Life & Times; No. 159; Special Edition: After the Verdict; Part 1

<v Narrator>1965. For 6 days and nights, South Central Los Angeles burned. <v Narrator>Fueled by frustration, rage and economic despair, it was the first of many <v Narrator>riots to rock America's inner cities in the late 60s. <v Narrator>1992, Los Angeles 27 years later. <v Narrator>The verdict in the Rodney King case sparks what may be the most devastating urban riot in <v Narrator>this nation's history. Once again, people of all races are asking <v Narrator>what went wrong? How can we rebuild? <v Narrator>And where do we go from here? <v Narrator>This is our agenda for tonight. [helicopter whirring] <v Narrator #2>[music plays] This program is supported by a grant from the James Irvine Foundation, <v Narrator #2>which is dedicated to the development of an informed California citizenry. <v Hugh Hewitt>Good evening and welcome to a very special live 90 minute edition of Life and Times.

<v Hugh Hewitt>I'm Hugh Hewitt for my co-host, Patt Morrison, Ruben Martinez, welcome. <v Hugh Hewitt>We'd also like to welcome tonight joining us as a special assist, Mr. Jeffrey Kay, Los <v Hugh Hewitt>Angeles correspondent for the MacNeil Lair News Hour. <v Ruben Martinez>Los Angeles, faces perhaps of one of the most profound moments in its entire history. <v Ruben Martinez>Our city has undergone a tremendous upheaval. <v Ruben Martinez>And over the last week, we've been on a wild, macabre roller coaster ride. <v Ruben Martinez>From the images of fire, death and the militarization of our streets to the scenes of <v Ruben Martinez>Angelinos of all backgrounds coming together, cleaning up the devastated neighborhoods. <v Ruben Martinez>L.A.'s new reality will probably fall somewhere in between these two striking images. <v Ruben Martinez>We pray we don't go back to the former, but we can neither say that we can easily <v Ruben Martinez>return to the way things were before. <v Patt Morrison>A crisis of the magnitude of what we've just undergone demands the full attention and <v Patt Morrison>civic participation of every one of us. <v Patt Morrison>To that end, we've invited a cross-section of Los Angeles to join us tonight to consider <v Patt Morrison>what is our mutual future in this.

<v Patt Morrison>The guests we'll be hearing from our business people, neighborhood activists, elected <v Patt Morrison>officials, and in some cases, people whose lives were touched directly and sometimes <v Patt Morrison>violently by the events of the last five days. <v Patt Morrison>Acting as our facilitator, as we try to untangle and not cut through this Gordian knot <v Patt Morrison>of our own making is Jeffrey Kay. <v Patt Morrison>Jeffrey? <v Jeffrey Kay>Thank you, Pat. It's been uh quite a remarkable few days. <v Jeffrey Kay>And uh as anyone who's been out on the streets uh kin- kinda test. <v Jeffrey Kay>Seems that we've all witnessed on on television, but it takes one person to build <v Jeffrey Kay>to burn down a building. Many people to to rebuild and clean up. <v Jeffrey Kay>And there was some very hopeful signs over the weekend which we also all witnessed of of <v Jeffrey Kay>people coming together. And it's that in that spirit that we have this town hall meeting <v Jeffrey Kay>today, we have some very distinguished leaders in our community who can do their best, <v Jeffrey Kay>I'm sure, uh to to talk about what needs to be done, what the future <v Jeffrey Kay>holds, how communities can can come together. <v Jeffrey Kay>Uh but I first want to start with uh some very poignant scenes that that I <v Jeffrey Kay>witnessed uh recently and find out what's happening to some of the people who

<v Jeffrey Kay>were involved in them. Um let me start, Mr. Abel Olivares. <v Jeffrey Kay>You own a restaurant not far away from here, from KCET studios. <v Jeffrey Kay>I drove by I think it was Thursday night and saw your restaurant in flames <v Jeffrey Kay>with one man. It wasn't you, but one man, a bystander who just pulled over and got out a <v Jeffrey Kay>garden hose and tried to put out the flames. <v Jeffrey Kay>The restaurant's now been destroyed. <v Jeffrey Kay>What's happening t- to you and your business? <v Abel Olivares>Well, I've been 24, 27 years in that place. <v Abel Olivares>This is the first time and I really feel real <v Abel Olivares>bad because I got 27 employees in <v Abel Olivares>really this part of my life, that business. <v Abel Olivares>So I ?wanna see? <v Abel Olivares>how can we stop those things, you know. <v Jeffrey Kay>Are you gonna be able to rebuild it? <v Abel Olivares>Yes, I do. <v Jeffrey Kay>Do you have insurance? <v Abel Olivares>Yes, I have insurance. <v Jeffrey Kay>So what's your plan? <v Abel Olivares>My plan is to build that as soon as possible. <v Jeffrey Kay>Mr. Kim, you're also uh badly hurt in th- this uh conflagration. <v Jeffrey Kay>What's happening to your business?

<v Richard Kim>Well, um our store was uh <v Richard Kim>uh basically looted and burned down the 2nd day of the violence. <v Richard Kim>And uh while we're tryin' to, I guess uh, stop the looting <v Richard Kim>uh at that process uh my mother was shot in the leg. <v Richard Kim>And uh fortunately, it's not serious. <v Richard Kim>But um, well, soon afterwards, um the place was looted <v Richard Kim>and uh burned to the ground. <v Jeffrey Kay>What kind of a business is it? <v Richard Kim>It was um uh TV video appliance store. <v Richard Kim>[Jeffrey Kay: Mhmm] And uh the sad part is when I went back to see the damage, uh most of <v Richard Kim>the major appliances were still there, but badly burned. <v Richard Kim>I would have felt much better if they have taken it and it would've been put to some good <v Richard Kim>use. <v Richard Kim>Uh today, I contact all the manufacturers as well as insurance company. <v Richard Kim>And uh it seems that uh the insurance uh will only <v Richard Kim>cover about 50 percent of the damage at best. <v Richard Kim>And uh we had a family discussion because, <v Richard Kim>uh you know, this is a family business and we've been working at for working on for the

<v Richard Kim>past 18 years. And uh if the insurance will <v Richard Kim>cover at least 50 percent, we are planning to rebuild. <v Richard Kim>And another thing is our store in that area uh does employ 18 <v Richard Kim>people, of which uh about 8 are <v Richard Kim>uh, non-Asian. Hispanic. <v Richard Kim>And uh right now, we had to cut back about half that group because we can't <v Richard Kim>use them anymore. <v Jeffrey Kay>So it's be- really been a ripple effect. <v Jeffrey Kay>Um l-let's talk to some of the people involved in trying to rebuild and and get things <v Jeffrey Kay>back together, at least on a temporary process. We have someone here from the Small <v Jeffrey Kay>Business Administration, Oscar Wright. <v Oscar Wright>Yes. <v Jeffrey Kay>Uh what are the plans? I think uh $3 million will be available for Los Angeles, is that <v Jeffrey Kay>correct? <v Oscar Wright>It will be available the latter part of this week. <v Oscar Wright>We hope to have centers open in various uh areas of the community, probably Thursday or <v Oscar Wright>Friday of this week. Uh but we have a wide array of programs not only to assist small <v Oscar Wright>business people with up to 500,000 dollars per business, at low interest <v Oscar Wright>rate loans of 4 percent. We think financing is most critical, especially when you have

<v Oscar Wright>small businesses who need to provide uh goods and services and food products to a <v Oscar Wright>community that's uh, that you know, that's in need right now. <v Jeffrey Kay>[woman inaudibly speaking] Who is gonna be el- eligible for this 3,000,000? <v Oscar Wright>Uh, you've got a cross section, small businesses in general, uh but you also will have <v Oscar Wright>those who have lost personal property uh up to $20,000 dollars, homeowners up <v Oscar Wright>to 100,000 dollars, and those who have incurred physical as well as economic injury. <v Jeffrey Kay>3 million's not gonna go very far, is it? We're talking about hundreds of [Oscar Wright: <v Jeffrey Kay>I- I think] millions of dollars in debt. <v Oscar Wright>Well, I think the ?inaudible? about 600 million and 3 million is what we're getting per <v Oscar Wright>say. But I think there could be more funds available as this thing continues to mount. <v Oscar Wright>So I don't think you should look at the cap. <v Oscar Wright>We should look at how fast we can help those people like the gentleman behind me here to <v Oscar Wright>get restored [Patt Morrison: Jeffrey let me ask Mr. Wright a question] as quickly as possible. <v Jeffrey Kay>Huh. <v Patt Morrison>A lot of the businesses that were burned out were businesses that were holding on <v Patt Morrison>by their fingernails. If they were to go to a regular bank, they wouldn't qualify for the <v Patt Morrison>kinds of financing they're going to need to get built back up again. <v Patt Morrison>Is the SBA opening its arms to virtually anyone who has been burned out who needs this

<v Patt Morrison>kind of help? <v Oscar Wright>Yes. Yes, we are. We are the lender in this case and we are talking about 4 percent. <v Oscar Wright>We will process those applications at our centers and expedite. <v Oscar Wright>Uh if all goes well, and that is if the paperwork is <v Oscar Wright>on time, if the small businesses have at least provided us with that type of <v Oscar Wright>documentation that would make this expeditious, within 3 weeks uh from the opening <v Oscar Wright>of that center and the receipt of that application, we intend to roll funds into that <v Oscar Wright>community. <v Patt Morrison>?inaudible? And you don't turn people down for the most part? <v Oscar Wright>Oh no, we're gonna log in everyone who comes to us for requests and then sit down with <v Oscar Wright>that particular firm individually to decide to determine what their specific needs are. <v Oscar Wright>Uh we'll have to handle each one on a case by case basis, which is why we need those <v Oscar Wright>centers and the various communities expeditiously. <v Oscar Wright>And we're gonna do that this week. <v Jeffrey Kay>That's only one small part of uh of the equation. <v Jeffrey Kay>Now we have representatives here from city government, from state government. <v Jeffrey Kay>What are the plans, uh if any, that have been formulated by this city and by by the <v Jeffrey Kay>state? Mark Ridley-Thomas?

