States of Mind; Mill City

<v Speaker>There was one city which was viewed as the preeminent center of modernism, <v Speaker>and there was one artist. <v Speaker>[TV static] <v John Wilson>That's like the moment the guy comes up on the rack and they then about an

<v John Wilson>hour later, the state police shows up and says what happened? <v John Wilson>He says, well, they had a wreck here and there's four environmentalist in that car. <v John Wilson>He says, where were they at? He said, I buried him. <v John Wilson>He said, why do you bury them? There were they were dead. He said, You sure? <v John Wilson>They said, well, two of them said they weren't. But you know how the environmentalists <v John Wilson>lie. <v John Wilson>That's kind of joke that are going around now. <v Speaker>["Family Tree" by Michael Murphey plays] <v Speaker> <v John Wilson> <v John Wilson>We'll go here from Mill City from Willamina. <v John Wilson>Things got kind of slow over there, wasn't much going on so we moved over here looking <v John Wilson>for a job. Many times did I wish I had done something else.

<v John Wilson>But and over the years, <v John Wilson>I have did other jobs. <v John Wilson>But I always come back to trucking. I kind of like I like driving just about anything, <v John Wilson>you know, early. <v John Wilson>I guess if I had my my dream or whatever, I'd probably be a race car <v John Wilson>driver. I like race cars. <v Speaker>[Chainsaw whirs] <v John Wilson>With all the environmental movement against us and

<v John Wilson>the different spotted owl and different birds and trees <v John Wilson>they're trying to protect, we don't know how long we're gonna have our jobs. <v John Wilson>I'm sure going to be quite a few of us to lose our job, but we don't know who they'll be. <v John Wilson>I know it gets kind of depressing at times, worrying, you know, when you have to <v John Wilson>be scared for your job. <v John Wilson>I'm not worried so much about myself as I am for my kids and my grandkids. <v John Wilson>You know, what are they gonna do? <v Speaker>I can't have birthday cake any more, too many candles, it flames out, burns the roof. <v Speaker>One more, you got it. <v Speaker>Make a wish for me. <v Speaker>You ready? <v Speaker>Yes. <v Speaker>OK. Ready. <v Speaker>Let's go. <v Speaker>Happy birthday to <v Speaker>you. Happy birthday, dear Brent, Happy <v Speaker>birthday to you.

<v Speaker>Little Brent's ready. Little Brent wants his piece. <v Speaker>Yeah. Give him a piece of cake, small piece. <v Speaker>Are you ready for some birthday cake? <v Speaker>It's not hot honey, you can eat it. <v Speaker>Don't say hot, he'll think it's hot. <v Speaker>It's not hot. <v John Wilson's Wife>I was 15. Actually, I was 12, him and some guys come to <v John Wilson's Wife>the house and I remember him and my sister didn't like him. <v John Wilson's Wife>Then when I was 16, my mom was working at the hospital in the kitchen. <v John Wilson's Wife>And John worked there on the supply. <v John Wilson's Wife>And he was talking that he needed a date <v John Wilson's Wife>for the Christmas party <v John Wilson's Wife>and he was separated from his wife.

<v John Wilson's Wife>They were going through a divorce. My mom said, oh, I have a 16 year old daughter, but <v John Wilson's Wife>you'll have to ask her yourself. And he did he come over? <v John Wilson's Wife>And he told me later his first thoughts when I answered the door <v John Wilson's Wife>there was this skinny girl with long straggly one hair, he thought, <v John Wilson's Wife>Oh, no, what did I get myself into? <v John Wilson's Wife>And then when he picked me up for the date, we did go out on the date to the dinner. <v John Wilson's Wife>Then he kind of dumped me. <v John Wilson's Wife>He really did. I chased him and he <v John Wilson's Wife>he eventually, I guess, decided that I wasn't going to get rid of me. <v John Wilson's Wife>So he married me. <v John Wilson's Wife>It'll be 22 years, November twenty third. <v John Wilson>I'm gonna pay my bills, cash my check. <v John Wilson>If I don't pay my bills Charlie don't talk to me, <v John Wilson>isn't that right?

<v Charlie Stewart>We've never we've never been where we didn't talk. <v John Wilson>We've never been where we didn't talk. We got that much. <v John Wilson>Is that it? Two weeks. <v John Wilson>I made twenty five bucks after I paid my bill. <v Charlie Stewart>You'll find out they overpaid you. <v John Wilson>And a nickel. <v Charlie Stewart>You'll find out they overpaid you. <v John Wilson>Yeah. <v John Wilson>Just started working. I wasn't workin but two, three days a week. <v John Wilson>And we were struggling and everything. And I came in and asked Charlie if <v John Wilson>I could charge some groceries cuz I found out that he has accounts like that. <v John Wilson>And he said, how much you need it all? <v John Wilson>Probably about twenty dollars worth. So he's over here to do this. <v John Wilson>He just reached in his pocket and handed me a $20 bill, said pay me back when you get the <v John Wilson>chance. And I thought that was pretty neat. <v John Wilson>He didn't know who I was or nothing, you know? <v John Wilson>And that was that was kind of great. But that's what small towns are, man. <v John Wilson>Small town I was raised and had a little grocery store like this and <v John Wilson>everybody went in every two weeks, paid their bills.

<v John Wilson>You just went in every night or whenever you needed groceries and charged it. <v John Wilson>It was called Macardi and Martin Grocery store, it's not there <v John Wilson>anymore. Had an earthquake in '80 and about 90 percent in my <v John Wilson>home town fell down. <v Charlie Stewart>They started out with her.

