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<v Roberto Mondragón>The Spanish, when they moved from San Gabriel, from someone <v Roberto Mondragón>in Los Gatos and they moved the capital to Santa Faire in about 1609, <v Roberto Mondragón>must have felt something and they must have known something. <v Roberto Mondragón>You know, maybe it was the water. <v Roberto Mondragón>Maybe it was the proximity to the mountains. <v Roberto Mondragón>Maybe it was the elevation. Something called them here. <v Roberto Mondragón>Something that still calls people to Santa Fe because they do feel this <v Roberto Mondragón>is, in fact, the healing place. <v Katie Peters>I think Santa Fe has a natural beauty sitting at the foot of these mountains. <v Katie Peters>It's just phenomenal. It. <v Katie Peters>It comes with being, again, in a transition stage.
<v Katie Peters>We are right here between the mountains and the desert. <v Katie Peters>And so there's always some some change happening <v Katie Peters>that involves color, light, <v Katie Peters>intensity of air changes, you know, wonderful feeling smells. <v Katie Peters>It's a beautiful place physically to be. <v Katie Peters>But I think the thing that really makes brings people here to stay <v Katie Peters>is the possibility of a lifestyle, <v Katie Peters>the possibility of really slowing down, really <v Katie Peters>appreciating the interest part of yourself, having <v Katie Peters>the time for that, being encouraged to do it by the gentleness <v Katie Peters>of the Spanish culture. <v Katie Peters>I think that's what people really look for when they come here. <v Katie Peters>Some people are successful. Some people radically alter their lives when they come here.
<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I think what originally drew people here, and this <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>is just my speculation, is that there seems to be an element <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>of the divide in the geography. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>There seems to be altogether a feeling of the spirit <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>working in this place, and that's quite apart even from the human experience <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>here. I know people who have just, you know, come here for the first time <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>and experience that and told me about that. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I think the Spaniards who came here oftentimes <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>regarded it as the Holy Land and they regarded <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>it as such, calling it like something sometimes. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Just the landscape itself, you know, lends itself to that kind <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>of contemplation of the divine and contemplation of the eternal qualities.
<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>So, yes, I think there's something about Santa Fe in terms of. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Just the placement at the foot of the mountains, just the clearness of <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>the air, the quality of life that tells people that <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>this has been touched in some way by the finger of God. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>And it is no mistake that different peoples, even of different religions, <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>regard it as a holy place. <v Debbie Jaramillo>It's kind of difficult to explain because some people I've heard say <v Debbie Jaramillo>there's a sense of holiness about it. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And I think when you grow up here, you kind of <v Debbie Jaramillo>take a lot for granted. But you still know, it's there's just something special about the <v Debbie Jaramillo>place.
<v Debbie Jaramillo>It's a kind of a caring atmosphere here. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And, you know, whether we're caring about the land or we're caring about <v Debbie Jaramillo>our brother or sister, neighbor or whatever it is, <v Debbie Jaramillo>I just knew from early on. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And I still feel it today that whatever it is out there <v Debbie Jaramillo>that we experience it sometimes just <v Debbie Jaramillo>can best be described as magical. <v Debbie Jaramillo>Because magic is something you can really paint a picture of <v Debbie Jaramillo>or you can't de scribe in full detail. <v Debbie Jaramillo>But it's something more you feel. And sometimes hard to <v Debbie Jaramillo>see what one feels.
<v Katie Peters>?Zozobra?, of course, is old man gloom who has to get burned <v Katie Peters>in order for Fiesta's to start. If you can't don't burn old man Gloom, then everybody's <v Katie Peters>going to be gloomy. You can't have a fiesta. <v Katie Peters>So it's very important that Zozobra was burned <v Katie Peters>and lots of yelling and screaming took place and we all watched him go down. <v Katie Peters>That's what we were told. But as little children, it was so sad to <v Katie Peters>see Zozobra get burned. <v Katie Peters>Here he was you know beautiful, tall, white, flowing <v Katie Peters>puppet doll. Maybe he had a big, scary face, a big green nose, big <v Katie Peters>orange eyes and purple ears but we liked him. <v Katie Peters>And for him, too, we waited all year for him and for him to <v Katie Peters>have to go all up in flames in one night. <v Katie Peters>It was sad. And we would we would wonder why the grown ups were always so happy when the <v Katie Peters>all these little kids, you know got sad.
