La Villa de Santa Fe

<v Roberto Mondragón>The Spanish, when they moved from San Gabriel, from someone <v Roberto Mondragón>in Los Gatos and they moved the capital to Santa Faire in about 1609, <v Roberto Mondragón>must have felt something and they must have known something. <v Roberto Mondragón>You know, maybe it was the water. <v Roberto Mondragón>Maybe it was the proximity to the mountains. <v Roberto Mondragón>Maybe it was the elevation. Something called them here. <v Roberto Mondragón>Something that still calls people to Santa Fe because they do feel this <v Roberto Mondragón>is, in fact, the healing place. <v Katie Peters>I think Santa Fe has a natural beauty sitting at the foot of these mountains. <v Katie Peters>It's just phenomenal. It. <v Katie Peters>It comes with being, again, in a transition stage. <v Katie Peters>We are right here between the mountains and the desert.

<v Katie Peters>And so there's always some some change happening <v Katie Peters>that involves color, light, <v Katie Peters>intensity of air changes, you know, wonderful feeling smells. <v Katie Peters>It's a beautiful place physically to be. <v Katie Peters>But I think the thing that really makes brings people here to stay <v Katie Peters>is the possibility of a lifestyle, <v Katie Peters>the possibility of really slowing down, really <v Katie Peters>appreciating the interest part of yourself, having <v Katie Peters>the time for that, being encouraged to do it by the gentleness <v Katie Peters>of the Spanish culture. <v Katie Peters>I think that's what people really look for when they come here. <v Katie Peters>Some people are successful. Some people radically alter their lives when they come here. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I think what originally drew people here, and this

<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>is just my speculation, is that there seems to be an element <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>of the divide in the geography. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>There seems to be altogether a feeling of the spirit <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>working in this place, and that's quite apart even from the human experience <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>here. I know people who have just, you know, come here for the first time <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>and experience that and told me about that. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I think the Spaniards who came here oftentimes <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>regarded it as the Holy Land and they regarded <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>it as such, calling it like something sometimes. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Just the landscape itself, you know, lends itself to that kind <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>of contemplation of the divine and contemplation of the eternal qualities. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>So, yes, I think there's something about Santa Fe in terms of.

<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Just the placement at the foot of the mountains, just the clearness of <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>the air, the quality of life that tells people that <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>this has been touched in some way by the finger of God. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>And it is no mistake that different peoples, even of different religions, <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>regard it as a holy place. <v Debbie Jaramillo>It's kind of difficult to explain because some people I've heard say <v Debbie Jaramillo>there's a sense of holiness about it. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And I think when you grow up here, you kind of <v Debbie Jaramillo>take a lot for granted. But you still know, it's there's just something special about the <v Debbie Jaramillo>place. <v Debbie Jaramillo>It's a kind of a caring atmosphere here.

<v Debbie Jaramillo>And, you know, whether we're caring about the land or we're caring about <v Debbie Jaramillo>our brother or sister, neighbor or whatever it is, <v Debbie Jaramillo>I just knew from early on. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And I still feel it today that whatever it is out there <v Debbie Jaramillo>that we experience it sometimes just <v Debbie Jaramillo>can best be described as magical. <v Debbie Jaramillo>Because magic is something you can really paint a picture of <v Debbie Jaramillo>or you can't de scribe in full detail. <v Debbie Jaramillo>But it's something more you feel. And sometimes hard to <v Debbie Jaramillo>see what one feels. <v Katie Peters>?Zozobra?, of course, is old man gloom who has to get burned

<v Katie Peters>in order for Fiesta's to start. If you can't don't burn old man Gloom, then everybody's <v Katie Peters>going to be gloomy. You can't have a fiesta. <v Katie Peters>So it's very important that Zozobra was burned <v Katie Peters>and lots of yelling and screaming took place and we all watched him go down. <v Katie Peters>That's what we were told. But as little children, it was so sad to <v Katie Peters>see Zozobra get burned. <v Katie Peters>Here he was you know beautiful, tall, white, flowing <v Katie Peters>puppet doll. Maybe he had a big, scary face, a big green nose, big <v Katie Peters>orange eyes and purple ears but we liked him. <v Katie Peters>And for him, too, we waited all year for him and for him to <v Katie Peters>have to go all up in flames in one night. <v Katie Peters>It was sad. And we would we would wonder why the grown ups were always so happy when the <v Katie Peters>all these little kids, you know got sad. <v Katie Peters>[Religious music playing]