<v Charlie Stewart>This is just it, we have a kind of a mixed variety. <v Charlie Stewart>We have groceries. We have casual clothes. <v Charlie Stewart>We have work clothes. <v Charlie Stewart>And we have the canned goods, <v Charlie Stewart>groceries, meats, produce, <v Charlie Stewart>frozen food. <v Charlie Stewart>This is our offices, such as it is. <v Charlie Stewart>That's my secretary up there. <v Charlie Stewart>That's who I am. <v Charlie Stewart>She's been my secretary for a long time. <v Charlie Stewart>When I came home from the war, she was at the gangplank wait for me to come home. <v Charlie Stewart>So we've been working it out together ever since. <v Charlie Stewart>Levi's, this is what we call blue jeans. <v Charlie Stewart>Hickory shirts. <v Charlie Stewart>This is what the men incidentally, we don't grow these here. <v Charlie Stewart>They come from the south. <v Charlie Stewart>We use lots of them. In here we call this our boot.

<v Charlie Stewart>This is a high rent history when you're driving to work. <v Charlie Stewart>We have boots. <v Charlie Stewart>Here's a <v Charlie Stewart>believe it or not, one hundred and seventy five dollars worth of work shoes. <v Charlie Stewart>It cost almost 300 dollars for a man to buy <v Charlie Stewart>a proper winterware just to get ready, hardhat, <v Charlie Stewart>wool socks, underwear, blue jeans, shirts <v Charlie Stewart>and everything that it takes, and when we can equip a logger from the <v Charlie Stewart>skin out. But the thing that is, is it is expensive, though.

<v Charlie Stewart>Whenever I sell that, that's a big part of my my day, too. <v Charlie Stewart>So I really and if you take away my logger, you're taking away <v Charlie Stewart>my sales. <v John Wilson>Fair. Now, this is downtown. <v John Wilson>This is the plaza. <v John Wilson>Isn't very big, awful small little town. <v John Wilson>But this was the timber communities are, they're just small towns and <v John Wilson>families living and working together. <v John Wilson>I remember that guy there, says Filbert, that most of the truck drivers use handles. <v John Wilson>When I lived over here, they used to call me the town drunk. <v John Wilson>Of course I don't drink. So I don't know how I got stuck with that handle but I <v John Wilson>did. Wver where I work now, they call me scrap iron. <v John Wilson>Bowl of chili. <v Speaker>[Laughter]

<v Cop>Maybe that's why I'm a cop and you're not. OK. <v Cop>[Laughs] It's exciting though. <v Speaker>And the winner is... <v Speaker>Yes. <v Speaker>Didn't you eat before you got here? <v Speaker>[Laughter] <v Speaker>No, I haven't eaten since 5:30 this morning. <v Woman>All right. Are you guys ready? <v Woman>The winner is number seven. <v Speaker>Who's number seven? <v Speaker>That can't be possible... Kiwanis club. <v Speaker>[Applause] Oh, come on. <v Speaker>Right, right. <v Speaker>Right. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?]

<v John Wilson>This used to be a pretty busy place. Ten, fifteen years ago, it was just <v John Wilson>trainloads, lumber and plywood out of here. <v John Wilson>The railroad track goes on down the wall of my lumber and Hampton veneers down at the <v John Wilson>other end of town. And then it used to go on out all the way to <v John Wilson>Gran Ron with all the meals, clothes, and people are moving off to the other towns and <v John Wilson>stuff. <v Speaker>I didn't come from a wealthy family, and I know very well what happens <v Speaker>to a family because it happened to mine when I was in the fifth grade. <v Speaker>My dad was 40 years old. <v Speaker>He didn't have a high school education. <v Speaker>He had five kids and a mortgage, though, and he lost his job. <v Speaker>And I remember that day very well. And my mom was crying and I asked her first time in my <v Speaker>life, I seen my mom cry and she I said, what's wrong, Mommy? <v Speaker>And she said, the banks' gonna take our house away.

<v Speaker>And I know very well the feelings and what goes on in those families. <v Speaker>And I will stand with the workers and their families. <v Speaker>I never I never want that to happen to you or your family. <v Speaker>And the way we do that is we settle this issue with the timber supply <v Speaker>and we go out there, we get the door manufacturing, manufacturing jobs. <v Speaker>Doors and windows and cabinets. <v Speaker>Trust joyce beams, a good paying job, not hamburger flipping <v Speaker>job, but good job. Timber related jobs into these communities. <v Speaker>And I'm going to be standing here with you, timber workers and all <v Speaker>Oregonians if I'm elected to the Congress. <v Speaker>Thank you very much. <v Speaker>[Applause] <v Speaker>A lot of people still don't realize the impact of what's going to happen <v Speaker>until they lose your job. The other day, one of our drivers, he says the <v Speaker>difference between depression and recession is recession is when your

<v Speaker>neighbor loses his job. Depression when you lose yours. <v Marie Stewart>I do all of this and then Charlie checks me just to make sure I haven't taken any of this <v Marie Stewart>money or that I put in the wrong place, which I do lots of times. <v Marie Stewart>And then it goes to an accountant who is a friend of ours that we've <v Marie Stewart>had for 40 years. But he lives at the coast. <v Marie Stewart>So twice a year we get to go the coast to the accountant's office to make sure <v Marie Stewart>everything's ready for the government. <v Marie Stewart>You know, when we do the government taxes. <v Marie Stewart>And this is an old, old fashioned McCaskey, I told you about this, didn't I? <v Marie Stewart>And this has our charge account customers. <v Marie Stewart>Well, this is kind of messy. <v Marie Stewart>Well, this is our charge account customers and everybody that <v Marie Stewart>charges here they pay there either every two weeks <v Marie Stewart>or once a month or whenever we can catch 'em. <v Marie Stewart>You know, it depends on what they're doing.