<v Katie Peters>[Religious music playing] <v Celina Rael de García>About a year ago or over a year ago, there was a young man that was shot and <v Celina Rael de García>killed by police. And this town was on the brink of exploding. <v Celina Rael de García>People were ready to become violent. <v Celina Rael de García>But it was it was a manifestation and an end of an <v Celina Rael de García>accumulated rage over the loss of community, <v Celina Rael de García>the loss of power for traditional people in this community. <v Tom Chávez>You have over the centuries, the story of these two Europeans were European cultures <v Tom Chávez>who were natural rivals in Europe. <v Tom Chávez>England the leader of the Protestant Reformation and Spain, <v Tom Chávez>the leader of the Catholic Counter Reformation. <v Tom Chávez>They disliked each other. They do to this day.
<v Tom Chávez>[Drumming noises] And so you have these people coming, the Hispanics from Spain, Iberia <v Tom Chávez>coming in for our purposes, Mexico, central Mexico and expanding from the south to the <v Tom Chávez>north. We know about the English, the northern Europeans, the Protestants coming to the <v Tom Chávez>East Coast from the seeds of a few religious separatist settlements <v Tom Chávez>and religion and merchant adventurers in the central colonies expanding into the <v Tom Chávez>cottoning. Of course, of two and a half century, becoming a transcontinental world power. <v Tom Chávez>And aren't we great? [Religious music playing] And <v Tom Chávez>what did they meet? They met Europeans again, descendants of Europeans who had gone
<v Tom Chávez>through the same experience. They had come to a new world, met new people, learned about <v Tom Chávez>new foods, new languages, new animals, and became something different than they left <v Tom Chávez>in Europe. They became American. <v Tom Chávez>And they expanded from the south to the north. <v Tom Chávez>Now, I'm not very brilliant. I'm simple minded, which is good for a New Mexican. <v Tom Chávez>But if these people were expanding east to west, south to north, you know, <v Tom Chávez>like that, they had to meet again if they're on the same continent. <v Tom Chávez>And where was the hub of the meeting? New Mexico. <v Tom Chávez>[Eagle cries and drumming noises]The <v Tom Chávez>meaning of Manifest Destiny. <v Tom Chávez>Of ?Gnosticism? ?Gnosticism? <v Tom Chávez>that the thing that is the marriage of what is European and Indian. <v Tom Chávez>Because in the Hispanic world and especially in Mexico, that's what happened. <v Tom Chávez>[Religious music playing]
<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I think Santa Fe has always had a wonderful history of being terribly inclusive. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Whether it was the Spaniards or other foreigners that came here, <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Native Americans, artists. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Later, pioneers, the American conquerors, whatever it was, <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>you know, all of them found a place here. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>As long as they were willing to understand Santa Fe's story and uniqueness. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>The problem has occurred that many times outsiders, much like the Spaniards that came in <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>the first place, sought to fix what was unique about New Mexico <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>to try and build an image of what they had left behind. <v Celina Rael de García>There was 5 points liquor store and where the Hilton now is was a whole neighborhood, <v Celina Rael de García>just lots of people that live there. <v Celina Rael de García>What happened to the people that live there in the traditional neighborhoods
<v Celina Rael de García>is they got put into what we what we then again, not so teasingly <v Celina Rael de García>called Chicano concentration camps so that they were uprooted from, <v Celina Rael de García>you know, were they some of them were elderly and had been born there and their <v Celina Rael de García>parents lived there in this district and were put into the projects <v Celina Rael de García>and literally they died. <v Celina Rael de García>If not, you know, they didn't you know, they moved away. <v Celina Rael de García>They didn't live much longer because it was just so different. <v Celina Rael de García>It was such an uprooting. They didn't have a voice. <v Celina Rael de García>They had no choice. <v Celina Rael de García>Back then, there was a small group of us that did protest, but <v Celina Rael de García>the pressure from the very conservative Hispanic community in Santa Fe <v Celina Rael de García>was, oh, that's really terrible. <v Celina Rael de García>Kivett, Windsor, which is like it's more than than than a shame. <v Celina Rael de García>It's like you're embarrassing all of us by doing that. <v Celina Rael de García>You just don't do that.
