Erich Leinsdorf Interviewed by James Keeler of WHYY, 1961

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Mr. Leinsdorf I think this marks the third time that we've been together over the WHYY microphone and it's a great pleasure to have this opportunity to talk with you once again. Mr. Keeler, I don't count. It is always a pleasure to be with you. And when I say I don't count, I'm reminded of the old story, when the guest is offered another cookie, but the host doesn't he says "No thank you, I've had already three inches, and you've had already five, but who counts?" [Keeler chuckles] So I don't count my appearances with you because they are such a pleasure that I always look forward to our discussions Mr. Keeler. Well, well, believe me we enjoy them too. As we're recording this you're on Philadelphia conducting at

Robin Hood Dell for 4 concerts I believe, is that right? Right. And I think however before we talk a little bit about that, it's entirely in order to speak about the Boston Symphony. Toward the end of this past season, it was announced that you will take over as musical director beginning in the 1962 season. Yes indeed. You conducted Boson Symphony for the first time last uh this past season. In a series of thirteen concerts i say this was on tour and as boston and on to our think we have six or seven six concerts in Boston and seven on tour including 2 in New York. 1 in Washington. It must be very interesting to go before an orchestra for the first time, and note the style. And although of course you've heard them via recording, but certainly that's quite a bit different then being up on the podium in front of them. It was one of those strange situations, almost mysterious, which happen not often in life. From the moment I started my first [inaudible] in Boson, I felt

very very much at home, very much at home with the orchestra musically, in the hall, in sound, in every which way, the organization is top drawer. The people who run the organization just the finest type of people. And to give you an illustration of time I had there during my guest conductorship, I'll tell you 2 stories. Number 1 there was a long series of discussions because the orchestra at that time had no contract for the then-current season and only during my stay, which was way in the middle of the season, did they sign a new agreement, the orchestra and the management. But during all these days of negotiations and discussions there was not the echo of an echo which got to me that any discussions or any possible dissent was going on. The atmosphere was as peaceful-. Also, I want to point out how unusual it is for an

orchestra to play without a contract. Usually you hear about all these matters beforehand, and then you hear about the first-. Nothing there. They just had their negotiations, when they came to an agreement, they signed, in the meantime they had played half a season without a contract. The second story is that i wrote to the manager after the end of my stay And that for one particular thing i must express my gratitude. I don't recall in all that period I've been with you to have been asked once to make a compromise. Now I'll give you an illustration. One of my programs started with a short Mozart symphony. A symphony albeit in 4 movements but each very short, one of the earlier works, I think the total length of the symphony was 17 minutes. And as you may know in concerts there's always the question of latecomers, when can the latecomers be seated. And I was asked "Can we seat the latecomers after the first movement?" And I said "If you don't mind I'd rather

play that symphony without interruption because this is that kind of a work." "Please forget that we asked." This was always the answer. There was never any insistence on any of the practical material necessities. The music comes first. The musical necessities come first. And whatever else is there under consideration is being subjected to. Now this was the first whiff I got. And I cannot begin to tell you what it means because one is after all, day in and day out, faced with pressures to compromise on this and to adjust on this, and it was a good foreboding I must say and I felt very very cheerful about it. And of course and when about 2 months later, I was asked to take over the music directorship after the retirement of Mr. "?Minch?". I accepted with great pride, great happiness and aware that it is an organization which is an enormous tradition and is one of the all time great orchestras and great organizations in music. It's a

splendid tradition that our large American cities are building up with their orchestras is a well I- it has always impressed me as one of the- We have great tradition in many things, but I think as far as our symphony orchestras are concerned they seem to be a little bit above the, well, our other cultural activities. I guess there isn't any question that we do have the finest orchestras that there are Yes, but there are not many new fine orchestras. I think that if you count to 5, I'm afraid you will not find a sixth great orchestra in this country. Now I will not mention them because then we get letters and I'm accused of not including this city or that city. But I'm afraid that that we are not adding to them, and I can't quite figure out why this is, because after all there are other cities which are increasing in size and population and in demands

but they are not coming up as quickly or as readily with a great musical establishment as some of the other places which we know. So if we want to to strike a happy balance between national pride and self criticism we must we must now admit that we have not added to the great orchestras. Mm hm. I see. We have 5, and we have not added a sixth yet. I see. And it could be done. It could be done. Mm hm. As well as being musical director of Boston Symphony, you're also going to be director of Tanglewood. Yes, starting in '63. And I have read, I believe that it was in the New York Times, that you are spending some time there this summer. That is correct. As a matter of fact, after the conclusion of the Philadelphia Dell season after the end of July I'm going up to Tanglewood. Mm hm. I wondered maybe this is a little bit early to ask a question like this but do you have any plans as far as your repertoire with Boston is concerned? I have never heard you conduct Bruckner. You haven't.

