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<v Speaker 1>Conference length 58:28, date 8/28/73. <v Speaker 1>Director Harris. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mississippi press conference. <v Jack Schweitzer>Live from the studios of the Mississippi Center for Educational <v Jack Schweitzer>Television in Jackson. <v Jack Schweitzer>An in-depth discussion with 10 international journalists questioning six <v Jack Schweitzer>Mississippi citizens from various backgrounds and professions about <v Jack Schweitzer>life at Mississippi past, present and future. <v Jack Schweitzer>I'm Jack Schweitzer, moderator for the program. <v Jack Schweitzer>We invite you to watch and listen to this very unique press conference as these <v Jack Schweitzer>10 foreign journalists from nine different countries of the world delve into the history
<v Jack Schweitzer>of Mississippi. By putting questions to these six Mississippi citizens <v Jack Schweitzer>of various experiences and professional backgrounds. <v Jack Schweitzer>Before I give a brief background on how and why this conference is taking place, let's <v Jack Schweitzer>first introduce our guests. <v Jack Schweitzer>The foreign journalists are Mr. Guillermo Piernes from the Latin Muse <v Jack Schweitzer>in Argentina. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Jacob K.J. Ma from the United Daily and the Republic of China. <v Jack Schweitzer>Miss Marie Blanc from ?Provance Saon? <v Jack Schweitzer>in France. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli from the ?inaudible? <v Jack Schweitzer>in Italy. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Shozo Takera from the Nhung Karzai in Japan. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mrs. Betty Yalkovich from The Daily Telegraph in Great Britain. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Yutaka Matsumoto from the Fuji Telecasting Company in Japan. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr Rafique Malouf from the Annahar in Lebanon. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Andre Neff from the Tribune de Geneve in Switzerland.
<v Jack Schweitzer>And Mr Hans Christofferson from Norway represents the Nordic Muse Agencies. <v Jack Schweitzer>Our Mississipi panelists. <v Jack Schweitzer>Dr. John Peoples, president of Jackson State College. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Jim Rundles, special assistant to Governor Bill Wahler for Minority Affairs. <v Jack Schweitzer>Dr. Clyde Muse Meridian Public School System. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Charles Evers, mayor of Fayette, Mississippi. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Bob Pittman, general manager of Mississippi Economic Council. <v Jack Schweitzer>And Mr. Bert Case, news director for television station WAPT <v Jack Schweitzer>Channel 16 in Jackson. <v Jack Schweitzer>This conference is taking place as part of an expanding program of the United <v Jack Schweitzer>States Information Agency. <v Jack Schweitzer>Whereby foreign correspondents may have the opportunity to travel through various sectors <v Jack Schweitzer>of the United States in an effort to gain a broader and
<v Jack Schweitzer>a deeper understanding of the many different aspects of American life. <v Jack Schweitzer>The great variety of thought. <v Jack Schweitzer>Opinion, culture and styles of living. <v Jack Schweitzer>We'll take our first question from Mr. Piernes. <v Guillermo Piernes>Thank you very much, Mr. Peoples. <v Guillermo Piernes>We heard a lot about social progress of black people in the south, <v Guillermo Piernes>especially in Mississippi. Can you compare the situation of black people <v Guillermo Piernes>10 years ago and now? <v John Peoples>Yes, I would say there is a very definite and measurable change <v John Peoples>between the status of black people in Mississippi and 10 years ago. <v John Peoples>I came to Mississippi, back to Mississippi 9 years ago. <v John Peoples>Having lived in Indiana for 13 years, <v John Peoples>the time I came to Mississippi, there was definite fear among black persons, <v John Peoples>particularly when it came to being involved in political affairs. <v John Peoples>When it came to going to integrated schools, there was
<v John Peoples>a definite, I would say, poverty, which was <v John Peoples>quite obvious. <v John Peoples>At this time, I believe that people tend to take for granted <v John Peoples>that one can participate in politics or that one <v John Peoples>might go to an integrated school. <v John Peoples>That one might have access to jobs which will at one time <v John Peoples>forbidden for blacks. <v John Peoples>So I would say that there has been a very definite change as compared to 10 years <v John Peoples>ago. But this is not to say we've reached the millennium. <v John Peoples>We still have a long ways to go, but just to make that comparison, yes. <v Jack Schweitzer>We have a question from Mr. Jacob Ma. <v Jacob Ma>Yes, Mr. Mayor. <v Jacob Ma>So far it has I have learned that the state of Mississippi <v Jacob Ma>had abundant energy resources such as oil production <v Jacob Ma>and natural gas.
<v Jacob Ma>And only one year ago, according to a statistic, your <v Jacob Ma>power supply succeeded, exceeded the deman- <v Jacob Ma>all the demands. But uh a- almost suddenly there is energy <v Jacob Ma>shortages here. So I want to you give me an <v Jacob Ma>explanation of all that. <v Charles Evers>The first thing I would say is I have to agree that we do have the sources that <v Charles Evers>you mentioned, but we may not have had all the technical skill to develop. <v Charles Evers>And I think because of the the lack of money and the lack of maybe <v Charles Evers>of training in the past, we didn't have the kind of skill that <v Charles Evers>it takes to to bring about all these natural resources. <v Charles Evers>But we are getting a nice development. <v Charles Evers>I think it would appear at time we're going to have them. We're going to get to getting <v Charles Evers>people to come into our state from other places we've had these these experiences <v Charles Evers>and who had this training and who have the knowhow. <v Charles Evers>And we're most of all, I think a citizen of the state are willing to learn.
<v Charles Evers>I don't think anyone can sit and say that we have that we have reached our <v Charles Evers>the ultimate freedom and ultimate success of all of our problem we've had <v Charles Evers>will be done to work on. That's the whole thing that we are proud of in the ?Civil War. <v Charles Evers>We begin to solve many of the problem too ?particular into <v Charles Evers>use and develop many of the things that we have enough that we haven't developed before. <v Charles Evers>And only because, as I said before, we we didn't have the understanding maybe we didn't <v Charles Evers>have the togetherness and we didn't have the skill to do it with <v Jack Schweitzer>A question from Ms. Marie Blanc <v Marie Blanc>Yes, I have a question for you, ?inaudible?. <v Marie Blanc>We have seen a film this morning and uh two films, and in all the <v Marie Blanc>films, we didn't find one time. <v Marie Blanc>I think just one time black people. <v Marie Blanc>It was a ?joystick? film. I want to know the reason. <v Marie Blanc>Because we wanted to be surprised [someone talking over] about Mississippi and the South. <v Charles Evers>Your question is why there were no black tube in the film, [interupted by Blanc] <v Marie Blanc>Yes, because I think it's about maybe 40 percent of the population.
<v Charles Evers>Well, I think maybe it is hard to answer that. I think the answer is very simple, that <v Charles Evers>there are very few blacks who go on tours. <v Charles Evers>Number one. Number two, that many of us don't have the money <v Charles Evers>to go on. And number two, then usually same as in the war, the somehow the <v Charles Evers>cameraman just sort of followed most of the white soldiers, you know, just so happened <v Charles Evers>that this is a natural thing, I think, because we just begin to get a few <v Charles Evers>black cameramen around and a few black camerawomen. <v Charles Evers>But that's changing, too. We do have a few blacks around. <v Charles Evers>I'm quite sure that that will continue. <v Charles Evers>I'm glad you brought that within Mississippi. You saw that? <v Marie Blanc>Yeah, absolutely ?inaudible? <v Charles Evers>?inaudible? <v Marie Blanc>Pardon? <v Charles Evers>Was it ?inaudible? and you saw that <v Marie Blanc>Yeah <v Charles Evers>It was? <v Charles Evers>Well, we we're gonna have to work on that. We make sure that the next time we show a <v Charles Evers>film, someone's going to be in there. We don't intend to have we intend to have a state <v Charles Evers>where we are all included and that go for black and white and rich and poor. <v Charles Evers>And we're working is not permanent. I don't know my time. <v Charles Evers>I think that Mississippi is 100 percent changed.