<v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Well, uh tomorrow um the council will have an opportunity to decide on <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>uh community redevelopment uh agency disaster funds in the amount <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>of 20 million dollars uh for those of project areas that are <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>surrounding and or in uh the areas that are hit by this disaster. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Uh in addition to that um, uh the work that we're doing with rebuilding L.A. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>is another uh city supported uh effort to quickly move <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>to uh help businesses get put back in the shape and restore those <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>communities. <v Jeffrey Kay>But that's more for the longer term, isn't it? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>No [Jeffrey Kay: Rebuild rebuiled]. No it isn't for the long term. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>We're we're starting up quickly with that. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>That nonprofit agency will be put in place o- over the next 30 days. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Money is already being committed and so it's not a long term undertaking that we're <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>talking about at all. <v Jeffrey Kay>Can we expect anything from the state legislature? <v Jeffrey Kay>Diane Watson's here someplace, Diane? <v Diane Watson>Well, as you know, Los Angeles has been already declared a disaster area. <v Diane Watson>[cough] And with that comes resources and funds.

<v Diane Watson>However, we're kind of strapped at the state level. <v Diane Watson>Uh also ah, the federal government has just declared this area a disaster <v Diane Watson>area. And so we will be getting federal relief. <v Diane Watson>And uh I know that uh Mr. Wright is a part of that uh process. <v Diane Watson>Uh on the community basis, uh just today, uh <v Diane Watson>American Savings Bank uh has given the first million dollars. <v Diane Watson>We have received calls into our uh relief center, right there on Crenshaw <v Diane Watson>and hundreds of thousands of dollars that people wanna just give. <v Diane Watson>They don't want it to go through a bureaucracy. <v Diane Watson>They want it to go to direct services. <v Diane Watson>We're trying to direct those services. So it's taking um all of <v Diane Watson>uh my staff and volunteers, but the response has been overwhelming. <v Diane Watson>And we're putting together an economic development plan that can be uh worked by <v Diane Watson>community people. We wanna keep this new planning at the community base. <v Jeffrey Kay>L- let's bring it down to the personal, the individual level uh. <v Jeffrey Kay>In my reporting uh yesterday, I I I met a woman ?of? <v Jeffrey Kay>Mrs. Timmins who was confined to her house.

<v Jeffrey Kay>She has uh had arthritis, couldn't get out uh or couldn't go very far. <v Jeffrey Kay>Um h- walk to the corner convenience store whenever she needed anything. <v Jeffrey Kay>That store has now burned down. <v Jeffrey Kay>Uh what's the f- she was able to get some free food handed out by one of the churches in <v Jeffrey Kay>the neighborhood. But what does her immediate future look like? <v Jeffrey Kay>Anyone wanna take that up? <v Jeffrey Kay>Juanita Tate. <v Juanita Tate>As a community activist in South Central, there are some some more <v Juanita Tate>im- immediate needs that I find in my community an- and all these other things come into <v Juanita Tate>place, but- I have people in my community who don't have Pampers, I <v Juanita Tate>have because ?none of the? stores are there. I have people in my community who <v Juanita Tate>got a check and can't cash that check [Jeffrey Kay: Because-] because there's no place to <v Juanita Tate>cash that check. So there needs to be some temporary type <v Juanita Tate>of bank mobiles or food places that are set up where people <v Juanita Tate>because for the first couple weeks, you'll probably get people to distribute food. <v Juanita Tate>But after that's gone, what happens?

<v Juanita Tate>So there needs to be some immedi- immediate things set up uh for the people in my <v Juanita Tate>community and and in the South Central community that will help alleviate some of that <v Juanita Tate>stress. Because once [pause] all these things are in planning <v Juanita Tate>process, most people don't understand what that process is. <v Juanita Tate>They don't understand 30 days. They understand immediate needs. <v Juanita Tate>And when I have babies coming to my door, askin' me where mothers, where can I get food <v Juanita Tate>for my babies? And First A.M.E. <v Juanita Tate>Church have set truckloads of food to our place and we've had to give out like <v Juanita Tate>6 Pampers at a time to get a mother through the night in hopes that the next <v Juanita Tate>truck load will come that will deliver more Pampers to help them get them through that. <v Jeffrey Kay>Alright. Where's the housebound mother gonna get the Pampers from? <v Jeffrey Kay>Anyone? <v Woman>We could talk about the center that um- [Jeffrey Kay: Wait wait wait!] Yeah, we have a <v Woman>center that uh will have Pampers and baby bottles and all the needs <v Woman>for a young child uh as of Wednesday. <v Woman>And so we'll see you Juanita after the show and tell ya how to access that. <v Patt Morrison>Jeffrey, let me ask Juanita a question, which I don't think has been much discussed.

<v Patt Morrison>After an earthquake schools off- c- offer offer counseling services for children, <v Patt Morrison>after the Persian Gulf War there were counseling service for the soldiers for <v Patt Morrison>post-traumatic stress. Is there in place or getting into place <v Patt Morrison>any kind of counseling service for the people in the areas that have been hit hardest <v Patt Morrison>by this? Someplace they can go, people they can talk to. <v Patt Morrison>Mr. Kim. Mr Olivares clearly have a lot on their chests and on their minds that they need <v Patt Morrison>to relieve themselves of. <v Juanita Tate>Well, right now as we speak in my office uh you know, there are 7 non-profits out <v Juanita Tate>in South Central that have been doing economic development and revitalization long before <v Juanita Tate>this happened. So some things are going to go forward uh even after this happened, <v Juanita Tate>which will be an immediate thing. But we have some young uh <v Juanita Tate>entrepreneurs that are in the non-profits now. And as we speak, they're in my office now <v Juanita Tate>talking about how they can bring some of the college students together and how they can <v Juanita Tate>bring people together just to have so people can have a place to sit down and talk. <v Juanita Tate>And we did that this week and we opened up our office and people just came in just to sit <v Juanita Tate>down and talk, because we have in our community we have a lot of undocumented immigrants

<v Juanita Tate>and they don't understand this. I mean, they th- you know, they have trouble making it on <v Juanita Tate>a day to day basis, but to have to go through this trauma is a real thing. <v Juanita Tate>So we're gonna need professional services of people to come help us walk them <v Juanita Tate>through what has happened and let them know that there is things on the way because they <v Juanita Tate>just don't understand waiting 30 or 40 days for things to happen. <v Ruben Martinez>You know Jeffrey- <v Jeffrey Kay>B- before we go on, I I need to make to c- correct myself uh. <v Jeffrey Kay>I did say that uh 3 million dollars has been made available by the SBA <v Jeffrey Kay>and it's it's 300 million dollars. <v Jeffrey Kay>There's a, that's a, there's a big difference. [laughter] So one of o-. <v Jeffrey Kay>That's right. One of the few mistakes I ever made. Alright, Rubén. <v Ruben Martinez>Jeffrey uh [inaudible chatter] [laughter] Juanita was mentioning, <v Ruben Martinez>of course, what what most of us know is that uh South Central and mixed communities, <v Ruben Martinez>Latino and black have been- we have Carlos Vaquerano who's sitting in at the end of the <v Ruben Martinez>first row, who's uh a representative ?inaudible?. <v Ruben Martinez>And I wanted to ask him a little bit about what's going on in Pico Union, which is the <v Ruben Martinez>mostly Salvadoran neighborhood. We've heard very little about that in the news.

<v Ruben Martinez>Uh, but I myself was down to Olympic and Blaine, where there's a big apartment building, <v Ruben Martinez>30 units. Uh, there musta be 150, 200 people there. <v Ruben Martinez>Probably a lot of you saw it on the TV. I went down there on Saturday and the Red Cross <v Ruben Martinez>had still not shown up that they didn't know where they were going to go, where they're <v Ruben Martinez>gonna get housing. Are there a lot of uh cases like that in uh the community? <v Carlos Vaquerano>Why definitely and uh does- I I think that we have a great concern about the fact <v Carlos Vaquerano>that our c- community's been going through a lot of uh difficulties <v Carlos Vaquerano>through the for the last 10 years. <v Carlos Vaquerano>And I'd like to emphasize that a lot of our communities come from countries at war. <v Carlos Vaquerano>We have a h- history of persecution, of um suffering, and we were <v Carlos Vaquerano>escaping from those countries. And an- here we are, you know, riots and uh <v Carlos Vaquerano>all these things. And it seems to us that uh if if <v Carlos Vaquerano>uh these things continue, uh you will and if they don't put pay attention to the <v Carlos Vaquerano>problems and ?socioeconomics? of our community, uh our community will <v Carlos Vaquerano>uh continue having this policy in the future. <v Carlos Vaquerano>But also, uh there is another problem, which is that ?thinks?

