Harry Emerson Fosdick: Man Of God In Conflict And Calm

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conflict and call for postage and decades from october first nineteen thirty when the first service was held in the newly completed riverside church until may nineteen forty six dr foti formally retired as senior minister at the pulpit and that church was the locus of what is widely recognized as the most influential preaching ministry in the united states in the current century soundbite of song cross the crowded into the church not only from every section of metropolitan europe but from every corner of the nation and distant part of the world overflowing its cathedral like sanctuary in chapel and auditoriums killing every room in which the cities could be amplified sunday after sunday following an uplifting service of worship a shortstop a dynamic figure ruddy cheeked crowned by which the graying hair that orbit and we're strong resonant voice with an arresting the rain and

almost as my last fall on the discourse or which ought to be duty waiting and which held every listener in america benjamin the victim so writes henri de venues and concerning the ministry of harry emerson fossett you may well ask what makes this single preacher so famous for their have another great creatures in american history names like glycol moody drug smokes and jonathan edwards on the line that you are a part of the generation that has grown up since that day when in the words of the chicago sun times not of isaac moved across the religious backdrop of this country like a giant perhaps a poor we need to be reminded of the unique place that every emerson cause it occupies not only in the memory of those who recall his ministry and were touched by it but also in the religious life of america during the first half of the century dr vas it was born on may twenty four taking seventy eight in buffalo new york

it is ever go to realize the changes that have come over this country since then at the time of his birth there were only fifty million people in the united states and forty million of those live on farms that because it recalls the america of his boyhood in these words it's true that i've lived through of idled at one of the most fascinating years in history and i'd had a fairly good heat in the bleachers to observe some of the amazing spectacle know i must be an old man now when i know the sort of thing i can remember i met cosby i hadn't done with like carrying an amazing variety of awful lot of whom oliver wood thought i remember the beginnings of white people and i remember that at a concert with clothes wine and fine time even the main street of the village were actually among strange recollection

five in memory as i think of those old they lack sidewalks what mandiant outside elevator back of your identity goes off man father moved to follow them the likeliest green wreaths codes of honor and i can almost believe that the way that when that her hotel in buffalo for the first time in his very often that we get the idea that one that had been brought home the bathroom is so wonderful that i can hardly wait till saturday night that was the america larry amerson barbecues and amount of small villages graceful tree lined streets it was in america where the family unit was all important that because it has given credit to his boyhood home as the greatest force shaping his life i had a beautiful home where religion was three i must confess however that by migrant evangelists came and heated up the fires of hell and status with

them i was well from or whether it was the good or the ugly sides of religion i always was concerned neither young far stick or anyone else for that matter realize at that time where is growing concern for religion would lead that he led eventually to the christian ministry in general and the baptist ministry in particular was not without pitfalls and problems well i had a heavy stubble without in the midst of my colleague course but in the end i came through one doubted my doubts and i believed in god and wanted to make a contribution to the spiritual life of my generation so i headed for the month larry amerson positive own graduation from college university and after year at the old colgate seminary now called it rochester divinity school in new york and added union theological seminary despite a severe nervous breakdown at the end of his first year

young farley granger best for the union theological seminary of the day which seeks to educate students for the ministry from those three quarters sobering prove it and unlike experience from union seminary he went to the first baptist church of montclair new jersey where he served for eleven years my memories of the long term and if they're very satisfying thing for the regret that my own shortcomings in my congregation sustaining with the landowners for which i am endlessly great i've seen many young manager's so mahler created by the first ferry that irreparable harm was done i was fourteen cause they had not gone to montclair alone he writes in his autobiography that on friday evening he had not a girl her name was farms whitney and on sunday i wrote my mother that i had found the girl i was going to marry a girl herself

he notes did not know about this preset that impression as soon as my mother did that issue did not soon suspected he must've been blind they were married just prior to harry politics venture as a festival where as his boyhood home was important to him so was the home over which he presided what it all might have been to the things we thought we'd i work together i cannot even tried to express what i cannot imagine my life without claire harry anderson far as it went on to become pastor of the first presbyterian church at fifth avenue and while street in new york jerry and churches downtown that we're uniting and they're ministers were retiring because of age and they asked me a dime for for sunday's pre job center i had no idea they were thinking of me and i don't believe they really were what they did ask me to become an honest i said i couldn't because i had no reason to change my nomination of affiliation nevertheless they they called me and i became guest preacher in one of the

