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<v Radio Host>"Song of the Flame" is a dramatic operetta with a Russian background, with book and <v Radio Host>lyrics by Otto Harbach and Oscar Hammerstein II. <v Radio Host>The score is a curious collaboration between George Gershwin and Herbert Stothart, <v Radio Host>later the celebrated musical director of Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer. <v Radio Host>In those days, Stothart was musical director for producer Arthur Hammerstein and <v Radio Host>was the frequent collaborated with composers like Vincent Youmans and Rudolf Friml when <v Radio Host>they were writing for Hammerstein. <v Radio Host>Although "Song of the Flame," Gershwin's only operetta is usually forgotten <v Radio Host>by most historians, it lives vividly in the memory of its leading lady, Tessa <v Radio Host>Kosta. <v Miles Kreuger>"Song of the Flame" fascinates me because uh when one thinks of Gershwin, one thinks <v Miles Kreuger>of a man concerned with jazzy rhythms and that sort of thing. <v Miles Kreuger>And "Song of the Flame" is really so very melodic. <v Tessa Kosta>Well, it was uh- is- he really considered it his masterpiece. <v Tessa Kosta>Because he said to me, I never shall forget when we headed out of town in Baltimore. <v Tessa Kosta>And uh- uh I said, "Well, George, are you pleased with what <v Tessa Kosta>you saw this afternoon?" And he said, "Oh, yes." He said, "I think
<v Tessa Kosta>my dream is coming true.". <v Tessa Kosta>Hm. But now there is a curious aspect of "Song of the Flame" that has <v Tessa Kosta>always intrigued me, and that is the fact that there is a credit of mu- uh for the <v Tessa Kosta>musical collaboration with Herbert Stothart, and of course, Stothart is a man who was <v Tessa Kosta>always involved in operettas. And I'm curious to know what you feel is the relationship <v Tessa Kosta>between the 2 and how they work. Do you think they actually influenced each other or did <v Tessa Kosta>they divide up the score, and Stothart do some and Gershwin do some. <v Tessa Kosta>Or did they work on the same songs, do you know? <v Tessa Kosta>I think they collaborated to a certain extent and I think Stothart <v Tessa Kosta>didn't like the ensembles and- and uh those things, rather than <v Tessa Kosta>the individual songs. <v Miles Kreuger>Did you tend to rehearse some with Stothart and some with Gershwin? <v Tessa Kosta>No. We- we um uh went through at least <v Tessa Kosta>I did with George to get uh- I think I <v Tessa Kosta>said, well I don't mind. He said, "I've got- I've got uh C's, high C's and stuff." And <v Tessa Kosta>I said, "Well, don't worry about that because I've got them, too!" [laughs].
<v Miles Kreuger>That's convenient. <v Tessa Kosta>But um uh Hammerstein had uh a lot of trouble with Stothart. <v Tessa Kosta>Stothart oh was a - excuse the expression - he was a devil, <v Tessa Kosta>really. <v Miles Kreuger>In what way? <v Tessa Kosta>Uh. A. Well, the thing is he had before I came into the picture <v Tessa Kosta>and not- not with my particular play, but other plays before <v Tessa Kosta>and even after, but mostly before, he'd <v Tessa Kosta>just ruin the singers. <v Tessa Kosta>And when I was engaged, I said to myself, I said, <v Tessa Kosta>I don't care what he does with his orchestra, I'm going to sing <v Tessa Kosta>the way I was taught to sing. <v Tessa Kosta>And I am not going to follow him or anything else. <v Tessa Kosta>He's going to follow me. I made that a point with myself. <v Miles Kreuger>In what way would he ruin the singers? <v Tessa Kosta>By featuring the orchestra. <v Miles Kreuger>Oh, it was an imbalance in other words. <v Tessa Kosta>Oh!