<v Celina Rael de García>About a year ago or over a year ago, there was a young man that was shot and <v Celina Rael de García>killed by police. And this town was on the brink of exploding. <v Celina Rael de García>People were ready to become violent. <v Celina Rael de García>But it was it was a manifestation and an end of an <v Celina Rael de García>accumulated rage over the loss of community, <v Celina Rael de García>the loss of power for traditional people in this community. <v Tom Chávez>You have over the centuries, the story of these two Europeans were European cultures <v Tom Chávez>who were natural rivals in Europe. <v Tom Chávez>England the leader of the Protestant Reformation and Spain, <v Tom Chávez>the leader of the Catholic Counter Reformation. <v Tom Chávez>They disliked each other. They do to this day. <v Tom Chávez>[Drumming noises] And so you have these people coming, the Hispanics from Spain, Iberia

<v Tom Chávez>coming in for our purposes, Mexico, central Mexico and expanding from the south to the <v Tom Chávez>north. We know about the English, the northern Europeans, the Protestants coming to the <v Tom Chávez>East Coast from the seeds of a few religious separatist settlements <v Tom Chávez>and religion and merchant adventurers in the central colonies expanding into the <v Tom Chávez>cottoning. Of course, of two and a half century, becoming a transcontinental world power. <v Tom Chávez>And aren't we great? [Religious music playing] And <v Tom Chávez>what did they meet? They met Europeans again, descendants of Europeans who had gone <v Tom Chávez>through the same experience. They had come to a new world, met new people, learned about

<v Tom Chávez>new foods, new languages, new animals, and became something different than they left <v Tom Chávez>in Europe. They became American. <v Tom Chávez>And they expanded from the south to the north. <v Tom Chávez>Now, I'm not very brilliant. I'm simple minded, which is good for a New Mexican. <v Tom Chávez>But if these people were expanding east to west, south to north, you know, <v Tom Chávez>like that, they had to meet again if they're on the same continent. <v Tom Chávez>And where was the hub of the meeting? New Mexico. <v Tom Chávez>[Eagle cries and drumming noises]The <v Tom Chávez>meaning of Manifest Destiny. <v Tom Chávez>Of ?Gnosticism? ?Gnosticism? <v Tom Chávez>that the thing that is the marriage of what is European and Indian. <v Tom Chávez>Because in the Hispanic world and especially in Mexico, that's what happened. <v Tom Chávez>[Religious music playing] <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I think Santa Fe has always had a wonderful history of being terribly inclusive.

<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Whether it was the Spaniards or other foreigners that came here, <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Native Americans, artists. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Later, pioneers, the American conquerors, whatever it was, <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>you know, all of them found a place here. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>As long as they were willing to understand Santa Fe's story and uniqueness. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>The problem has occurred that many times outsiders, much like the Spaniards that came in <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>the first place, sought to fix what was unique about New Mexico <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>to try and build an image of what they had left behind. <v Celina Rael de García>There was 5 points liquor store and where the Hilton now is was a whole neighborhood, <v Celina Rael de García>just lots of people that live there. <v Celina Rael de García>What happened to the people that live there in the traditional neighborhoods <v Celina Rael de García>is they got put into what we what we then again, not so teasingly

<v Celina Rael de García>called Chicano concentration camps so that they were uprooted from, <v Celina Rael de García>you know, were they some of them were elderly and had been born there and their <v Celina Rael de García>parents lived there in this district and were put into the projects <v Celina Rael de García>and literally they died. <v Celina Rael de García>If not, you know, they didn't you know, they moved away. <v Celina Rael de García>They didn't live much longer because it was just so different. <v Celina Rael de García>It was such an uprooting. They didn't have a voice. <v Celina Rael de García>They had no choice. <v Celina Rael de García>Back then, there was a small group of us that did protest, but <v Celina Rael de García>the pressure from the very conservative Hispanic community in Santa Fe <v Celina Rael de García>was, oh, that's really terrible. <v Celina Rael de García>Kivett, Windsor, which is like it's more than than than a shame. <v Celina Rael de García>It's like you're embarrassing all of us by doing that. <v Celina Rael de García>You just don't do that. <v Celina Rael de García>They didn't understand that they were losing control of

