrees of iranian reaction such and such stress and that this trend is going to serve that direction which is name calling you which it is so easy to fall and say well what does he hand he didn't have anything of mental illness it not something a bit about having me isn't anything although support the devil possession theory which i think we should get away from them until we get away from what we're going to have these constant arguments about just where it was going to be how you gonna be helpful in those designation there was a third judge by any the wind farm says how can you have one word and one function elaboration which policies like psychosis and then

something else which is probably called in character there's some measure at that you know i think we should look at the offender as a man's garden to adjust himself to the world that you and i are possessed that certain part who you are they're actually a very few reasons stress and tension just in july and managing them in various wages july mr ej castillo met the type of it he really july and we intend to put up what it becomes president trump or dangerous to watch it we want their control there are ways to control

is it that two evils really good so crime plus punishment equals zero and the beauty of one bad thing that they're not advancing believe in that a summary of that even that the only thing ever stop the thing is some of it into the fish line and they thought oh it will it puts an invalid what happens is the hanging he this is a third grade thousand votes we think we have the right to do something to take away like we can hear we continue throughout this flight which is a devotional not many people like practically nobody's execute the punishment is really close to you there's seven thousand or size zero number of other

capital crimes the united states not one person or not not one percent of them get executed it's only a thread to tie a little ridiculous mumbled be responsible with nine and fruit trees just ripped it responsible meaning that is even really enjoying probably appreciate a lot of automated is so ridiculous names a complete misconception on my opinion of the psychological nature of weill's you see you belong yeah one another in the final question was triggered by telling nobody ever gets her hip hop on the very we

actually does egypt or whatever trick it so can imagine people two policemen my work haven't gotten got overboard on the job they get the kid each other ones that will let it kill you that well you know there were of course i will kill you and we look at the daily look at about midnight tonight would you say you know mr sullivan i began thinking boy again until midnight until his mother time i kill you first she was screaming good he wrote a little magic and pull the trigger and it's annoying

the action all the same way a magic hour stories you see you you know psychiatrist you understand that only they maybe some of these families become very real for people they become overly reliant on we'll give you if you can control such power great length great distances they can why should it should manufacturing jobs for the people in the population has had is ours is when there's many of these people have julie you have to have a licensed driver cry which i think is a pretty good instrument and there again you get a sense imagine lou reed long known to listeners lovable didn't quite

realize when you hit somebody that they're human thousands of plans so that there's another instance in which the human imagination does not keep up with invention not and has not really did not appreciate that we are all thinking he has created but some of us have created now this is no problem and i can't have a fight and they suggest that it's so easy to say the well they had people around somehow be done about it and vision of the thing that has to be done about it for probably did begin to think about and about its responsibility think about the violence it knows think about that think about it think about all the people that are trying to savor community for you who usually anything but are simply email our support anything or you know i helped we eat meat we should get that whole when i have young sick and

dr martyn williams accounts and trying we want them to come and you know people are in prison or we can get them to do it lillis say we've run private practice and you guys wasn't patients you know what they can to patients we get down there and i feel we do that these people need our you know maybe worse than some of the patients that are more able to pay for more than day are better friends of our own so and the review in the store you would have some responsibility in this and to be shot at and you can expect we'll tell you what we think could be done and you find plenty of people

but the one level or if you bet that's the message of his first hit song it's been the point after that it's just a lively and challenging lecture i discovered for the first time in my life i am brave because i must identify myself as a member of the law faculty i am here for three purposes the first of which is to make your the lectures are held in the proper place

colombia does have a medical school secondly is the manager for this taco and for more than this talk for the evening with him as himself the third purpose is a sneaky one there is some question i understand about whether dr manager is able to give the second and third lectures at columbia perhaps as we say goodnight we might play another round of zestful was attracting back crow creek

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