<v Miles Kreuger>I see. <v Tessa Kosta>He would have the brasses all over the place. <v Tessa Kosta>And it was just terrible. <v Tessa Kosta>Just awful. You would drown them out. <v Tessa Kosta>And 2 or 3 of the singers, previous years, had been just faded <v Tessa Kosta>out of the picture. They had got nodes on their chords and things like that by trying <v Tessa Kosta>to out-sing uh Herbert's uh orchestra. <v Miles Kreuger>Uh huh. <v Tessa Kosta>Well, I decided not to do that. <v Tessa Kosta>And so I just sang with ?the hand?. <v Tessa Kosta>Well, as a consequence, people in the fifth row couldn't hear me! <v Tessa Kosta>I got ?wind of that? and I told that to- to George and I- I really <v Tessa Kosta>got ?so? that I avoided Stothart. <v Tessa Kosta>I didn't want any argument with him anyway. <v Tessa Kosta>And then 1 day Hammerstein came down from <v Tessa Kosta>[inaudible] out front and he came backstage and he- he said, <v Tessa Kosta>"What the hell are you doing, Herbert? <v Tessa Kosta>If I can't hear Costa, I can't hear anybody!" <v Miles Kreuger>Hm.
<v Tessa Kosta>"Now you just muffle the brasses." Well, of course, he didn't <v Tessa Kosta>like that. So from that day on, he never spoke to me. <v Miles Kreuger>What was the Russian art-choir like? Well, they really were authentic Russians, weren't <v Miles Kreuger>they? <v Tessa Kosta>Just marvelous, beautiful voices. <v Tessa Kosta>Just wonderful. Really- well, they-they deserved. <v Tessa Kosta>And they did. They stopped the show every night. <v Miles Kreuger>They sang folk songs, didn't they? <v Tessa Kosta>Yes. ?and think?, but of course, the Russian ones, I mean, they didn't attempt to speak <v Tessa Kosta>English.[laughs]. <v Miles Kreuger>It's interesting that the lyrics were written by Otto Harbach and Oscar Hammerstein- <v Tessa Kosta>That's right. <v Miles Kreuger>At a time when Ira Gershwin was already writing with George. <v Tessa Kosta>Well, uh yes, but they had different viewpoints of that. <v Tessa Kosta>They think, well, anyway, it was- it was- it was very interesting. <v Tessa Kosta>And as a consequence, I went through the show and stayed to the bitter end, <v Tessa Kosta>and that was that. <v Radio Host>Here is Tessa Kosta with the Russian art-choir to sing the <v Radio Host>"Cossack Love Song.". <v Speaker>[Tessa Kosta sings "Cossack Love Song"]
<v Radio Host>Gertrude Lawrence was the embodiment of all that was glamorous in the 1920s.
<v Radio Host>For Ms. Lawrence, George and Ira Gershwin wrote two shows: "Oh, Kay!" in 1926 <v Radio Host>and "Treasure Girl" in 1928. <v Radio Host>From "Oh, Kay!" Gertrude Lawrence now sings three selections: "Someone to Watch <v Radio Host>Over Me," "Do, Do, Do," and "Maybe," joined on the last 2 by her London <v Radio Host>leading man, Harold French. <v Speaker>[Gertrude Lawrence sings "Someone to Watch Over Me"] <v Speaker>[Gertrude Lawrence and Harold French sing "Do, Do, Do"].
<v Speaker>[Gertrude Lawrence and Harold French sing "Maybe"].
<v Radio Host>From the 1926 score of "Oh, Kay!" we have just heard Gertrude Lawrence sing "Someone to
<v Radio Host>Watch Over Me," "Do, Do, Do," and "Maybe," with Harold French on the last 2 numbers. <v Radio Host>The 1927 musical "Funny Face" may have had book troubles, but its score marks <v Radio Host>a great improvement over "Lady Be Good" in both music and lyrics. <v Radio Host>Recorded in London the following year, here are Fred and Adele Astaire to sing the <v Radio Host>title song and "The Babbit and the Bromide.". <v Speaker>[Fred and Adele Astaire sing "Funny Face"].
<v Speaker>[Fred and Adele Astaire sing "Babbit and the Bromide"].