<v Charles Evers>It has not. Nor has the country. <v Charles Evers>But the thing of it, is that we're working on it <v Marie Blanc>I think so <v Jack Schweitzer>Ms. Blanc do you have anything further to say? <v Marie Blanc>No, it's alright. <v Jack Schweitzer>OK, Mr. Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli. <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>Mayor I have a [interupted by Evers] <v Charles Evers>Ok now, don't team up on me ?inaudible? [laughter] <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>I have a political question for a political man. <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>You are a politician. [Laughter] <v Charles Evers>I don't know about that <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>That is the newfound participation of the black people. <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>And the politics of Mississippi is heading toward a 2 part <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>participation in both political parties or just concentrating in the Democratic <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>Party? <v Charles Evers>Well I hope, this is my own of personal view, I hope that we can have a strong two <v Charles Evers>party system. You see, I never believe in putting all my eggs in one basket <v Charles Evers>may, you may drop the basket and break them all. <v Charles Evers>So my whole thing is we need just like white people, we need blacks in the Republican <v Charles Evers>Party, we need blacks in the Democratic Party. <v Charles Evers>So whoever's in we got somebody in power we can go to. <v Charles Evers>I would hate to think that we now would be getting the right to vote.
<v Charles Evers>And we've got the right to vote and get the right to register without too much <v Charles Evers>intimidation that we said and wouldn't put all of us in the Democratic Party and all <v Charles Evers>in the Republican Party. And we're suddenly an all black party. <v Charles Evers>We've been, all black all our lives and had nothing. <v Charles Evers>And I don't want no parts of that. But I think we should beat into the mainstream. <v Charles Evers>I think it's what we do where we hit it. We do have some black Republicans and some that <v Charles Evers>we don't want to admit it. You know what? All the problem we have in the Republican Party <v Charles Evers>right now. But we've had the same problems. <v Charles Evers>Not as bad. We've have problem I guess in the Democratic party too, but to answer your <v Charles Evers>question, I hope we go in both parties. I would like to see it even worse. <v Charles Evers>I'd like to see 25 percent blacks in Republican Party, 25 percent black and <v Charles Evers>Democrat Party and 50 percent blacks independent. <v Charles Evers>Then we'd have some [Interupted] <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Shozo Takera <v Shozo Takera>Yeah, well, could some of the panelists. <v Shozo Takera>And could you elaborate on some just <v Shozo Takera>on a little more to your program to encourage <v Shozo Takera>the minority business ?inaudible?
<v Shozo Takera>What are you making and what are you doing to <v Shozo Takera>try and encourage black business? <v Jim Rundles>I might touch on that just briefly, sir, in working through the governor's office, I <v Jim Rundles>might say that the governor, as I pointed out in some notes to you there, encouraged <v Jim Rundles>minority business. The state affords a <v Jim Rundles>small business assistance loan <v Jim Rundles>through a legislative act of 1972 where any small <v Jim Rundles>minority person can borrow up to 33 thousand dollars to help him in business. <v Jim Rundles>Further, the governor has made a create a liaison between blacks <v Jim Rundles>had him in his office encouraging the establishment of banks, small <v Jim Rundles>businesses and this type thing. <v Jim Rundles>This is just one thing that many go on on. This is just one. <v Jack Schweitzer>Miss Betty Yalkovich <v Betty Yalkovich>Mr. Pittman, I think most of us work <v Betty Yalkovich>in Washington and have very much pull but I was wondering what help you
<v Betty Yalkovich>would like from the federal government on your economic planning or if you have any <v Betty Yalkovich>complaints about federal government economically speaking. <v Bob Pittman>Alright. Thank you. First, let me explain that the Mississippi Economic Council is a <v Bob Pittman>private, non-governmental organization. <v Bob Pittman>I think this is important. This is an organization of Mississippi's business <v Bob Pittman>and professional leadership with something like 3500 members throughout the state. <v Bob Pittman>So I want to clear that up. We are a private organization. <v Bob Pittman>No government funds at all. <v Bob Pittman>At the same time, we recognize the role of the government, both local, state and <v Bob Pittman>federal. In all the work that we are trying to do to encourage the economic development <v Bob Pittman>in Mississippi, we have. <v Bob Pittman>As a matter of policy by the council, recommended that the <v Bob Pittman>local governmental agencies and the state government look to the federal government <v Bob Pittman>for any help which may be available. <v Bob Pittman>We maintain a close liaison with our congressional delegation, <v Bob Pittman>with such even non-governmental organizations as the US Chamber of Commerce,
<v Bob Pittman>Council of State, Chambers of Commerce, other organizations like this. <v Bob Pittman>So a broad, general answer. <v Bob Pittman>We are encouraging the local communities, the local governments and the state government <v Bob Pittman>to participate in the federal program, which they believe to be a benefit to the local <v Bob Pittman>and state area. <v Jim Rundles>May I ask what if you had any preconceived ideas about the state <v Jim Rundles>of Mississippi before you came? If so, what were they? <v Andre Neff>We don't have [audio interference] <v Hans Kristofferson>Well, if I may answer that, maybe I should say <v Hans Kristofferson>that most people outside of Mississippi have preconceived ideas about Mississippi, <v Hans Kristofferson>especially I've been reading for over the years about them, <v Hans Kristofferson>about the conditions in the south and the struggles, the racial <v Hans Kristofferson>problems and all that. <v Hans Kristofferson>I think that, therefore, it's very important for us who are covering <v Hans Kristofferson>the United States from Washington to come down and see and especially personally,
<v Hans Kristofferson>I think is very interesting, because I was down there first time in 1964 <v Hans Kristofferson>and I can see the changes that have occurred. <v Hans Kristofferson>I see the new buildings coming up. And of course, it's a superficial view we get, but at <v Hans Kristofferson>least it's. <v Hans Kristofferson>It backs up what you're saying that changes are coming. <v Hans Kristofferson>And I've been coming very fast. <v Hans Kristofferson>I think, yeah. Many people did not believe at that time <v Hans Kristofferson>that it would happen, you know, that fast. <v Hans Kristofferson>They thought this was a boom, you know, for a few years and then it would die down again. <v Jim Rundles>Preconceived might have been the wrong word. But could we get another answer in that <v Jim Rundles>vein? <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>We had no hope for you because of <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>what we read in the American media books, peoples <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>television. I think it was a with good intention <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>to have the civil rights to help to
<v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>stop these wrongs made to black people. <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>But was the school's intention, the American media made some <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>very bad propaganda for the state of Mississippi, not just to do the white, but to <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>the black population. <v Charles Evers>I can't always agree. <v Charles Evers>I think we got to be ?inuadible? and fair. <v Charles Evers>But Mississippi has been just about as bad as you've read. <v Charles Evers>No one would be lying to you. I'm going to sit here and let you believe that we've been <v Charles Evers>saints all the time. It's been terrible. <v Charles Evers>It's been almost impossible to live here. <v Charles Evers>But things are changing. And I'm not going to tell you because, you know, 10 years ago, <v Charles Evers>there wouldn't a single black in a public school. <v Charles Evers>10 years ago, I went to say single black. <v Charles Evers>with the highway department. 10 years ago, there wasn't a single black <v Charles Evers>in the State Department. 10 years ago, there wasn't to single black, as I know of, elect <v Charles Evers>official nowhere in the state. Ten years ago, there wasn't but 28,000 blacks <v Charles Evers>registered in the whole state. So let's don't get the wrong impression. <v Charles Evers>We are changing, but it ain't been, you've been reading just about fair.