<v Carlos Vaquerano>a lot of our people are undocumented. <v Carlos Vaquerano>They also have uh a history of persecution by the ?INS? <v Carlos Vaquerano>in collaboration with the police. <v Carlos Vaquerano>Uh they they we just learned that a lot of the people from that area, including Mexicans, <v Carlos Vaquerano>have been arrested by the police ?or by INS?. <v Carlos Vaquerano>And there is no media coverage there. <v Carlos Vaquerano>We started cleaning out the area yesterday with the uh we working with the council, Mike <v Carlos Vaquerano>uh Mike Hernandez, and we are hoping to start uh painting the <v Carlos Vaquerano>area next week and- but that's not the the the cure for this problem. <v Carlos Vaquerano>We need the support for the future. <v Carlos Vaquerano>We need uh the state uh people, uh local uh <v Carlos Vaquerano>politicians to put more attention on the social and economic problems of this community. <v Carlos Vaquerano>So this ?inaudible? won't continue. <v Jeffrey Kay>Alright. Let's talk, i- if we can, about some of the communities uh th- that have been <v Jeffrey Kay>involved. We just discussed the Pico Union an- uh community, which uh which is <v Jeffrey Kay>Rubén says has not received a a lot of attention. <v Jeffrey Kay>But I think it's important that we understand, get some sense of of of the violence that

<v Jeffrey Kay>we saw and who was perpetrating this violence and the kind of rage that was <v Jeffrey Kay>going on that many people don't understand in a rage that's not gonna disappear <v Jeffrey Kay>overnight uh no matter how much we we we talk about healing. <v Jeffrey Kay>Um so let let's talk perhaps about some of the root carses- causes. <v Jeffrey Kay>Um, who was involved in the violence? <v Jeffrey Kay>Let me go all the way. Yes, Sal, you can help me out. <v Hector Salazar>Who was involved in the violence was um a large, section of [Patt Morrison: <v Hector Salazar>Who is this Jeffrey?] repressed young people. My name is Hector Salazar. <v Hector Salazar>I'm with the organization. <v Jeffrey Kay>Could you stand up so we can see you? <v Hector Salazar>Sure. My name is Hector Salazar. <v Hector Salazar>I'm with the organization for them. Who is involved in the violence was a large <v Hector Salazar>cross-section of youth. People of color, oppressed people. <v Hector Salazar>Uh, what this entire establishment that surrounds me needs to understand is that <v Hector Salazar>without justice, there will never be peace. <v Hector Salazar>Not for this city, not for this country and not for the world. <v Hector Salazar>That was a world response uh to this verdict. <v Hector Salazar>This criminal verdict. You wanna stop rebellions like this?

<v Hector Salazar>Then we need community control of police and not community policing. <v Hector Salazar>Community control of police means the community has the right to hire <v Hector Salazar>and fire all police. If a policeman knows that he's gonna be fired by the community, <v Hector Salazar>if if he uh i- conducts himself in a criminal manner, <v Hector Salazar>then he won't do that. Very simple. <v Jeffrey Kay>Uh ah- alright. Now is not the time. <v Jeffrey Kay>I don't think we're going to discuss and debate police issues. <v Jeffrey Kay>What I'm trying to find out um, we will move on to that, another time. <v Jeffrey Kay>Um I would like to find out from you as someone who is involved in <v Jeffrey Kay>this community about who- who are the people on the streets? <v Jeffrey Kay>Who are the people expressing the rage? <v Jeffrey Kay>And what can be done about it. <v Juanita Tate>It was a cross section of America of of of white, black, rich, <v Juanita Tate>poor. It was a cross section of everybody in the street. <v Juanita Tate>I mean, uh when I watched Channel Nine and Channel 7 had excellent coverage <v Juanita Tate>of who it was. I mean, when I when you look at my community, <v Juanita Tate>um we have a cross section of our Salvadoreans, Guatemalans, Central

<v Juanita Tate>Americans and in my community I mean there was a ?inaudible? <v Juanita Tate>there was a war between those cultural- there was a cultural war going on. <v Juanita Tate>You could see that happening within our community. <v Juanita Tate>And and then you looked at some of the other communities, I mean, in South Central, we <v Juanita Tate>didn't have any blond hair, blue eyes ride up in Mercedes Benz uh waiting for people <v Juanita Tate>to come out as they were looting. It was a cross-section of everybody. <v Juanita Tate>And today, more than ever, the middle class understands <v Juanita Tate>that they are underserved. So it was quite an oppression of people that was out <v Juanita Tate>there. When we have in South Central a 40 percent unemployment rate with <v Juanita Tate>black males and it only plays black males can get a job is in jail. <v Juanita Tate>Well, then I mean, those are the kind of pressures that make this kind of thing come <v Juanita Tate>forward. <v Patt Morrison>Let- let me ask any one of you who chooses to ask this. <v Patt Morrison>The city has been called one of the most segregated in America. <v Patt Morrison>Do you find the fact that the people who were expressing this rage came <v Patt Morrison>from virtually every ethnic section of the city? <v Patt Morrison>Do find it more disturbing or more reassuring?

<v Patt Morrison>What is it telling us about ourselves? <v Woman>It's more realistic than anything. <v Patt Morrison>Who do we have? <v Man>I I think that the- <v Patt Morrison>Jeffrey, I think- <v Jeffrey Kay>Richard Reid over here- <v Dick Riordan>I'm Dick Riordan, uh I think the verdict was merely not the cause of what happened, <v Dick Riordan>but something that triggered it. What happened is the growing <v Dick Riordan>uh uh fission between the haves and the have nots in this city. <v Dick Riordan>It's grown dramatically in the last 25 years since ?inaudible? <v Dick Riordan>and the have nots, which I think a lot of people call the underclass, are feeling very <v Dick Riordan>hopeless with with good reason. They've been poorly educated. <v Dick Riordan>Uh they've come from culturally uh disadvantaged families. <v Dick Riordan>They don't have the tools to compete in society. <v Dick Riordan>There aren't jobs for them and they have nothing to look forward to i- in life. <v Jeffrey Kay>W- what does what does culturally disadvantaged mean? <v Dick Riordan>It means that they came, for example, from single family uh households. <v Dick Riordan>Uh they were not taught the difference between different colors before they went to <v Dick Riordan>school. They don't know what a pair of scissors are.

<v Dick Riordan>These are kids that we have failed to give the tools to compete in this highly <v Dick Riordan>complex society. And what can you expect of them? <v Dick Riordan>And I think this is a result of that. <v Patt Morrison>Carlton Jenkins, I think, wanted to say something from the Founders Bank? <v Carlton Jenkins>Yeah I I I- ya know when you said segregated, I mean, I I wanted to simply a- and Dick <v Carlton Jenkins>stole some my thoughts, but the segregation is more of a class segregation than it is a <v Carlton Jenkins>color segregation. I mean-. <v Patt Morrison>Class is what dirtiest word in the political vocabulary- <v Carlton Jenkins>Well, and you say that as well, but that's the way it is. <v Carlton Jenkins>I mean, the reality was what you saw were people who felt disenfranchised from the <v Carlton Jenkins>system. That's who was out there doin' what they were doin'. <v Carlton Jenkins>I mean, that was their way of venting that frustration. <v Carlton Jenkins>It it unfortunately took the wrong tack. <v Carlton Jenkins>But the reality was it was just that growing disparity between those who have and those <v Carlton Jenkins>who have not, which caused all that. <v Carlton Jenkins>A- and the reaction was let's it's the all let's take from those who got it to give <v Carlton Jenkins>mentality. And unfortunately, it uh impacted the people the wrong way. <v Jeffrey Kay>We're talking a lot about the haves and the have nots, but there was also a lot of <v Jeffrey Kay>attention paid to the fact that uh Asian owned businesses, Latino owned businesses <v Jeffrey Kay>seem to be particularly targeted, uh what some people have called this a race

<v Jeffrey Kay>war. Was it a race war? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>B- b- b- but on that [Jeffrey Kay: Woah!], I think it has to be noted that while it is <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>true that a number of uh Asian uh businesses, Latino <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>business with African-American uh businesses were targeted, as well as historic <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>institutions in the life of the South Central uh community were literally <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>destroyed. And that should not be lost. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>And so it seems to me that that ought to inform our uh assertions as to whether or not <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>it was a race ?war? and so for some of us [Man: Jeffrey] ?inaudible? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>[Jeffrey Kay: Are you try-] indiscriminant. <v Jeffrey Kay>Are you, Mark Ridley Thomas, trying to avoid a key issue here? <v Jeffrey Kay>[Mark: No.] I mean, you drive down that. [Mark: No no.] Let me finish the question. <v Jeffrey Kay>You drive into the i- into the South Central community and you see signs all over the <v Jeffrey Kay>place that say black owned. <v Jeffrey Kay>That means don't target us. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Precisely. <v Jeffrey Kay>Does it mean target someone else? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>No, it doesn't mean that. It means don't target us and to suggest that it means something <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>else is incorrect. I would simply say to you this, that a- there are significant <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>uh African-American owned institutions, some of which were non-profits, some of which