<v Radio Host>As brother and sister, the Astaires each required other players to appear as romantic <v Radio Host>companions. In London, Adele's beau in "Funny Face" was Bernard Clifton, <v Radio Host>with whom she now sings "S'wonderful." <v Speaker>[Adele Astaire and Bernard Clifton sing "S'wonderful"] <v Radio Host>In 1926 and again in 1928, George Gershwin visited Paris.
<v Radio Host>He returned to the states with the completed manuscript for his next concert piece, "An <v Radio Host>American in Paris." Walter Damrosch conducted the New <v Radio Host>York Philharmonic at the Carnegie Hall premiere on December 13th, 1928. <v Radio Host>Nathaniel Schilkret then arranged for its radio debut and on February 4th, <v Radio Host>1929, its recording by Victor. <v Radio Host>Although there is no piano passage and "An American in Paris," the composer is heard on <v Radio Host>this recording, briefly playing the celeste, not quite halfway through the work. <v Radio Host>Unlike later, more self-important versions of the piece, this original version bristles <v Radio Host>with the exuberant, jaunty, sprightlyness that George must have felt when setting out to <v Radio Host>compose it. This is the first complete recording of a Gershwin concert work <v Radio Host>and easily the most fully realized version of "An American in Paris" on records.
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Program
Gershwin at 80
Segment
Part 3
Producing Organization
KUSC (Radio station : Los Angeles, Calif.)
Contributing Organization
The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia (Athens, Georgia)
AAPB ID
cpb-aacip-526-930ns0mz33
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Program Description
"Gershwin at 80 is a special, four-hour tribute to the great American composer, George Gershwin, presented on the 80th anniversary of his birth. "This special broadcast features original-cast recordings by Fred and Adele Astaire, Gertrude Lawrence, Ethel Merman, Janet Gaynor, Al Jolson, Paul Whiteman and His Orchestra, Bobby Clark and Paul McCullough, Cliff Edwards, and many other stage and screen favorites. "There are interviews with many friends and associates of the composer: lyricists Irving Caesar and E. Y. Harburg; orchestrator Robert Russell Bennett; composer Kay Swift; director Rouben Mamoulian, who staged the original production of Porgy and Bess; and Tessa Kosta, who starred in Gershwin's only operetta, Song of the Flame. The special guest is the composer's sister, Frances Gershwin Godowsky. "George Gershwin himself is heard performing many selections, both classical and popular, on rare recordings made from piano rolls and phonograph records. "Miles Kreuger, the program's producer and host, is president and founder of The Institute of the American Musical, Inc."--1978 Peabody Awards entry form.
Broadcast Date
1978-09-26
Created Date
1978-09-26
Asset type
Program
Media type
Sound
Duration
00:27:45.120
Credits
Executive Producer: Kreuger, Mike
Host: Kreuger, Mike
Producing Organization: KUSC (Radio station : Los Angeles, Calif.)
Speaker: Bennett, Robert Russell
Speaker: Kosta, Tess
Speaker: Caesar, Irving
Speaker: Swift, Kay
Speaker: Godowsky, Frances Gershwin
Speaker: Harburg, E.Y.
Speaker: Mamoulian, Rouben
Writer: Kreuger, Mike
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The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia
Identifier: cpb-aacip-dad90dd14b7 (Filename)
Format: 1/4 inch audio cassette
Duration: 04:00:00
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Chicago: “Gershwin at 80; Part 3,” 1978-09-26, The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC, accessed August 3, 2025, http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-526-930ns0mz33.
MLA: “Gershwin at 80; Part 3.” 1978-09-26. The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Web. August 3, 2025. <http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-526-930ns0mz33>.
APA: Gershwin at 80; Part 3. Boston, MA: The Walter J. Brown Media Archives & Peabody Awards Collection at the University of Georgia, American Archive of Public Broadcasting (GBH and the Library of Congress), Boston, MA and Washington, DC. Retrieved from http://americanarchive.org/catalog/cpb-aacip-526-930ns0mz33