<v Marie Stewart>And so this is where we live and eat out <v Marie Stewart>of this this thing here. So it works pretty well. <v Charlie Stewart>Well, when the people they have financial problems, you know what I mean is that they're <v Charlie Stewart>not working. Well they come to the store. And they say, Charlie, will you help me? <v Charlie Stewart>Most of them I do. If there's a way I can. <v Charlie Stewart>I do. And there's a lot of people. <v Charlie Stewart>So then they don't always have to have my help. <v Charlie Stewart>But there's times that they do when they're raising young families and whatnot. <v Charlie Stewart>Or man needs a new pair of boots before he's payday. <v Charlie Stewart>Well, I mean, he gets his boots and then he comes in and pays for <v Charlie Stewart>it. Like I say, it's a good place to live. <v Charlie Stewart>And it's a if you're a good guy, everybody knows it. <v Charlie Stewart>If you're a bum, everybody knows. <v Charlie Stewart>You know. <v Speaker>[Radio Static] <v John Wilson>There's a lady out there in a Acura going down I-5 at 70

<v John Wilson>passin' real close and they think she they said they think she's possibly a 31. <v John Wilson>I think that's a drunken driver. Thirty one. <v Radio>Clear on an eighty nine. Pontiac. Two doors. <v John Wilson>Then on Friday and Saturday nights there's always a family disturbance. <v John Wilson>Or few weeks ago it was <v John Wilson>two, three people called in the Salem police and said there was a man dragging a woman <v John Wilson>down the street by her hair, by the hair of her head. <v John Wilson>You know, I expect that back in the caveman days but not now. <v John Wilson>I don't know what he was doing, but I guess the cops finally called him or whatever. <v John Wilson>And then this seems like there's always, you know, every so often <v John Wilson>there's always a hostage situation or something, and in Salem or <v John Wilson>Woodburn or Portland or somewhere. <v John Wilson>See that's what makes it look so nice living out here, <v John Wilson>is you hear all this. And it's always going on someplace else. <v John Wilson>You know, you don't hear of it here in town very much in.

<v John Wilson>Those that are haulin' it out - see the big oak down there? <v John Wilson>There's an oak down there somewhere. I didn't see it comin' in. <v John Wilson>We've got a slot picked already, Lucky and I. <v John Wilson>His boys all go. So we're going to leave out Friday sometime. <v John Wilson>I gotta to go pick the camper up. <v Man>Not gonna be drinkin' a beer, are ya? <v John Wilson>No, not. <v John Wilson>That's one thing I don't do when I go huntin', I don't drink. <v John Wilson>Some some guy do. That's fine, you know, but I don't drink any way, you know. <v John Wilson>I drink beer and I get sick, so I stay away from all that stuff.

<v John Wilson>. <v Speaker> All right. What do you put on that one? <v Speaker>[?inaudible?] <v Speaker>I <v Speaker>think it was a Thursday and I went down for my dentist appointment <v Speaker>and at my dentist appointment didn't have no tickets.

<v Speaker>So I went down to the bank and gotten twenty dollars at the end of <v Speaker>the old card thing there and went back up and bought me <v Speaker>five dollars quick pick. <v Speaker>And the next Saturday I was out golfin' Black Butte and we was all B.S.in' <v Speaker>about how it'd be nice to win the lottery and buy us a condo <v Speaker>or something on the fairways and stuff. And that night <v Speaker>when I got home, I seen the numbers flash across the board or across the screen and <v Speaker>went in the bedroom, got my ticket and came outside and went down there to the first <v Speaker>number and started crossing that - goddamn, it sure looks like, you know, all my <v Speaker>numbers. So I called my mom. She always writes down the numbers and she told me the <v Speaker>numbers. And sure enough, I had all six of them. <v Speaker>It was beginning in the end. <v Speaker>Yes. You still bum cigarettes in Copenhagen. <v Speaker>They told me not to change. So I said the same. <v Speaker>How much did you win?

<v Speaker>It was one million. Six hundred and sixty six thousand six hundred eighty. <v Speaker>The first year we went back to Florida and went <v Speaker>to Disney World, and EPCOT Center, and then we went on a cruise out in the Bahamas, he <v Speaker>messed around the Bahamas for four or five days and played to casinos and <v Speaker>stuff like that and just generally had fun. <v Speaker>First vacation in two years. <v John Wilson>It's the feeling of being insecure, you know, not knowing whether you're gonna have your <v John Wilson>job, how long you're gonna have it and or how much - even <v John Wilson>if you got your job, how much you got to get to work and make a living. <v John Wilson>It'd be nice. I like to. <v John Wilson>You know, people, we want to win the lottery, win millions of dollars. <v John Wilson>I like to just win, like something like maybe fifty thousand dollars. <v John Wilson>I could pay my house off on my cars. <v John Wilson>You know, I wouldn't owe nobody nothing. I have probably, I don't <v John Wilson>know, twenty five thousand dollars left over didn't and still keep my job

<v John Wilson>because I don't think I'd ever want to just completely quit and just start going around. <v John Wilson>I think I'd get nervous. <v John Wilson>I can't can't imagine having to try to spend millions <v John Wilson>of dollars. <v John Wilson>Cause we've never really had anything. You know, my family wasn't very rich and <v John Wilson>Robin's family wasn't with all of them. <v John Wilson>Common people that work for a living. You know. <v John Wilson's Wife>All I need is ten thousand dollars just to get me out of the hole that we're in. <v John Wilson's Wife>No, well, not even that. Five thousand would just bring me up to date current on <v John Wilson's Wife>everything. And if I could start over. <v John Wilson's Wife>When we first moved in the house I had very little to work with and I did very well. <v John Wilson's Wife>Then John started making a little bit more money and we spent to that.