<v Celina Rael de García>a very real part of who they were or what this community was. <v Celina Rael de García>And, you know, to me, that stands out as a really significant <v Celina Rael de García>event in changing Santa Fe from <v Celina Rael de García>the feeling that it had as a traditional community to <v Celina Rael de García>the change that we see today. <v Tom Chávez>One thing about people who have been here is that there is no 1 or <v Tom Chávez>2 or 3 cultures. No, the old myth about the three cultures of New Mexico. <v Tom Chávez>That's just not true. My favorite stories is a third grade teacher who asked their

<v Tom Chávez>students, you know the three cultures in New Mexico? And a little girl on the back row <v Tom Chávez>raises her hand, says, yes, what is it? And she said, the little girl answered men, women <v Tom Chávez>and children. And that's it. <v Tom Chávez>With all the variances in there, good, bad, ugly, beautiful in all of this. <v Tom Chávez>And within those cultures that we like to talk <v Tom Chávez>about, the Native American, the Hispanic, the Anglo American flag lack different <v Tom Chávez>or all these different cultures. There's no such thing as an Indian culture, for example. <v Tom Chávez>There isn't. There are Indian cultures. <v Tom Chávez>I mean, how many people come here and think Pueblo Indians are one group of people? <v Tom Chávez>They're not you know, they're 5 different language groups. <v Tom Chávez>And then the Hispanic people, you know, I'm on my dad's side of the family, 13th <v Tom Chávez>generation, New Mexican. <v Tom Chávez>My ancestors who came here are different from the people who come from Mexico today. <v Tom Chávez>My ancestors didn't know mariachi music, which I love. <v Tom Chávez>They didn't know that that's an invention of this century. <v Tom Chávez>It's a contribution to here from Mexico in recent generations.

<v Tom Chávez>My grandparents didn't eat tamales and that's recently <v Tom Chávez>they didn't eat Tamales. That's something that's recent that has come here has been <v Tom Chávez>another contribution from Mexico. So people through generations have changed our culture. <v Tom Chávez>[Horns honking and mariachi music playing] <v Roberto Mondragón>The Hispanic culture and the culture of the Native

<v Roberto Mondragón>American cultures, as well as the culture of <v Roberto Mondragón>all peoples who are associated with the land and the water <v Roberto Mondragón>that have the roots in the land. <v Roberto Mondragón>Those values have to do with respect, <v Roberto Mondragón>with respect for each other, respect for the elderly, <v Roberto Mondragón>respect for yourself, but also respect for the water <v Roberto Mondragón>and for the land and for the Earth for all of our environment. <v Roberto Mondragón>And even those things have been given a monetary <v Roberto Mondragón>value in the tradition of old <v Roberto Mondragón>Santa Fe and the northern part of <v Roberto Mondragón>old Mexico, the water in the land went together. <v Roberto Mondragón>The ?sectors? were put in such a way that they carried the water and irrigated <v Roberto Mondragón>the land and could compare it to a human body where there <v Roberto Mondragón>are ?sectors? The veins.

<v Roberto Mondragón>The water is the blood that provides the <v Roberto Mondragón>nutrient for those other parts of the body to be <v Roberto Mondragón>able to flourish. <v Roberto Moya>I remember when my father used to get me out of bed early in the morning, <v Roberto Moya>probably at the break of dawn, and he would tell me Come on Roberto, levantate. <v Roberto Moya>We have to go every day in the hot tiempo. <v Roberto Moya>And the best time of the day is to irrigate early in the morning <v Roberto Moya>when the sun is not so hot or late in the afternoon after it's gone down, <v Roberto Moya>because during the day the water evaporates and you lose a lot of it. <v Roberto Moya>There's things I learned from him because he was a good teacher to me. <v Roberto Moya>He taught me how to defend our water rights. <v Roberto Moya>He would tell me Roberto, the ?inaudible? <v Roberto Moya>de madre has more power than the president of the United States.

<v Roberto Moya>And you fight for your rights. Don't let anybody take them away from you. <v Roberto Moya>Up to this day, I still remember all these things. <v Roberto Moya>It's unfortunate that we have lost a lot of water rights people that irrigated <v Roberto Moya>the link to the ?inaudible? de Madre. <v Roberto Moya>You saw families break up, sons, daughters left their <v Roberto Moya>families to marry. <v Roberto Moya>And the father or the owners of that property had nobody <v Roberto Moya>to take care of their lands. <v Roberto Moya>So naturally, they lost their water rights. <v Roberto Moya>I am fortunate that when my father passed his land on to <v Roberto Moya>me and he said, Roberto, I want you to be the next ?inaudible?, <v Roberto Moya>And I said, Father, I will follow in your footsteps and generations <v Roberto Moya>to come. My sons will follow in my footsteps too. <v Roberto Moya>When you had a head cold.