<v Charles Evers>10 years ago, there were lynchings and there were mobs and there were killings. <v Charles Evers>And 10 years ago that there was povero. <v Charles Evers>You could could it would have made you know, let's be fair enough or let's not start <v Charles Evers>painting the picture that we ain't had all these things- we did have them, but thank God <v Charles Evers>things are beginning to change and they're changing gradually. <v Charles Evers>We still have in this state the blacks, and that would find <v Charles Evers>a promise in cities. We still have in this state where blacks can't get out,? <v Charles Evers>I'm glad here, but just as long as an SBA loan? <v Charles Evers>assisted by the government. I don't know about this, we glad to have this. <v Charles Evers>But I think we got to be fair now and tell the truth. <v Charles Evers>That all the way down that Missippi ain't no bed of roses, there's still <v Charles Evers>a lot of problems. But as I said before, we were working on them and I think black and <v Charles Evers>white are being. We still have almost most of our white <v Charles Evers>students in these small areas in private, surrogated schools <v Charles Evers>and we were still have some of these problems, but its changing. <v Charles Evers>We do have a lot integration, but now we have been wholly accepted cause uh you just stay
<v Charles Evers>around while you'll see there's a whole lot to be done in this state here, like all over <v Charles Evers>this country, like New York, like Chicago, like Detroit. <v Charles Evers>I just love Denver, Colorado, to come back to get here. <v Charles Evers>You got to go after everything. We've we've black folk got to brake. <v Charles Evers>We are a heck of a lot better off in Mississippi with all of this problems then there are <v Charles Evers>in Denver, Colorado. I just left there. <v Charles Evers>So, I mean, I don't want you to think that America has gonna be the great land of freedom <v Charles Evers>and land of hosp- hosp- it's not that yet. <v Charles Evers>Nor is South Africa. You know and nor is certain parts of Europe where blacks <v Charles Evers>are denied and minorities. I think I just want to make sure that you don't think I won't <v Charles Evers>be a part of saying that is all roses, it's not. <v Charles Evers>It's but thank God we're working. <v Clyde Muse>May I respond? [Interupted by another speaker] I'd like to respond to one thing that I <v Clyde Muse>think the mayor was in error. <v Clyde Muse>He made the statement that 10 years ago there were no blacks in public schools. <v Clyde Muse>This is not true course our public school system was <v Clyde Muse>a segregated system. <v Clyde Muse>And I'm sure that's what he was referring to. <v Clyde Muse>Maybe no blacks. [People talking over]
<v Charles Evers>That's what I meant, I'm sorry. <v Clyde Muse>Integrated school. <v Charles Evers>I meant in integrated schools <v Clyde Muse>And uh let me refer to some statistics he was relating to the integration of the public <v Clyde Muse>schools in the state. Actually apparently now there is less than 7 percent <v Clyde Muse>of the total school population in private segregated academies <v Clyde Muse>in the state. So we need to get in focus of last year's enrollment of <v Clyde Muse>over 526,000 people <v Clyde Muse>enrolled in the public schools of the state. <v Clyde Muse>And of that percent, approximately 50 percent were black <v Clyde Muse>and approximately 50 percent were white. <v Clyde Muse>Admittedly, there are some areas of the state, as he indicated, that probably <v Clyde Muse>very high majority of the school populated with is black. <v Clyde Muse>But when you look at the state, you've got the most probably the most integrated school <v Clyde Muse>system in the United States in the state of Mississippi today. <v Jim Rundles>Mr. Muse, doesn't Jackson rate kind of high on the level of integration
<v Jim Rundles>as far as schools are concerned, of cities across the country? <v John Peoples>About 5th or 6th I think, Jackson, Mississippi, so. <v Jim Rundles>We're making breakthroughs, but as you see, it's not not all together. <v Jack Schweitzer>Any other further comments from the uh? <v John Peoples>I have a comment on that. I would amplify the statements regarding integration. <v John Peoples>But I do think we need to be aware that inspiration has brought his problems. <v John Peoples>Case in point of numerous black <v John Peoples>principals have been demoted and a lot of black teachers <v John Peoples>have lost their jobs. <v John Peoples>And so there are some misgivings among the <v John Peoples>blacks as to whether or not there's this integration <v John Peoples>is to their best benefit. <v John Peoples>And I think we have a similar concern among the black colleges as to whether or not <v John Peoples>integration will work to their demise. <v John Peoples>Where they will work to their future development.
<v Jack Schweitzer>We have a question from Mr. Yutaka Matsumoto <v Yutaka Matsumoto>During this trip, I have so <v Yutaka Matsumoto>many times about Japan. <v Yutaka Matsumoto>Some of them from Japan and some of them implies Japan. <v Yutaka Matsumoto>So I would like to ask, how <v Yutaka Matsumoto>is your impression of Japan or Japanese? <v Yutaka Matsumoto>And how are you expecting Japan to develop the <v Yutaka Matsumoto>South's? Specially in economic view. <v Jim Rundles>Well, I might just say, I don't know. <v Jim Rundles>I give a complete answer that I might just say that the governor's trip to Japan earlier <v Jim Rundles>this year might, in some respects, answer your question. <v Jim Rundles>Very, very high regard for Japanese culture, its trade, <v Jim Rundles>its people. And I think he's going back. <v Jim Rundles>That is a way he lives off a more business relationship between the two countries,
<v Jim Rundles>specifically Mississippi and Japan, the state of Mississippi and <v Jim Rundles>the Japanese country. <v Yutaka Matsumoto>May I ask to Mr. Pittman's the same question? <v Bob Pittman>Yes. And I would agree with what Francis just said. <v Bob Pittman>We look upon Japan as a prime target <v Bob Pittman>for trade in Mississippi. <v Bob Pittman>This is the reason for the governors trip. I was in the office of the marketing council <v Bob Pittman>yesterday discussing this, and they are very optimistic about the possibilities. <v Bob Pittman>So we admire the economic progress made there. <v Bob Pittman>And I say, look, on this as an area in which there may be a very significant <v Bob Pittman>exchange. [People talking over each other inaudibly] <v Bert Case>Question and comment [interrtupted by others]. <v Bert Case>I was in your country in 1969 for only 24 hours. <v Bert Case>I saw Tokyo, but I was amazed and impressed. <v Bert Case>I expected to see still ruins from World War Two and I saw none <v Bert Case>of that. You're modern facilities are amazing to someone from this part of the <v Bert Case>country to see to see how you you've reconstructed it.