<v John Wilson's Wife>Now we're he's back to be making less. <v John Wilson's Wife>And it's just bills are there furthermore. <v Filmmaker>Do you worry about the future? <v John Wilson's Wife>No. I <v John Wilson's Wife>Worry about my children's futures, not mine, because I'm sure <v John Wilson's Wife>I know my oldest would take care of me. <v John Wilson's Wife>So I don't have to worry about mine. <v John Wilson's Wife>It's just if they don't have a future, then I'm not going to have a future. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?]. <v Speaker>[Hammering] <v George Antiyeh>I know

<v George Antiyeh>I've been in Mill City for 20 years. <v George Antiyeh>I'm third generation, or youngin' fourth generation from the timber industry <v George Antiyeh>and I was involved in the timber industry for about twelve years. <v George Antiyeh>And now I have a flying service <v George Antiyeh>and a computer business that were timber dependent, which <v George Antiyeh>almost are bankrupt right now because the timber industry won't use me. <v George Antiyeh>I'm going broke being a conservationist but it's something <v George Antiyeh>that needed to be done. <v Man>Because if we put some two by six right up there. <v Man>Just crossbrace like you have there, that'll sturdy <v Man>it up. You take this up. <v Man>The tail will fit in underneath there. <v Man>You're backin' in, aren't ya?

<v George Antiyeh>Yeah. Uh, I became a pariah in my own community. <v George Antiyeh>People wouldn't talk to me. <v George Antiyeh>I went to watch, watch my boys play football and <v George Antiyeh>I'd have a whole bench to myself. Nobody was - everybody's afraid to even stand next to <v George Antiyeh>me or sit next to me. <v George Antiyeh>My friends were afraid to come over because <v George Antiyeh>they thought that associating with me would taint them. <v George Antiyeh>And so if they did come over, they'd hide their car in my hangar. <v George Antiyeh>They'd call me up on the phone that they were afraid they'd come up <v George Antiyeh>and they stand to you next to you in the grocery store and and <v George Antiyeh>tell you they really believe what you were saying was correct or true and that they <v George Antiyeh>admire your courage for doing at the same time. <v George Antiyeh>They were never we couldn't they couldn't do it themselves. <v George Antiyeh>They couldn't stand up and do it themselves. <v George Antiyeh>They're afraid for their jobs. They are afraid for how the community would look at them. <v George Antiyeh>And then it got worse than that, being socially ostracized.

<v George Antiyeh>I mean, it's not it's not fun. It wasn't fun for me or my family. <v George Antiyeh>But then it got to the point where there were death threats, serious <v George Antiyeh>threats against me. There's threats against my family. <v George Antiyeh>I ran my son off the road logging truck couple times. <v George Antiyeh>They held my daughter down in school <v George Antiyeh>and tied yellow ribbons around her, which are the symbol of the timber industry. <v Speaker>[Construction noise] <v John Wilson>It was mainly hearsay. I didn't didn't know the person or his wife.

<v John Wilson>But I talked to some of the lawyers that knew the guy. <v John Wilson>They weren't out in the woods. They were up by the crummy and stuff. <v John Wilson>And I guess this tree fell over, hit an old snag and the snag just blew apart. <v John Wilson>Well, when it did, a big chunk of the log came over and hit him <v John Wilson>and killed him instantly from what I heard. <v John Wilson>And then. <v John Wilson>These enviromental people had the nerve to send letters to his wife <v John Wilson>saying that if he hadn't have been out there, you know, raping the forest and <v John Wilson>cut the trees down and absolutely running everything, that he wouldn't, he got killed. <v John Wilson>And it was just a job. He was not there making a job for his family. <v John Wilson>It was something he liked to do and it was a way of making a living. <v John Wilson>And I thought, well, you know, that's to me, that's terrorism. <v John Wilson>You know? <v Woman>You're talking about the corporations. Do they have our interests in mind? <v Woman>Is that what you're asking? <v Protestor>Yeah. It seems like they have the most power.

<v Protestor>They do the most damage. And I don't think they have the communities and I don't <v Protestor>think they're thinking about communities at all. I don't think they give a shit about <v Protestor>communities. <v Woman>Okay, let's say that that's true. <v Woman>Do you work? What do you do for a living. <v Protestor>I cook in a tofu factory. <v Woman>But did the majority of you guys work? Put in a lot of taxpayer money? I put in taxpayer money. <v Protestor>So do I. <v Protestor>It's my tax dollars -. <v Woman>There's nothing wrong wiwth productivity. It's part of the way America works. There's five percent of this forest left. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?]. <v Protestor>There's five percent of this forest left. <v Woman>What about the part that's already set aside? <v Protestor>It's not a garden for you to come in for people. <v Protestor>I don't care whether there - I don't care who - to harvest flowers. <v Woman>Money is part of America. <v Protestor>And it's none of our business. We can do fine. <v Protestor>We just better take care of our water.