<v Roberto Moya>You would take a towel and wrap your feet and get you into bed <v Roberto Moya>so that the temperature from the head would go down to the feet <v Roberto Moya>and it would bring the temperature down. So you see the importance of water not only for <v Roberto Moya>drinking, cooking, but it's healing. <v Roberto Moya>We have holy water as Catholics. <v Roberto Moya>We still believe that putting your fingers and blessing you with holy water. <v Roberto Moya>It's just like being maybe my statement isn't correct, like being baptized again. <v Roberto Moya>We used water for baptism. <v Roberto Moya>We use water for everything. <v Roberto Moya>How can we live without it? <v Roberto Moya>That's why I say to me, water is liquid gold. <v Roberto Moya>You can have all the millions and millions of dollars in the bank, stocks, bonds, <v Roberto Moya>whatever you call it. But if you don't have water, you have nothing. <v Roberto Mondragón>Now, with the new way of life,

<v Roberto Mondragón>water has different values. <v Roberto Mondragón>Water can, can and is used for different purposes. <v Roberto Mondragón>And some of that water then is wrested away from the land <v Roberto Mondragón>causing that land, then in effect, to die <v Roberto Mondragón>and to never, ever be used again for the traditional <v Roberto Mondragón>purposes. Of sustaining people <v Roberto Mondragón>in a way of life. <v Tom Chávez>The thing is, all these people came to this place, which was in the middle of nowhere. <v Tom Chávez>Always there was no virgin territory, you know, in the Santa Fe <v Tom Chávez>Trail opened up. It wasn't the United States is opened that trail up. <v Tom Chávez>By the time those people came here, there wasn't there wasn't a gully, a tree, a hill and <v Tom Chávez>the plains from the north to the south that wasn't named with a Hispanic name, including

<v Tom Chávez>the Platte River, which was the real Jesus Maria. <v Tom Chávez>You know, they weren't going anywheres new. <v Tom Chávez>In fact, the first ones coming down were rescued out in the plains by, you know, also <v Tom Chávez>Spanish soldiers from New Mexico just out doing a normal patrol. <v Roberto Mondragón>The people coming from the Republic of Texas would <v Roberto Mondragón>see no fences and some would say. <v Roberto Mondragón>This is not this can become our land and put up a fence. <v Roberto Mondragón>And they most of the time did that, knowing that that, in fact was a land grant. <v Roberto Mondragón>When these fences began to go up, when the railroad began to come across, <v Roberto Mondragón>when the people that were there saw that they were losing their land, they joined <v Roberto Mondragón>together in efforts, sometimes hundreds of them around Los ?inaudible? <v Roberto Mondragón>Blanca's. And they went and cut down the fences, burned the haystacks says, trying <v Roberto Mondragón>to stop the railroad from coming across.

<v Roberto Mondragón>Justice was known <v Roberto Mondragón>only by name. <v Roberto Mondragón>Justice. <v Roberto Mondragón>A lot of time did not reach out to the people. <v Roberto Mondragón>People had to create the wrong <v Roberto Mondragón>justice. <v Roberto Mondragón>People stayed in Santa Fe in the Rio a Rio and the Rio Abajo in the part <v Roberto Mondragón>that had been Mexico but was now part of the United States with <v Roberto Mondragón>the understanding that some things were going to be protected, including their language, <v Roberto Mondragón>including their culture, including the right to the land.

<v Roberto Mondragón>That was part of the grants that had been given both by Spain and <v Roberto Mondragón>by Mexico. <v Roberto Mondragón>And they had high hopes and their <v Roberto Mondragón>hopes were shattered. [Man singing in traditional language] <v Ray Armenta>I don't see any my friends in the eastern side in the foothills of Santa Fe. <v Ray Armenta>They're gone. They're being flushed out.