alderman has to dr alexander took the facts straight and so big and the stakes of the most exciting challenging unhappy years of my life well i preached a sermon on shell a fundamentalist when those days there were there had a controversy on many people were having difficulty reconciling christian faith with modern science and many thought that they could not be reconciled and so they accused lee while liberal over or destroying the christian faith instead of trying to have to say that's an old story now with its past history with a tune mom was terrific right that was indeed terrific as documentaries and reminds us all right karen as they were known then as fundamentalists who sought to

oust him from the church by insisting ready to give up his ministry and about his denomination have deployed or ministry of the presbyterian denomination he was unwilling to do this and therefore retired from a visiting teacher should respect her church fundamentalists have to have an alternative object of their attack and i happened to be that person so that i'm a rather indignantly those rhythms the presidency of new york the governing body for all presbyterian churches in the city was at that time dominated by an extremely conservative element which held that in order to be a question once believed every single word of the bible to be a divinely inspired such a position is known as fundamentalism and the controversy between doctor thaws again the general assembly the final court of appeal in the presbyterian church has gone

down in history as the fundamentalists controversy dr vas excuse where that one must not leave his brains at the church door on sunday morning and then even the pre scientific worldview of the bible was not the only way to encounter the god of the bible enjoyed one did not have to believe in the credibility of genesis and the an ability of jonah in order to be a question finally borg now professor emeritus at union seminary and a longtime friend of the classics says that his greatest contribution has been to win the battle between argument isn't and intelligently we asked out to the viewer more about that you talked a moment ago about five to really fighting the battle between fundamentalist lobster and does one can and biblical criticism on the other sense that period there's been a whole generation that has grown up that really does not appreciate that struggle could be viewed as dr rice

this is new this administration what was the situation before the cap well the situation was that this is an oscar micheaux says in which we sell a review and say this is the pod passengers and that has not been hurt london accord with the mainstream someone culture numbers is no well made and then he gave them cruz's <unk> cruz is going to try and a make and to make it clear that you don't have to be an option nineties and have faith history has vindicated area muslim politics fight to maintain an intelligent faith

against all would demand blind conformity but it was not until caused it was forced to give up his corporate at first presbyterian church not that first presbyterian wanted him out like the contrary he was urged to stay and by this time the controversy had reached such proportions that in his letter of resignation that of isaac said my disinclination to become a presbyterian minister is not at all due to denominational reasons the proposal of the general assembly calls for a definite kriegel subscription asylum assumption of ours in terms of the westminster confession in answer to this proposal i must set by longstanding an issue of conviction that credo subscription to ancient confessions of faith is a practice danger is to the welfare of the church and to the integrity of the individual conscience let me add also that this general and longstanding attitude toward cable subscription is necessarily heightened by the particular situation in which i find myself

in theology i'll opinions which hundreds of presbyterian minister told i am an evangelical christian but after two years of him and attacks personal attacks on powerful section of the presbyterian church i face snow an official proposal which calls on me to make a theological subscription or else leave an influential pull that any subscription made under such circumstances would be moral surrender i am entirely willing that my theology the question i am entirely unwilling to give and the occasion for the questioning of my ethics the new york world commenting on dr vas digs resignation from first presbyterian road in an editorial out november twenty fourth nineteen twenty four one world can be expressed without impertinence that dr vas it may prove mistaken in saying i shall not continue to preach after march first in cinemas measure an unusual intensity the scenes and down with a capacity for preaching and teaching with what is known as the call

there is no lack of years there should be no lack of a real productive isaacs head of a platform for him to stand up on upright and welcome ultimate prophecy it was not long before harry anderson policy that john d rockefeller jr a layman of a park avenue baptist church has the rockefellers proposal came as a shock to the doctor thaws it would he consider succeeding doctor cornelius well and whose retirement was imminent as pastor of a park avenue church with candor dr vas it replied no because you are too wealthy and i don't want to be known as the pastor of the richest men in the country then silence followed and there was a lot of it was then i like your frankness that is a more people criticize you on account of my wealth that will criticize me on account of your theology it's helped to clear the area was invited to require that several other conditions the map the voice in the pastor of park avenue baptist church international more sectarian

