Knapp Commission Hearings; Tape 4

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discussing that we want to get money to show him i said well i mean this particular case is known on the us on that day oh no i do

he's been on the planet five minute break the major daily that commission hearings on corruption the new york city police department in his third day coleman william phillips is not what most the day today's testimony differ from yesterday's

people who are here yeah right because of yesterday's bomb scare your five minute break it will stay in the room where the sign say no smoking an addict you made about that yesterday but the law will be broken day william phillips once again this their day was the chief weapons all day today's testimony dealt with his activities as an undercover agent for the southern appalachian he was originally a patrolman who was discovered

by that commission engaging try to fix a case against him woman's running a brothel then became an investigator for the commission and describe his work today basically his testimony today dealt with the connection between gambling and the new york city police department at the picture of a very complex system very proud in many business organizations with the policemen themselves out trying to hustle up the business and a patrolman making points with those who were running the what's called a pad and the police department which is the payoff set up payments from a monthly weekly to the division of the world restrained in which all the policeman involved in the divisional aboard the precinct chair those patrolmen who are

lot of hustler gambling business thereby increasing the size of the pan or the precinct and made a lot of great favor according to potomac philips by other policemen who like their initiative he described the sharon the various paths around the around the various precincts in the city ranging from down around five hundred dollars a month per patrolman in each precinct of the plan to one hundred dollars for komen in the first division he said that this information was based on a check yet made within the last two weeks and he described

those precincts and how heavy gambler said that at a complete protection operation complete protection set up with the police department for one policy operation costs the operator of the policy operation somewhere between three thousand five hundred dollars a month which is broken down one thousand dollars a precinct fifteen hundred dollars for the division and the rest for the broken man be born in mind that this is the amount of money policy operation location when a patrolman is transferred are true to a new precinct and wishes to go on the path which is the police were just the police turned for being on the take if he wishes to go on the plan he first has to wait two

months after he transferred while this fellow's check him out he of course they can only transfer is available in the town after the two months he then goes on on the pattern and collects as do all the others in the present who are also on the path when he's transferred again how he gets two months pay from his previous precinct which the chief counsel michael armstrong referred to as severance pay he also describe its activities when he joined an apparition as an undercover investigator was assigned to the police academy in a pilot program which was designed what experienced uniformed officers also what fifteen years or so a server the plainclothes the

thought being that these officers were so close to their pensions that they would be less inclined to the corrupt as policeman with lesser both drummond phelps has made it clear throughout almost all of his testimony the plainclothes force appears to be at the most corrupt elements in the police department he said that among the group of the police academy i was being trained to go around the police and plainclothes some of the old some of the ads for the participants want to have no part of a corruption others don't want to jeopardize their pensions but there was also another group i've talked very openly in the police academy about what was

going to face that was interesting to note that said that a few of the members of this group that were going through police academy were very unhappy and eventually dropped out of the program very unhappy with the prospect of going with plainclothes force because of their knowledge of the extent of corruption in the plainclothes force and their fear that they would be smeared just by being in the vicinity after potomac phillips joined the side to become an undercover agent a commission at the moment folks and that commission investigators set up a system designed to inject phillips into midtown try to set up protection for a floating craps game the purpose of the strategy according to

corporation commission council armstrong was to see how far phillips could penetrate the police culture in midtown manhattan at his testimony as to how far he did penetrate is not completed were no five minute break and will resume with the film unfolds talking those experiences and india process of doing that he carry concealed on his person a tracking device from which conversations with various police officers were recorded in the way it set he is wave began less than fifty second avenue how far along by someone who reputation of one policeman in the area and said that he wanted to set up protection for a friend of his main event in europe and put him in touch with

the trauma they met and discussed how that would be set up and tapes of some low secretly recorded conversations or the audience hearing the heart association building and what's forty four straight very large audience the conversations on the loudspeaker system were barely audible not very honorable of all cava say for that the commission rejected transcripts of the conversations that was screened here you had those conversations hear one of those are eligible to you it didn't stop me basically the conversations were about

the details how much locations the right one for the floating craps game much money would be involved and gossip about the headset in the police department and pointed term in other words people who are undertaken are it's interesting to have these hearings that there are that the people who are on the take in the police department formed their own very public underground public to other policemen were also on the take from phillips testified yesterday that he could within by placing one phone call within five minutes you know check out a fellow policemen as to whether he was trustworthy or not trustworthy trustworthy being of