<v Ray Armenta>It saddens me to ask old friends that I grew up with. <v Ray Armenta>Where do you live? <v Ray Armenta>And they honestly and truthfully just tell me, Ray, I live in a trailer and down there in <v Ray Armenta>south part of Santa Fe by the penitentiary, Lone Butte, these areas. <v Ray Armenta>And I say to I ask them, well, how did this come to be? <v Ray Armenta>And they said, well, they offered us a lump sum of cash, <v Ray Armenta>100,000 for our house and we let it go. <v Ray Armenta>People have sold to the outsider, the outsiders build these beautiful homes. <v Ray Armenta>So the cost of real estate goes up. <v Ray Armenta>What happens to the taxes? It's exorbitant. <v Ray Armenta>It's it's getting astronomical. <v Ray Armenta>[Man singing in traditional language] So basically, you're <v Ray Armenta>between a rock and a hard place and you're going to have to sell because there's nothing

<v Ray Armenta>else to do but continue to put out money because historically it's yours. <v Ray Armenta>[Man singing in traditional language] When you were being dictated <v Ray Armenta>to us to what you can, which you can't do with your land that has been in your family <v Ray Armenta>for centuries, it brings on anger. <v Ray Armenta>It brings on sadness. It was something that's been passed down generation to generation. <v Ray Armenta>These lands are such quaint lands, here, that all of a sudden <v Ray Armenta>we have this influx of outsiders coming in. <v Ray Armenta>And there's not a problem with the outsider per se. <v Ray Armenta>As long as they respect our rights, our holdings, <v Ray Armenta>our heritage. <v Ray Armenta>I mean, that's the bottom line runtime of heritage here. <v Ray Armenta>And this is the stuff that angers the locals. <v Ray Armenta>And then I can foresee that there's problems.

<v Ray Armenta>I mean, I can see that there's problems and I can foresee where there's more coming, <v Ray Armenta>because the more you try to deprive people of their rights, the more of an uprising <v Ray Armenta>you'll get I mean, that's cause of all revolutions. <v Ray Armenta>[Man singing in traditional langauge] All <v Ray Armenta>of a sudden I feel anymore when I come to Santa Fe, but I'm <v Ray Armenta>not really treated anymore like a local, like the native I am I <v Ray Armenta>feel like the outsider coming in.

<v Ray Armenta>[Man singing in tradtional language] <v Tom Chávez>Everybody, whether they be a farmer, a day laborer or even a governor, was expected <v Tom Chávez>to bear arms to protect themselves.

<v Tom Chávez>You know, you couldn't travel without fear of death at every turn. <v Tom Chávez>And that was a way of life. So, you know, we don't live those kind of conditions anymore. <v Tom Chávez>I guess the closest thing is what we thought the danger was during the Cold War or <v Tom Chávez>something. But when death is real and right there and you see it. <v Tom Chávez>You know, until television brought war to us in our living room, we really didn't <v Tom Chávez>understand that, you know, unless you'd been there. <v Tom Chávez>These people lived that, every one of them. <v Tom Chávez>And in that life and death is what it's all about. <v Tom Chávez>That's what they live. And it's it's you know, all you can do is come out and say, <v Tom Chávez>how why am I here if I'm descended for these people? <v Tom Chávez>How did they do that? <v Tom Chávez>How do they live that way? <v Tom Chávez>You know, it's really something. <v Roberto Moya>[Speaking Spanish] Families separate, they don't see each other like before. I remember when I was little on Sundays we'd visit our relatives. One Sunday, we would go to their <v Roberto Moya>house another Sunday they would come to ours and our parents could always spare a plate of food. When at home, people would do without to make relatives or guests feel as if this <v Roberto Moya>was their own house.

<v Celina Rael de García>Everyone spoke Spanish and everyone understood it. <v Celina Rael de García>It was the language of the community. <v Celina Rael de García>And as as young children, we would speak Spanish in the playground and English in class. <v Celina Rael de García>And that included Anglos, Native Americans, <v Celina Rael de García>African-Americans, whoever it was. <v Celina Rael de García>We all spoke Spanish. And you didn't speak Spanish. <v Celina Rael de García>Then you were Anglo. <v Celina Rael de García>OK. Even though you were Hispanic, it's kind of. <v Celina Rael de García>I know it's it's kind of a funny thing, but that's just the way, you know, Santa Fe is <v Celina Rael de García>always been like.