<v Celina Rael de García>They didn't understand that they were losing control of <v Celina Rael de García>a very real part of who they were or what this community was. <v Celina Rael de García>And, you know, to me, that stands out as a really significant <v Celina Rael de García>event in changing Santa Fe from <v Celina Rael de García>the feeling that it had as a traditional community to <v Celina Rael de García>the change that we see today. <v Tom Chávez>One thing about people who have been here is that there is no 1 or <v Tom Chávez>2 or 3 cultures. No, the old myth about the three cultures of New Mexico.
<v Tom Chávez>That's just not true. My favorite stories is a third grade teacher who asked their <v Tom Chávez>students, you know the three cultures in New Mexico? And a little girl on the back row <v Tom Chávez>raises her hand, says, yes, what is it? And she said, the little girl answered men, women <v Tom Chávez>and children. And that's it. <v Tom Chávez>With all the variances in there, good, bad, ugly, beautiful in all of this. <v Tom Chávez>And within those cultures that we like to talk <v Tom Chávez>about, the Native American, the Hispanic, the Anglo American flag lack different <v Tom Chávez>or all these different cultures. There's no such thing as an Indian culture, for example. <v Tom Chávez>There isn't. There are Indian cultures. <v Tom Chávez>I mean, how many people come here and think Pueblo Indians are one group of people? <v Tom Chávez>They're not you know, they're 5 different language groups. <v Tom Chávez>And then the Hispanic people, you know, I'm on my dad's side of the family, 13th <v Tom Chávez>generation, New Mexican. <v Tom Chávez>My ancestors who came here are different from the people who come from Mexico today. <v Tom Chávez>My ancestors didn't know mariachi music, which I love. <v Tom Chávez>They didn't know that that's an invention of this century.
<v Tom Chávez>It's a contribution to here from Mexico in recent generations. <v Tom Chávez>My grandparents didn't eat tamales and that's recently <v Tom Chávez>they didn't eat Tamales. That's something that's recent that has come here has been <v Tom Chávez>another contribution from Mexico. So people through generations have changed our culture. <v Tom Chávez>[Horns honking and mariachi music playing]
<v Roberto Mondragón>The Hispanic culture and the culture of the Native <v Roberto Mondragón>American cultures, as well as the culture of <v Roberto Mondragón>all peoples who are associated with the land and the water <v Roberto Mondragón>that have the roots in the land. <v Roberto Mondragón>Those values have to do with respect, <v Roberto Mondragón>with respect for each other, respect for the elderly, <v Roberto Mondragón>respect for yourself, but also respect for the water <v Roberto Mondragón>and for the land and for the Earth for all of our environment. <v Roberto Mondragón>And even those things have been given a monetary <v Roberto Mondragón>value in the tradition of old <v Roberto Mondragón>Santa Fe and the northern part of <v Roberto Mondragón>old Mexico, the water in the land went together. <v Roberto Mondragón>The ?sectors? were put in such a way that they carried the water and irrigated <v Roberto Mondragón>the land and could compare it to a human body where there
<v Roberto Mondragón>are ?sectors? The veins. <v Roberto Mondragón>The water is the blood that provides the <v Roberto Mondragón>nutrient for those other parts of the body to be <v Roberto Mondragón>able to flourish. <v Roberto Moya>I remember when my father used to get me out of bed early in the morning, <v Roberto Moya>probably at the break of dawn, and he would tell me Come on Roberto, levantate. <v Roberto Moya>We have to go every day in the hot tiempo. <v Roberto Moya>And the best time of the day is to irrigate early in the morning <v Roberto Moya>when the sun is not so hot or late in the afternoon after it's gone down, <v Roberto Moya>because during the day the water evaporates and you lose a lot of it. <v Roberto Moya>There's things I learned from him because he was a good teacher to me. <v Roberto Moya>He taught me how to defend our water rights. <v Roberto Moya>He would tell me Roberto, the ?inaudible?