<v Protestor>We better take care of our air. <v Protestor>You better make sure you don't poison all our fruit. <v Protestor>You know, we'd better not get in a war. <v Protestor>But for God's sakes, as far as the earth is concerned, let's preserve the <v Protestor>last bit of the ancient stuff. <v Protestor>It's so rare that we've taken advantage of so much. <v George Antiyeh>Well, I try to keep my sense of humor through the death threats and so on my answering <v George Antiyeh>machine. I had a message for a while. <v George Antiyeh>Hi, this is George. <v George Antiyeh>Please leave your name number. <v George Antiyeh>But if this is a death threat, I want you to relax, take a deep breath. <v George Antiyeh>Think about what you're going to say. Probably nervous unless you've done this before, <v George Antiyeh>and then leave your death threat. And don't forget to leave your name, your telephone <v George Antiyeh>number and your address. I will be back to you. <v George Antiyeh>Course none of them ever did that but I still got the <v George Antiyeh>death threats. <v Man>Wouldn't be surprised at all if you did. <v Woman>There's three links on here. That's the emblem of our order, that's friendship, love

<v Woman>and truth, which is what our order's based on, is we're <v Woman>supposed to always exhibit friendship, love, and truth. <v Speaker>[?inaudible? <v Speaker>Chris said that next year, next month, or next meeting we're going to <v Speaker>have a Halloween party didn't you Chris? But you forgot. <v Speaker>I think I'm going to come as Lady Godiva. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?]. <v Speaker>I work for that Schwab organization that makes this <v Speaker>light fence. And so my territory goes to Niagara, clear down <v Speaker>the fisherman's main park. <v Speaker>And I report all deer kill on highway 22 in that section. <v Speaker>Well, this year I had an elk killed. <v Speaker>My word. <v Speaker> A nice big yearling elk. <v Speaker>Right down in front of my place.

<v Speaker> What did it hit or what hit <v Speaker>it? <v Speaker>I think a truck. <v John Wilson>Okey dokey, well, he was right by the two so we got another - keep on coming there's <v John Wilson>another wide one right here. <v Man>I'm at the two. <v John Wilson>Okay. Come on around. <v John Wilson>I know you guys are hurry so you can go down and have some lunch. <v John Wilson>I've got to go back to work. Don't get to eat for three or four more hours. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?]. <v John Wilson>Okay. <v John Wilson>Well, I'm hopin' that big elk can still be up there. <v John Wilson>I'm going to get out there with my knife and cut me a slab off of it and cook it. <v John Wilson>If you see an elk runnin' around with a limp tomorrow you'll know I got him. <v Man>Haha, okay. <v George Antiyeh>People who prided themselves on being so so self-reliant are no longer

<v George Antiyeh>self-reliant. In fact, because times are changing around them, <v George Antiyeh>they're whining and whimpering and crying and acting like a bunch of damn babies. <v George Antiyeh>As far as I'm concerned and I've told them that it's about time you people pick <v George Antiyeh>yourself up by your own bootstraps and see and prove who you really are <v George Antiyeh>and recognize that the world's changed around you and you've kept yourself out of a job <v George Antiyeh>and now we have to adapt and do something else. <v John Wilson>I don't want to see all the trees cut down. <v John Wilson>You'll never see them all cut down. But some of the stuff we're replanting now, <v John Wilson>if they would just allow us to go in and take out some of the old stuff and <v John Wilson>then let some of the stuff we replantin' grow in 200 years. <v John Wilson>Now it's going to be old growth and it's gonna be a lot better than what the old growth <v John Wilson>standin' now. <v John Wilson>Nothing ever lives forever, you know, everything changes. <v George Antiyeh>The people to blame for it, the people that are responsible for this

<v George Antiyeh>are not the people in Mill City. <v George Antiyeh>It's not even the mill owners or the logging company owners. <v George Antiyeh>They push the politicians to cut the forest as fast as possible. <v George Antiyeh>But the politicians were - and we're talking about the Oregon delegation, <v George Antiyeh>our congressmen - they are the stewards or the trustees <v George Antiyeh>of the trust, federal trust. <v George Antiyeh>And they ripped it off. <v George Antiyeh>They ripped it off. And they sold it cheap in order to further their own political <v George Antiyeh>careers. And to me, it's criminal. <v John Wilson>This is what she called a gob and dob method.

<v John Wilson>You do it like this.. <v John Wilson>Get a gob of pain on it, and then you kind of dob it in the hole. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?] Charge it into the Wilsons. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?] <v John Wilson's Wife>And therefore, John and I used to <v John Wilson's Wife>never get help from any of the people we knew. <v John Wilson's Wife>I can't say they were friends because they never helped. <v John Wilson's Wife>We were there for them. But here with the Puckett's, they're <v John Wilson's Wife>friends. Well, family, yes. <v John Wilson's Wife>You could just say we're one big family man. <v John Wilson's Wife>They're there for us. We're there for them. <v John Wilson's Wife>We did make a comment or statement <v John Wilson's Wife>or whatever. How many hunting trips are you behind? <v Woman>You know how many times has he left me and I stayed at home? <v John Wilson's Wife>Well, Lucky got his deer, I was glad because I said good now he's done this year.

<v Woman>So he goes and buys a bird tag. <v Woman>So he can go out and be with the boys anyway. <v Woman>Which is alright, then I get the house to myself. <v John Wilson's Wife>Yeah. That's what I don't understand. These women think they've got to. <v John Wilson's Wife>One thing is to be equal to the man. <v John Wilson's Wife>And I think it's so nice when they leave and go, off, honey, you know how she can clean <v John Wilson's Wife>things or not even get caught up on things <v John Wilson's Wife>that she would -. <v Woman>The whole deer issue. You cut it up and everything. <v John Wilson's Wife>Looks so much better, it looks bigger, makes the house look newer, that brown <v John Wilson's Wife>was really awful. I can't say what I really feel about that brown. <v Speaker>What would your ideal house be? <v John Wilson's Wife>Elegant two story, four <v John Wilson's Wife>bedroom kitchen that I can work in. <v John Wilson's Wife>I mean, doesn't look dirty when it's clean. <v John Wilson's Wife>I don't have to worry when the kids turn the water on in the sink, it doesn't run down