<v Bert Case>I've often thought that it would be an ideal union for Japan <v Bert Case>and Mississippi here you've got technology and ability. <v Bert Case>And we've got land and resources, things you don't have. <v Bert Case>It seems to me that Japan would have unlimited opportunity <v Bert Case>and be using some of your foreign capital you have stored away there. <v Bert Case>Some of our money stored away there to bring it back and develop this this very <v Bert Case>poor state. <v Charles Evers>And I'd like to add to that. That that being the mayor of Fayette, we have an industrial <v Charles Evers>park.[Laughter] We always solicited the business. <v Charles Evers>And I want to know that we know no color, no race in Fayette. <v Charles Evers>We'd be glad to have you come down, we'll give you as much land as necessary <v Charles Evers>and we'll furnish you all of the labor long as you pay a decent wage and we'll be glad to <v Charles Evers>have ya. And so if you're thinking about coming to America and particular Mississippi, <v Charles Evers>think about Fayette first. We just did not ?inaudible? <v Charles Evers>The mayor always plugging for his own town. <v Charles Evers>And that's for the the state too, you know. <v John Peoples>Mr. Schweitzer could I comment [Interupted] <v Jack Schweitzer>Yes, certainly
<v John Peoples>Not to distract this caught court note. But I think you should be aware that <v John Peoples>there still is some latent prejudice against Japan. <v John Peoples>Many of us who were vets of World War Two. <v John Peoples>We still see the old propaganda movies out of the Americans <v John Peoples>against the Japanese. I believe that within the last two weeks <v John Peoples>that wasn't an editorial about papers which said that the Japanese economic <v John Peoples>invasion is doing what. What, they couldn't do it at Pearl Harbor. <v John Peoples>I believe you or someone you saw that. <v John Peoples>I believe that The Wall Street Journal is carried something about the great Japanese <v John Peoples>invasion. And we went abroad last year <v John Peoples>and we saw well, most of the people who were traveling were Americans, Japanese and <v John Peoples>Germans, who apparently were the ones who were the most affluent. <v John Peoples>But I'm pointing out that your questions seem to have been what do <v John Peoples>Americans think about Japanese? <v John Peoples>And I believe that we are gradually overcoming the
<v John Peoples>propaganda that was put out regarding ?inaudible? <v John Peoples>World War 2. But now there is a gradual <v John Peoples>reaction to your economic aggressiveness that you do need to be aware of. <v Jack Schweitzer>Could I help possibly to clear up, if there may be any doubt in Mr. Matsumoto's <v Jack Schweitzer>mind? I think he wa- he wanted to know if there specifically any serious <v Jack Schweitzer>anti Japanese feeling in the state of Mississippi. <v Jack Schweitzer>Any serious feeling? I would say no, ?inaudible? <v Bert Case>I would s- could I reply? <v Jack Schweitzer>Yes, certainly. <v Bert Case>From. From an electronics standpoint, being in the television business, sir. <v Bert Case>There's great respect within the broadcasting business in this country and in <v Bert Case>Mississippi. To your your fantastic innovation here. <v Bert Case>Your militarization of things. Your your Sony Trinitron picture tube for which there <v Bert Case>is no match. <v Jack Schweitzer>I think that about answers the question, Mr. Rafique Malouf. <v Rafique Malouf>I'm uh, I want to ask a question for Mr. Pittman and uh
<v Rafique Malouf>any other want to response. <v Rafique Malouf>The question is, what's the difficulties as a businessman man and <v Rafique Malouf>which the state of Mississippi is facing and have developed an economic <v Rafique Malouf>development and environmental problems? <v Bob Pittman>That may be two questions. <v Bob Pittman>One, the most difficult problem we're facing and then you mentioned environmental. <v Bob Pittman>Let me start as a general statement, say that it appears that the most difficult problem <v Bob Pittman>we're having is something that the mayor has already mentioned. <v Bob Pittman>This is the education, the people of Mississippi, largely unskilled <v Bob Pittman>labor. We're moving in the direction of trying to upgrade our labor <v Bob Pittman>force. So this is a tremendous problem in Mississippi. <v Bob Pittman>But we're overcoming it now specifically in the field of the environmental problem. <v Bob Pittman>I would say at this point, at some of these gentlemen may disagree with me that <v Bob Pittman>Mississippi is very fortunate in that perhaps we are behind some of the other states in <v Bob Pittman>our economic or industrial development because we do not have these
<v Bob Pittman>significant environmental problems that some of the other states have. <v Bob Pittman>We do have some problems. We have some problems along the Gulf Coast <v Bob Pittman>with the the sewage facilities along the Gulf Coast, <v Bob Pittman>the the the treatment of raw sewage systems, treatment of waste, this type thing <v Bob Pittman>within the local communities. <v Bob Pittman>There are some problems on a limited basis, I would think, as to the the <v Bob Pittman>the discharge of waste material for manufacturing plants and open streams <v Bob Pittman>we have on Air and Water Pollution Control Commission in Mississippi, which seems to be <v Bob Pittman>making some progress in this field. <v Bob Pittman>Then at the local level, local government levels, problems of waste treatment, <v Bob Pittman>this type thing. That is responsibility of the local government. <v Bob Pittman>Again, moving into this field, perhaps not as fast as we would like, <v Bob Pittman>but certainly recognize that we do have some problems. <v Bob Pittman>In general, we are making some strides. <v Bob Pittman>We don't have the problem some other states have, and we're fortunate in this respect, I <v Bob Pittman>think.
<v Clyde Muse>Let me respond a little further on the idea of a vocational technical <v Clyde Muse>education. Since 1963, our <v Clyde Muse>state is undergoing tremendous expansion in this area. <v Clyde Muse>And the beginning was in our junior college development of a vocational <v Clyde Muse>technical skilled in the upper 13th and 14th year rather <v Clyde Muse>than freshman and sophomore year of college. <v Clyde Muse>Then following on end this year, the high school <v Clyde Muse>has expanded its vocational technical training programs to the point <v Clyde Muse>that almost now every community you have vocational technical centers <v Clyde Muse>that are available. So you have a development now of career education <v Clyde Muse>in our state that is expanding to that idea that to train <v Clyde Muse>individuals to go into the area of work that they desire. <v Clyde Muse>So I think this is real significant, this expansion in this area. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Andre Neff. <v Andre Neff>Mr. Mayor. Last Sunday in New York, Time magazine.
<v Andre Neff>It wasn't a long article by a black writer living here, Jackson, Mrs. <v Andre Neff>Alice Walker. And she said that if Martin Luther King would <v Andre Neff>j- come back to the Mississippi, you would be appalled by the lack of radicalism <v Andre Neff>in the black middle class. <v Andre Neff>And I find finding that turns are more interested in car and other consumer <v Andre Neff>goods than in giving money to a civil rights or poor people organization <v Andre Neff>like the the SCLC. <v Andre Neff>I'm wondering if you would care to comment on that or anybody else also? <v Charles Evers>Well, number one, I think she has a right to write what she wants to. <v Charles Evers>I hope that ever black American is trying to become a middle class and upper class, that <v Charles Evers>we all live in the low class all our lives. <v Charles Evers>I certainly hope that the time has passed where we have to go out and contribute to <v Charles Evers>some other girl, said a lunch counter. Get a hamburger. <v Charles Evers>But I don't think she meant. I think that what Ms. Walker probably meant, was that the <v Charles Evers>middle class blacks are usually the ones who just take for granted
<v Charles Evers>that someone else can do the job? <v Charles Evers>And I don't know. Well, that's altogether true. <v Charles Evers>And that. But there's some validity in what she's saying. <v Charles Evers>I would like to think that most blacks as whites in this country <v Charles Evers>are looking for a good job, a good education and a good house, a good automobile. <v Charles Evers>That's a funny thing. Once you get those things, they're just not too concerned about <v Charles Evers>going any further and it's just a natural thing, I think Middle-Class Blacks are actually <v Charles Evers>different from middle-Class Whites or middle class Frenchmen, middle class Chinese and <v Charles Evers>Japanese or whatever I think when you once you reached the point of some sort of <v Charles Evers>security, you just don't push as hard. <v Charles Evers>Which is unfortunate for us because blacks haven't don't have that much leverage. <v Charles Evers>Or we can just relax. But we do. <v Charles Evers>We're no different from white people, from anybody else. <v Charles Evers>A bl- a black doctor, just about as is bourgeoisie as a white doctor. <v Charles Evers>He's just about a sensitive as a white doctor. <v Charles Evers>A black school teacher just about as sensitive a white school teacher. <v Charles Evers>That's why we having a problem now in our public schools where, as Dr.