course someone who would take craft and not tell anyone about it and so much of the transcript of the conversation actually hadn't setting up its gambling operation here with gossip among those of who's getting locked in one part they're about some cops who not only ones getting a lot of money but was also taking sides of beef in cases of soda pop and the patrolmen who was discussing this with quite shocked because we are getting involved with things like jockeys greek more shotguns so he wants to get involved or sides of beef and so hard when money was a lot easier to handle

this is the third day of an application which will be holding public hearings for two weeks home and philips i've been the only one to this one so far obviously the commission's darwin's renown a five minute break for five minutes and the philips question of potomac falls will resume after this break the audience is being required to stay in the room and not leave and wander around the corridors of them and because of the fact there was a bomb scare here yesterday which resulted through an hour delay in the hearing and was told security is warning incoming in everyone to identify themselves

and also there are still bags checked of the interesting things that tom philips testimony about the relationship between police forces is that the way he put it it's not a case of a gambler's running around crop completes its more a case of the police were running around trying to hustle up gambling business in order to get their pad operating out of course is a term used by police describes an organized system of payoffs pad money is paid by someone who wants to gambling operation policy operation floating hurricane whenever you x amount of dollars were negotiated to be paid to the

precinct division well which of those policemen assigned to precinct division about who are the term goes on the pad they share some conversation in the transcript today about a lieutenant and one of the devil's year end up with a woman who's discusses was here to take a single sphere like everyone else either interesting or hello the last victim of a point about canceling a business is that john phillips acting as the agent for the first one set up floating craps game per month versus it's all set up an iconic artists from acting as the agent for the person one set up rap game

actually had another common out checking doing the legwork and checking out locations where the aircraft and could be operated and there was conversation also about the melodrama who had not been invited into the inner circle of this particular division at the moment but what about to be invited in because of his efforts strenuous efforts in bringing in business bringing in people who conduct operations for what had to be established to be a great deal of police energy devoted toward a sideline business considerable amount of income

for this only were in checking and locations in which the crack in the drawn would pay two hundred dollars for her services are still a break here in the appalachians longtime today's testimony by philips not quite as startling as yesterday's testimony basically because i guess it's not a revelation to know that gambling is protected by the police in new york city and certain people are going to

know that i've known for a long time was interesting to hear the complexity of the arrangements very businesslike approach the act of selling a business by their resiliency status when a cheese by being at my going out and getting operation going in your precinct yesterday's testimony however help with things other than gambling and dealt with the nuts and bolts of how the policeman's day to day activities taking payoffs from bars dance halls

construction sites have john philips explains the system has no catch as catch can very organized chairs are negotiating people can find out if people who are on the pack and find out what the going rate is various precincts and it looks like we're about to begin the resources over chief counsel michael armstrong's return and seek with philips says his table says armstrong for what happened at the leak is just getting out and on location

if you have that same location or that yes i had a chance meeting in the city of the court building to have a conversation so i was going

to say that he's the poet of the sea he's a player that's right do you get the money this

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under observation when it was prostitution being conducted in the position to get into the apartment house and analysts appearing opposite position themselves in a way that women are open those who participate in it they jumped out at me the lockup for all women in nigeria and they charged with prostitution there was and you may have to plead guilty to war and for this service is allowing this kind of interest that receive money

being a little larger i guess they were they were pressuring me to a meet the individual that i guess they didn't want women acting or one of his visit means abandoning i said well i'll try to get some points meaning that they wanted to handle the negotiations in a letter after this meeting that we had discussed meeting the day people from the division discuss with them for the negotiations on track and that again is functionally obsolete and dangerous mutual fund from the division we

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religious i told him like that even though i was taken as a favorite recital made this individual a healthy version i still want to keep them as friends and i used the term goes back in time with this crap game your conversation was alone feeling like they were a part

of us is yes equally invasion looters so now on notice that people on the road well he's making it work

so there is a problem in the wiring and now you talk about corruption it going to go on it's impossible he stated he wasn't passive all

right the video that was given to me at the time that the negotiations between the month when bob conversation he attracted a lot of them didn't seem like there was a lot of money a lot more occasionally there's we only funds and we figured we could change from across into were talking the other

letters will operate this is the second year in town with the possibility of a us and certainly relationship similar why are moving on to queens where i contacted a plainclothes amendments with the division and it depends on the falklands we discuss

current mean the end of the second division and business license til four locations at the first meeting and it's worked on and i was like no it's a game of course are usually under observation of a statement that divisional of horses it's an issue in

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