<v Mark Ridley-Thomas>were for profit entities that have longstanding. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Aquarian Bookstore, one of the oldest African-American bookstores in the nation <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>burned to the ground. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Broadway Federal Savings and Loan, one of the premier African-American financial <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>institutions in this city gone. <v Jeffrey Kay>Mhmm. How do you explain it? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Well, that's the point. You can't explain it by saying it was uh [inaudible whispering] a <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>particular ethnic groups that were targeted. <v Patt Morrison>Jerry, you, behind you. <v Jeffrey Kay>Let me go to you. <v Patt Morrison>There you go. <v Jerry Yu>I think uh you guys have hit on this this topic. <v Jerry Yu>Everybody's been bringing up is it a racial thing or not? <v Jerry Yu>And uh if you look at the kinds of businesses that were burned and so on. <v Jerry Yu>OK. It just so happens that Korean-Americans are in the inner cities and own small <v Jerry Yu>businesses in large numbers. Whether it's in south central L.A. <v Jerry Yu>or in Korea Town and it's the inner city where most of the devastation took place. <v Jerry Yu>South central L.A. was where most of the damage was concentrated. <v Jerry Yu>And then the next hardest hit area was South Central. <v Jerry Yu>And so from both ends for uh ya know, for just because of those <v Jerry Yu>economic and practical reasons [inaudible whispering], Korean-Americans as as a group, as

<v Jerry Yu>one group, I think suffered the most from this from these series of incidents. <v Jerry Yu>And uh one other thing I wanted to say was that um, as far as uh getting into who was <v Jerry Yu>doing this rioting and so on, and is it it related to racial conflicts? <v Jerry Yu>Um, I mean, to me, I think this what happened here in L.A., this is a microcosm of what's <v Jerry Yu>happening here in America. <v Jerry Yu>Uh if you look at the... who was doing it in the communities that were hit. <v Jerry Yu>You're looking at the people who are the the bottom of the economic ladder and have been <v Jerry Yu>there for decades and generations. <v Ruben Martinez>Jeffrey? Jeffrey, I just wanted to make a point here. <v Ruben Martinez>I hope our viewers saw at home that when we brought up the racial question, a million <v Ruben Martinez>hands shot up at once. This is the thing that's on everybody's mind that's been talked <v Ruben Martinez>about, of course. And I just wanted to note that the language we use here, we already had <v Ruben Martinez>signs of the tensions. Uh Mr. Riordan, you use the word them [emphasized] when you talked <v Ruben Martinez>about the the the disadvantaged uh uh people that you were speaking about. <v Ruben Martinez>Uh uh the other night John Mack was on Nightline of the Urban League <v Ruben Martinez>and he talked about Korean-Americans being in America now should should learn how to <v Ruben Martinez>believe in America should be American. That's that would sound like coded language, I

<v Ruben Martinez>think, to some Korean-Americans- <v Jeffrey Kay>Let's give John Mack an opportunity, respond to that. <v Jeffrey Kay>Is that what you said, John Mack ?pretty openly?. <v John Mack>Um yes and and and the point that I was making and still uh will make this evening and uh <v John Mack>prior to this program had helped the discussion with one Korean-American panelist. <v John Mack>Point is that uh if you do business in <v John Mack>our community, in South Central Los Angeles or in any other part of this city. <v John Mack>See, let me back up for a moment. And and just to make sure that I'm clear and everybody <v John Mack>understands I'm coming from. One of the areas where there has been a tremendous amount <v John Mack>of discussion and debate back and forth between Korean-Americans and African-American <v John Mack>centers around uh ?rude treatment?, for example. <v John Mack>Uh, one of the complaints that I have constantly heard from people who live <v John Mack>in my community, people who are serve other Urban League, is that whenever they go into <v John Mack>stores owned by Korean American merchants, that some not all, <v John Mack>but some are rude toward them.

<v John Mack>Another issue centers around employment. <v John Mack>Uh the fact that uh they make their money in this community, but ?only how? <v John Mack>Korean-American ?inaudible? to a larger extent. <v John Mack>And it goes on and on. <v John Mack>Point is that if you don't have to speak English <v John Mack>to treat somebody courteously or to smile, the point is that we <v John Mack>can -we do have some cultural differences. <v John Mack>But the reality is that it's important that we understand each other. <v John Mack>And you and if you're a business person, you need to understand your customer base and <v John Mack>your marketplace. <v Jeffrey Kay>You've obviously raised a very sensitive issue. <v Jeffrey Kay>We- hold on, just one minute. I wanna come. I think it's important to Mr. Kim on this <v Jeffrey Kay>one. <v Richard Kim>Uh yes, um. I was a person having that uh conversation with uh <v Richard Kim>Mr. Mack. <v Richard Kim>Um basically uh, I would like to- before we began, um I think <v Richard Kim>we uh promised each other I would uh refer to all black Americans as Afro-Americans, and <v Richard Kim>he promised to call all Korean Americans Korean-Americans. <v Richard Kim>Before that, we started saying blacks vs.

<v Richard Kim>Koreans, which is not true, we're all Americans. <v Jeffrey Kay>But what about those perceptions- <v Richard Kim>Right. <v Jeffrey Kay>-Mr. Mac? <v Richard Kim>Uh well, we talked about that also. There are definitely cultural differences and it's- <v Richard Kim>there are cultural differences. It's not rude. <v Richard Kim>It may look rude because you don't know that what you're doing is not really rude in <v Richard Kim>their culture. And I was trying to explain that. <v Richard Kim>I think John Mack understands that. <v Richard Kim>But I think most the community may not. <v Richard Kim>For example, I grew up here, but uh I would seem like foreigner back <v Richard Kim>in Korea because I'm so forward. Uh for example, in a store it's uh <v Richard Kim>unruly for a pers- uh for a clerk to look at your eyes directly, it's eye contact is <v Richard Kim>is frowned upon in Korea. Uh whereas physical contact is frowned upon in Korea. <v Richard Kim>And most of the people are not overly friendly uh because it's the culture. <v Jeffrey Kay>Right. And that's your intellectual explanation for something that everyone understands. <v Jeffrey Kay>[Richard Kim: Absolutely.] But how do you get beyond that? And make and and and to some <v Jeffrey Kay>kind of reconciliation? <v Richard Kim>Well, I think what John said makes sense. <v Richard Kim>I think we do need to uh we do our Korean Americans <v Richard Kim>need to learn about the American culture and we do need to merge in some way.

<v Richard Kim>I think that's what America is all about. <v Richard Kim>[Man: Jeffrey] And that's what makes us different. [Man: ?inaudible?] However, one more <v Richard Kim>thing that I wanna say is uh actually I didn't wanna talk about this at first, what I do <v Richard Kim>wanna talk about was having experienced the violence firsthand. <v Richard Kim>I think uh I've realized, I'm not sure if anyone else realizes, there's two group <v Richard Kim>of people that were inflicting violence. <v Richard Kim>Uh the first day of violence on the 29th uh, I'm I keep getting the dates mixed up <v Richard Kim>because I haven't been sleeping too much lately. But on the first day of the violence, I <v Richard Kim>saw two groups of people. <v Richard Kim>One group was on Florence and nu- Normandie, creating <v Richard Kim>devastation and uh inflict- inflicting pain on uh innocent people. <v Richard Kim>Another group was at the Parker Center. <v Richard Kim>Ah- my heart reaches out as a victim. <v Richard Kim>It reaches out for those people uh demonstrating at Parker Center. <v Richard Kim>OK. Uh it's symbolic to uh overturn uh a guard shack <v Richard Kim>at Parker Center. I think it's symbolic, OK? <v Richard Kim>Not to burn- now on the other hand- <v Jeffrey Kay>With all due respect, we've got a lot of people here-

<v Hugh Hewitt>Jeffrey I'd like- [Jeffrey: ?I'd like to ask others to speak?] your point is the only <v Hugh Hewitt>person in the room who probably does not live in Los Angeles is the representative of the <v Hugh Hewitt>other world from Orange County and suburbia. <v Hugh Hewitt>To perhaps director Mike Davis, a question about the conversation, what that we are <v Hugh Hewitt>having here. Is this a conversation that all American cities are going to be having? <v Hugh Hewitt>Or is this a uniquely Los Angeles problem? <v Jeffrey Kay>Let me run over there. Author Mike. Mike Davis. <v Jeffrey Kay>And we'll get to others. <v Mike Davis>[clears throat] Course it's not, I mean, what we're seeing is something like the death of <v Mike Davis>the American big city thanks to 15 or 20 years of policies that have de-industrialized <v Mike Davis>and stripped away the the assets of our cities. <v Mike Davis>And what's happening is our big cities are being turned into a criminalized third world <v Mike Davis>nation. And I I guess I must say for myself that the principal lesson <v Mike Davis>of the country's first multiracial riot is you can build rebuild the stores. <v Mike Davis>But until you can deal with the pain and despair in the hearts of our children and change <v Mike Davis>that, we're not gonna change anything. And I have one simple proposal, which is the <v Mike Davis>president the United States said he's willing to keep the uh Army and Marines here as

<v Mike Davis>long as necessary. I think we should say to him, thank you very much. <v Mike Davis>You can have the Army and Marines back. Just give us the money to hire the children and <v Mike Davis>the unemployed kids in our community and let them rebuild their neighborhoods. <v Mike Davis>That would do far more good than 10000 Marines or soldiers in this city. <v Jeffrey Kay>Alright there've been some others who've been desperately trying to get a word in <v Jeffrey Kay>edgewise. <v Steve Downing>I think that the conversation should move on from something so specious [Patt Morrison: <v Steve Downing>Can you tell us who you are please?]. <v Jeffrey Kay>I'm sorry, this is Steve Downing, pardon me. <v Patt Morrison>Thank you. <v Steve Downing>I think it should move on from something so specious as who is courteous <v Steve Downing>when you go into a store. I don't care what store you go into in Los Angeles. <v Steve Downing>It depends on the organization and how the people are trained. <v Steve Downing>Some stores will be um courteous. <v Steve Downing>Some won't. I just v- visited the city of Vancouver and I found overall, <v Steve Downing>compared to Los Angeles, overall, there is a greater level of courtesy. <v Steve Downing>I don't think that has anything to do with this conversation. <v Jeffrey Kay>OK. Is that a- is that specious? <v Carlton Jenkins>[inaudible speaking] The comment I made uh uh I think it has a whole lot to do <v Carlton Jenkins>an- and it may seem small in some respects but it's not specious.