<v Charles Evers>Peoples said we've now begin to do to somehow degrade black principals <v Charles Evers>by putting them as a system to the system. <v Charles Evers>That's to do nothing and may put them in the parking lot. <v Charles Evers>The ?walk to cause mart? that hurts him. <v Charles Evers>His morals and his his own prestige. <v Charles Evers>So I think that the answer to that's that is that the blacks are just people. <v Charles Evers>And we can never get folks to understand that, that we like the same thing anybody else <v Charles Evers>like. That we enjoy the same comfort everbody else enjoy. <v Charles Evers>And we want the same kind of life everybody else want and no different. <v Charles Evers>I think that's the only way I can answer that. And I think that Ms.Walker, my dear <v Charles Evers>friend. I went there, you know, to try cut her one way or the other cause she and I very <v Charles Evers>close. But I think in a way she has a point there, but she got to remember also that she <v Charles Evers>and all the rest of us are sort of middle class. <v Charles Evers>And we might not kick quite as hard right now as we used to kick and, because we may just <v Charles Evers>don't have to kick that hard. So but we need to keep kicking, you know, to keep getting <v Charles Evers>in because that's one thing our white brothers and sisters have taught us and other <v Charles Evers>groups of race have taught us that you got to keep pushing. <v Charles Evers>You've got to keep fighting. And I agree.
<v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Hans Kristofferson. <v Hans Kristofferson>I have a question for Dr. News, is that correctly pronounced? <v Clyde Muse>Yes. <v Hans Kristofferson> Next Monday or Tuesday, I think schools are starting again. <v Clyde Muse>Started yesterday, most of em in the state. <v Hans Kristofferson>I see. My question concerns bussing. <v Hans Kristofferson>I understand that. And after what I read anyway, and some <v Hans Kristofferson>places in Mississippi, white parents have taken <v Hans Kristofferson>their children out of schools, public schools started private schools instead <v Hans Kristofferson>of allowing them to be bussed to integrated schools. <v Hans Kristofferson>Could you tell me a little bit about that problem and how you're solving it and what the <v Hans Kristofferson>situation is today? <v Clyde Muse>The idea of bussing really is <v Clyde Muse>misunderstood by a lot of people. In our state, <v Clyde Muse>every child that lives outside a municipality and over a mile from school <v Clyde Muse>is eligible for free bus transportation provided by the state of Mississippi.
<v Clyde Muse>So you have a considerable amount of school busses in our state that transport <v Clyde Muse>children to schools that they've been assigned, a vast <v Clyde Muse>majority of the school districts in the state are under the court orders that <v Clyde Muse>specifically designates certain schools with areas <v Clyde Muse>in attendance told that children will attend. <v Clyde Muse>So consequently, you do have a lot of transportation provided <v Clyde Muse>children, both black and white, to the various schools <v Clyde Muse>and in others students to to the various schools. <v Clyde Muse>Now there are to my knowledge, 3 cities that have been <v Clyde Muse>ordered by a federal court to bus inside the city limits, <v Clyde Muse>which is not provided by state law in the state. <v Clyde Muse>So there's considerable amount of transportation. <v Clyde Muse>But essentially 3 school districts, to my <v Clyde Muse>knowledge, that's been required to bus inside a city limit.
<v Clyde Muse>Now, in regard to this other statistic that I mentioned earlier, <v Clyde Muse>when you compare the state of Mississippi's public school enrollment to the <v Clyde Muse>percentage of pupils in other states of the union that enroll in the public <v Clyde Muse>school, we come out very high, as I mentioned, last year, there was <v Clyde Muse>approximately 89 percent of all <v Clyde Muse>the pupils in our state, in the public schools, in our state. <v Clyde Muse>And there were approximately seven percent that were <v Clyde Muse>in the what he referred to as private academies. <v Clyde Muse>This has developed since 1969, primarily when most <v Clyde Muse>of the desegregation began to take place in that state. <v Clyde Muse>And there has been in some area, some areas, some very good private schools that have <v Clyde Muse>developed. <v Clyde Muse>The rest of this population are students that were <v Clyde Muse>in parochial schools, religious schools, and the federal government provides
<v Clyde Muse>Indian schools still in our state. <v Clyde Muse>And that's where your other the percentage of this enrollment comes. <v Betty Yalkovich>I was going to ask Dr. Peoples what sort of jobs his graduates look for <v Betty Yalkovich>and if they were able to get jobs in management, say. <v John Peoples>Jackson State College is a, I would say, <v John Peoples>moderately comprehensive institution. <v John Peoples>So we do kind of run the gamut and say the various kinds <v John Peoples>of training that they can get. <v John Peoples>I was particularly intrigued with the discussion about <v John Peoples>a vocational technical training, because I think <v John Peoples>many of us, most of us are aware that that until recent years, <v John Peoples>the historically black institutions had little or no <v John Peoples>technology in their curriculums. <v John Peoples>And as a result, I do not think you will find blacks
<v John Peoples>well represented in the technological jobs in the new industries. <v John Peoples>Now, we are making up for this because in the last few years, I believe the junior <v John Peoples>colleges, as well as the senior colleges and in particular Jackson <v John Peoples>State, we have geared up to meet this need. <v John Peoples>But I do think that industry's coming to Mississippi should make a special effort <v John Peoples>to train blacks and to entice blacks to go into such training, <v John Peoples>because we do not have many models of blacks in such jobs to encourage <v John Peoples>youngsters to take this kind of training. <v John Peoples>They don't see examples of black engineers, black technologists <v John Peoples>whom they would want to emulate. <v John Peoples>So we have to make it very clear in the first place that they are <v John Peoples>wanted and needed in these jobs. <v John Peoples>We have to overcome the craft unions, opposition to admitting <v John Peoples>blacks to these high level positions. <v John Peoples>And this is a problem. You may train people to work, but they must also
<v John Peoples>be able to get into the craft unions in order to work. <v John Peoples>That's being that many people don't know. <v John Peoples>But we have a program, the Jackson State, which do train people <v John Peoples>to go into the managerial as well as take technological <v John Peoples>jobs. And we do have people at both levels in the industry coming to <v John Peoples>Mississippi. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Andre Neff <v Andre Neff>Mr. Case there were a lot of discussion talk since last few years about <v Andre Neff>so-called Southern strategy of the Nixon administration, which consisted <v Andre Neff>if I'm right to regroup, a Republican Party <v Andre Neff>and the most conservative elements of the Democratic Party. <v Andre Neff>I wanted to ask you, how successful is this strategy in Mississippi? <v Bert Case>Well, President Nixon got a higher percentage of vote in Mississippi <v Bert Case>than any other state in the nation. I'd say he was very successful. <v Bert Case>What else would you like to know about it? <v Andre Neff>What about th- the future? What about the local election?