Well, I did with a particularly gratifying results. The eighth symphony of Bruckner last February, or March it was, at the Royal Festival Hall in London and I must say it was one of my happiest of experiences because I did not expect an English public, undoubtedly somewhat sordid with ex-Germans and ex-Vietnamese, you know, as they have in London, like all the great American cities a goodly number of Central Europeans but still it was a problem, predominantly English audience and the enthusiasm which they manifested for this really difficult work, because 77 minutes you know, I do it without omitting one single measure. I don't believe that you can reduce a colossus to a normal size by cutting his feet off

you know and therefore I do not believe to cut to make omissions in Bruckner's symphonies. If they are too long as so many people maintain, well then they are too long for them. But if you want to perform them, I think you have to perform them without without omissions. And this I did and to find such warmth for a work of that length and that size was gratifying to me, because i believe that there's something special about Bruckner. Of course, you must not expect the same kind of excitement which you get in Beethoven or Tchaikovsky. Different ways. You see most of the compositions which are popular with audiences have something stirring and disquieting. There's some drama either on or below the surface, and that drama means conflict and resolution. And it seems to me that Bruckner being

an enormously peaceful man whose inner life was completely childlike, as we hear, devoted to God, very peaceful, not quite of this earth, that Bruckner has no conflict. Ah ha. His music has no conflict. And I would not be surprised if this lack of conflict were not the reason why people find him, some people find him, not as stimulating as other composers. Because there's no doubt about it that the music is glorious from beginning to end. It is gloriously set, the orchestra sounds beautiful the music is noble, it has very good form, except once in a while finale is a bit rambling, like in the Eighth, but the first three movements are splendid. [Less in] Adagio. Adagio is unbelievable. It is an unbelievably great piece. So is the first and second movement. I find even the last movement magnificent.

In its sort of block structure, you have one big block, and then you have another big block, and sometimes they don't seem to be quite connected. But the real reason for Bruckner's problematic position is, I think, the lack of conflict. Mm hm. I think it might amuse our listeners, one of the best Bruckner stories is when he was introduced, presented one should say, to the emperor Francis Joseph, to whom he had dedicated I think the Eighth Symphony if I'm not mistaken. And the emperor was gracious, and in the graciousness of his mood, he said "What can I do for you? Can I do anything for you?" A Bruckner allegedly said to his majesty or to the emperor, he said "Oh you're majesty, if you could just tell Mr. Hanslick not to write such nasty things about me." [Keeler chuckles] Now I don't if the story's true, but if it is true, if it isn't true, then it was very

well invented. Bruckner was exactly that kind of that kind of man. Very naive, very childlike, and seemingly without problems. And Hanslick was exactly that kind of a man too. Between now and the beginning of the 1962 '63 season you'll be returning to the Metropolitan. Indeed. And I know one of the notable events of this- final season in the Old House, is it not? No. unfortunately not. Unfortunately I say because the it's high time that the Met move. Mm hm. Because the whole backstage area is very-, I don't want to-, it is not near collapse at all, but it is very old, and what I always regret is when we have works, which are called cartoon works, with many scenes like Boris Godunov or Macbeth, that the changes take so much time you have these so called short intervals when the public sit in a

darkened house and nothing happens. And I always feel that when you have an opera like Boris the work is nearly killed by those intermissions. And we need a new stage to omit these intervals to have continuous shows in the works where they are required. Well then this would make Rheingold a problem, would it not? Well the Rheingold has been solved in the Old House. The Rheingold has been solved, and Wozzeck has been solved because of the special design that you just counted when you hold up on these. But when you have several scenes and when the scenic design of them goes a little bit often designs massive things, you know, which has to be rolled around and moved, then there's no space. Mm hm. We must move out the sets after each performance and they stand out in Seventh Avenue in the rain, it just isn't possible. No, no. Of the 4 dramas of The Ring which one is the most difficult to be brought off convincingly? Siegfried. Mm hm. I have no hesitancy to say Siegfried and the reason the reason is very simple.