<v Carlton Jenkins>It's reality for the people who have fewer. <v Carlton Jenkins>They don't have as many options as maybe you and some other people have when <v Carlton Jenkins>they go shoppin'. People who are locked into the inner city, who are immobile, who are on <v Carlton Jenkins>fixed income, senior citizens, et cetera, et cetera, and people who have who <v Carlton Jenkins>find themselves with limited options as to where they can go and do business. <v Carlton Jenkins>And one of the things that at least is a goal <v Carlton Jenkins>for most people whom I know in business is that you treat your customers <v Carlton Jenkins>properly. What is the old adage the customer is always right. <v Carlton Jenkins>And then that [Jeffrey Kay: ?inaudible?] And and and and I would I would say if you <v Carlton Jenkins>believe in this country and believe in ca- capitalism, I would think you would believe <v Carlton Jenkins>with that basic and the basic adage. <v Steve Downing>I certainly agree with it, because if you don't treat your customers with courtesy <v Steve Downing>and they resent the service you deliver, they're not gonna do business with you. <v Steve Downing>And when you see the guy next door getting the business and you see his technique, <v Steve Downing>I think that that is a lesson [inaudible chatter].

<v Man>If you have the option- <v Woman>You've got to have the option- <v Steve Downing>You're missin' my point. <v Juanita Tate>You've got to have th- you've got to- it's about choices. <v Juanita Tate>As long as you have a choice, you can make that decision. <v Juanita Tate>When you don't have that choice it's just like being in bondage is just like slavery. <v Juanita Tate>In our community we don't have those choices. <v Juanita Tate>Right now you got to go 6 or 7 miles to a grocery store. <v Juanita Tate>But where you live, I bet you have a choice. You have a grocery store probably on every <v Juanita Tate>corner. It's a matter of choices. <v Jeffrey Kay>R- right. M- Mr. Manrique has been trying to get a word in edgewise for a long time. <v Victor Manrique>Thank you. <v Jeffrey Kay>Let's give him the opportunity-. <v Victor Manrique>On the question of whether it's a race-. <v Jeffrey Kay>From the Mexican-American political association. <v Victor Manrique>That's correct. On the question of whether it's a race or class issue, I believe it's <v Victor Manrique>both. I think initially started by the reaction against a very moronic vert- jury <v Victor Manrique>verdict. And it's sad because it may reflect a separation between the suburbs <v Victor Manrique>and the city. And I hope it's not a beginning of the abandonment of the cities by the <v Victor Manrique>suburbs. It's very important, I believe, to understand that it was <v Victor Manrique>a race issue initially, but it immediately spread into a class issue. <v Victor Manrique>There was an underclass and the Latino community unfortunately participated in a major

<v Victor Manrique>way in that uprising and that rebellion. <v Victor Manrique>And it's one of the important things I believe that one of the it is a in a sense, <v Victor Manrique>a referendum on 10 years of Republican rule that has created that <v Victor Manrique>has abandoned the basic issues of education, of health care, of decent <v Victor Manrique>and stable employment that created the basis for this trigger, in addition <v Victor Manrique>to a city government which was unwilling to support its police commission <v Victor Manrique>when it suspended Daryl Gates, the chief of police, that then deflected <v Victor Manrique>criticism at every turn. And is involved actively in opposing the only referendum <v Victor Manrique>on the ballot proposition enough t- to correct attempt to correct the situation. <v Victor Manrique>And the jury verdict was simply the trigger when the police come, when <v Victor Manrique>the police department cannot reform itself and the little hope is placed in in the court <v Victor Manrique>system. And when that court system failed, that was the trigger that ignited the <v Victor Manrique>underlying- <v Jeffrey Kay>Xavier Hermosillo you've been shaking your head throughout this ?inaudible? <v Jeffrey Kay>OK. I- I've got a lot of head shaking.

<v Xavier Hermosillo>You know, um uh uh I have to disagree uh w- with Mr. Manrique <v Xavier Hermosillo>because, you know, if you look at where the violence occurred in Los Angeles, it did not <v Xavier Hermosillo>occur at the sta- the established Latino communities of East L.A., the ?inaudible? <v Xavier Hermosillo>Valley. It did not occur in the harbor area in Wilmington. <v Xavier Hermosillo>It did not occur in ?inaudible?. Okay? <v Xavier Hermosillo>It occurred west of downtown and the Pico Union area. <v Xavier Hermosillo>The gentleman was talking about all the problems that that the immigrant community has <v Xavier Hermosillo>had. They come from war torn countries. <v Xavier Hermosillo>They don't have any any roots here to protect, to respond <v Xavier Hermosillo>to. They only have the area of hopelessness. <v Xavier Hermosillo>And when Mr. Ridely-Thomas talked about why did they burn down Broadway Federal Savings- <v Ruben Martinez>Mr. Hermosillo, Mr. Hermosillo, I just gotta ask you- I gotta I gotta butt in there, <v Ruben Martinez>gotta ask a question. Uh you're you're say- kinda talking about the Salvadoran community <v Ruben Martinez>?inaudible? being cast off and not being part of the large city [Hermosillo: It's an <v Ruben Martinez>immigrant community.] excuse me, Mr. Hermosillo. <v Ruben Martinez>The question to you is and to all the Latino leadership in this room today. <v Ruben Martinez>Where has Latino leadership voice been? <v Ruben Martinez>It uh you're correct. It wasn't East L.A. But isn't the the Salvadoran community in in <v Ruben Martinez>Los Angeles part of Latino [inaudible arguing].

<v Woman>Leadership-. <v Jeffrey Kay>Hold on. Hold on. <v Oscar Wright>I've got a comment to make. <v Jeffrey Kay>Go ahead. <v Oscar Wright>I'm really surprised that at's what's beginning to take place here. <v Jeffrey Kay>Why? <v Oscar Wright>You brought up the question of race. All of a sudden, bitterness. <v Oscar Wright>That's the same thing that we just went through. <v Oscar Wright>What we need to be talking about, how we need to be talking about is how do we take <v Oscar Wright>the indigenous diversities that we have and form a global community in Los <v Oscar Wright>Angeles that can compete in the 21st century. <v Oscar Wright>[Patt Morrison: It is not by trying to out-victimize each other] many of our communities, <v Oscar Wright>have something to contribute. The black community has something to contribute and has the <v Oscar Wright>Korean community has something to contribute and does. <v Oscar Wright>We can have a thriving business community here, but not if we sit here and try to rehash <v Oscar Wright>the 1968 Kerner Commission that was never completed. <v Oscar Wright>So if we're going to end up with another Kerner Commission from 1992. <v Oscar Wright>I'd rather leave right now. We gonna talk about rebuilding Los Angeles and working in the <v Oscar Wright>black community to create a small business infrastructure [Xavier Hermosillo: You cannot <v Oscar Wright>rebuild-]. <v Xavier Hermosillo>[Oscar inaudibly talking] Until you begin to address uh w- what occurred here. <v Xavier Hermosillo>You know, when Mr. Ridley-Thomas talks about, well, wait a minute, let me make my point. <v Xavier Hermosillo>When Mr. Thomas talks about bringing down the uh store and burning down Broadway Federal

<v Xavier Hermosillo>Savings. Who did that? Hoods did that. <v Xavier Hermosillo>I don't care what color they were. Hoods did that. <v Xavier Hermosillo>And Hoods had a significant portion of the of the blame for what occurred here in Los <v Xavier Hermosillo>Angeles. The trigger was the verdict. <v Xavier Hermosillo>There is hopelessness. But but what occurred was by hoods and the good <v Xavier Hermosillo>people stay at home in south L.A., in in the harbor, in the valley, in the ?inaudible? <v Xavier Hermosillo>valley. It was hoods, and I think we have to remember that there <v Xavier Hermosillo>were loads of all colors, but- <v Jeffrey Kay>All right, [inaudible talking] let's get a response to that [inaudible talking]. <v Patt Morrison>Antonia Hernandez of the Mexican-American Legal Defense and Education Fund is having <v Patt Morrison>blood drained out of her hand for wanting to say something. <v Antonia Hernandez>Yeah, I I tend to agree with Mr. Wright that, you know, if we sit <v Antonia Hernandez>here and put blame and put the finger and I tend to disagree with <v Antonia Hernandez>Mr. Hermosillo, we are as Latinos, you know, a community. <v Antonia Hernandez>And it was it was a class issue i- involving everybody. <v Antonia Hernandez>And we have to understand that when we talk about South Central Los Angeles, we're <v Antonia Hernandez>talking about a community that's African-American, that's Latino, and we have