<v John Wilson's Wife>the counter onto the floor. Make a mess. <v John Wilson's Wife>Comfortable. <v John Wilson's Wife>I want an elegant formal living room, just small, my room, <v John Wilson's Wife>but I want a huge family room for my friends, my family. <v John Wilson's Wife>No carpet. So if we spill anything on it, just mop it up. <v John Wilson's Wife>But I'll have the family room before the living room because that's more important. <v John Wilson's Wife>Family. <v Speaker>Now, looking forward, looking ahead this morning, it looked like it was <v Speaker>about -. <v Speaker>Do you want some help? <v Charlie Stewart>No, I think I'll get this. If you'll get to scale. <v Speaker>OK, we've done it enough. <v Speaker>I guess it. What? <v Speaker>Steaks and chops may be perfect, special recipe. <v Speaker> <v Speaker>Just hold it there, you won't have any problem.

<v Speaker>It's heavy though. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?] <v Charlie Stewart>I think I have your order Tom. <v Charlie Stewart>We'll do ya a good job. <v Speaker>You bet. You always have. <v Speaker>Got it. Thanks, darling. <v Speaker>There you go. <v Charlie Stewart>I was raised in a family where we raised on a ranch <v Charlie Stewart>the first chicken and the first calf and the first egg, and the first beef, went <v Charlie Stewart>on our table. But we had surplus is what we sold. <v Charlie Stewart>So we took care of our table first. <v Charlie Stewart>And I think America should take care of its table first. <v Charlie Stewart>There are two points of view. Those that come to look and those that come to live. <v Charlie Stewart>And I'll admit whenever we log it does get cut up a little bit, but <v Charlie Stewart>it grows back.

<v Charlie Stewart>In other words, these people want us to stop manufacturing lumber. <v Charlie Stewart>And and growing and sand and look, there's just so long you can <v Charlie Stewart>look at a beautiful scene until you suddenly you have to have lunch. <v Charlie Stewart>That seems to get important, too. But I think we can have the beautiful scenery. <v Charlie Stewart>I think we can have the lunch. <v Charlie Stewart>I think we can have the house. <v Charlie Stewart>That's what I call the American dream. <v John Wilson>Yeah. I'd like to have a chicken sandwich in a basket and a fish sandwich <v John Wilson>in the basket. <v John Wilson>Coffee? <v Woman>Okay, would you like anything to drink? <v John Wilson> Yeah. Two coffees. <v John Wilson>Decaf. <v Woman>Will that be for here or to go? <v John Wilson>That'll be for here. <v John Wilson>Thank you. <v John Wilson's Wife>I don't know. I think that I'd want people to think I'd want the world to be right, but

<v John Wilson's Wife>no, I'd just like to have my own world right. <v John Wilson's Wife>Just mine. I guess, it's a little selfish, but <v John Wilson's Wife>we've struggled. John and I have struggled and I <v John Wilson's Wife>just feel like me and my family. <v John Wilson's Wife>I'm not too concerned with the rest of the world. <v John Wilson's Wife>It's - right now, this is my world. <v John Wilson's Wife>Take it away and I have nothing. <v John Wilson's Wife>And that's what's going to happen if they stop logging. <v John Wilson's Wife>My husband will have to find another line of work, <v John Wilson's Wife>which he can't. He drives truck. <v John Wilson's Wife>Doesn't matter what's in that trailer. He can get that product, whatever it is <v John Wilson's Wife>someplace. And he's done it. <v John Wilson's Wife>It's just I don't want to have to move someplace else. <v John Wilson's Wife>And that's we would have to or he would be long hauling, and that's all <v John Wilson's Wife>over the United States. And I could stay here with a family, <v John Wilson's Wife>but I don't want him gone for 10 days.

<v John Wilson's Wife>Two weeks. He's done it and I don't like it. <v George Antiyeh>OK, this is all National Forest right now. <v George Antiyeh>You can see they're hittin' it pretty hard. <v George Antiyeh>They've only been cutting in the national forest about 25 years, 20, 25 years. <v George Antiyeh>And when you look at it from that perspective and how much is gone, it

<v George Antiyeh>doesn't look like there is very much left. Whether we keep this going, when people say <v George Antiyeh>this will last another 10 years, I don't believe it. <v George Antiyeh>I think it'll maybe last five or seven years at the max. <v John Wilson>As you can see there's nothing real fresh out of here. <v John Wilson>But if you're a little bit further, you see a lot of real fresh tracks and stuff, but <v John Wilson>they've been through there. Darren got that big four point back right over there. <v John Wilson>Where? <v Speaker>Right there by that timber. <v John Wilson>Isn't that the knob you're talking about? <v Speaker>Yeah, that's a knob? <v John Wilson>That's normally where we go down the bottom on this side Lance goes, right? <v Speaker>Yeah. <v John Wilson>And him and I sit on that road.

<v John Wilson>Then you guys go around the back side and come down to that timber and then down to that <v John Wilson>real brushy stuff. <v Speaker>I kick two bucks out there, two guys last year and they got him. <v Woman>That's a visual that speaks for itself. That is a true visual with a - <v Woman>marijuana signs and -. <v Protestor>If you're going to arrest me, you better have some really good legal information. <v Cop>We have that. <v Protestor>And what legal boundary does this power line represent? <v Cop>I'm not here to debate that. <v Protestor>I'm not - this isn't a debate. This is legal question. <v Protestor>We're not going to say you're wrong. <v Protestor>I'd like to understand under one authority you're threatening to arrest me. <v Cop>This area is closed for the day. <v Protestor>What area? <v Protestor>But the power line -. <v Speaker>Looks like they're destryoing the rmarijuana fields. <v Speaker>They're going to go. And they're going to go backroads. <v Speaker>Or they're going to go around. <v Protestor>I'm gonna go hiking into the nation forest because <v Protestor>the national forests are open to us and that's where I'm going ot hike.