<v Roberto Moya>de madre has more power than the president of the United States. <v Roberto Moya>And you fight for your rights. Don't let anybody take them away from you. <v Roberto Moya>Up to this day, I still remember all these things. <v Roberto Moya>It's unfortunate that we have lost a lot of water rights people that irrigated <v Roberto Moya>the link to the ?inaudible? de Madre. <v Roberto Moya>You saw families break up, sons, daughters left their <v Roberto Moya>families to marry. <v Roberto Moya>And the father or the owners of that property had nobody <v Roberto Moya>to take care of their lands. <v Roberto Moya>So naturally, they lost their water rights. <v Roberto Moya>I am fortunate that when my father passed his land on to <v Roberto Moya>me and he said, Roberto, I want you to be the next ?inaudible?, <v Roberto Moya>And I said, Father, I will follow in your footsteps and generations <v Roberto Moya>to come. My sons will follow in my footsteps too.
<v Roberto Moya>When you had a head cold. <v Roberto Moya>You would take a towel and wrap your feet and get you into bed <v Roberto Moya>so that the temperature from the head would go down to the feet <v Roberto Moya>and it would bring the temperature down. So you see the importance of water not only for <v Roberto Moya>drinking, cooking, but it's healing. <v Roberto Moya>We have holy water as Catholics. <v Roberto Moya>We still believe that putting your fingers and blessing you with holy water. <v Roberto Moya>It's just like being maybe my statement isn't correct, like being baptized again. <v Roberto Moya>We used water for baptism. <v Roberto Moya>We use water for everything. <v Roberto Moya>How can we live without it? <v Roberto Moya>That's why I say to me, water is liquid gold. <v Roberto Moya>You can have all the millions and millions of dollars in the bank, stocks, bonds, <v Roberto Moya>whatever you call it. But if you don't have water, you have nothing.
<v Roberto Mondragón>Now, with the new way of life, <v Roberto Mondragón>water has different values. <v Roberto Mondragón>Water can, can and is used for different purposes. <v Roberto Mondragón>And some of that water then is wrested away from the land <v Roberto Mondragón>causing that land, then in effect, to die <v Roberto Mondragón>and to never, ever be used again for the traditional <v Roberto Mondragón>purposes. Of sustaining people <v Roberto Mondragón>in a way of life. <v Tom Chávez>The thing is, all these people came to this place, which was in the middle of nowhere. <v Tom Chávez>Always there was no virgin territory, you know, in the Santa Fe <v Tom Chávez>Trail opened up. It wasn't the United States is opened that trail up. <v Tom Chávez>By the time those people came here, there wasn't there wasn't a gully, a tree, a hill and
<v Tom Chávez>the plains from the north to the south that wasn't named with a Hispanic name, including <v Tom Chávez>the Platte River, which was the real Jesus Maria. <v Tom Chávez>You know, they weren't going anywheres new. <v Tom Chávez>In fact, the first ones coming down were rescued out in the plains by, you know, also <v Tom Chávez>Spanish soldiers from New Mexico just out doing a normal patrol. <v Roberto Mondragón>The people coming from the Republic of Texas would <v Roberto Mondragón>see no fences and some would say. <v Roberto Mondragón>This is not this can become our land and put up a fence. <v Roberto Mondragón>And they most of the time did that, knowing that that, in fact was a land grant. <v Roberto Mondragón>When these fences began to go up, when the railroad began to come across, <v Roberto Mondragón>when the people that were there saw that they were losing their land, they joined <v Roberto Mondragón>together in efforts, sometimes hundreds of them around Los ?inaudible? <v Roberto Mondragón>Blanca's. And they went and cut down the fences, burned the haystacks says, trying
<v Roberto Mondragón>to stop the railroad from coming across. <v Roberto Mondragón>Justice was known <v Roberto Mondragón>only by name. <v Roberto Mondragón>Justice. <v Roberto Mondragón>A lot of time did not reach out to the people. <v Roberto Mondragón>People had to create the wrong <v Roberto Mondragón>justice. <v Roberto Mondragón>People stayed in Santa Fe in the Rio a Rio and the Rio Abajo in the part <v Roberto Mondragón>that had been Mexico but was now part of the United States with <v Roberto Mondragón>the understanding that some things were going to be protected, including their language,
<v Roberto Mondragón>including their culture, including the right to the land. <v Roberto Mondragón>That was part of the grants that had been given both by Spain and <v Roberto Mondragón>by Mexico. <v Roberto Mondragón>And they had high hopes and their <v Roberto Mondragón>hopes were shattered. [Man singing in traditional language] <v Ray Armenta>I don't see any my friends in the eastern side in the foothills of Santa Fe.