restrictions on membership thus opening the church to all christians on equal terms the visitor ministers of other denominations to serve on the staff at erection of a new building that would allow wider ministry to the city to everyone's surprise these conditions were met and the riverside church which today just as high on a hill in mornings i'd heights came into being this is rockefeller recalls that during your long and increasingly close enough to just be grateful for that was then the painting has been innovating and americans and it was my good fortune to have kid friendly relationship or decade omar will remain when the map there is the most amazing experiences economists would often me love to get and many

have that the politics is mine as iconic in his hand and it's going to have the kids and making mutton know no one but only or very very helpful and then you have it then again the plans for the new building were drawn up in nineteen twenty six but fiat hectic years passed before the church was dedicated many and i ask why the mornings i'd heights area was chosen the major reason was that for money box alone there was no adequate protestant courage to serve those living in the neighborhood also lice provide a cultural setting unique not only in new york city but in the nation within close proximity were located the

union theological seminary the jewish theological seminary of america got a new university teacher's college and the juilliard school of music that's only the acropolis of ancient athens can send a sad morning side whites more richness in learning the opening of the riverside church not only gave her a emerson caused a roof over his head and a platform for him to stand up on its promises a hymn writer perhaps his best known him is god of grace and got of glory written for the formal dedication of the church on february eight nineteen thirty one where years it's both it's

b from the day of its formal dedication the church has attempted to live up to the charge given by dr foskett to the congregation still housed in the old park avenue edifice you know he said it could be wicked for us to have that new church with it whether or not is going to be wicked depends on what we do with it we must justify the possession of that magnificent equipment by the service that comes out of that if we do not it will be wicked it's all over the world at home and abroad whenever the kingdom of god is hardly stead the support of his church should be felt and like an incoming tide many an estuary of human need should feel its contribution flowing in that would be wonderful young men and women coming to their church

should have eyes is experience singing the lord high and lifted up his train filling the temple and if they should discover their their divine location whom shall i send and who will go for us and i should answer here am i send me that would be wonderful if however in that new temple we simply sit together in heavenly places that will not be wonderful but we also work together in on heavenly places that will be larry amerson fast a preaching over the next decade and a half so many people see the vision of isaiah perhaps no preacher in american history at any influence that he earned dr henry henderson says in no small measure this influence was there or was the food of unremitting so disciplined and habits of where exactly made them and rigorously vetted it sixteen hours with the

normal allowance for preparation and he sent me this were lost the standards right here just before in our nation's cities that we had which he was to reach the republican party of twenty eight minutes would be an excessive a lot of the sermon stopwatch timing revealed that the cement included within thirty seconds of the self imposed in part the secret play in a mysterious get which was aware that which escaped the attention of others not once but repeatedly he speaks of clairvoyance into the problems of individuals he himself withdrew the effectiveness of his preaching to one other factor which really important with him over the years the grounding of his sermons directed and problems and perplexes supposed to him in for small cars the un all these of course they the basic intangibles like dedication to christ's ministry through his job

because it had a global it's not only the problems of individuals that into the problems of people collectively listen to this excerpt of the sermon preached on october thirteen nineteen forty a cafeteria was then marching on check through europe and the severn was titled god talks to a dictator and the way i was they're thought god losing that camper either just punishment on rubio florida's stand law as syrian the rock hotline anger that was a red boat named for the profit that have to say to its own people but the fed he was like they both a private meeting with one of us when we made it out with indignation against someone who's solid scenes life is running out but if the client with

their weight a moment that was your own fault you brought back on yourself why is there as well to the people they stop heard that guided eighties that because babies for my plan from last weekend's the truth about ourselves today i'm sure we've missed the major meaning of archetype the day and the only hope of a worthwhile outcome we brought they thought that but they are on our phone in all his preaching area most in politics are clearly that there could be no healing without judgment no gospel without law and as that sermon excerpt below states it was not going to let his list is often easy by saying that the war was all of all of germany was it became a pacifist and in those he disagreed with his

close friend of reinhold niebuhr a portion here it is i was so disillusioned so first world war which was supposed to make the world safer lot sooner accuse he's so was explore whether by latino voters believe any war and i was in paris and i suppose in a mccain persons i must say that you respect for john lewis says that isn't true though we discuss with my wife and he often walking side ocular so he was and because of this news for issues