<v Antonia Hernandez>to deal with the class issue. <v Antonia Hernandez>And for us to say we were the good guys and it was them, we're doing what the <v Antonia Hernandez>establishment and the white folks have done to us and we have to deal- <v Xavier Hermosillo>And don't be the apologist for those [Antonia Hernandez: I am not] people. <v Antonia Hernandez>Let me finish. <v Xavier Hermosillo>Yes you are. Yes you are. [Jeffrey Kay: W- w-] [Antonia Hernandez: Let me finish] You apologist. <v Xavier Hermosillo>And you don't represent the broad, diverse community. <v Patt Morrison>Mr. Hermosillo- [inaudible speaking] <v Jeffrey Kay>I'd like to keep this, if we can, o- on a rational human level. <v Jeffrey Kay>Um [disagreeing] a- and we are gonna talk about the future. <v Jeffrey Kay>But there are some very obvious God issues that we do need to address. <v Jeffrey Kay>And I'd like everyone to keep their tempers down as we go about trying to have <v Jeffrey Kay>a a rational discussion. <v Carlos Vaquerano>I'd just like to say that we are all trying to blame uh people who who <v Carlos Vaquerano>who did this damage we're trying to forget about the the fundamental problem of these of <v Carlos Vaquerano>what cause these problems [inaudible whispering] is the injustice, it's the the <v Carlos Vaquerano>system is there is we have a race uh races, uh

<v Carlos Vaquerano>ins- institutionalized uh uh system that don't care about. <v Carlos Vaquerano>You know, the black community, the Latino community. <v Carlos Vaquerano>And that's why we all work together in the streets, um because that's the <v Carlos Vaquerano>main problem. We've done, you know, who uh b- blaming this community, the black, the <v Carlos Vaquerano>Latinos. That's not the great problems, economic, social problems, social injustice. <v Carlos Vaquerano>And if we don't talk about those problems, the system it's it social problems that this <v Carlos Vaquerano>is a class problem. <v Jeffrey Kay>Alright. I think that's a good introduction to the next segment as we continue. <v Jeffrey Kay>OK. Yeah, well, we're gonna talk about Peter V. <v Jeffrey Kay>Uebberoth, who is known to most of people in Los Angeles as being the lead <v Jeffrey Kay>of the 1984 Olympics. <v Jeffrey Kay>He was also appointed by Governor Wilson, appointed to the Competitiveness Council. <v Jeffrey Kay>Uh he was appointed by Governor Pete Wilson, Mayor Tom Bradley to head the Rebuild L.A. <v Jeffrey Kay>Committee. He said he will be relying on financing mostly from the private sector to <v Jeffrey Kay>rebuild the devastated areas of Los Angeles. <v Jeffrey Kay>We have a clip of Mr. Ueberroth at a Saturday press conference.

<v Jeffrey Kay>Let's look at that now. <v Peter V. Ueberroth>The task is uh rebuilding the communities, rebuilding the physical structures right now. <v Peter V. Ueberroth>Kind of busting through red tape to get things going in community <v Peter V. Ueberroth>that's been suffered a great deal. <v Peter V. Ueberroth>Then at the same time to rebuild and make better the job base. <v Peter V. Ueberroth>To make the community stronger, make it a place that uh <v Peter V. Ueberroth>is a blueprint for inner cities in our country. <v Jeffrey Kay>Uh we have Harry ?inaudible? here is that right? <v Man>No. <v Woman>He's on the way. <v Jeffrey Kay>Oh, [chuckles] he's on the way. Let me go to you, Mr. Ridley Thomas, once again. <v Jeffrey Kay>You are one of those people pushing for for Ueberroth to be appointed uh in this <v Jeffrey Kay>position. What do you expect to happen? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Well, I expect to have uh a rather a a substantial amount of energy, <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>uh human uh capital as well as financial resources to rebuild L.A.. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Um, I'm not pushing for Ueberroth to be a blunder. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>He's already been asked to do it. He's accepted.

<v Mark Ridley-Thomas>And he's going about the business of setting up the uh setting up the nonprofit <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>organization uh to o- oversee uh substantial <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>uh cash infusion to deal within uh the the in- <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>uh insurance industry, breaking through the red lining that affects what goes on in South <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Central, dealing with banks that have neglected South Central and trying to make a <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>substantial statement. And I would say, Jeffrey, of the enthusiasm <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>from the corpus s- sector that has come forth within the last 48 hours has <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>been rather substantial. And the question is, how will we creatively capitalize on it? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>And I believe in the principles of economic justice, the indigenous participation of <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>those around the issues of empowerment. So this is not an overlay of Peter Ueberroth <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>as the great white hope coming to save us. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>But there is going to be involvement from the African-American community that will be <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>substantial, the Latino community, the Asian Pacific community, the Anglo community <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>all across the board to be involved in the rebuilding of these devastated areas. <v Patt Morrison>[Jeffrey Kay: ?inaudible?] Jeff, Jay Grodin, Jeff, Jay Grodin, who is uh Chief Gates

<v Patt Morrison>attorney, among other things, has been anxious to get into this. <v Jay Grodin>And I think that uh that Peter Ueberroth's uh charge uh really takes <v Jay Grodin>uh a few facets. Certainly there is what we'd call the capital facets, which is <v Jay Grodin>to rebuild the physical facilities that are lost. <v Jay Grodin>But I think uh that's gonna happen. <v Jay Grodin>It always does happen. There is money available. <v Jay Grodin>More importantly, we have to look at the human assets that are involved in <v Jay Grodin>a lot of what was discussed today uh brings forward. <v Jay Grodin>And I think Dick Riordan really said it very well, that we have a lot of people in this <v Jay Grodin>uh multi-cultural, racial and ethnic community that need to be brought <v Jay Grodin>into a system. When you don't bring people into a system, the result <v Jay Grodin>is hopelessness. Certainly lack of education. <v Jay Grodin>And when you have certain events that people feel helpless about, such as seeing <v Jay Grodin>a verdict, which you really don't even understand the process. <v Jay Grodin>You have lawlessness that results. <v Jay Grodin>And I think that over the years we have neglected this uh, terribly. <v Jay Grodin>It's everyone's fault. We shouldn't be pointing to any one group now, it's a collective

<v Jay Grodin>guilt and we find a scapegoats and we never really look to the core issue. <v Jeffrey Kay>L- let me ask you about a car issue. And let's l- let me address this to everyone here. <v Jeffrey Kay>Based on, again, another personal experience that I had in in interviewing o- one of the <v Jeffrey Kay>women I met out in South Los Angeles, uh uh again, a woman who was taking food <v Jeffrey Kay>to to many of her neighbors. Uh this is a lady who works at a foam rubber company <v Jeffrey Kay>in South Los Angeles. She's lucky enough to have one of the few factory jobs remaining in <v Jeffrey Kay>L.A. Um, this foam rubber company will be closing up in October. <v Jeffrey Kay>Why is it closing? Because it supplies General Motors and we all know what's happening <v Jeffrey Kay>to General Motors. Seems to me we're talking about s- some basic economic restructuring. <v Jeffrey Kay>Can we expect this from uh the uh the the the Rebuild uh Los Angeles Committee <v Jeffrey Kay>or do we have to go much more basic b- beyond that? <v Jeffrey Kay>Just joining us is uh is Harry Usher, who worked with uh Peter Ueberroth and still <v Jeffrey Kay>working with Peter Ueberroth on on uh Rebuild L.A.. <v Jeffrey Kay>Did you hear my question? You were coming in as I asked it [Harry: I didn't I'm sorry].

<v Jeffrey Kay>We're talkin' 'bout basic restructuring in Los Angeles, providing jobs for people. <v Jeffrey Kay>Uh, should people be looking to rebuild Los Angeles to provide needed jobs? <v Harry Usher>Well, certainly that's one of the purposes of uh Rebuild L.A.. <v Harry Usher>But if simply all it happens is what was there before gets rebuilt, <v Harry Usher>it's gonna be an insufficient effort, the effort of this committee. <v Harry Usher>And I think everybody in Los Angeles is to make changes which include <v Harry Usher>bringing industry down there, creating jobs, creating training opportunities, <v Harry Usher>making really a different paradigm, if you will, for what is an inner city <v Harry Usher>um urban environment. <v Jeffrey Kay>It sounds wonderful. How is it gonna happen and why should it happen? <v Harry Usher>It's gonna happen because I think people have finally woken up to the fact that we cannot <v Harry Usher>live in a society in which there is such disparity uh in which there is not <v Harry Usher>the education that lifts it up to compete globally as the United States and also <v Harry Usher>uh simply out of fairness and equity among all of the people that are living under one <v Harry Usher>planet.

<v Patt Morrison>Mr. Usher, you raise the question that a lot of us are asking ourselves, and uh it's <v Patt Morrison>it's a question that we ask when we see people from all over town going into South <v Patt Morrison>Central and pitching in. Is this sort of a summer vacation kind of friendship or <v Patt Morrison>is this going to be more substantial? <v Patt Morrison>And I know that Pastor Murray of the First A.M.E. <v Patt Morrison>Church, we were talking on life and times last week and we used the idea of build rather <v Patt Morrison>than rebuild, that the changes have to be more fundamental than structural. <v Patt Morrison>How do you get together with someone like Harry Usher and get across the fact that <v Patt Morrison>it wasn't that great to begin with? How far down do you have to tear it? <v Patt Morrison>And where do you start again? <v Cecil Murray>Yes, I had wondered the same myself. <v Cecil Murray>For instance, we may have to be rather revolutionary instead of wanting <v Cecil Murray>the conglomerates to come back to, say, South Central, perhaps we <v Cecil Murray>would want to encourage mom and pop industry, enabling industries, <v Cecil Murray>even a lot of cottage industry for persons who are beyond <v Cecil Murray>a certain age of entering into the labor pool. <v Cecil Murray>If we do that, we would have to do a lot of hand-holding.