<v Tom Chávez>Everybody who came here in previous generations have been descendants <v Tom Chávez>here. No one was eliminated. <v Tom Chávez>There was no genocide. We're all still here. <v Tom Chávez>We're all still here. <v Tom Chávez>And we ?enjoin? Each other. <v Debbie Jaramillo>We've all heard the saying "mi casa es su casa". <v Debbie Jaramillo>And what that has always meant to me is the door was always <v Debbie Jaramillo>open. The people of this area for hundreds of years have been very <v Debbie Jaramillo>passive people who welcomed anyone into their home. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And I used to always say, well, you know, the door was open and we welcome <v Debbie Jaramillo>you to come into our home, but we didn't ask you to rearrange our furniture. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And that's what's happening today. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>It's overall been that same attitude on the part of some of these newcomers <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>that we're here to fix. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>We're here to make better according to our own image and likeness. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>And that's causing resentment on the part of some natives who say we don't need to be <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>fixed. We're not a problem to be solved.

<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>You know, if you want a dialog with us, we're willing to dialog, but we're not willing <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>to be dictated to because of money or because of influence or because of power. <v Tom Chávez>And we still do in Santa Fe today share and fight <v Tom Chávez>and struggle in how to live in these two worlds because both worlds have something good <v Tom Chávez>to give. It's not a cultural thing. It's not the old world, the new world's the United <v Tom Chávez>States and the old world is Mexico, Hispanic, Indian. <v Celina Rael de García>I see it as a positive thing that the community is saying. <v Celina Rael de García>I'm angry because that takes away from kind of a dysfunction <v Celina Rael de García>that's been going on in Santa Fe, where people are saying everything's fine. <v Celina Rael de García>You know, everything's wonderful. Mi casa es su casa and <v Celina Rael de García>that that wasn't true. That wasn't true. <v Celina Rael de García>You just didn't say it publicly because it was embarrassing. <v Celina Rael de García>And more people who say more traditional people are coming out and saying it's not OK. <v Celina Rael de García>I am not less than I am part of this community and it belongs to me. <v Celina Rael de García>And for a long time, people just hit out.

<v Roberto Mondragón>I don't care how much money you offer me. <v Roberto Mondragón>And I might carry a conversation that, yes, I am willing to <v Roberto Mondragón>sell. But in my heart it tells me, <v Roberto Mondragón>don't sell, this is yours. <v Roberto Mondragón>I could probably sell and I'd have no problem doing it. <v Roberto Mondragón>[Speaking Spanish] Pero no, yo no vendo. <v Celina Rael de García>You can't stop the infringement <v Celina Rael de García>of exploitation, and by that I mean development, improper use <v Celina Rael de García>of water in improper use of children in the education system. <v Celina Rael de García>And we just need to wake up and say, OK, no, that's not OK. <v Celina Rael de García>We're not going to accept that. We're going to resist it. <v Roberto Mondragón>But then people did begin to get together and they saw changes <v Roberto Mondragón>coming to their mountains weren't being cut. <v Roberto Mondragón>And they said no. <v Roberto Mondragón>They saw massive stores and complexes <v Roberto Mondragón>that were going to be going into areas like Bacca Street

<v Roberto Mondragón>in ?inaudible?. And they spoke up and said no traffic was beginning <v Roberto Mondragón>to go down ?Afria? The big trucks and tankers and so forth. <v Roberto Mondragón>And people said no. <v Tom Chávez>And in Santa Fe, we have that conflict constantly. <v Tom Chávez>You know, developers come here, say, I want to build a 15 story building. <v Tom Chávez>You can't do that. <v Tom Chávez>I want to build a glass building. You can't do that. <v Tom Chávez>And we hear architects complain constantly. <v Tom Chávez>Well, you're limiting me. I'm an artiste. <v Tom Chávez>I should be allowed to do this. And the answer is, if you're a real artist, you will take <v Tom Chávez>the guidelines we have here and be really innovative. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>We have to be able to manage growth. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>Be able to accommodate the well-intentioned newcomers. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>To be able to listen to their story, to make it now part of the wider <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>circle. That is Santa Fe. <v Debbie Jaramillo>I just think that if we start thinking as one big <v Debbie Jaramillo>group of people or one big family, it's what will be the salvation <v Debbie Jaramillo>of Santa Fe and any other place across the country because

<v Debbie Jaramillo>we are one. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And that may mean something different to different people. <v Debbie Jaramillo>But to me, it's not. We Hispanics are one, are we Native Americans are one <v Debbie Jaramillo>or are we men or one? And we women. <v Debbie Jaramillo>It's about we as people are all one. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And when we think about what we do and how it impacts <v Debbie Jaramillo>our neighbor and how we can be good neighbors <v Debbie Jaramillo>to one another, then we're going to protect what's left of this town. <v Roberto Moya>?inaudible? After I eat dinner during the summer months. <v Roberto Moya>I sit outside in the front in my little bench, just on the footsteps there. <v Roberto Moya>Take out my radio. Turn on the music.