<v Speaker>Operation [?inaudible?] <v George Antiyeh>We're flying over warehouser land. Now it's one of the biggest tree harvesting companies <v George Antiyeh>in the Pacific Northwest. <v George Antiyeh>They call themselves the tree growing company. As you can see that they've decimated this <v George Antiyeh>entire valley. And this is what's going to happen to the National Forest if we don't <v George Antiyeh>stop. National Forest is not far behind. <v George Antiyeh>They're doing the same thing. The National Forest, what they did in the private lands are <v George Antiyeh>going to cut it off. <v Speaker>Do you see where he's at? <v John Wilson>No I can't see anything.

<v John Wilson>You couldn't see any antlers on it, I was about ready to squeeze off a shot too. <v Speaker>[Whistle blows] <v Protestor>Get your hands off my property. Unless you're going to arrest me, take your hands off my <v Protestor>property. <v Protestor>Let's go out here and talk about it. We'll talk about it here. <v Protestor>Why can't we talk about it here? I think I wanna hike along the highway here. <v Cop>OK. You go ahead. Go along the highway. <v Cop>Well, I'm asking you to please stay out of these area. <v Protestor>I'm just hiking <v Protestor>down the highway. I said, I'm hiking down the highway. <v Cop>Then get out on the highway and stay out of this area. <v Protestor>It's very dangerous on the highway. Those cars get hit. <v Protestor>I want to go in the woods. National Forests are open to the public, you know.

<v Speaker> Careful. <v Speaker>Don't hurt yourself. <v Speaker>[?inaudible?] [Overlapping chatter] <v Speaker>This was the low blow timber sale. And they told us it was across the street. <v Speaker>[Overlapping arguing] <v Speaker> I don't think they know exactly what you're talking about. <v Speaker>This sign faces the clearcut unit, low blow. <v George Antiyeh>You don't have to believe the environmental side. <v George Antiyeh>You don't have to believe the timber industry. <v George Antiyeh>Basically, if you get an airplane, you see what's going on. <v George Antiyeh>Then you can make up your mind how what the real problem is.

<v George Antiyeh>As far as I'm concerned, the real problem is not the spotted owl. <v George Antiyeh>It's not the preservationists or the environmentalists. <v George Antiyeh>It's the fact that we've got the entire forest - we're out up against the owl, we're up <v George Antiyeh>against the Pacific Ocean. And that's where the problem lies, that this problem <v George Antiyeh>that's facing Mill City and everybody else, this in Oregon right now. <v George Antiyeh>It's something that's the result of really bad management over <v George Antiyeh>the years, letting politicians manage the national forest. <v George Antiyeh>Now we're faced with paying the price. <v George Antiyeh>The day of reckoning, the politicians won't pay it. Mill City will pay it. <v George Antiyeh>And the people who care about this and the environment and the ecosystem here, they're <v George Antiyeh>also going to pay it. <v John Wilson's Wife>I think it's ones that want to take <v John Wilson's Wife>over. And that's what probably will eventually happen. <v John Wilson's Wife>But the majority of the people, the little people like me, not that <v John Wilson's Wife>I'm going to do it, but we're going to get so angry at our judges

<v John Wilson's Wife>and higher ups that we're going to go in and <v John Wilson's Wife>we're going to fight them. We're going to - it's going to be a mass murders of <v John Wilson's Wife>of officials. <v John Wilson's Wife>I just have this - I just this is what's going to happen. <v John Wilson's Wife>People are going get so angry that everything's being taken from 'em. <v John Wilson's Wife>It's not it's not going to be whites or blacks. <v John Wilson's Wife>It's everybody. They're all going together together and they're gonna just <v John Wilson's Wife>go in and I don't know if they'll - I imagine they're going to slaughter the <v John Wilson's Wife>judges and I don't know about the president. <v John Wilson's Wife>Maybe he'll be there. <v John Wilson>I think it would only be fair that we have to go back to livin' and <v John Wilson>givin up all of this country but to <v John Wilson>them that we had to go back to the same laws and the same way of livin' that we did

<v John Wilson>1850 and <v John Wilson>deal with 'em. <v John Wilson>Be fun. [Laughs] <v John Wilson>Frontier, yes. <v Man>Basically. <v John Wilson>They have gone so far as to advertise in the Earth First News <v John Wilson>that if you have AIDS, cancer, an incurable disease, <v John Wilson>they'll furnish you with a backpack full of explosives. <v John Wilson>And their suggestion is to go out as a martyr. <v John Wilson>Take a dam with you or take a bridge with ya. <v John Wilson>Yeah, this is the fun part, we'd like to just move up here, live up here, just like this. <v John Wilson>That's fine with us. Environmentalists want to go back to the olden days, then we will go <v John Wilson>back to the old days. <v John Wilson>Just give us both a plot of ground up here somewhere and some horses, couple of mules <v John Wilson>or something. [Coughs] I

<v John Wilson>don't know about you guys but that fire is getting hot. <v Cop>I'm a law enforcement officer with the U.S. <v Cop>Forest Service. This compound area in front of you is closed to the public. <v Cop>If you enter this area you may be subject to arrest. <v Speaker>[Whistle blows] <v Protestor>What are the boundary lines of the public area? <v Speaker>No, no, no. <v Protestor>What are the boundary lines of the closed area? <v Cop>We have a garage right up there and that's part of the compound. <v Cop>So you can't go any farther up, okay? <v Speaker>[Whistle blows] <v Cop>You're under arrest. Come with me.