you do religious persecution for the patients would just say that we're going to slow oh oh and mr morton i think slowly world war ii led him on august seventh nineteen forty they give an address or the cbs radio network in which he severely questioned the government's policy of military conscription he wrote i think a real crisis confronts the station in a time when we are not at war and when an overwhelming majority of the american people are determined not to go to war we are being rushed home well

into military conscription has assembled national policy this kitchen is the essence of regimented totalitarian militaristic autocracy let us be honest about this under some circumstances conscription is necessary but it can never rightly be called democratic and yet when more came this testing as it was deliberate was that he never abandon his concern as a pastor for those caught and it's those the title of one of his wartime sermons putting christ in uniform and listen to this excerpt from one of his wartime powers anna and today we evolved before the fourth it's the old thing that we have gone through you and that nomination may be wrong on gripping a hand upon the young manhood of our people we prayed for our well our nation and for them or like or

those who willingly and through the national command and one of those who can be and they must re you with the farting war we read every amazon caustic is of course best known for his preaching the superdome which we have noted was his insight into the problems of individuals and his self discipline finally borg adds to this picture of positive as a preacher well you know for one thing one would win it's how i'm an evil aunts no he really was an artist he had was ceo edmunds the only solo he could deliver his sermon notes with complete so they lived with the poor social issues

as so he was a complete mess you are clear he he was in the air the years so this as i say air as a preacher myself that down a lot of the way of the world was the only opportunity launcher and fires it has less it is you know you really question how the nominees a profit of course he was two months ago i had the prudent got a man trying to be a property owners were very innocent cause it was a prophet a prominent religious liberalism that moment in america and europe which was in revolt against the old orthodox pattern

your mind off at oxy with its insistence upon liberal interpretation of the bible and its refusal to face clearly the findings of the island another scientific advances was heading down a dead end street closely allied with liberal theology was the social gospel the social gospel was an attempt to apply the principles of the new testament particularly the ethics of jesus to all kinds of social problems in america from drinking to prison reform it was out of this movement that such organizations as the ymca were gone our own liberalism had many scholarly exponent that defies that was its greatest popular spokesman is guide to understanding the bible thousands homeless choice between biblical literalism on the one hand and in infinite called of science all the other and was in part responsible for his difficulties at first presbyterian church in the late nineteen

twenties liberalism came under sharp criticism from a new generation of religious thinkers while attending to reserve the liberals passion for social justice and intelligent faith these theologians attack the rules for what they saw to be they're naive today among these early critics was run a label or who found animal isn't particularly in a socialistic and pacifist a cleaning easy solutions to complex problems that have caused it was among those with whom he omitted really disagree and i know that in an article that you wrote once in the union summer record review that just prior to your coming to be professor gideon seminary you wrote an article a chiding backfires tick slightly for what you considered at the time his lack of social prophecy but that you later thought better of that article and so i don't know as a

woman who's torso was deserted no it's great helen prejean and i and my initial enthusiasm for job loss or a school and it's so touching on until i said the word when he asked the treasury and the first one says the us is just a

four inch were in new orleans implementation of it my article he said the job for it i see you through an advisory that one bottle under his boat and i had a battle now there's a curious about that is that as i got to know him i thought that he was not only a great preacher and a great exponent of new procedures resilience of fundamentalism and that's about really thought there's no question about that he was a great motivator i think that nobody sense was that they had reached the airman so been really a long line to have great

city because there was no equality more passion and new movie without pretension thirty years and really raises a reason and so i am praise to always want more than we head into the usual i would not call myself homeless so long was only off a key condition amish law is a rose is a lesson on them the movie version that was the idea but a reason for it really bad it was a lot of work

and so i almost all groups and was folio that is a difference is going to live peacefully if i know neighbors attack upon the liberals as mullen the years have made him somewhat critical of the current theological climate and more appreciative of variables involved it time to liberalism salem ore two quick pace i now a look at the younger generation that they as an to theological difference in nice and even reluctantly being something quote i don't think there's too much focus on

his generation's generation religious climate both makes and is made by the teaching of theology at emerson far state teachers shape the religious climate of an era he had his big church as you know as you were wally was a professor who somebody had these two jobs and you know which was the location was the allegation was it was a religious liberty law going to clock in say the company had his hustle coffers is a new day was absolutely so everything was this was bloodier had this class and by many people would ever have ten thousand views on a priest who trample