Siegfried is a work where again there is a minimum of conflict. Compare Siegfried to the tremendous action that has taken place in Rheingold and in Die ?Walkure?. Now the first act of Siegfried is over an hour. And when you say "What happens in that first act Siegfried", you can only say this. In the first act Siegfried, Siegfried forges the sword. This is all that happens in an hour and 9 minutes or whatever it is [cored]. In between, there are most interesting things but as always Wagner takes his time to go through the exposition again. Now you have in those expository passages you have the famous length of the ring. Now in [Walkure] the expository passage is the big the big [narration] of [Wotan] in Act 2. When he brings [Brunhild] up-to-date on

what has happened, and of course the public up-to-date what has happened. Before [I got] [?inline?] got and [?between-line?] got in Walkure, particularly that we have to find out because we never heard about the twins which were begat by Wotan with a human woman. But then in Siegfried, we go through the whole thing very again. We go at it in the questions of Mime and [?Delandra?]. And we go at it in the narrations of Mime toward Siegfried, partly lies, partly truth. Now that first act of Siegfried, which is musically a marvel because it is so beautifully organized, it is such a magnificent form you can build that first [inaudible] like a symphony. I love to conduct it, because it has that symphonic quality and people often say Siegfried is the scherzo of The Ring, which isn't untrue, it's a little bit stretching a point because there is no scherzo of The Ring.

But that first act of Siegfried is so perfect musically. But for the audience to have these 3 men, and nobody else, I mean the dwarf, the wanderer who is of course Wotan, and Siegfried, and this is where the greatest problem comes in. The second act already has more more fairytale color, the dragon, you know, and the bird, and the famous forest [unintellible] and there's something. And then of course up to the first forest bird, for nearly 2 hours, only male voices. Mm hm. Very hard to take. Sure. Very hard to take. These are things which one doesn't always realize. But the monotony of having only one type of voice coloring because, why it's 2 different types of tenors and one kind of baritone and another kind of baritone and a bass but still,

for nearly 2 hours you don't hear a female voice. Yes, yes. So Siegfried is the most difficult to bring off. city to help to make for that glorious effective bruno that at the end of the third act or everybody's waiting for what makes them do it but after the second that sixty comes the big goals in the creation of the republican vote the first two works of the first to act of sixty and then he did not and in a signal this competition you have more atomic of it that it becomes more monday posted becomes more complex after the public secret that it has been

relatively soon they're certainly simple than mice to sing up over last two for the last forty years ago as a fully act right and a far more in the style of monsters that in spite of the motives on to say that there is a state of the revenue burden and this in secret so the focus you were really sick but it is two schools and you can say a b and then there'd be from licensing up and sing and that makes a guy they have all this evidence is because he is the most of the people who they are speaking of my system or two summers ago you conducted by assisting a violent

death and i might add that we broadcast that performance or individualize out but it must be new to say an interesting experience to conduct the pilot acoustically the hall is so unusual from the standpoint to go the location the orchestra it is below the level of the side of the audience as it is from new orleans and sketches in seven years and seven years on this thing because i'm obviously been about gloria is i have a lot of trees beyond belief to be ours that and for going back a second and i could not get it because of that overt something orchestra the i'm an adult

great great the club's debut on many years ago when the second season of the law so we have about a hundred and twenty and the viruses that you really from us here believe what they can those condoms your mission here he cannot really is conducting the orchestra because the orchestra in a closed space before the zombies out between the late sixth of explaining what these people like that is to get at the concept of an enormous force and they're singing about the colors and the audience so you really have a hard time getting the stage which

makes conducting about are very very good and the second is the subject of the typical the official i thought about is one the bar orchestrations course make nets drawn from all of a lot of the best i think the best man from and i might add it's an interesting for this moment well because they're really good people in the orchestra were lucky so they will get the body seems to transcend politics of the city with the sinners and he

also talks to you incredible obstacles are by standards of consolation the finest you can find him in these circumstances for her before and you that their final season closes will to get that organ at the scholarly long hyun also been very first papal states and all of that for the moment the vision about it accidental or markers of over the lavish the size of it because in my fussing or when this thing of the last seeing these two hundred and twenty in a house seat in a few people but i often read yes the whole world iggy a verbal message

that all public schools all over most magnificent office last fall hollande quote passages just can't help but i remember at the beginning of the last act of the mill car just incredible haven't yet thought what was your weaknesses that's occurred and you're going along here you're talking about tension and conflict lacking in certain areas of faulkner that and you're going to report as the one at the very very top of the law calls again your company that that's right i think the first act of our poll takes off