<v Roberto Moya>And I enjoy people going by. <v Roberto Moya>Lot of people stop by to talk to me. I see a lot of relatives that will stop by and talk <v Roberto Moya>to me. And I've seen people, even relatives or friends <v Roberto Moya>who say, "Hey, Bobby, don't sell." You know? <v Roberto Moya>"Don't sell, hang on to it." ?inaudible? I will, I will. Primo's <v Roberto Moya>lived down the street here. Up the street, you know see, "Hey Bobby. <v Roberto Moya>No vendas. You know, hang onto it. <v Roberto Moya>I will." <v Debbie Jaramillo>I know speaking for my own kids and I know many others in this community, <v Debbie Jaramillo>they can fall through the cracks if they feel there's nothing here for them today. <v Debbie Jaramillo>There's very little for our youth to stay here and be a part of future <v Debbie Jaramillo>generations and carry on what's you know, my <v Debbie Jaramillo>generation and generations before me have left their mark on Santa Fe. <v Debbie Jaramillo>And if that continues, what this town could become is maybe some <v Debbie Jaramillo>high end retirement community.

<v Debbie Jaramillo>And, you know, our kids are meanwhile having to go elsewhere to to <v Debbie Jaramillo>go on with their lives. So if at the very least we tried to tie our school <v Debbie Jaramillo>curriculum to the area's history, <v Debbie Jaramillo>we can do a lot to save those kids who are very much <v Debbie Jaramillo>tied to their families, don't want to leave, need a place and want to make <v Debbie Jaramillo>their mark here in Santa Fe. <v Katie Peters>I would like to see as many people who believe in <v Katie Peters>industry and economics and arts and government structures <v Katie Peters>and bureaucracy also believe in education and the power of it. <v Katie Peters>If adults with multiple visions can get in contact <v Katie Peters>with these kids, then we really are going to develop an incredible population's <v Katie Peters>town. I, I think that putting fears and superstitions <v Katie Peters>aside, there's so much good happening in Santa Fe

<v Katie Peters>and we just have to make sure that everybody <v Katie Peters>is a part of it. <v Katie Peters>That people don't get left out. <v Katie Peters>There's somebody to talk to. <v Katie Peters>Everybody, everybody has a chance to have their say. <v Katie Peters>[Dramatic music playing] <v Roberto Moya>[Speaking Spanish] I place my poblem in your hands, do as you will as you think is best, I ask you Lord that you may help us. That you may provide us with water when you think it <v Roberto Moya>necessary. And what I say, I say from my heart.

<v Roberto Mondragón>Progress will happen. <v Roberto Mondragón>Progress is inevitable. <v Roberto Mondragón>But the progress that takes place and the development that takes place has to take <v Roberto Mondragón>place with the input of the people that are affected. <v Roberto Mondragón>Because everyone wants to have a say about the things that affect them <v Roberto Mondragón>and their children and their children's children. <v Celina Rael de García>We're getting more young people looking at learning their language <v Celina Rael de García>and actually asking their parents and grandparents to teach them <v Celina Rael de García>the language. <v Celina Rael de García>And that's what we all need to do.

<v Celina Rael de García>And it's not creating differences. <v Celina Rael de García>It's accepting them and building on them. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I'm concerned, you know, that Santa Fe become <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>just part of the melting pot. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>That is the fate and destiny of many American <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>cities. I'm afraid that Santa Fe may lose its differentness <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>when it calls itself the "City Different." And <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>I would like that not to happen. I would like Santa Fe to be a continuing city <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>on a hill, a shining light, of a reconciliation

<v Rev. Jerome Martínez>and ability to nurture and cherish each other's stories <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>and to build on that. <v Rev. Jerome Martínez>That's my prayer and hope. [Mariachi band music playing]