<v Andre Neff>And since uh, <v Bert Case>the Republican Party is is very conservative in Mississippi and it has been making great <v Bert Case>strides. For example, we have five congressman for Mississippi for <v Bert Case>the first time since reconstruction. We have two Republican congressmen elected in <v Bert Case>this past election. <v Bert Case>We have some some city officials have been elected here and here in Jackson. <v Bert Case>We have a twenty six year old single Republican city commissioner. <v Bert Case>There's certainly no two party system in this state at the present time. <v Bert Case>I would want to mis- mislead you at all on that. <v Bert Case>But they are making strides the Republican Party is gaining strength. <v Bert Case>It's well financed. It's well organized. <v Bert Case>The Democratic Party in this state has virtually no organization. <v Bert Case>There's no young candidate who's a Democrat who's trying to run for office. <v Bert Case>He gets no support from the local Democratic Party organization. <v Bert Case>But a young man who wants to run as a Republican can be assured that his campaign <v Bert Case>will be well financed and he will have an organized staff to help him any way he wants. <v Andre Neff>But is there a definite ?inaudible?
<v Andre Neff>to attract a conservative Democrat on the Republican side? <v Bert Case>I think that's changing. I think that was their original strategy to try and try to get <v Bert Case>the Democrats to switch over. But this this young Republican city commissioner <v Bert Case>I mentioned, he made a speech recently saying this is not the direction we must go. <v Bert Case>We must be our own people. We must establish our own image. <v Bert Case>If they want to join us, fine. But we should not make any overt attempt to try to <v Bert Case>attract them. Let's build our own organization. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Malouf <v Rafique Malouf>I would like to ask Mr. Case a question. <v Rafique Malouf>As a journalist, if you want to criticize the state government <v Rafique Malouf>in what field do you critcize it? <v Bert Case>Well, currently, the biggest criticism is of county government <v Bert Case>there are 82 counties in the state and each of those 82 counties. <v Bert Case>Well, with the exception of one, are divided into five supervisors <v Bert Case>districts. <v Bert Case>The big controversy in this state that you will see headlines on day after day, story
<v Bert Case>after story and every television newscast is about the inefficiency of the system. <v Bert Case>Of having five beats within each county and having five <v Bert Case>separate road maintenance crews. <v Bert Case>This is a very inefficient form of government. <v Bert Case>In this one county I mentioned, Coahoma County, Mississippi Delta unit ties. <v Bert Case>It has a unit system. It functions as one unit. <v Bert Case>This is the biggest criticism of inefficiency of county government at the present time. <v Hans Kristofferson>I liked to get back to something that up Dr. People's talked about earlier, <v Hans Kristofferson>that some black educators feel that the integration of the <v Hans Kristofferson>school system have some still have some flaws. <v Hans Kristofferson>You mentioned that black principal has been demoted and black teachers lost their jobs. <v Hans Kristofferson>What about the level of education? <v Hans Kristofferson>You feel it has hurt the level of education in formerly all black colleges <v Hans Kristofferson>and schools? <v John Peoples>Well, I didn't mean to to speak against integration as <v John Peoples>such. I do believe that that education should be
<v John Peoples>integrated. But I am saying that means I'm saying the end <v John Peoples>does not justify the means, as in the sense that that we should <v John Peoples>not have a ?inaudible? in which we dismiss like principals and <v John Peoples>dismiss teachers just to get integration. <v John Peoples>I believe that the black teachers who have over the years developed the expertize <v John Peoples>and understanding of working with black students should be recognized <v John Peoples>for this particular fact and should be used effectively in the antiquated system. <v John Peoples>And I said that many black educators <v John Peoples>have some misgivings about what will be the ultimate end <v John Peoples>of integration if these things are not taken into consideration. <v John Peoples>That's what I was trying to put up. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Jacob Ma [Interrupted by Muse] <v Clyde Muse>I heard a lot of discussion about <v Jack Schweitzer>Oh, one more comment first. <v Clyde Muse>Yes, I've heard a lot of discussion about the demotion and dismissal of black <v Clyde Muse>principals and teachers. I've never seen any figures Dr. Peoples that indicates
<v Clyde Muse>this mass amount taken place. <v Clyde Muse>I know it hasn't in the Meridian school system. <v Clyde Muse>I think the emphasis we've got to place personally is on the quality of the individual <v Clyde Muse>as you mentioned, the individual being able to work with people, <v Clyde Muse>all people, the leadership, the qualities and all the other <v Clyde Muse>aspects of it. And I think that I believe honestly, we <v Clyde Muse>over we over the hill in this regard, in some of this might have taken place back <v Clyde Muse>earlier. But I think now the emphasis is on the quality of the individual <v Clyde Muse>and the performance of the individual in the job. <v Clyde Muse>[People talking over each other] <v John Peoples>I would agree- [Interupted by Muse] <v Clyde Muse>I get what it's got to be. <v John Peoples>I would agree with you on that. The only concern is that that these individuals had <v John Peoples>quality all the while until integration came, then all at once, they lost quality <v John Peoples>and they were there. They were dismissed. <v Rafique Malouf>I would like to ask you about other minority, quite forgotten <v Rafique Malouf>Latin America and quite forgotten states is the Indian community.
<v Rafique Malouf>Can you refer to that situation of Indian population here? <v John Peoples>I would like to say that Jackson State has made overtures to the Indian community, <v John Peoples>but in particular the Choctaw Nation, in regards to <v John Peoples>making scholarships available for them to come to Jackson State. <v John Peoples>They did express some concern that they did not have any other than <v John Peoples>white teachers in their schools. <v John Peoples>And we have offered our scholarship positions. <v John Peoples>As a matter of fact, we had, I believe, a couple of Indians come to Jackson State this <v John Peoples>summer. Now, we have not been overly successful because <v John Peoples>they have been going, I believe, to some of the other historically white <v John Peoples>institutions when they did go out of the state to believe an Indian oriented school <v John Peoples>someplace out west. But we have made overtures and we do believe that that <v John Peoples>there is a great potential for these Indians to come to Jackson State <v John Peoples>and to realize that their destiny along with us.
<v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Pazzolini Zeneli <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>[Audio problems] Question for the mayor [Men talking over each other inaudibly] You <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>said ?unsuccessfully? <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>it was a success, but <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>did you get all the so-called black vote or <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>black votes on this? And there was black voters who prefer <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>another candidate? <v Charles Evers>See, you asked the same question in most whites ask. <v Charles Evers>And that is just because you're black, Charles, you're supposed to get all the black <v Charles Evers>folks, well black folks are different from white folks, black folks vote for who they <v Charles Evers>like, vote against who they don't like. Now, a lot of black folks don't like me in <v Charles Evers>?inuadible? So I didn't get all the black votes no more than the governor got all the <v Charles Evers>whites vote. I got a few white votes too. <v Alberto Pazzolini Zeneli>I understand [interrupted by Evers] <v Charles Evers>So we sort of mix it up when he got more. <v Charles Evers>[Laughter] But, I think it goes down that that people <v Charles Evers>vote for who they like and they vote against what they don't like, whether you, black and <v Charles Evers>white. So to answer your question, no I didn't get all the black votes. <v Shozo Takera>Let me, ask you, Mr. Pittman, what is uh?