there's never lets you wrestle a supposed audiences today with the bridges and conflict we are so used to conflict both psychological political and emotional perhaps this is the piece that feinberg there's just in comprehensible i don't think that she was alone in that and i think that was the way i think the people always look in end of music and the law the dish empire in just want to point out that the the line is for suckers from belleville is not so writes in his decision or just the carnage and businesses but to have our conflict in music over more superficial person some solace in many areas of mosul to revive the texaco republicans focusing on giving as it doesn't and that's what a lot of

that oh wow certainly if it's political goals or a well as the morsels of things symphony simple chuckles an opera and nobody can say anything that he's motivated and crumples up and they don't think that that ever find anybody who would challenge is that there's not been composing a lot they're going to go along swimmingly very pretty order to face on the football no wrong note in the wrong place but there's just not enough tension behind his detention comes in or are comes from when you're going to get a good idea comes from something which is out six cent that accent the inside

but this year they got a small fry the spanish steps also in kind of the size of gaza church evolving separately kevin morby is just a little bit offset this you'll never get bothered them what convinced of the church that sample to live in the steps of the church with all these little there is a little baby how as during the side of his little bit off center of the church gives in that and it's used to lead and this year there's an actor mama ines a depression as it well set the summons and what it gets joyless a lot of conflict this eccentricity which makes it not too pleased at this and within the past year the recording of

which he issued and i like many others when the only word i can think of the gas but i'm absolutely thrilled i am not too long ago the quiet terrifying and over well once you are reports that having a four seasons where i don't think i do think with all without putting false false modesty that i could not to report not that we i mean all the opera's production team or was that a lot of engineers has the latest reporting that could not have done it had we not had these most stunning scene that's a combination oh no yelling news in the body and mentioning the novel that all of those we would satisfy the hundreds of homes that but you know he lives in the body and in with one of those very rare

combinations and that's going to be very heavily how you feel about doing that in relation to the rest will change you feel it does truly representative of the file was his heart really in it or was it an attempt to that well their sophistication perhaps age and used sophisticated man composer organic end of a development unintelligible big period there rights that include the end of his life and there's no doubt that that jenny jin he wanted to do more and take the things in his own mind works i think that a lot of the large forces represents a very very here's the end of that you

need to put himself into an empowered within the foundation lover now of course the key piece you have a book to write to have a family and that would've really given been the ultimate proof of congo with success along as it is now it seems that we owe the end up and recording the journalist come into politics or whatever you want to say it but there's a lot of stage craft singing tears oriental oh wow

we have the fortune of his generation to have a pseudo consumer or without becoming the gaza war ii clearly aren't and the live feed of the people of some effect on weapons there are not the votes some substantial their own lives all the models but how yes you're right yeah you lose your work which is not your life carmine governor is beginning although it was difficult to find of commons but i was big event but what about the cost of the work itself has his republican successes a great success in vietnam it was an enormous success and innovative than in

iraq and they were going to mention was it must be interesting you have now when you record office stage director too yes yes to direct the casinos are going to live to see indications in the law they come from when you were you know there was a mob of your rates go up and this is from the spectacle of the brazilian in a bobsled like our film actual people expected somebody to let you know what's coming next speaker as the move over a lot of arts moves along this and then comes out of that spigot and very much flora and we're also going to need separation of channels they are about as

miles away goals reading about fifty feet away from the scene i noticed in the photographs for the album that you were very far because i was at the va they enter and leave they live especially when you have like you know and go slowly and broadly it is not quite as difficult but the us gets on bowe liked pass based on the recent decisions on people it is very good in a curious thing about turned out my way of thinking is that for the first time in a puccini opera that i think are you not particularly

sympathetic toward there's only one person who really evokes a million euro you're hearing her on the whole yes yeah and delivered yours but they don't think another comes all at his own way judges ticket which is in moscow beautiful division was abysmal i love john ydstie gets back today speaking i i i think is a fine school that you know it has books in relations other workers for sofas beds of the law now we're talking about a way to respect about your moves the ball ends in exactly the

same way that you're constantly and emotion and you're getting on celestial special about that that this wall street are a classic example of all it brought a lot of a lot of his life four or five years that's right conducting in the opera house says contrast the two symphonic work you find that sense of music really in all its forms essentially a dramatic experience to be conducting in the opera is great well it may help a great boost to conducting mozart's symphony of our results are conducting an opal is an indispensable