<v Cecil Murray>There must be a central office which will help people get sophisticated <v Cecil Murray>and bookkeeping, help people get sophisticated in ordering and supply <v Cecil Murray>until they're able to stand on their feet. <v Jeffrey Kay>Lois Rice, you're with Wells Fargo Bank. <v Jeffrey Kay>[Patt Morrisson: Thank you. ?inaudible?] [laughter] Um obviously, many companies are gonna <v Jeffrey Kay>be looking towards the banks for for support. <v Jeffrey Kay>Is yours going to be able to provide the the uh assistance necessary to help in the <v Jeffrey Kay>rebuilding or the building effort, as uh Reverend Murray calls it? <v Lois Rice>Well, yes. First of all, we are right now, as we speak, um looking very <v Lois Rice>hard at um our customers that were hit in all of these areas that we've been talking <v Lois Rice>about, Koreatown, south central L.A. <v Lois Rice>and we have a ?multiple? multi-cultural uh population of customers. <v Lois Rice>And uh I think we reflect the communities that we serve. <v Lois Rice>And what we're trying to do as a as a company is to uh get to them quickly and <v Lois Rice>find out how we can help rebuild uh what was destroyed. <v Lois Rice>And I I think that uh that's the problem at hand right now.

<v Lois Rice>And I think all of the institutions are gonna step up and and uh and do their fair <v Lois Rice>share to do that. I think the more underlying problem is and what struck a chord <v Lois Rice>when uh when he just spoke was uh that we need to make <v Lois Rice>it simple for people to rebuild. <v Lois Rice>We need to get rid of the bureaucracy. <v Lois Rice>We need to try somehow. <v Lois Rice>And I I do have hope for u- for us to do this through Peter Ueberroth. <v Lois Rice>He's he's a proven commodity. He can do. <v Lois Rice>We know he can make things happen. <v Patt Morrison>Is he [man interjects] more than just a money magnet do you think? <v Lois Rice>Well, I can only speak for myself and and saying that um I think <v Lois Rice>he has the organizational skills with a lot of support from people here in this room of <v Lois Rice>all cultures to try to make this happen and try to get through this bureaucracy and help <v Lois Rice>rebuild this area that's been destroyed. <v Jeffrey Kay>But Miss Rice, we've all been through this before. <v Jeffrey Kay>Many of us remember 1965 for the uh McKown Commission, the Kerner <v Jeffrey Kay>Commission. There where there- where there was talk of rebuilding and the financial <v Jeffrey Kay>institutions doing more than they have been doing.

<v Jeffrey Kay>Why should anyone believe that now things will be different? <v Jeffrey Kay>?inaudible? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>You didn't have an entity and an engine in motion. <v Jeffrey Kay>What's the difference? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Well the difference is- <v Jeffrey Kay>What do you mean an engine in motion? <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>Well, the difference now is implementation rather than analyzing the problem. <v Mark Ridley-Thomas>We know what the deal is. We've got to get busy and do somethin'- <v Jeffrey Kay>With with all due respect co- uh [inaudible speaking] Mr. Bryant. <v John Bryant>This this this is not about uh, in my mind, a 100 million dollar redevelopment plan that <v John Bryant>never gets off the ground. This is not a this is not a fancy base, a a home run. <v John Bryant>This is this is a series of base hits. Mr. Ueberroth is one of those strategic hopefully <v John Bryant>one of those strategic bases. Let me make, let me make a point. <v John Bryant>I went down on on Friday on on Wednesday, I thought to myself, how can you expect people <v John Bryant>who are indifferent to your needs to look after your best interests? <v John Bryant>I went down to First A.M.E. Church in got and got involved. <v John Bryant>Then I started to ask myself, what can I do? I went back to my West L.A. <v John Bryant>office and this morning got 30 bank chairmen and presidents committed <v John Bryant>to go out tomorrow morning at 9:30 to look at [whispering] not again 20 million dollar <v John Bryant>projects, but how can we uh uh identify that pharmacy that burned down, that liquor store

<v John Bryant>that burned down, that cleaners that burned down, that was profitable before it burned <v John Bryant>down? What about the 250,000 dollar construction loan on that business? <v John Bryant>And to attack it strategically and focus and get as Mr. Ridley-Thomas said get the job <v John Bryant>done? This is not about analyzing it's a different world. <v Woman>That's right. <v Jeffrey Kay>John Mack. <v John Mack>Several people have made comments that I agree with. Let me just suggest that uh I think <v John Mack>there's several things that that are really important and this may get to the the heart <v John Mack>of of the matter. <v John Mack>I think that someone has indicated it's important that there be a <v John Mack>vehicle put in place and a strong, powerful moving force that is <v John Mack>going to create uh a climate in our city. <v John Mack>Now, we must our community, our city, our city across the board <v John Mack>at this point is a troubled city. <v John Mack>There are many people who are unsure about the future. <v John Mack>I think, first of all, we must develop an attitude and a mindset that <v John Mack>we can get this job done [Patt Morrisson: And live together] And that we must

<v John Mack>get the job done. May I just finish? <v John Mack>I I haven't quite finished the point. And maybe, maybe Peter Ueberroth, who has a <v John Mack>reputation of being a do-er, can lead that charge. <v John Mack>However, let me add this important qualification. <v John Mack>There was a great deal of concern on the part of a number of individuals certain in our <v John Mack>community that it is absolutely essential that this be a partnership proposition. <v John Mack>It is absolutely necessary that African-Americans, Latinos, Asians, <v John Mack>Korean-Americans across the board be participants at the policy level. <v John Mack>And whatever structures put in place at the management level, and will not be put in some <v John Mack>kind of advisory roles. But I think that if that happens- <v Jeffrey Kay>Again. [Mack speaking] Again, how realistic? <v Jeffrey Kay>How realistic? <v John Mack>Well, well Jeff-. <v Jeffrey Kay>L- let me let me finish again the thought. We've seen businesses leaving this community. <v Jeffrey Kay>Going to right to work states, taking factory jobs uh across the seas, <v Jeffrey Kay>going to Mexico. Is there any indication at all that these manufacturing <v Jeffrey Kay>jobs are coming back to Los Angeles? <v John Mack>Jeffrey just w- wait a minute. Peter Ueberroth just just completed one task, uh handed up

<v John Mack>this commission to state level. The governor appointed him to takin' a look at the <v John Mack>problem of businesses leaving California and all of the reasons why and came forth with <v John Mack>some recommendations recently that I'm sure will be considered very seriously by the <v John Mack>state legislature, the governor, and hopefully that's going to begin to address that <v John Mack>problem. But the other quick point is that it's gotta be more than just <v John Mack>?inaudible? convincing people to reinvest an' convincing white owned businesses <v John Mack>to set up shop and hire African-Americans. <v John Mack>In addition to that, there must be a very significant aspect that would include <v John Mack>ownership by African-Americans, by ?inaudible?- <v Patt Morrison>I would to hear from two people. I'd like to hear from Etha Robinson, who's a business <v Patt Morrison>owner. And I'd like to hear from Mr. Violante of the police protective league <v Patt Morrison>?innaudible? because you cannot build around all of our institutions. <v Patt Morrison>You can't build around the police department. <v Patt Morrison>They've got to be part of this as well. But Mrs. Robinson. <v Etha Robinson>Yes my name is Etha Robinson. I'm the owner of Mrs. Robinson's Teacake in the ?inaudible? <v Etha Robinson>Plaza. I'm a Mississippian. <v Etha Robinson>I'm a native Mississippian. Uh and I've been a school teacher for approximately 30 years. <v Etha Robinson>And I feel hopeless.

<v Etha Robinson>Uh one of the most difficult things for me has been to to start at my business. <v Etha Robinson>I gave a full time teaching to start developing my business. <v Etha Robinson>And the reason I'm sort of givin' that as a as a premise is to say that no one can heal <v Etha Robinson>me. I have to heal myself. <v Etha Robinson>We keep talking about the healing process. <v Etha Robinson>The only person who can heal a a drug addict is the drug addict. <v Etha Robinson>No one else can come in and heal me. <v Etha Robinson>I spent this weekend selling my products in Papa's grocery store because the mall <v Etha Robinson>was closed. No one has stopped. <v Etha Robinson>And I'm I'm a black business owner and I'm a black woman. <v Etha Robinson>So I think I can say it. <v Etha Robinson>There were more people in Papa's grocery in one day than had been there in all the years <v Etha Robinson>that I've attended her grocer- been to her grocery store. <v Etha Robinson>There was no one who prevented the blacks from the community going to her store. <v Etha Robinson>I think somewhere along the line we- I have to own my own problem. <v Etha Robinson>And I think as blacks we're gonna have to start owning some of our own problems. <v Etha Robinson>We I mean, during the Watts riot, who was the enemy?