<v Ray Armenta>They're gone. They're being flushed out. <v Ray Armenta>It saddens me to ask old friends that I grew up with. <v Ray Armenta>Where do you live? <v Ray Armenta>And they honestly and truthfully just tell me, Ray, I live in a trailer and down there in <v Ray Armenta>south part of Santa Fe by the penitentiary, Lone Butte, these areas. <v Ray Armenta>And I say to I ask them, well, how did this come to be? <v Ray Armenta>And they said, well, they offered us a lump sum of cash, <v Ray Armenta>100,000 for our house and we let it go. <v Ray Armenta>People have sold to the outsider, the outsiders build these beautiful homes. <v Ray Armenta>So the cost of real estate goes up. <v Ray Armenta>What happens to the taxes? It's exorbitant. <v Ray Armenta>It's it's getting astronomical. <v Ray Armenta>[Man singing in traditional language] So basically, you're
<v Ray Armenta>between a rock and a hard place and you're going to have to sell because there's nothing <v Ray Armenta>else to do but continue to put out money because historically it's yours. <v Ray Armenta>[Man singing in traditional language] When you were being dictated <v Ray Armenta>to us to what you can, which you can't do with your land that has been in your family <v Ray Armenta>for centuries, it brings on anger. <v Ray Armenta>It brings on sadness. It was something that's been passed down generation to generation. <v Ray Armenta>These lands are such quaint lands, here, that all of a sudden <v Ray Armenta>we have this influx of outsiders coming in. <v Ray Armenta>And there's not a problem with the outsider per se. <v Ray Armenta>As long as they respect our rights, our holdings, <v Ray Armenta>our heritage. <v Ray Armenta>I mean, that's the bottom line runtime of heritage here. <v Ray Armenta>And this is the stuff that angers the locals.