prerequisite and that people have not had it and become great conductors like used on monday like ski up to be politically and more miles up the coast it is something that facilitates the conductor's in a newspaper and i think my head all full of men were originally people without it i think it is one of the greatest writers of the victims of american public that they can have a unique opportunity to conduct up i think the bitcoin development of women conductors will be so much more thoughtful well how american citizens about how john tiffany up for the debate yikes relax well the opposite

of export import export democracy about why shouldn't the most of the same level why nobody can tell me that that that the length of time and the united states possess the music is only limited to two pianists from this to say does it must be there as well derivatives instrumentalists probably in our great orchestras playing at a bustling fall on the end of all those killed and to get someone to conduct and now the great on availability of equipment in this is money matters is on them in discussions matter of this government the government says some city and the arts and setting up the national theatre and provincial know luckily i don't believe speaking of that money i don't believe money buys an interview in

jail which is not just in in the atmospheres and says it and thought thats it for some of our larger cities than what the audience is very difficult for me to imagine today that basically let him bond jumping out of the mri she suddenly discover that they must allow it is something which is not what indigenous and i do not see him if you get the subsidies they get more creative one and then to find out the one about not publicly but for such bills you can't subsidize things which are they're totally outside tokyo to do a lot to be upset with them you should subsidize things which are in public the monk and a paperweight of song so far but i'm

skeptical subsidy as a panacea rebecca curiosity about subsidy or nearly constant somebody with a substitute which is against government subsidizing things than that otherwise that can be made and i think that to come into being think of the patients recovered well there's a secondary or subsidized loans if they have subsidy i do not think that subsidy would suddenly is the standards is he was speaking he was facing i'm not i'm not but i have to

be diplomatic and apply to get any cattle or government post office that the subsidy and standards are not necessarily what the court decision don't know if you live their subsidy your mouth they show that the subsidy goes for the purpose of raising standards not just of maintaining mediocrity that you're going to date the organization i'm thinking all horrible to think of the cities mentioned where the organization's of those things are completely around by the group or have no customers want to perpetuate what they have for reasons for full of people the snowball

in the community as the levels but not if you just get to the organization is so upset that my record levels and your lower line and the post poll that we do nothing that would just release they also preview unwilling subscribers and those issues they want it is very unsatisfactory in relation to the size the importance of the city where there's no subsidy is necessary but if you want to attach conditions that means you have to send in a man there which means immediately the nation by government and then the people who are now i was like you're going to object because america's veterans of the polls no i don't think they point out

the big money on the government and get it with somebody and making jam of the ball but that'll be at the government in polls somebody is really at a secret you know i cannot go out because by this particular the jury out of the subject of the government subsidy government subsidy themselves these well so present some opportunities for somebody or your jewelry has pretty high standards is an administrative cock and where they see to it that that subsidy is used for the greater glory of music theater or whatever the case may be and it would be very difficult to have subsidies here in this country this is within our friend the sea eno

was a moment on i will be sorry about thank you guy the government's political not another is that government has thrown in the two were you toward a government were subject to fall i believe not or who live on that subsidy and say something which is true which is more who believe that have to the matter perhaps so the majority of the society well let me let me suggest one thing which is a very difficult letter to bring up because it brings up immediately that ipo problems standards income standards a lot to do to come up all

states must be agreed on bridges very difficult vote and i know the problem because they are laypeople or rather supporting organizations are not always i'm not always able to really know what the standards and i remember the gates at me i was broadcasting with the head of the mysteries of an organization i was so scared that i should not let the intifada was the two of them men in what is no longer an urban their stories without any identification and as we were leaving the book the station he gave me a lift that might help

them and said by the way tomorrow is armistice day in a concert and it was by some questions of portage program it that won the people who would be really good news because of you suggested that it might be very nice for the audience as those arms as they pay some of the patriotic songs like over there and of course at the same time i didn't want to find this man as was evident that it probably local call riek on obama's and compete though he was a german because he was in a a a a musical acts but it was challenging because he had good standing in the community and raise the money necessary to maintain the organs that he was happy to do it was good man a man of tremendous goodwill or was completely convinced without knowing music august the huckabee support the orchestra had to be made in the orchestra the