on flying on her own show because of that for a number of one boy this is a it's a gas that show too and work that he preached this sermon on fighting money in chapel maybe some subsequent sunday already was a great minister businessman ministry and this boy named mr young man and managers who love well what can a person should listen to pause its own right and wrong places and they came back on monday and he was faithful it

won't be about this because you said one of his long island farmers had sent him one of the thing bursts are you and all the flaws they have the same idea i should have thought that you would have gotten from him except that he preached at the action new pursuit of money dr van heusen became president of union seminary the year that gary anderson retired before that time all other than talk together opinion dr randall isn't as president of union theological seminary you are probably in a better position than anyone else to assess dr foss its contribution to this institution over the many years that he taught here how would you begin to assess his contribution to union summer as he and so what wish to emphasize in the class where he taught a number of course is one in which was bought most widely attended course in the seminary and that day it has under the title i think certainly it and

bollywood hero which was subsequently published in his one of his greatest works the modern use of the rubble an automated every seminaries didn't make it but the largest classroom of the seminary has crowded with visitors voters who have predicted coming there you also taught courses in preaching voter registration i remember that was that the way we had four supremely preachers preaching what we call homiletic gross in those days but there he was by all odds i think the most valued by the students you also taught courses in the exit jesus certain books of the bible particularly jeremiah in the old testament and he goes in the new these were really courses on what might be called the preaching use

other students are not divisive are today found in pockets all around the nation and his name is still revered by the mall one such google is the reverend mr schatz of the lafayette avenue methodist church in syracuse new york dr foster it was not only the master preacher of my student days but he was a master at teacher i would be preachers no one could go to one of his classes on preaching without feeling that preaching was an exciting adventure and a most demanding discipline that your basic principles he taught us have stood the test of time and experience when one man who prof pollack said union thirty five years ago with us gentlemen what is the most important part of a sermon we were ready and we responded in unison why the text of course and i would please

his scotch heart but when butterflies because the same question we would answer why the people of course now both professors were right there opposed however was radically different doctor thaws dick insisted that a sermon must start with people where the people are with their needs their problems with their lives if you do not strike while in ten minutes you would say you'd better stop boring people must get that notion and quickly that you are with them otherwise they will not be with you for a very long by this approach that defies that made the bible come alive the vital to him was not encyclopedia printed texts it was god's answer demands need there was this constant dialogue going on between god in his lung and men in his rebellion

he taught us that preaching must never bypass the bible rather it must allow the bible to speak but the bible can speak only to those who are prepared to hear and hearing means becoming aware of the questions for words the bible has the answer to the person in one princeton but a plastics class was a terrifying experience and i can vouch for this from personal experience it was bad enough to have to face in one's own classmates but to preach before harry anderson plastic he would give the class the first opportunity to criticize the sermon and your friends would turn to it like a pack of families will and when there seemed to be nothing left that if isaac would show how much they have overlooked he never softened his judgments and that there was always a healing quality in them

suppose you'd say suppose you had done it this way suppose you had taken this approach or do you remember this illustration and he would quickly open up and imagine the possibilities instead of feeling rejected and discouraged the fledgling preacher was going up he was finishing up his effort but you know that the possibility of something good was there and he felt that he really did want to preach was this ability to inspire and to communicate enthusiasm that made out of plastic not only a great preacher but a grade teacher there wasn't caused it the preacher the defender of intelligent christianity the teacher was also fostered a planner and leader or public worship are exiles

audibly wound former student of politics and now henry sloane coffin professor a practical theology at union seminary assesses the past a contribution in that area i will my block caustic as a person tremendously skilled in the conduct of public worship and has a person's killed in the preparation offered a public prayer do you see this in many ways plants mostly in the uk offered a public prayer in the worship of the church is where you see come to focus people read his sermons they cherish his sermons but to his prayers are hardly less precious he grabs his best known in this field for his book grow and time of the problem of public prayers there he says the leading a coalition prayer is a work of art

goodman's expert skill painstaking preparation he says that hardly anything so cries to be a clergyman so sets a way so most urgent task as the preparation goes i would agree you have to sweat this real prayer comes costly and painful and this is evident in their is wrong and he was a scholar in terms of his knowledge of the classic prayers of the church to poison that for just a moment he could write his own prayer is masterfully but i suspect that he only be able to became able to do that because he had first emerged as ma and unsaturated his spirit in the classic the portion of the church one of the finest examples of harry emerson thought sixteen years as a writer of prayers is found in the litany of the cross spoken in every communion service of the riverside church led by the reverend phyllis diller walker