<v Shozo Takera>What is your a basic stragety for the economic development <v Shozo Takera>of Mississippi? <v Bob Pittman>We have some long range objectives that we are trying to attain in order <v Bob Pittman>to produce an economy which would provide a better <v Bob Pittman>standard of living for all Mississippians, regardless of race, origin, et cetera. <v Bob Pittman>Several things that we're doing to try to to reach these goals. <v Bob Pittman>One, of course, is this area of education, which we've talked about for several minutes <v Bob Pittman>now, simply an effort to educate all Mississippians to the level necessary <v Bob Pittman>to to be technically skilled and trained for whatever job possibilities may <v Bob Pittman>develop in other areas which we've done a tremendous amount of work is this area of <v Bob Pittman>community development that is getting the local community ready for industrial <v Bob Pittman>development. We are finding over a period of some years now that <v Bob Pittman>communities at one time simply did not have the facilities necessary to attract <v Bob Pittman>industry through several specific community <v Bob Pittman>development programs. We have attempted to provide an incentive
<v Bob Pittman>which would challenge communities to improve themselves: industrial parks <v Bob Pittman>that we mentioned, zoning, education, health, <v Bob Pittman>sanitation facilities, hospital facilities, these things so that you are prepared to <v Bob Pittman>attract industry and you can, in fact, attract industry. <v Bob Pittman>Same time there is a holdover from the agricultural style of living <v Bob Pittman>in Mississippi that we think is a major attraction to industry and that is an <v Bob Pittman>individual's willingness to work. <v Bob Pittman>This is a perhaps a general statement, but the manufacturers who have moved into <v Bob Pittman>Mississippi have told us that they are finding here that <v Bob Pittman>Mississippians are willing to be trained if they are willing to work and take a great <v Bob Pittman>deal of pride in their accomplishments. We think this is a positive factor and we tried <v Bob Pittman>to export that factor. One thing I think needs to be said <v Bob Pittman>that is that perhaps we have painted a something of a <v Bob Pittman>bleak picture here. I would disagree with that picture.
<v Bob Pittman>I think that Mississippi has made significant economic and social progress. <v Bob Pittman>I think that we certainly would recognize that there have been some tragic errors in our <v Bob Pittman>past, but we are trying to start from from this point and move forward. <v Bob Pittman>Our business organization, for example, has just produced a bulletin <v Bob Pittman>based primarily on a request from some state of the Jackson State College Dr. People's <v Bob Pittman>college last year when we met with them, they said when we finish our work, we really <v Bob Pittman>don't know how to get into business if we want to start a business on our own. <v Bob Pittman>Our organization has now produced for example, a pamphlet. <v Bob Pittman>This is the way you start your own business made available for the schools and so on. <v Bob Pittman>Mississippi has outstripped the rest of the nation since World War Two and percentages of <v Bob Pittman>economic growth. We have had a sizable increase in per capita <v Bob Pittman>income on employment is lower than the national average personal income growth <v Bob Pittman>in 1972 was up over the national average. <v Bob Pittman>I think these are positive factors and I think they need to be pointed out. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Ma.
<v Jacob Ma>Yes, Mr. Pittman. <v Jacob Ma>During my traveling here in the South, I have a strong impression that <v Jacob Ma>the present higher soaring process of the agriculture products <v Jacob Ma>are good for the farmers here, but may not be good for the textile <v Jacob Ma>industry because the higher raw material costs will increase the <v Jacob Ma>manufacturing cost. And what's your opinion about the present level of <v Jacob Ma>the price of agricultural products? <v Bob Pittman>I guess my opinion is colored by the fact that we're trying to improve Mississippi. <v Bob Pittman>You're aware that in the Delta area in the winter we had some tremendous <v Bob Pittman>flood problems. <v Bob Pittman>Our ag- our cotton crop is oh, probably 70 percent of what it should be. <v Bob Pittman>The price increase has given our farmers a tremendous boost. <v Bob Pittman>And from the standpoint of Mississippi, this has been an asset for <v Bob Pittman>us. <v Jack Schweitzer>We have a question from Hans Kristoffersson. <v Hans Kristofferson>Well, I'd like to ask Mr. Case a
<v Hans Kristofferson>rather rhetorical question, but it's mentioned <v Hans Kristofferson>here that the state of Mississippi has done has progressed <v Hans Kristofferson>greatly about social and economic. <v Hans Kristofferson>Do you see any parallel in this? <v Hans Kristofferson>Do you think one would be possible without the other? <v Hans Kristofferson>Or is one the result of the other? <v Bert Case>Definitely. I do not feel one can be possible without the other. <v Bert Case>They must come together. <v Bert Case>The problem in this state economically, in my judgment, is that we have kept the <v Bert Case>blacks down for all these years with the economic development has <v Bert Case>come in the white area, the blacks have been excluded. <v Bert Case>Now, for the first time, we're we're looking at it as one unit. <v Bert Case>We're looking at it as blacks and whites together must strive to improve their economic <v Bert Case>status. And that's only come the last, the last 10 years. <v Bert Case>But you've had a general recognition, I think, by everybody. <v Bert Case>A general recognition of the fact that we cannot do it alone <v Bert Case>as separate communities. This state must be developed as one.
<v Bert Case>And we had a man run for governor on that platform in 1967. <v Bert Case>He got clobbered. <v Bert Case>His name was Rubell Phillips. And that was his whole platform in 1967. <v Bert Case>A lot of people have said since that if we had listened to what he was saying, not <v Bert Case>necessarily have elected him, but had listened to his program, we'd be a lot <v Bert Case>further along at this point. <v Bert Case>I think that's the basic change that's occurred in Mississippi. <v Bert Case>For whatever reason, probably because of the federal courts, but it <v Bert Case>has occurred. There is a general recognition, I think, by everybody that we must <v Bert Case>progress together. <v Jack Schweitzer>We have a question from Rafique Malouf <v Rafique Malouf>It's for the mayor. I would like to know what was or what is the pilot <v Rafique Malouf>project you did to improve Fayette <v Rafique Malouf>during your period as a mayor <v Charles Evers>When I became mayor of Fayette, we had s- I was told the fourth poorest, <v Charles Evers>I guess, in the country. Now we have it was 65 percent,
<v Charles Evers>the reports I got from somewhere I don't know where I got them from doc, were on on <v Charles Evers>welfare or unemployed. Now we're down to 29 percent. <v Charles Evers>That was one plant, one plant, part time plant. <v Charles Evers>Now we have two and we have that employ <v Charles Evers>up to 160 women who own the welfare and get 35 dollars a month. <v Charles Evers>We had most of the blacks community was uh was run down. <v Charles Evers>Just so happened that the ?white? community had been kept up. <v Charles Evers>We now think we have streets in most of the black community, we have sewers in all of the <v Charles Evers>commun- we hope now. We have a multipurpose center building that <v Charles Evers>we're building there 400,000 dollar multipurpose center building, which will house a <v Charles Evers>daycare center. We have a 5 million dollar health clinic where before we <v Charles Evers>became mayor, there was a children county clinic we had all over Mississippi, but they <v Charles Evers>didn't deal in comprehensive health. And we have conference health clinic cleaning there <v Charles Evers>with 4 good doctors. <v Charles Evers>And just so happened that because of a strict system in America that we
<v Charles Evers>have been able to get couple our doctors passed this test because they're foreign <v Charles Evers>doctors. But other than that, we are in pretty good shape health-wise. <v Charles Evers>So we think, this is what we doing and we think that of all the towns in Mississippi, <v Charles Evers>Fayette is one of the best towns here, the safest anyway. <v Charles Evers>We gotta strict law and order. <v Jack Schweitzer>A question from Hans Christofferson <v Hans Kristofferson>I, uh, yesterday, we were told about plans for a big super port off the <v Hans Kristofferson>Gulf Coast, preferably from your point of view on <v Hans Kristofferson>the borderline between Mississippi and Alabama and being in a region that's of great <v Hans Kristofferson>interest to me because we have large tankers coming out, you know, I wonder, <v Hans Kristofferson>does the do you think that the private industry and the money <v Hans Kristofferson>people of Mississippi are willing to chip in to build a thing like that? <v Bob Pittman>Yes, I think the business community in Mississippi is interested in this, is aware of the <v Bob Pittman>the possibilities. And certainly aware of the advantages. <v Bob Pittman>When you say would they be willing to chip in? <v Bob Pittman>Of course they would be some point at which they would could not go, but
<v Bob Pittman>the business community, through our organization and through other organizations, is <v Bob Pittman>supporting this effort. I know that some testimony has been given <v Bob Pittman>in Washington already on this through governor's office, we have given the governor <v Bob Pittman>a list from our membership of the business man who would have a specific interest <v Bob Pittman>in the project. And so we have coordinated our efforts through the governor's office <v Bob Pittman>recognizing that it is a primary uh governmental project. <v Jack Schweitzer>Question from Mr. Neff <v Andre Neff>Yes, I wanted to know why th- the rate of unionization is so low in <v Andre Neff>Mississippi? And if you weren't having some sharp increase <v Andre Neff>in cost when the uh workers will be starting to be <v Andre Neff>organized? <v Bob Pittman>Alright, I would say that the rate is low, primarily because Mississippi <v Bob Pittman>historically is an agricultural state. <v Bob Pittman>There's been very little organizational effort in Mississippi and in the past, <v Bob Pittman>the the effort is increasing
<v Bob Pittman>still in a number of manufacturing plants in Mississippi, the employees <v Bob Pittman>on their own have made a decision that they prefer to not have union representation. <v Bob Pittman>The position of our organization is simply that the individual employees should have the <v Bob Pittman>right to choose. <v Bob Pittman>We certainly have not gone into any manufacturing plants and opposed <v Bob Pittman>that unionization. <v Bob Pittman>We do support in our organization was instrumental in inserting into our state <v Bob Pittman>constitution this right to work law, which provides that the individual <v Bob Pittman>does have the right to select for himself make the choice whether or not he prefers to <v Bob Pittman>join a union. But primarily I think it's because of the agricultural background <v Bob Pittman>and the fact that the Mississippi employee, in our opinion, by and <v Bob Pittman>large, has not preferred unionization. <v Jack Schweitzer>Mr. Piernes. <v Guillermo Piernes>Yes, Mr. Case. Um, I saw here in Mississippi, a <v Guillermo Piernes>great entity to get foreign investment.