<v Ray Armenta>And then I can foresee that there's problems. <v Ray Armenta>I mean, I can see that there's problems and I can foresee where there's more coming, <v Ray Armenta>because the more you try to deprive people of their rights, the more of an uprising <v Ray Armenta>you'll get I mean, that's cause of all revolutions. <v Ray Armenta>[Man singing in traditional langauge] All <v Ray Armenta>of a sudden I feel anymore when I come to Santa Fe, but I'm <v Ray Armenta>not really treated anymore like a local, like the native I am I
<v Ray Armenta>feel like the outsider coming in. <v Ray Armenta>[Man singing in tradtional language] <v Tom Chávez>Everybody, whether they be a farmer, a day laborer or even a governor, was expected
<v Tom Chávez>to bear arms to protect themselves. <v Tom Chávez>You know, you couldn't travel without fear of death at every turn. <v Tom Chávez>And that was a way of life. So, you know, we don't live those kind of conditions anymore. <v Tom Chávez>I guess the closest thing is what we thought the danger was during the Cold War or <v Tom Chávez>something. But when death is real and right there and you see it. <v Tom Chávez>You know, until television brought war to us in our living room, we really didn't <v Tom Chávez>understand that, you know, unless you'd been there. <v Tom Chávez>These people lived that, every one of them. <v Tom Chávez>And in that life and death is what it's all about. <v Tom Chávez>That's what they live. And it's it's you know, all you can do is come out and say, <v Tom Chávez>how why am I here if I'm descended for these people? <v Tom Chávez>How did they do that? <v Tom Chávez>How do they live that way? <v Tom Chávez>You know, it's really something. <v Roberto Moya>[Speaking Spanish] Families separate, they don't see each other like before. I remember when I was little on Sundays we'd visit our relatives. One Sunday, we would go to their <v Roberto Moya>house another Sunday they would come to ours and our parents could always spare a plate of food. When at home, people would do without to make relatives or guests feel as if this
<v Roberto Moya>was their own house. <v Celina Rael de García>Everyone spoke Spanish and everyone understood it. <v Celina Rael de García>It was the language of the community. <v Celina Rael de García>And as as young children, we would speak Spanish in the playground and English in class. <v Celina Rael de García>And that included Anglos, Native Americans, <v Celina Rael de García>African-Americans, whoever it was. <v Celina Rael de García>We all spoke Spanish. And you didn't speak Spanish. <v Celina Rael de García>Then you were Anglo. <v Celina Rael de García>OK. Even though you were Hispanic, it's kind of. <v Celina Rael de García>I know it's it's kind of a funny thing, but that's just the way, you know, Santa Fe is
<v Celina Rael de García>always been like. <v Tom Chávez>Everybody who came here in previous generations have been descendants <v Tom Chávez>here. No one was eliminated. <v Tom Chávez>There was no genocide. We're all still here. <v Tom Chávez>We're all still here. <v Tom Chávez>And we ?enjoin? Each other. <v Debbie Jaramillo>We've all heard the saying "mi casa es su casa". <v Debbie Jaramillo>And what that has always meant to me is the door was always <v Debbie Jaramillo>open. The people of this area for hundreds of years have been very <v Debbie Jaramillo>passive people who welcomed anyone into their home. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And I used to always say, well, you know, the door was open and we welcome <v Debbie Jaramillo>you to come into our home, but we didn't ask you to rearrange our furniture. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And that's what's happening today. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>It's overall been that same attitude on the part of some of these newcomers <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>that we're here to fix. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>We're here to make better according to our own image and likeness. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>And that's causing resentment on the part of some natives who say we don't need to be
<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>fixed. We're not a problem to be solved. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>You know, if you want a dialog with us, we're willing to dialog, but we're not willing <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>to be dictated to because of money or because of influence or because of power. <v Tom Chávez>And we still do in Santa Fe today share and fight <v Tom Chávez>and struggle in how to live in these two worlds because both worlds have something good <v Tom Chávez>to give. It's not a cultural thing. It's not the old world, the new world's the United <v Tom Chávez>States and the old world is Mexico, Hispanic, Indian. <v Celina Rael de García>I see it as a positive thing that the community is saying. <v Celina Rael de García>I'm angry because that takes away from kind of a dysfunction <v Celina Rael de García>that's been going on in Santa Fe, where people are saying everything's fine. <v Celina Rael de García>You know, everything's wonderful. Mi casa es su casa and <v Celina Rael de García>that that wasn't true. That wasn't true. <v Celina Rael de García>You just didn't say it publicly because it was embarrassing. <v Celina Rael de García>And more people who say more traditional people are coming out and saying it's not OK. <v Celina Rael de García>I am not less than I am part of this community and it belongs to me.