<v Etha Robinson>It was the ?Jew?. I mean, there's always gonna be an enemy. <v Etha Robinson>It doesn't really matter who he is or what its name, what his name is. <v Etha Robinson>There's always going to be an enemy. <v Etha Robinson>Revolution is forever. It doesn't stop. <v Etha Robinson>And we can't think that it's ever going to stop. <v Etha Robinson>Revolution never stops. <v Etha Robinson>It's an endless process. And until we see that the struggle is continuous, <v Etha Robinson>we can not stop and go sit out. <v Etha Robinson>Middle-Class Black America became 20 dollars past broke and we left <v Etha Robinson>our community. We are the only people in the history of the world that left <v Etha Robinson>their economic base. No other race of people in the world left their own <v Etha Robinson>economic base. Why would you leave your own community? <v Etha Robinson>That's where your money is. We were the- we're the only people in history who's done <v Etha Robinson>that. So why c- why are we angry at the Koreans for filling a void? <v Etha Robinson>[Man: Jeffrey] Nature abhors the vacuum. <v Etha Robinson>Voids [Man: Ah-] are always going to be filled. <v Hugh Hewitt>We are now 60 Minutes, roughly 60 Minutes through a 90 minute show that is presently <v Hugh Hewitt>being edited by Bill Moyers for Bill Moyers Journal. <v Hugh Hewitt>And I think when he goes to edit, he is going to hear a number of conflicts coming

<v Hugh Hewitt>forward that have been in the newspapers and been on television. <v Hugh Hewitt>He's going to hear some hope from Harry Usher and the others that speak uh well of Peter <v Hugh Hewitt>Ueberroth. But what people are going to wonder on the minds of people looking at uh Los <v Hugh Hewitt>Angeles again, from the perspective, the ?unsung? outsider is after the National Guard <v Hugh Hewitt>leaves, what is this city going to be like? <v Hugh Hewitt>Is it secure? And will it stay that way? <v Hugh Hewitt>I'll direct that first to Councilman Zev Yaroslavsky and then to Terry, who's been <v Hugh Hewitt>waiting very patiently. What are the opportunities for this city to actually sell the <v Hugh Hewitt>idea that it's a secure place to do business and to come in to build a new community? <v Zev Yaroslavsky>Well, that's a this whole discussion has been very complex because we have we face a very <v Zev Yaroslavsky>complex set of issues. And I think the first thing we have to do is decide ourselves as <v Zev Yaroslavsky>individuals and as a community that we are going to make this work. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>Uh it's a confidence building exercise in ourselves. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>Let's face it, we have just suffered a horrible blow to our to our emotional state. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>Not just to mention our financial and economic state. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>So we have to be committed to making it work. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>And that means financial institutions are gonna have to make are gonna have to break the

<v Zev Yaroslavsky>mold, not remake it. They're gonna have to break the rules that they have been accustomed <v Zev Yaroslavsky>t- to working under. The insurance companies are gonna have to do the same. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>Without the cooperation of the private sector, financial community as well as government. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>But principally the financial community and the private sector. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>We will not uh get to first base. Once we begin to build a momentum and that's why I <v Zev Yaroslavsky>think the Peter Ueberroth appointment is a very positive uh step. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>Once we begin to build the momentum and build store by store, block by block, <v Zev Yaroslavsky>and people begin to not only talk confidence but believe confidently, <v Zev Yaroslavsky>then I think things will be, oh, we'll be in a position to deal with some of our more uh <v Zev Yaroslavsky>more fundamental problems. As far as police is concerned, look, we have uh we have much <v Zev Yaroslavsky>more complicated problems in this town than just our relations with the police. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>That is a very serious problem. But I think you've sensed uh some of the divisions that <v Zev Yaroslavsky>exist and they are real between communities in this city. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>And I would like to just since this may be my last shot uh tonight uh [laughter], I- I'd <v Zev Yaroslavsky>like to ?inaudible? uh uh I'd like to just say this. I- I think that that uh all of us,

<v Zev Yaroslavsky>uh we live in a city with 70, 80, 90 different cultures. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>All of us need to walk a mile in the other shoes. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>It is just as important for a police officer to be educated about Korean-American <v Zev Yaroslavsky>traditions, Korean traditions, uh Orthodox Jewish traditions, uh <v Zev Yaroslavsky>African-American traditions, as it is for him to learn how to fire a gun because knowing <v Zev Yaroslavsky>and understanding each other's traditions may one day prevent us from having to fire that <v Zev Yaroslavsky>gun. And in this city, if we're gonna live together over over the remainder of our lives <v Zev Yaroslavsky>and I plan to be here a while as the rest of us do, uh we've got to learn a little <v Zev Yaroslavsky>bit about each other and not be so insular. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>This is a segregated city in more ways than just racial. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>It is segregated in uh- we are very insular people. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>No city in America is as insular as Los Angeles. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>We can get away with that. We cannot allow that to continue. <v Zev Yaroslavsky>I think what happened in the last few days is in part a byproduct of that of that <v Zev Yaroslavsky>phenomena. <v Man>I- I'd like to-. <v Man>?inaudible? Right behind you, Jeff. <v Cecil Murray>?Jeffrey?, ?for information? Is there any master computer <v Cecil Murray>to our knowledge, anywhere that has all of this so that we can know <v Cecil Murray>the resources available, money, uh resources, facilities and

<v Cecil Murray>so forth. So we won't constantly be rediscovering the wheel. <v Terri Jones>I have the beginning of an answer to your question. <v Jeffrey Kay>Hold on let me get around. <v Patt Morrison>Terri Jones, you are with- <v Terri Jones>The California Community Foundation. And I spent a good chunk of my afternoon in a <v Terri Jones>meeting with more than- with representatives of more than two dozen other foundations <v Terri Jones>and corporations. Uh we convened ourselves rather hastily to try and figure out <v Terri Jones>what both short term relief needs were and also over the long haul, what we as <v Terri Jones>the funding community can do with, you know, with with our drop in the <v Terri Jones>local bucket to try and make conditions better. <v Terri Jones>Um and so I can I would like to offer an answer to Pastor Murray's question. <v Terri Jones>I'd also like to offer another comment. <v Terri Jones>Um the answer is that, of course, it'll take a while before we get all of that <v Terri Jones>information in one place. But what the funders committed to doing today was networking <v Terri Jones>among themselves and with city government and keeping in close contact. <v Terri Jones>And as we talk to community groups, which we are very committed to doing, <v Terri Jones>we will gather for ourselves and and also to put back out to

<v Terri Jones>the community groups, identified needs and identified resources. <v Terri Jones>Um that's a fairly simple thing for us to do, um eh but with a lot <v Terri Jones>of cooperation, that's one piece of the information puzzle. <v Terri Jones>And we see that as, as being central. <v Terri Jones>As funders- I'm sorry. Go ahead. <v Samuel Paz>Yeah. I- I- I- ?inaudible? <v Jeffrey Kay>-Pause the question. You seem skeptical. <v Samuel Paz>Yes. Because even even assuming we we we build, we get money. <v Samuel Paz>Uh are we changing the basic nature of the of the police community relations? <v Samuel Paz>Do we still have to live through another 27 years of police brutality before we got get <v Samuel Paz>back and burn it down again? Nobody's addressing that issue. <v Samuel Paz>And so what? We reconstruct and we still have a community, civic leaders that are <v Samuel Paz>afraid to prosecute police officers, a city- c- city government that continues to play <v Samuel Paz>pay up police judgements. <v Jeffrey Kay>W- can I- how many people really think that's the fundamental issue is that the <v Jeffrey Kay>fundamental issue of police community [inaudible shouting] or is it the economics- <v Patt Morrison>Jeffrey, behind you, Bill D Alone can address that from the police point of view. <v Jeffrey Kay>Let's go to the president of the Police Protective League. <v William Vidlante>Uh first of all, I think it's really important to to understand here that the police

<v William Vidlante>are not the enemy. I mean, we are we're parents, we're fathers, we're brothers, <v William Vidlante>we're sisters, we're you know, [Patt Morrison: Mothers] my parents we're mothers <v William Vidlante>[laughter] we're grandmothers, we're grandmothers. <v William Vidlante>I mean, we are we are part of the community. <v William Vidlante>And it's it's important to understand that. <v William Vidlante>And we have a job to do. One of the things that has to be understood is that we <v William Vidlante>we have to be included in what's going on in the community. <v William Vidlante>We had programs that were started years ago that were cut out by city government <v William Vidlante>where we weren't we we could not continue with those programs. <v William Vidlante>Those programs have to be reinstated. <v William Vidlante>There has to be the police involvement with the community. <v William Vidlante>Um one of the problems that we're facing there was we don't have sufficient training <v William Vidlante>programs on the Los Angeles Department. <v William Vidlante>We do not have sufficient cultural awareness training programs. <v William Vidlante>We do not have sufficient uh psychological retesting programs, stress reduction programs <v William Vidlante>for police officers. It took years before police officers that were involved in shootings <v William Vidlante>were able to even go to counseling after they had a shooting.

<v William Vidlante>They had to handle it on their own. These kinds of things are necessary. <v William Vidlante>My question is right back to all the other questions we're talking about here where is <v William Vidlante>the money gonna come from? [Jeffrey: Wait, wait] we are a un- understaffed police- <v William Vidlante>[Jeffrey: Mr. Vidlante-] <v Ruben Martinez>Mr. Vidlante, you talk about wanting to work in partnership with the community, yet the <v Ruben Martinez>Police Protective League is on record uh against uh Proposition F, which the Christopher <v Ruben Martinez>Commission, o- obviously, as a lot of recommendations that which which they the <v Ruben Martinez>Christopher Commission and the supporters of the Christopher Commission say would make a <v Ruben Martinez>better working relationship with the police and the community. <v Ruben Martinez>Why are you against it? <v Jeffrey Kay>Look, I don't think right- [video goes out]