<v Guillermo Piernes>But don't you see a strong competition of the poorest country of Latin <v Guillermo Piernes>America in that field? Because, for example, here, the big corporations <v Guillermo Piernes>will have to pay about 250 per hour million. <v Guillermo Piernes>While, for example, in Brazil, the same corporation will pay 20 cents per hour. <v Guillermo Piernes>And also, for example, in Brazil, there is no right to strike. <v Guillermo Piernes>So don't you see how competition with Latin American country? <v Guillermo Piernes>How do you see the arms of Mississippi to fight for <v Guillermo Piernes>that foreign investment? <v Bert Case>How do I see? <v Guillermo Piernes>The ways the method of Mississippi to fight <v Guillermo Piernes>to attract that investment? <v Bert Case>That's a strong argument you make. <v Bert Case>I'm not an expert in this field. You probably should ask that question of Mr. Pittman. <v John Peoples>I'd like to comment on that. I think one thing, Mississippi has going for it. <v John Peoples>It has a stable government and there is less chance of an interest <v John Peoples>being nationalized. [Interrupted by laughter] And it might happen.
<v Guillermo Piernes>I pointed to the case in Brazil because 10 years with the same government and without <v Guillermo Piernes>election that is more stable. <v Guillermo Piernes>But unfortunately <v John Peoples>You said Latin America? <v Guillermo Piernes>Yes. <v John Peoples>When you said Latin America I thought you meant the whole cadre of Latin America. <v John Peoples>Well, I what I'm saying in Latin America, that there is a pretty strong chance <v John Peoples>of an industry from America being nationalized over the long run. <v John Peoples>You see. In Mississippi, I don't think you'd get that. <v Guillermo Piernes>Well, the percentage it is an extremely low of nationalization <v Guillermo Piernes>and la- and that the most publicized cases ?guaranteed an icon in? <v Guillermo Piernes>Chile. In Latin America there are already a thousand [interrupted by Schweitzer] <v Jack Schweitzer>Would anybody like to comment really on possibly the advantages of locating Mississippi? <v Guillermo Piernes>That's what, I want that that <v Jack Schweitzer>The advantages of locating in Mississippi <v Guillermo Piernes>You gave me a good argument in saying ?stabilization? <v Guillermo Piernes>[Interupted by others] And I accepted it <v Charles Evers>[Men talking over each other, inaudibly] I say like to talk about us, no question. <v Charles Evers>But I think first made Mississippi we have the climate. <v Charles Evers>The climate is wealthiest is right.
<v Charles Evers>That's number one. Number two, w- w- we're located to we're located between <v Charles Evers>two great bodies in the Mississippi and the Gulf. <v Charles Evers>What we need is shipping. And we just near enough to do <v Charles Evers>uh to these areas to to get rapid deliveries. <v Charles Evers>Number three, you've got great potential. <v Charles Evers>You have plenty of land and you have flat land. <v Charles Evers>You have whatever you need to have a variety of land. <v Charles Evers>Our terrain it varies. <v Charles Evers>If you needed somewhere, that you need to go up in the hills. <v Charles Evers>We have that. If you need a flat surface, we have the delta. <v Charles Evers>If we needed a rough surface, we still have that and, but I think the most important <v Charles Evers>thing. You have the people here who needs to work and want to work. <v Charles Evers>I think that that's the best, most. And then I think our government in particular, the <v Charles Evers>one in Fayette, we have said we have facility, we have 250 acres <v Charles Evers>of industrial park and we will literally give you the land <v Charles Evers>to bring industry in there. And then we have what is known.
Mississippi Press Conference
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Mississippi Educational Television
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Essentially, this was described as a 'first' for Mississippi and for Educational Television. Journalists from the Foreign Press Corps were in Mississippi to view and hear first-hand about the state, its people and their attitudes. Since many of [them had] opinions based upon news information of years ago--when Mississippi was involved in headlines because of civil rights problems--the panel discussion on 'Mississippi Press Conference' provided the opportunity to update their knowledge of the state in light of the new South. "The program [construction] consisted of six Mississippi personalities representing the news media, education, the minorities, state government and the economic council, who were questioned by a panel of 10 foreign journalists. A moderator introduced the participants and guided the discussion, providing a summary at the conclusion of the hour."--1973 Peabody Awards entry form. The program consists of ten international journalists asking six Mississippi citizens questions about life and history in Mississippi. The program is part of the United States Information Agency. The journalists ask questions on a variety of topics, including race relations, resources, politics, integration, education, and economic and environmental issues. The Mississippians ask the journalists about their preconceived notions about the state, and they discuss the progress the state has made and progress the state still needs to make.
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Moderator: Schweitz, Jack
Panelist: Ma, Jacob K.J.
Panelist: Blanc, Marie
Panelist: Zeneli, Alberto Pazzolini
Panelist: Matsumoto, Yutaka
Panelist: Kristofferson, Hans
Panelist: Evers, Charles
Panelist: Yalkovich, Betty
Panelist: News, Clyde
Panelist: Takera, Shozo
Panelist: Neff, Andre
Panelist: Rundles, Jim
Panelist: Case, Bert
Panelist: Piernes, Guillermo
Panelist: Malouf, Rafique
Panelist: Peoples, John
Panelist: Pittman, Bob
Producing Organization: Mississippi Educational Television
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The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia
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Duration: 0:58:42
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