<v Celina Rael de García>And for a long time, people just hit out. <v Roberto Mondragón>I don't care how much money you offer me. <v Roberto Mondragón>And I might carry a conversation that, yes, I am willing to <v Roberto Mondragón>sell. But in my heart it tells me, <v Roberto Mondragón>don't sell, this is yours. <v Roberto Mondragón>I could probably sell and I'd have no problem doing it. <v Roberto Mondragón>[Speaking Spanish] Pero no, yo no vendo. <v Celina Rael de García>You can't stop the infringement <v Celina Rael de García>of exploitation, and by that I mean development, improper use <v Celina Rael de García>of water in improper use of children in the education system. <v Celina Rael de García>And we just need to wake up and say, OK, no, that's not OK. <v Celina Rael de García>We're not going to accept that. We're going to resist it. <v Roberto Mondragón>But then people did begin to get together and they saw changes <v Roberto Mondragón>coming to their mountains weren't being cut. <v Roberto Mondragón>And they said no. <v Roberto Mondragón>They saw massive stores and complexes
<v Roberto Mondragón>that were going to be going into areas like Bacca Street <v Roberto Mondragón>in ?inaudible?. And they spoke up and said no traffic was beginning <v Roberto Mondragón>to go down ?Afria? The big trucks and tankers and so forth. <v Roberto Mondragón>And people said no. <v Tom Chávez>And in Santa Fe, we have that conflict constantly. <v Tom Chávez>You know, developers come here, say, I want to build a 15 story building. <v Tom Chávez>You can't do that. <v Tom Chávez>I want to build a glass building. You can't do that. <v Tom Chávez>And we hear architects complain constantly. <v Tom Chávez>Well, you're limiting me. I'm an artiste. <v Tom Chávez>I should be allowed to do this. And the answer is, if you're a real artist, you will take <v Tom Chávez>the guidelines we have here and be really innovative. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>We have to be able to manage growth. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Be able to accommodate the well-intentioned newcomers. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>To be able to listen to their story, to make it now part of the wider <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>circle. That is Santa Fe. <v Debbie Jaramillo>I just think that if we start thinking as one big <v Debbie Jaramillo>group of people or one big family, it's what will be the salvation
<v Debbie Jaramillo>of Santa Fe and any other place across the country because <v Debbie Jaramillo>we are one. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And that may mean something different to different people. <v Debbie Jaramillo>But to me, it's not. We Hispanics are one, are we Native Americans are one <v Debbie Jaramillo>or are we men or one? And we women. <v Debbie Jaramillo>It's about we as people are all one. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And when we think about what we do and how it impacts <v Debbie Jaramillo>our neighbor and how we can be good neighbors <v Debbie Jaramillo>to one another, then we're going to protect what's left of this town. <v Roberto Moya>?inaudible? After I eat dinner during the summer months. <v Roberto Moya>I sit outside in the front in my little bench, just on the footsteps there.
<v Roberto Moya>Take out my radio. Turn on the music. <v Roberto Moya>And I enjoy people going by. <v Roberto Moya>Lot of people stop by to talk to me. I see a lot of relatives that will stop by and talk <v Roberto Moya>to me. And I've seen people, even relatives or friends <v Roberto Moya>who say, "Hey, Bobby, don't sell." You know? <v Roberto Moya>"Don't sell, hang on to it." ?inaudible? I will, I will. Primo's <v Roberto Moya>lived down the street here. Up the street, you know see, "Hey Bobby. <v Roberto Moya>No vendas. You know, hang onto it. <v Roberto Moya>I will." <v Debbie Jaramillo>I know speaking for my own kids and I know many others in this community, <v Debbie Jaramillo>they can fall through the cracks if they feel there's nothing here for them today. <v Debbie Jaramillo>There's very little for our youth to stay here and be a part of future <v Debbie Jaramillo>generations and carry on what's you know, my <v Debbie Jaramillo>generation and generations before me have left their mark on Santa Fe. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And if that continues, what this town could become is maybe some
<v Debbie Jaramillo>high end retirement community. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And, you know, our kids are meanwhile having to go elsewhere to to <v Debbie Jaramillo>go on with their lives. So if at the very least we tried to tie our school <v Debbie Jaramillo>curriculum to the area's history, <v Debbie Jaramillo>we can do a lot to save those kids who are very much <v Debbie Jaramillo>tied to their families, don't want to leave, need a place and want to make <v Debbie Jaramillo>their mark here in Santa Fe. <v Katie Peters>I would like to see as many people who believe in <v Katie Peters>industry and economics and arts and government structures <v Katie Peters>and bureaucracy also believe in education and the power of it. <v Katie Peters>If adults with multiple visions can get in contact <v Katie Peters>with these kids, then we really are going to develop an incredible population's <v Katie Peters>town. I, I think that putting fears and superstitions