<v Protestor>Why am I under arrest? I backed off. He told me where the compound was and I backed off. <v Protestor>He told me where the compound was and I backed off. He's only won where to go. <v Protestor>You're telling me the legal boundaries. <v Cop>I told you, you were on the compound. <v Protestor>How far are you going? <v Cop>Behind that wood right there. <v Speaker>Some <v Speaker>of those are referred to the public. <v Speaker>[Whistle blows repeatedly]. <v Speaker>[Attack dogs barking] <v Protestor>Oh, what? Why do you have to like - [?inaudible?] <v John Wilson's Wife>I wanted to travel.

<v John Wilson's Wife>I just thought it'd be so nice to just go and never <v John Wilson's Wife>stop when I was little. <v John Wilson's Wife>But I don't now. I've done too many moves from California to Oregon. <v John Wilson's Wife>I've done it twice. <v John Wilson's Wife>I don't care to go very far very much anymore. <v John Wilson's Wife>Even if the timber goes, I don't think <v John Wilson's Wife>I will sell my house here. <v John Wilson's Wife>I will keep it as long as I can and live here as long <v John Wilson's Wife>as I can. <v John Wilson's Wife>Even if that means John going out on the road again, I will stay here. <v Speaker>["Family Tree" by Michael Murphey plays]

<v Speaker> <v Speaker>Don't you understand? <v Speaker>[?inaudible? could have killed [?inaudible?]. <v Announcer>If you have a taste for death, don't miss Inspector Daglish on <v Announcer>mystery. <v Speaker>It's an unfortunate fact about murder that we do have to intrude into people's grief. <v Announcer>Then, from Evelyn Waugh, author of Brideshead Revisited, comes a master work of

<v Announcer>mistaken identity. Scoop. <v Speaker>You sending to [?inaudible?]? <v Speaker>How would you like to go to [?inaudible?]? <v Announcer>See what happens when a country gentleman finds himself in the wrong place at the <v Announcer>right time. <v Speaker>Such ghastly news about his [?inaudible?]. <v Speaker>Civil war is inevitable, I suppose. <v Speaker>Who is fighting who? <v Speaker>Tell me, your friend here, does he become more or less pugnacious with drink? <v Speaker>Oh, more I believe. <v Speaker>Very much more. <v Announcer>He's chasing more than headlines. <v Announcer>See Dan O'Malley, and make the best of a bad situation in this frontline farce, <v Announcer>Scoop. Next, follow the adventures, heartaches and the rites of passage <v Announcer>of World War Two flying aces in Piece of Cake. <v Speaker>Bit of a bright spot, isn't it?

<v Speaker>I think we're going to enjoy this war. <v Announcer>Meet the men of Hornet Squadron. Are they heroes or is it all just a game? <v Announcer>Piece of Cake marks the coming of age of young men prepared to die for their country. <v Speaker>I was impressed by your air display. <v Speaker>Piece of Cake. <v Announcer>And on the 200th anniversary of the French Revolution, Masterpiece Theater <v Announcer>presents the Dickens classic, A Tale of Two Cities. <v Announcer>As the flames and fury of rebellion swept across the land, there, <v Announcer>too, was a passion that could not be extinguished. <v Speaker>Remember always that there is a man who would give his life for you or for anyone they <v Speaker>love. <v Speaker>But to achieve the ultimate love, Sydney Carton must face <v Speaker>the ultimate sacrifice. <v Speaker>We'll journey together in our hearts. <v Speaker>Yes, we'll go together. <v Announcer>The scope and spectacle of the French Revolution unfolds as <v Announcer>Masterpiece Theater presents A Tale of Two Cities. <v Announcer>Turn us on this fall and leave us on.

<v Announcer>Support for tonights programing has been made possible in part by a grant from Norm <v Announcer>Thompson Outfitters, Portland's escape from the ordinary for apparel and gifts <v Announcer>at Northwest 18th and Thurmon and at the airport's main terminal. <v Announcer>Additional funding has been provided by you, the members of Oregon Public <v Announcer>Broadcasting. <v Announcer>Evening at Pops goes country with Nashville's favorite sisters. <v Announcer>The captivating Crystal Gayle and <v Announcer>the legendary Loretta Lynn. <v Announcer>Coal miner's daughters and country greats Loretta Lynn and Crystal Gayle.

<v Announcer>A downhome night of music and fun. <v Announcer>On the next Evening at Pops. <v Speaker>[Women sing "Rocky Top"] <v Announcer>Tonight at 9:00 here on OPB. <v Announcer>Funding for local broadcast of Washington Week in Review has been provided by Portland, <v Announcer>General Electric and the Energy Resources Center, bringing you new ideas <v Announcer>and energy use for business and industry. <v Speaker>[Synth music plays] <v Newscaster>For Pete Rose, it's strike three.

<v Newscaster>One of our stories tonight on Washington Week in Review. <v Announcer>Ford Motor Company. World - <v Newscaster>This Israeli action failed, however, to stop still more riots. <v Newscaster>Israel flew the four Palestinians into south Lebanon, gave them a quick medical <v Newscaster>check and 50 US dollars, which at first they refused, then they were told <v Newscaster>never come back. <v Newscaster>This is what the deportations were supposed to help stop - Palestinians protesting <v Newscaster>Israel's occupation. <v Newscaster>Instead, everyone's joining in. The deportations are a slap in the face to the <v Newscaster>United Nations, which condemned them. <v Newscaster>They came on the same day a top U.N. <v Newscaster>official finally visited a palace- <v Speaker>[Tape rewinds]