money so often that the poor fellow and then this can be done in those that the uk when your program making know so the beat the professional orchestra management either side of its aggressive it was no we're getting orchestrations of the music and the biggest job has been possible that given to perform that and let it go at that point that means conflict unless the standards are really that this is about the best of it was the queue up in the big organizations which you have in this country a lot more have a river running will have eyes and where you don't have organizations you're not their lives and buy some of the top stage they refuse to hire

people and this is unfortunately a common problem and i submit that subsidy to say cannot kill it's only people could joke about that subject is all right that subsidy has this awkward position we do not regulate matters olympic some people don't want to give money off the top and they're probably very much in favor of the state though the people the law particularly i've got to get in the government involvement be inconsistent with all the yelling and the little consistency fortunately an orleanian just as you were talking about a matter of faith which i guess needs then think through one of the tragedies of the poem that i think it

can't be that i can i can accept somebody say i do not like and that just tastes are well i am i am i was actually using the terms in the sense of both it mean the same thing to me that really low there in all this at the individual level i think that they're bbb samantha could also feels that the law but this is something which is the value of privilege i can then say i think you know i think is this is bad but in my eyes individually

oh well let's talk about your recording activity i know you had told me before you and your recording of never enters the recordings and one of the reasons i when i was just about getting around to was something alan that very much and that is watching the way so many great performances of conductors instrumentalists singers of the past are beginning to disappear it's incredible now that for example if you want to have many people who want to buy recording because of its beauty it's almost impossible yes i am appalled by that i'm appalled by the speed with which technology is doing away with it before is that it isn't that because for them that the book a ton of events and i guess but this is that is that they can all vote that we can no longer you know

that failure could have you do that a simple lack of clean you can hear him to don quixote but that's actually pumped up to say but there was an emotive more reasonable reason an option not like me not her at just double suppose but the bosnian war is that these things become addicted obsolescent and it also has a lot of people must reconcile that all the homes and so of course i don't always have a thing that i hope that because they may be interested in sounds very same time that they're going to be exposed to good things and eventually may take some real interest in the music rather than the fact that they are reproducing at say thirty seconds of second though this may

be an investor hurt by osmosis let us most is that it will get through to actually get tired of such a problem in the move onto something like when you're recording activities been recently let me go back a little bit in nineteen sixty eight called a three lp years for war wal mart effect going to come out i think in january nineteen sixty two i just walk in on a group of a couple of people pass because i'm very anxious about this sort of the movie festival has been invaluable as simple thing that can make and this was done with

fossil lists and they brought them into long they're not going to be overly just salsa music and family up shop yes and then to be eligible to europeans who are even of a less than either quarter the void now the investigation and i'm here with the gunman in the states where

you record the brahms second concerto written quite a whirlwind affair is all the government's role that wasn't great joy and the consequence was reporting at one thing that i really enjoyed perhaps it's a little bit out of my problems to ask a question like this but everyone including myself was the gravity is chaired by the temple reopening horn call for movement yes i think the system is likely model is like a big hall in the woods coming boom is because when you look at the display look at the way that young will be good not on doggedly dr who along the lines of the

long lines of the younger children on the floor before the yellow states he was also not know about about one thing when you look at the entire opening of the brahms concerto a big orchestra book he comes in is a free fantasy you want to have the home court and it got better than us in the second part of the home court at another job and then you have a fragment of the main problem of what vince and stings and then the gavel comes into the kind of opening of it so if you're opening in anyway i can call it is going to lose that sort of romantic a look

at something at the opening of the overall he'll come up and the first bar over reporter for our report before or is this awful lot this season which comes on it is not like the opening the goal isn't that a different thing and you are being pulled into a very romantic note on the allman twenty seven but not good doherty out onto the lawn cause the michael because i don't believe that it should be that way that it will not become the whole getting fewer votes than ideal hockey or because of the format to capture just kick it has a robbery him five for all

that if you sit down and just start putting their hands is you your meal that you must you and i worked as a ward this work as a number of completely unusual completely unusual features like the more it is all the classic the no job was the only one which is full of the woman obama just full six seven years been a writer without movement is beginning at the political and then something else you don't know if you ever stop to think of it the third the fourth movement and boyz marcus the first and second are going into an open normal bounds now we've got to really unusual it is made of a different shape now

then i think that all of these unusual those things which up totally unique individual that we juggle all to be sufficient explanation for that you want to do things which they will certainly aren't much alive the repairs to talk with you and i hope it will not be our last van veen says no no

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