<v Katie Peters>aside, there's so much good happening in Santa Fe <v Katie Peters>and we just have to make sure that everybody <v Katie Peters>is a part of it. <v Katie Peters>That people don't get left out. <v Katie Peters>There's somebody to talk to. <v Katie Peters>Everybody, everybody has a chance to have their say. <v Katie Peters>[Dramatic music playing] <v Roberto Moya>[Speaking Spanish] I place my poblem in your hands, do as you will as you think is best, I ask you Lord that you may help us. That you may provide us with water when you think it
<v Roberto Moya>necessary. And what I say, I say from my heart. <v Roberto Mondragón>Progress will happen. <v Roberto Mondragón>Progress is inevitable. <v Roberto Mondragón>But the progress that takes place and the development that takes place has to take <v Roberto Mondragón>place with the input of the people that are affected. <v Roberto Mondragón>Because everyone wants to have a say about the things that affect them <v Roberto Mondragón>and their children and their children's children. <v Celina Rael de García>We're getting more young people looking at learning their language <v Celina Rael de García>and actually asking their parents and grandparents to teach them <v Celina Rael de García>the language.
<v Celina Rael de García>And that's what we all need to do. <v Celina Rael de García>And it's not creating differences. <v Celina Rael de García>It's accepting them and building on them. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I'm concerned, you know, that Santa Fe become <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>just part of the melting pot. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>That is the fate and destiny of many American <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>cities. I'm afraid that Santa Fe may lose its differentness <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>when it calls itself the "City Different." And <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I would like that not to happen. I would like Santa Fe to be a continuing city
La Villa de Santa Fe
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KNME-TV (Television station : Albuquerque, N.M.)
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"Santa Fe, New Mexico is the oldest capital in the United States, an ancient crucible for the transformation of historical, cultural and social traditions. This is where the drama of six centuries of colonization and conflict continues to unfold. La Villa De Santa Fe, as the city was known by its Spanish-Mexican founders, moves into the 21st century with its rich and fragile fabric of communitary tradition, land, and water seriously endangered by new waves of immigration and development. This is a story of conflicting interests, where the pressures of change have brought forth important questions about cultural and community values and priorities. In this program, we listen to the stories of citizens whose family histories in the community span several centuries and multiple generations. The film is woven by narratives and images of ritual, hope, fear, rage, contradiction and vision. All of this beauty, tradition and truth could be too easily lost in the tumult of modernization, too readily silenced for being controversial. The voices, however, speak through time. The stories will endure. They are a legacy[']For the present, for our children, and for our children's children."--1995 Peabody Awards entry form. The documentary features interviews with important figures in Santa Fe politics and government including Mayor Debbie Jaramillo, Director of International Affairs Celina Rael de Garc'a, Director of the Palace of the Governors Tom Ch'vez, and Mayordomo de la Acequia Madre Roberto Moya. The documentary also features clips from members crucial to Santa Fe's history and culture, such as gallery owner Katie Peters, folklorist Roberto Mondrag'n, historian Rev. Jerome Mart'nez, and native person Ray Armenta. All of these interviewees discuss trends and their thoughts on cultural and political trends in Santa Fe.
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Producing Organization: KNME-TV (Television station : Albuquerque, N.M.)
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Chicago: “La Villa de Santa Fe,” 1995-08-19, The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed June 26, 2022,
MLA: “La Villa de Santa Fe.” 1995-08-19. The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. June 26, 2022. <>.
APA: La Villa de Santa Fe. Boston, MA: The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from