oh god of grace and glory we acknowledge before they are undeniable indebtedness we are the children of sacrifice are choices to ban addictions and then but with the price of other blood and tears that now has given us the inheritance of them that we're behind a world along and a half oh for our saints and now his prophets and apostles for all soldiers of the common good was at and scorn of consequence and found sleep unashamed of the world was not worthy

these or the cross of christ and is exceeding better sacrifice for the truce which there were brought to light the love unbounded which there was really given and the costly salvation which they are visited by people these the pain all by his loneliness in the garden i have the trail and his trial by the

humiliation of his people's hate the mockery of his body crown and the bitterness of staging by the anguish of his cross by his unfailing play in b and love the man these we we who are spiritual blessings to celebrate a cloud of witnesses who have suffered before us enterprise was cross is our peace as becomes those who are devotees deny grace and gratitude kind it has a giant and all manner of evil replanting

is ban on from neglect of blessings daily pictures from selfish use of opportunity a spa which good men died from growing within our hearts the venomous rants and covetousness from tampering ourselves with a instabilities and from oh a spendthrift wasting about costly heritage these we beseech thee with gratitude and fidelity you know just to the service of mankind with more courageously allow for a us from the detaining reluctance about the ear selfishness and i'm really and there is

also of remembrance day we you know christ joanna fresh the honorable company of thy true statements when sacrificial living shannon fellowship of crows long on air yeah yeah or teaching writing preaching these professions mastered by one man with an olive is alive

and illinois that if isaac secretary for most of his active ministry we ask his employees how long have you been associated with that thirty six and let's see if you have been within thirty six years you came within what they fomenting september nineteen twenty seven i was just before the riverside church was built yes they laid a cornerstone that fall november so that he was at union seminarian that park avenue baptist minister is where did you do most of your work for him he had an office it and in seminary was the nature of your work with dr foskett when i first went with him i was assistant to his secretary end up for several years assistant va secretary she retired in now see the nineteen thirty nine or nineteen forty i can't recall

what was it like to work for parker thought that was a very interesting job a sometimes pretty hectic you never knew what was coming up next norman mailer bring players from all over the world and and on all subjects to be a large volume of mail us them at all our program ryan the mail when he began his radio ministry broadcast pretty regularly after a nineteen or twenty six he had done some before that si se going through the records and he broadcast from his office on the eighteenth floor in all your association with dr foskett what would you say was the most interesting moment of your experience with him i remember that we used to get some very peculiar telephone calls sometimes

one man living over in flushing used to call us up periodically and as part of our state to have the church to stop the voices that were coming to him for more power in nineteen forty six area most invited retired from the riverside church and from unions seminary declaring that the retirement rules he had established were church employees must also applauded him he has been followed in the pulpit by dr robert j mccracken was direct preaching during the last seventeen years it's familiar the world over that's a hard at emerson first it belongs to the entire christian one over and over again he has been spoken of as the outstanding project of the first half of the twentieth century

to a degree that would be difficult to estimate his insurance has reached far and right but we eat at riverside played him as it was from our pulpit that he preached it was from the eighties it cost to the nation it was well he was a menace to hear that he talks which that affected and stimulate of the city of man and woman or around the world and most of us do it i get into one of america's most significant pockets the man who more than anyone else made vital christianity relevant to modern man

the teacher of hundreds of our finest preachers and a profound force to shape our religious life i thought this is the man we honor today to know generations have followed his lead perhaps this excerpt from one of his sermons will help explain why as i review some of the sturm und fiat me here or coming close you're an individual life private these are what you are and they particularly mean you i find myself increasingly impressed with the bait note that and brought four mop up on the road with you anna uncommon way we believe in god in general we are caught the spiritual life in general we think there might be something in prayer in general believe in the church in general

and try to maintain your picture in general longtime made income growth events in our religion the kumquat being very up i recall may lie and con man mark that didn't even know that one good will you're open minded but why the every five of a map or without weapon that they committing one fell twenty one thought many many many years emerson then of god in

conflict and called a biography of some produced by riverside radio don't really want to be a translation of the riverside church in the city of new york prepared and written by william grimsley say hey mara the pain is big